So, in a manner of speaking; you want twin siblings, not married couple. You don't want them together, but you want them to work with one another as a unit. If I'm not mistaken.
I train with dual escrima, with Jar Kai as an inspiration for learning it in the first place. This has been one of the most helpful, and coolest, "double sword"-like video I have seen! Exactly what I've needed! Thank you!
2:46 Jedi Cosplayer just got his fingers lobbed off -He flinches in pain, potentially kneels or crouches away -skinny jones brings the saber down on this head /done
Using two full-length swords is something I've been working with recently within my own HEMA club and on my own time (having 15 years experience doing martial arts). Although historically dual-wielding (which wasn't very common at all, but there are some manuscripts from France and obviously scrolls from Japan, China, and then forms like Eskrima and such that use two weapons together), I find that -- if you have the coordination -- that using two full-length blades simultaneously in the way you've demonstrated is effective. Although these are very basic moves, there's a number of nice permutations you can do with a style like this. Parrying while lunging simultaneously, hybrid stances (such as sha no kamae and seigan no kamae with the sword close to the hip), and a number of other advantages. The disadvantages being less leverage around the strong of the blade if you're using something along the lines of a hand-and-a-half or katana (which, as I've stated earlier, has been described historically as being able to be wielded one-handed with a shorter blade) as well as issues with coordination. It's essentially using each sword in the same way you'd normally use a sword so the system doesn't fundamentally change, you just need to train yourself for the muscle memory. If we had the hypothetical of a real functioning lightsaber where all the weight is within the hilt, you sort of eliminate that first problem. I guess the only problem I have with this video is saying how you might sometimes find your blades crossed, which shouldn't ever really happen. The only time I could see it happening is with a heavier sword (like a montante) being swung at someone with two smaller blades where a parry with a single hand/ blade might not be effective, but with lightsabers, all the weapons are of the same relative weight, only varying slightly (and in fact inconsequentially) in the hilt.
Great video, thanks for the demonstration. I start to wonder why the Jedi used only one saber, that wasn't enough against Siths for exampel, and it 's always good to have a back-up saber, they ofted dropped theirs in the movies.
Different strengths & shortcomings, different preferences. as you can already from the speed Nonymous moves at, & how he mentions that you hafta constantly switch focus doing so, that already might prove to be too much work for some jedi in the battlefield. not everyone is an expert duelist & capable of be masters in all 6 forms after all (i'm leaving 7 as that's almost exclusive only to Mace Windu & darksiders). as for back-up sabers, you hafta remember that lightsabers are mass or even limited production tools--they're all one of a kind, & getting all the right shit together to build one ain't all that easy. the jedi don't go constructing one unless they need one.
Don't worry about the haters. It's all they are. Keep up these video's as they are great. And for those who say this isn't exercise then it's very clear they have never tried Kendo or any other sword fighting techniques. Stuff will wear you out. Too busy staying in mommy's basement being jealous of the people who can afford these awesome props. Its downright fun as hell. Guys like Dnjzzzz are just trolls. At least it makes them something in life...I guess...
KEEP IN MIND, the “x block” can be great for controlling the opponents saber. This can lead to launching the saber into the ground as you slide behind them for a swift and fatal blow.
Great advice for anyone looking to use dual weapons. These concepts are the same concepts used in escrima, which in advanced forms mainly dual wields medium-sized blades, and in kendo nito, Japanese dual blade styles
That's an interesting point of view! Hadn't even considered that. Have you looked into the Viking sword and shield style? It's...well, the shield is used to strike and batter as much as it is to block. Kinda similar, in the way you're mixing offense from the left and right sides.
Lunumbrus well, that a one way of seeing them. you'll find nearly all Viking swordsmanship is in fact made up by experts by "well, it works for this" being the principal of it. Vikings taught by demonstrating, we believe, and there are no "fight books" showing Viking style sword and shield fighting that I am aware of
Seems like dual sabers are best for defensive maneuvers and counterattacks, but not so much for an offensive style of combat. And I have practiced with a few saber types (not against any real people, unfortunately) so I can safely say that there's a distinct difference.
Although I’m filipino and would use two sabers for escrima, I’d rather use two for my japanese side: and use the niten ichi-ryu. The two sword technique used by Miyamoto Musashi.
The only shame is that we don't have actually a set of attack with the dual saber (as far as I can tell at least) they look like more counter than anything...
Think of Jar kai as this, it brings about a psychological aspect behind it that most do not think about when using it. Like the saber staff, it is hard for the average swordsman to keep track of the two attack points at once. So, say you're up against four people. Jar Kai itself is the art of two sabers and is usually mixed with one or two of the actual saber forms. In other words in order to fight off four people, mix shien for defense with ataru or even juyo for your attack. I personally prefer juyo/vapaad over ataru but that's my personal preference.
I'll discourage that. it's better to fall back to classic Soresu or Djem So as dual wielding is essentially very offensive, & with that, very tiring as it already is against even just 1 opponent. using the likes of Ataru & Shien is just too physically taxing & a very risky gamble. & by the way, Form VII in all its variants are superior to all the previous forms & i don't think anyone capable of Juyo/Vaapad would prefer anything else. it's the only form that is more a mental state thing than physical techniques, & furthermore, the only form allowing someone to move in a superhuman manner even by Jedi standards after all.
Viper 4115 as I understand it, you must be a magical space wizard in order to use ANY form. Additionally you must be a magical space wizard that is tapping into dark magical space wizard energy in order to use vaapad. I don’t think you’re a magical space wizard tapping into dark magical space wizard energy, so I don’t believe that you can use vaapad.
H,mmm... I always thought the purpose of dual-wielding sabers was for a tighter offensive that was hard to defend against. Chaining cuts and slashes together, THUS giving an opponent little time to react and effectively counterattack. But this was very informative!! Thank you!!
I've always been prone to having a slightly different view or idea than others when it comes to pretty much anything, choice of sword style and type included. Using a pair of roughly equivalent weapons is all well and fine, but in doing so I prefer to be somewhat more devious. If given the choice I'll prefer to wield paired weapons, but of different sizes, similarly to a daisho sword pair. The standard length weapon for my main-hand, and the shorter weapon (serving as shoto) for the offhand. While the use of unevenly sized weapons at the same time will generally be quite confusing for an opponent, it can go a step further than that yet, by treating each weapon as though they were entirely different not only in size but the style in which you wield them. The longer main weapon I would use as an épée, primarily used for stabbing or thrusting type strikes. The shorter offhand weapon would be used similarly to a wakizashi, taking care of slashing and blocking. The variation would be more or less easy to recognize after a short while, but that wouldn't really do much. It puts you in the position of being able to cover close and medium range entirely without issue, while the opponent finds disadvantage in either case. If they are using a short weapon, the longer reach of the main-hand makes getting in close very difficult, while the alternative of a long weapon makes up-close fighting difficult due to the broader arc the blade would need to transition.
yeah cause ashoka tano trew grevious of or anakin or obi or anyone she ever faced. or luke whith his pink saber wich he made to deflect a whip or somthing. its not a combo to trow people of.exar kun though now thats a fucked up light saber who trew one of the best dualist of their time of. he used a slightly larger then standardt hilt yet it whas able to go darth maul on you. a double sided saber in large normal hilt wich the second blade he could and did switch lenghts midst swing in battles.you want to be devious try that.
The daisho style has its advantages, but with a very obvious drawback--the roles of both blades are fixed. you can't use the short blade mainly for offense, & using the long blade mainly for defense is just dumb. despite technically wielding 2 blades, you're practically using a sword-and-shield pair. The kali style covers all the above-mentioned drawbacks, but at the cost of heavier mental stress & being more tiring (both of your weapons play 2 roles all the time after all). So yeah, in the end, it really comes to personal preferences & the question of which one suits you better.
Use them like the Rapier and Stilleto, the Shoto saber for parrying, and the full lenght saber for attacking. (This only really works with cross guards.
Krav Maga bursting is a principle that's applicable here, in tandem with FMA passing-in parries and three-step block-bind-strike patterns. Also, look into musical polyrhythm and djent. That music kind of embodies the unpredictable rhythm that DW wants to have IMO. Understand the music, and you understand the dance.
Good points here! Regardless of angles of attack, number of blades, ect, you always want your sequences to come out in odd signitures. See the video on why the Dancer boss in Dark Souls 3 causes so much rage because she mostly attackes in 6/8 while almost all the other bosses attack in 4/4
No tandem reverse-grip scenario seen. Jar Kai relies on lulling the opponent into misseng a blade switch. Also, no underhanded moves like hooking your adversary beneath his armpit, or ducking low to "pass the blade", and flip it back on once he's committed himself to a more.
you should check out sifu Doug Marcaida on this topic. Realistically, there is no telegraphing any moves at all, there would just be two blades hitting you at different angles, and you would only have time to deal with one, but of course this is meant to be more choreographed, simply because Jedi don't have to read an opponent, so a light saber duel is much faster paced than a real duel. I personally feel that jar kai would almost be better for a soresu approach simply because there is a wider range and a better chance of deflection, like eskrimas heaven and earth. useless in a duel, but would be awesome for deflection.
wow im norm pretty good at this form even tho i dont rlly know that much about it its good to have some insight on it now i can become a better dual light saber dullest then i previously was thx dudes
Swordsplay is fucking awesome! Certainly no more nerdy than video games, it's better for you, and everyone when I tell them I do swordsplay are like, "wowwww..." but then they see me twirling swords around doing tricks and they're like, "okay, okay that requires some skill..." Just because they use lightsabers for an added fun factor doesn't change that this is swordsplay! That guy could pick up any rod, stick, bat, you name it and fuck you up. You could pull a knife, he'd laugh! And so would I! Because you have literally no chance against a swords practitioner
I use two Brood Gaurd sabers from Ultrasabers.com Because of how the hilt is build, I hold them do the blade is downwards, along my arm, it helps since I tend to stay full defense and then I suddenly switch to full attack mode. Super easy to change how I'm holding it too, so I've learned to incorporate this into both of my styles.
The only possible use I could see for the double strike is as a grip breaker. Say your oppenent's using a one-handed form you think you see them struggling to grip their saber after an exchange, aim for the weak of their blade and strike two solid Sai's one after the other, you might knock their saber out of their hands. Even then it's not really a "double slash" more like same arc slashes.
I think using them at the same time would be the best defence cuz a plane would see it and be like "oh so that's where I land" u jump outta the way and unless your opponent is superman he's dead
Cool example, but in Filipino martial arts there are moves where you slash at the same time. It has lot of power, to where the sticks are close together, as if they were one.
but there is the notion that your both evenly matched meaning if our duel wielding, your strength is divided allowing for your opponent to divide your blades as well.
I had a question about the emitter windows. do you find it comfortable to use that choke point? I'm planning on getting those sabers and I thought the windows looked awesome but might be unfomfortable compared to not having windows.
This is cool, I was trained in kind of the same manner you guys do, I am actually re-teaching myself using these videos as well as my past training, meanwhile teaching a friend. What I want to know is, what are these sabers you have called, also where can you get them? They look perfect for sparring and I need a pair. Price range?
Using both swords at once adds power.... is this guy a real sword fighter? It’s a known fact dual swords provide better defense but need both hands combined for power. Using both in a direction is perfectly sound. You’d have to be completely incompetent to be pushed off balance engaging with both swords. Powers not necessary really for savers but if crashing guards it is. You can push someone’s sword into them. That’s crazy thinking not to use both swords at once. It’s called combinations. Mix so your enemy thinks you’re going solely for power. My god. In a way I’m glad he’s training people improperly so that dummies don’t go out n play samurai in the streets.
Basically same concept as Miyamoto Musashi. I don't mean to be rude, but unless he is a legit instructor of Kendo, Kenjutsu, Iaido or Iaijutsu, I wouldn't take too much to heart. Watching this should be in fun and not to be taken literally. Learn a real discipline instead and just use lightsabers instead of a katana. I only say this because a kid at my college thought he was a jedi and swung around a katana claiming to know how to use it because he is a Jedi and he nearly bleed out because he sliced his thigh open. I am an instructor in the martial arts and they definitely are not toys. Be careful guys. I am a huge starwars fan too, so don't think I'm dissing it!
+Christiano Freebourn No worries. We are all Martial artists as well. But these techniques are not directly from Mushashi. They are mostly from double weapons like Chinese dao and sticks. So these are not based on the katana but hilt weapons that are more one handed in variety. But we do have a few practitioners of Kendo, Kenjsutsu, and Iaido in our ranks. Most of these concepts are pretty universal between styles. DN
with light saber like this you can actually make things up with simple basic because every part of the sword is an edge so no actual techique needed just practice and the basic can be derived from some martial art and weapon use
+David Beck 1. There actually is a lot of dual wielding of weapons across many martial arts. Escrima for one big one, Chinese weapons like sabers and hooks are also often paired. Many indian sabers and clubs are paired. Rapier and dagger systems are dual wielding. Two long swords maybe not, but I bet it did happen. But there are plenty of examples of using two weapon at the same time. 2. This is lightsabers. They do dual wielding in the games and comics so people want to do it. As such, We offer the more down to earth and workable approach based on actual two weapon systems. 3. These are shorter sabers to account for the two weapons. Two long weapons would definitely be unwieldy. 4. I state all the time that dual wielding is not my favorite thing to do, nor does it give one a huge advantage. It is actually better left to people who know what they are doing a bit as the coordination can be confusing to the inexperienced in free play. Happy sabering! DN
+David Beck Duel wielding swords would be pretty damn effective for a sword that can cut instantly through human flesh with no resistance. The opponent can't dodge everything, and you're most likey to get hit first if you're fighting a duel wielded sabre user. That being said, Darth Mauls design is flawed and would get you killed fast if it was real life.
the main reason for that is transportation, it is easier to carry one sword that to carry two swords, also swords were made for two handed use, not for dual wielding. Lightsabers are different because they are lighter (weight), and easier to control,then trying to control two fairly heavy blades. also swords have a sheath, you need to take them out of the sheath. pulling one sword from one side with two hands is easier than pulling two swords out of two sheaths, with one hand per.
got as far as "use them seperately but dont use them seperately" and "dont do this block but this is all the ways you do it", continued searching for someone who knows what theyre talking about..
+ThatchyStorm 36 Doubtful otherwise he would know "dual wielding" two swords doesn't really work in an actual fight. There is a very good reason why when people's lives actually depended on being able to use a sword using two at the same time was pretty much never done anywhere in the world. In this situation of course it's easy to make any crap techniques look good against a very compliant assistant who never tries to actually fight back.
+Savvy Kapam (SavageMinecrafter) If you consider this exercise I feel sorry for you. And I'm sure talking about fictional swords in a fictional world really helps you turn into a socialite.
***** Martial arts is the equivalent for martial arts today, the hell are you on about lol. This has no value and cannot defend you if you were to be attacked in any situation "in todays society".
Sully Sullivan you do realize he has devoted his life to martial arts, and sword fighting. He uses lightsaber as a means to teach sword fighting to those who otherwise would not be interested.
