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1796 Light Cavalry SABRE vs KATANA 

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Battle of the big cutters! Two of the most famous monstrous cutting swords face off against one another. Both of these swords are exact reproductions oft he swords they represent in terms of size, weight, handling and balance. Both are made by Black Fencer (Spain). Rick is using the sabre & Nick with Katana.

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@heirihunziker
@heirihunziker Год назад
Aside from the detailed gear reviews and historical background infos, the mixed weapons sparring is my favourite type of content. It really helps to get a rough idea about how those specific training blades perform in action. Very useful for making decions about what blades to buy next. The only thing I'd love to see in addition to what's already being shared is some close up shots of the blade edges after they've seen a fair bit of use so we can get a sense of the durability and price-performance ratio.
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing Год назад
Glad you are enjoying it. Long term equipment reviews is something we will be working on a lot in the coming weeks, I'll try and get some close up shots in to these.
@Kumofan
@Kumofan Год назад
@@AcademyofHistoricalFencing Guessing Thokks since many of your members seem to use them…? I have to assume the QC issues and weak backplate were overblown by the community, but I’d love to hear your take on all that.
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing Год назад
We have almost 30 pairs of the Thokk gloves in our clubs and some of us are 300-400 sparring bouts into using them. The backplate issue was fixed very early on, just before our order shipped, and so we have the new version which hasn't broken any. QC has been excellent and they are by far the best five finger HEMA gloves we have ever seen. Full review coming soon
@Kumofan
@Kumofan Год назад
@@AcademyofHistoricalFencing that’s great to hear! I look forward to the review :)
@SellSwordSinnix-vr6xi
@SellSwordSinnix-vr6xi Год назад
I love mixed weapon training being on either side of being over powered or making best with what you have.
@hadesdogs4366
@hadesdogs4366 Год назад
The saber is an unsung classic
@erichusayn
@erichusayn Год назад
That one was really action packed. Thanks for sharing. Was cool to see 2 of my favorite sword types going head to head.
@nemotheblademaster791
@nemotheblademaster791 Год назад
Speaking from a ranked Japanese Sword Fighting & HEMA background, that was probably one of the best performances of katana steel sparring I’ve seen from a fighter that seems predominantly HEMA trained; my compliments! Really working the Katana to its key strengths here; fighting primarily from center guard, really well executed counter-cuts to stay defended, brilliantly using various deflecting parries that *do feature* in many Japanese sword styles, and the footwork was not that bad. It seems from this fight alone like *there’s some formal Japanese sword style training going on*, if that intuition’s correct definitely keep it up!
@nickaschenbecker9882
@nickaschenbecker9882 Год назад
Did you see those two wrist strikes? Itto school. 100%.
@elchjol2777
@elchjol2777 Год назад
The grapple seemed interesting but risky. The katana user got what looked like a stab to the collarbone of the saber user but received a slash at the waist level,a killing blow for a probably non lethal injury but still seems risky. Mind sharing any thoughts on grappling in katana combat?
@nickaschenbecker9882
@nickaschenbecker9882 Год назад
@@elchjol2777 under normal circumstances, the katana would've been dropped and a wakizashi if not a tanto would've been drawn. The blade is shorter, faster, easier to get into the opponent's circle of defense when at bad breath distances like that and it would've left his offhand free to grab the wrist of his opponent to prevent that cut to the abdomen he received. And I wouldn't discount the lethality of that abdomen wound-in the days of dueling, before fencers started disinfecting their blades before settling the matter of transgression, a 2" deep cut was said to be a death sentence. It would've been weeks (if not a month) of sepsis, agony and a putrid wound before blood poisoning finally did you in!
@elchjol2777
@elchjol2777 Год назад
@@nickaschenbecker9882 Oh so a delayed mutual kill,thanks for the info
@davidcraft4644
@davidcraft4644 Год назад
Shame you can't say the same about their use of sabers, which is even more sad when you consider this isn't a Japanese martial arts club but a hema club. If they wanted to show the saber properly the guy with the saber should also be using either a dagger or buckler in his off hand. Then you'd really see how effective sabers are. As is though they're just putting out misinformation cause this isn't what a duel between a saber user and a katana user would look like.
@Tax_Collector01
@Tax_Collector01 Год назад
I find it especially interesting how in the majority of saber fencing, the medium guard is not recommended because of how vulnerable it is…yet, katana wielders’ standard guard is basically the medium guard. I was expecting the saber fencer to exploit this, but I didn’t really see it being utilized.
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing Год назад
The medium guard is used so much for katana because of the two handed grip, is suits it most in terms of body mechanics, but it is more than that. The two handed grip's advantage is in it's leverage, allowing extremely fast twtich responses. This makes it very dangerous for the sabre to go near that area as it is where the sabre will mostly likely get bound up. This is the same in rapier vs longsword for example. It's also a little hard for the type of sabre used here to exploit that way due to its immsense forward mass, it just can't do those quick snipes at a guard position very well at all.
@nickaschenbecker9882
@nickaschenbecker9882 Год назад
@Liminal as well as what school the wielder studied. I'd like to see a Jigen Ryu practitioner in dragonfly stance against a Western sabre.
@slowpokebr549
@slowpokebr549 7 месяцев назад
seems to me that without gauntlets, the Katana wielder's hands would quickly become mincemeat. Going back and watching it several times, he took a lot of cuts to the hand and forearm, especially when the action got heated.
@mrsmartypants4541
@mrsmartypants4541 Месяц назад
Katanas were more an ornamental sword than a fencing one. The tsuba is a poor excuse for a handguard because unlike with sabers, the idea was that the katana is a weapon of last resort, so if you're forced to use it, you're probably going against spears, halberds or heavy blades, in which case a handguard wouldn' make much of a difference. It's the same reason you're not gonna put a handguard on a knife. Sabers on the other hand were very practical swords, so much so that they were adopted as swords of choice by many countries up to WW2. If you run out of lances (hussars usually carried up to 3 and could resupply during the fallback manouvers), then you just switch to your saber and are still going to do serious damage. The blade is heavy enough to be able to cleave and bludgeon light armor but well balanced and agile enough for one handing. So basically weapon that expects to be used - handguard, Weapon that's a last resort - no handguard.
@user-nq2oz8tf2l
@user-nq2oz8tf2l Месяц назад
@@mrsmartypants4541 Not ornamental, unobtrusive which is in line with many cavalry swords like the Cossack sabers and Chinese sabers used in similar periods. They all lack handguards or large crossguards because often the rider is armored. The samurai was firing his bow a majority of the time from horseback, then engaging with his lance or naginata on the battlefield. Meanwhile later European sabers are being used during the era of pike and shot by dedicated cavalry both light and heavy who are being ordered to attack at specific gaps or moments in the battle. In that case their sabers are generally their primary weapons so the handguards make sense. They aren't juggling a huge bow or they've discarded their lances.
@RUPEETRADER
@RUPEETRADER Месяц назад
Even sabre wielder arms will also be detached real quick if there were no gauntlet, it doesn't only apply to katana, it is always European soldiers who wear gauntlet, or else they will be handicapped real quick
@dlatrexswords
@dlatrexswords Год назад
Great fun as always! Love see the classic matchup. Keep at it. Oh, and love this new intro Nick.
@nickaschenbecker9882
@nickaschenbecker9882 Год назад
A man named Nick with a katana fighting in Landsknecht pluderhosen brings a smile to my face as does his use of said sword. THAT is how you take an enemy's blade with a katana. No "edge to edge" nonsense. I even saw a couple of very nice ippon! Our friend with the saber should've used the hanging guard more. He did very well with it. Such a clean bout by two polished swordsmen. The grapples reminded me why, historically, swordsmen wore daggers. Getting that katana behind Rick's collarbone proved a chore. Better to drop your sword and draw your tanto!
@davidcraft4644
@davidcraft4644 Год назад
Yeah but it's a very flawed fight, I mean why is the saber user not also equipped with either a buckler or dagger? This isn't going to do much to show what a katana can do against a saber user if you're not going let the saber user use the saber to its full advantage.
@atom8248
@atom8248 11 месяцев назад
​@@davidcraft4644I do not believe that napoleonic wars era british cavalrymen and officers were issued bucklers.
@Master...deBater
@Master...deBater 4 дня назад
@@davidcraft4644 Cavalry sabers were not historically used with buckler or dagger!
@kamudototsuka
@kamudototsuka Год назад
The saber seems to have a longer reach because it is wielded with one hand and half a body. The katana seems to have more power and control because it is held with both hands. It is a win-win situation. There is an old saying in Japanese swordsmanship that "it takes three times the skill of a spearman to counter a sword with a spear," but a katana will have a hard time against a sword like an epee or a rapier that strikes at once after a short pause.
@nickaschenbecker9882
@nickaschenbecker9882 Год назад
In the early days of exploration-mid to late 1540s-Portuguese merchant marines would dock in Yokohama harbor to trade wares. Because these were sailors and were in a foreign place they didn't really understand they'd get drunk and start fights. The so-called "black carracks" sword was very popular in Portugal at the time. It soon became apparent that the katana was taught in such a way that it was only good at fighting against other katana. The samurai adapted-toppeigoshirae were invented, kissaki moroha zukuri style blades became popular again-they were absorbing what was useful from seeing these Portuguese merchant marines with their transitional rapiers. The tables turned and, after prolly more than a few sailors got killed for acting a fool, it was ordered the swords stay on the ship when on shore leave. Eventually Japan closed its ports to foreginers, anyway, though. The next time samurai faced foreign swordsmen-when Hideyoshi decided to invade Mainland China and the Korean peninsula in the 1590s-the samurai ran into a different problem altogether. The Korean swordsmen were terrified and no match but Chinese soldiers had lots of guns!
@atom8248
@atom8248 11 месяцев назад
​@@nickaschenbecker9882Source for any of this? I find the claim about the Japanese having a hard time due to ming guns strange, since a big problem (at least for the koreans) was that the japanese were the ones who had a lot of guns.
@kyriltolbert
@kyriltolbert 8 месяцев назад
@@atom8248 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
@blackdog6891
@blackdog6891 2 месяца назад
​@atom8248 I dunno about China, but Korea was definitely a cannon superpower pre-17th century. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_cannon I think you're right about the "guns" though, hand firearms were much more common in Japan, though it's debated how effective that was during the Imjin War.
@meinkek7896
@meinkek7896 Месяц назад
No. Saber is superior
@mikedangerdoes
@mikedangerdoes Год назад
The double kill at 4:15 ish beautiful. Probably give the point to the Katana but still very nice from both.
@gubbs00
@gubbs00 Год назад
The step back at 3:33 was very well timed
@Theduckwebcomics
@Theduckwebcomics Год назад
Beautiful, elegant sabre fencing there.
@TheChadPad
@TheChadPad Год назад
This is so cool. Thank you guys!
@jakemcnamee9417
@jakemcnamee9417 Год назад
I want to root against the katana, but most users seem to be very good and they seem to get the upper hand at close range. From a distance they seem to be able to defend but not attack, but their dowers look sturdier, the less flex seems to be a defensive advantage I'd still choose the saber due to the reach and the nimbleness available. But katana are looking more and more formidable to me
@18ps3anos
@18ps3anos Год назад
Honestly, I'd say the Katana is definitely more nimble. This sabre is not that lighter compared to the Katana, and has a lot of authority in the cut. This is a cavalry sabre after all, and it doesn't have that much of point control. I don't know which sabres you are experienced with, but this one is a beast to wield and doesn't favor minimalist movements.
@The_true_Joe_mama
@The_true_Joe_mama Год назад
​@@18ps3anos He could be talking about a polish karabela. Those are as fast as light.
@christianlee1693
@christianlee1693 Год назад
The sabre fencer can't really rely on the guard to protect him so the aggressiveness is a really good idea
@andrewsock1608
@andrewsock1608 Год назад
I loved the leg sawing 😂👍👍
@aaronboo8172
@aaronboo8172 Год назад
I'll pick the saber, since I could hold an dagger in the freehand. Or an gun.
@escapetherace1943
@escapetherace1943 Год назад
it's also a better blade in general but don't let katana fantasy fanboys know or they'll come in screeching
@BarsusDraco
@BarsusDraco 5 месяцев назад
​@@escapetherace1943 better in what way? Blades can vary in many ways
@stefanusloloanpieterhutaba2744
@stefanusloloanpieterhutaba2744 4 месяца назад
It's annoyingly fast.​@@BarsusDraco
@Encovelicus
@Encovelicus 2 месяца назад
​@@BarsusDraco range for example
@RUPEETRADER
@RUPEETRADER Месяц назад
If you need extra weapon in the other hand, then your sabre is not good enough 😂😂
@silentfox139
@silentfox139 Год назад
Kinda wanna see samurai and Japanese army sword fight during the Meiji period of japan like in last samurai with Tom cruise or like with live action movie of ruronin kenshin. We need more stuff like this. It cool to see mix ups like this
@uexkeru
@uexkeru Год назад
Traditional katana vs a kyu-gunto and longsword or katana vs tachi. Or Musashi's two handed sword work vs his one handed sword, or his one handed sword adapted to a dedicated one handed blade.
@y_magaming9798
@y_magaming9798 Год назад
I've been doing various martial arts from mma and kickboxing to goju ryu and xing yi quan. And these are two of the best swordsman I've seen in my life. As far as applicable combat is concerned they are both absolutely flawless.
@efafe4972
@efafe4972 Год назад
nice lack of grappling lol
@y_magaming9798
@y_magaming9798 Год назад
@@efafe4972 I started with judo when I was 15. And I grew up wrestling.
@efafe4972
@efafe4972 Год назад
@@y_magaming9798 you didnt mention it
@then00brathalos
@then00brathalos 11 месяцев назад
0:28--0:38 is probably the most realistic sword exchange ever. One guy starts pushing and closing the distance, and before you know it two guys are grappling at each other, one stabbing the back whilst the other is sawing the leg like cutting a steak
@darthvader9939
@darthvader9939 Год назад
Dunno If i'm a samurai fighting a guy with a sword like that, i'd choose a more unorthodox and flexible guarding stance, just for safety.
@anselmdanker9519
@anselmdanker9519 9 месяцев назад
Very interesting thank you
@elem-sike4161
@elem-sike4161 Год назад
Isn’t it cool how there was a brief period in time when Sabre and Shinken got to spar and possibly battled. Idk what class I’d like to take first.
@BlackPinoy869
@BlackPinoy869 Год назад
This is pretty good.
@AZTigerMMA
@AZTigerMMA Год назад
These men “get after it” respect !
@calebriddle4939
@calebriddle4939 Год назад
Is there any colleges that have historical/saber fighting courses?
@drifter-donosadventureobsc9565
It feels like the stances for the saber really give it a wide range of angles to defend against, but it seems to struggle with recovering from them because its wide, sweeping movements are so telegraphed and dependent on one hand. At least 3 different times in these bouts the katana landed second intention blows that were just too fast for the saber to react to.
@slaysfordays3197
@slaysfordays3197 9 месяцев назад
I think this is an interesting phenomenon that occurs whenever one and two handed swords are put up against each other. The katana is so much more stable during blocks or parries and much harder to push off line during attacks. That being said, that two handed grip requires that the shoulders are much more squared to the target which changes footwork. The saber remaining largely perpendicular to its target would have definite advantages in their backwards/forwards movement and maximum range. I would be interested how a heavier saber(like one of the Ottoman's or Turkish ones) would perform in this match up. A heavier blade might disrupt the katanas advantage on stability while maintaining the greater mobility and range that a one-handed grip affords.
@leonardonetto7490
@leonardonetto7490 9 месяцев назад
I've been learning a lot about Sabres and really, the fight seems well balanced. Though he would've avoided three or four killing blows using the hanging guard. I've never seen a Sabre held this way, it doesn't guard the exterior properly and his legs are very far apart, not giving much room for use of attacks. Incredible fight!!
@null-cipher
@null-cipher Год назад
Great sparring! Can you tell me where the katana is from? is it sigi's?
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing Год назад
Black Fencer, we have the Sigi as well. I will get a review done of both of them soon.
@fierypickles4450
@fierypickles4450 Год назад
Love the inclusion of grappling
@9SS94Cr
@9SS94Cr Год назад
Which school of Kenjutsu does Nick practice? Many of his moves reminded me of my time during Kendo training.
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing Год назад
I (Nick) don't have one. I did practice kendo for a while a long time, but really what I am doing here is regularly pouring over old kenjutsu demonstration videos, pulling anything I can find that is interesting and incorporate the techniques. With an experienced framework in lots of European styles that works just fine. I am always working to make my katana work more authentic in form whenever I can spare the time.
@LeSerpentBlanc
@LeSerpentBlanc Год назад
@@AcademyofHistoricalFencing As a kenjutsu practitioner I found the arms much too extended. Most moves in the styles I am fluent in (Komagawa Kaishin-ryû, Tenshin-shoden-katori-shintô-ryû and Ogawa-ryû) have the arms much closer to the body except when striking. That makes it harder for a lunge-style weapon to score a kote (wrist) hit and easier to do a sliding parry with the katana. Nonetheless I found this video very edifying, and found a few points to ponder in my own training. Thank you for posting this!
@Hetiekae
@Hetiekae Год назад
@@LeSerpentBlanc Thanks for this! I came to comment the same. I trained in Bunjinkan (lower stance than most kenjutsu, but similar) and noticed the same things. Using a basic guard with the blade extending outward is asking for trouble. I prefer a high guard, but that comes from my height!
@LeSerpentBlanc
@LeSerpentBlanc Год назад
@@Hetiekae I prefer a straight stance with gedan low guard, because I'm still not over my amazement of how quickly you can whip up the blade into a sliding parry or block from that position. Might have to do with my height of 1.85 m, though. I agree that staying in chûdan (and a high extended Langer Ort-flavoured chûdan, at that) is asking for trouble. The fencer in the video is good enough to overcome the limitations of that position, though. I wouldn't be able to pull that off.
@drifter-donosadventureobsc9565
Shinden-Mugai-ryu guy here. Yeah most kenjutsu forms I've seen typically keep the arms closer to the body. It also helps keep the opponent from knowing your exact range. Something that I am struggling with in my current italian bolognese studies.
@namedjasonc
@namedjasonc Год назад
Is it just me, or are the effective ranges really fascinating in this bout? It looks to me like the sabre has an advantage at both long and short range (by attacking with the rear hand) but that the katana has a lot of ability to dominate in the middle range.
@veritas4887
@veritas4887 11 месяцев назад
2 handed swords sacrifice reach and range of motion for strength and fast twitch response. If you could see in the video the sabre guy is following through his motions because it’s difficult to stop his sword and he needs the momentum to strike a 2 handed guard, whereas the katana guy is waiting for him to attack first before counter attacking his slow recovery.
@kyriltolbert
@kyriltolbert 8 месяцев назад
@@veritas4887 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
@harukadeng6917
@harukadeng6917 Год назад
Hello, may I know which one is better, Black Fencer's KATANA or SIGI's KATANA?
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing Год назад
For handling and looks, Black Fencer, for durability, Sigi. We have both and much prefer to use the Black Fencer, but the sigi has much thicker edges, and so takes less edge damage and the grip lasts longer (being simple cord rather than the traditional method). I'd rather put up with a little less durability for a much nicer handling sword personally, but others prefer thicker and tougher edges.
@harukadeng6917
@harukadeng6917 Год назад
@@AcademyofHistoricalFencing Thank you for your answer
@rimroth5224
@rimroth5224 Год назад
Where did you got the Katana from
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing Год назад
Black Fencer.
@coldcall9563
@coldcall9563 Год назад
Looks like katanabro's hands were sliced off a few times
@mateiaprozianu3289
@mateiaprozianu3289 Год назад
"ok this was fun" pulls out pistol*
@radoslawboklak
@radoslawboklak 2 месяца назад
First rule of saber fighting, do not stop attacking, blow after blow, till you hit.
@generaldave7710
@generaldave7710 Год назад
I’m so torn on which blade is my favorite
@bnolsen
@bnolsen 6 месяцев назад
Pistol with 20 rds in the offhand maybe wins.
@elputoJoeLewis
@elputoJoeLewis 9 месяцев назад
very good fight ,thank you for share to learn
@egm01egm
@egm01egm Год назад
I see some middle or even first saber blade cuts? What is their effectiveness with real saber?
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing Год назад
I am not sure what you are referring to, do you mean the cut angles/numbers?
@egm01egm
@egm01egm Год назад
@@AcademyofHistoricalFencing i mean blade sections. The forte section, the middle section. Sorry, English is not my native language.
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing Год назад
The forte would usually be blunt on these. The middle would be sharp. The nature of this fight does bring some actions very close, the shots landed with the middle of the blade came with a powerful swing and would still have been effective. I think the only shot delivered with the forre was followed up with a drawing action, making it into an effective strike.
@b.h.abbott-motley2427
@b.h.abbott-motley2427 Год назад
What's the blade length on this katana? It looks rather short (as many historical ones were).
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing Год назад
76cm, so towards the higher end of the average historical range, they are indeed very short for a sword with a two handed grip.
@pennsyltuckyreb9800
@pennsyltuckyreb9800 Год назад
Keep in mind average Japanese height for men in samurai days hovered just over 5 feet. So not "short" for them. Interesting dynamic to ponder the difference in reach if he had a blade length comparable to his height.
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing Год назад
Indeed the Japanese were on average short, but if we look at a typical chart for calculating your ideal blade length - 5 ft 7 in - 5 ft 9 in 2.45 shaku 29 inch 5 ft 9 in - 5 ft 11 in 2.50 shaku 30 inch I (Nick), am 5'7", and would therefore typically use a blade around 29 inch. The sword I am using in this video has a 30" blade, and so is therefore in the typical range for the next height category up. Whereas in Europe I'd expect to use a blade of 34-40" at my height with a two handed sword. Katanas were indeed very short, even in scale to their users. It was a preference of the styles/traditions.
@pennsyltuckyreb9800
@pennsyltuckyreb9800 Год назад
@@AcademyofHistoricalFencing Got it. Thanks for the info!
@b.h.abbott-motley2427
@b.h.abbott-motley2427 Год назад
@@AcademyofHistoricalFencing It's worth noting that other Japanese sword types could be much larger. Japanese soldiers/pirates/bandits were famous for using big two-handed swords in 16th/17th-century China. Even the smaller sidearm version of the Japanese-style swords Cheng Zongyou wrote about was 119cm of total length, which is close to many European longswords.
@LadyNari773
@LadyNari773 11 месяцев назад
i like this comparison alot better than samurai vs knight, considering that samurai vs knight is so anachronistic. This pairing is 100% certain to have happened many times in history.
@stephenwhited1833
@stephenwhited1833 10 месяцев назад
Not knowing much about it, it appeared that the handguard on the saber was a definite advantage. I saw a couple of times the blade slide down and hit the hand of the Katana swordsman. I have noticed that the European swords are a bit better designed I guess because the Japanese had to fight each other the Chinese and maybe the Mongols. The Europeans had to fight everybody.
@anonek6640
@anonek6640 Год назад
nice
@veganporkkebab389
@veganporkkebab389 7 месяцев назад
Few lessons I had with sabre and swords 15+ years ago teacher told me rule is to be mobile and change angles keep distance he was teaching us defensive reaction stance letting opponent engage first moving backwards reading and aiming for hands and grip. He always kept moving his sword never stood in one place.
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing 7 месяцев назад
Those strategies vary immensely both on what style and culture you are looking at, but also situationally and tactically within a style. There are styles that encourage constant movement, like the Spanish destreza fencing for example, and yet there are contemporary Italian sources that recommend a very static stance and only to move when going to attack or parry. There are strengths and weaknesses to each. Same as maintaining distance to strike the hands, it is a legitmate approach that exists in many styles, but there are also at times huge advantages in closing distance. This is a very broad subject where you will find an extremely broad set of approahces in a single style, let alone comparing many.
@jesstv888
@jesstv888 10 месяцев назад
I love katanas, but those are over romantized in movies. Saber wins for speed and flexibility. Nice sparring, I enjoyed every moment😊😊😊
@CarChoice777
@CarChoice777 Год назад
Серии из двух ударов явно было недостаточно для сабли.
@casesoutherland4175
@casesoutherland4175 Год назад
The advantage with the katana is that it's a two-handed weapon, but both blades are curved and designed for slicing!
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing Год назад
The two handed grip comes with advantages and disadvantages. Primarily that the two hand grip leverage makes it very quick to accelerate and decelerate, but it comes at the cost of dexterity and reach. A classic min/max kind of scenario.
@martinhg98
@martinhg98 Год назад
@@user-ch9vd4cd3t katanas almost always have short blades like arming sword length. If you med longer its a nodathi. Sory for my speling.
@LeSerpentBlanc
@LeSerpentBlanc Год назад
@@martinhg98 That's debatable, actually. Japanese were much shorter on average around the sengoku jidai and into the Edo jidai than Europeans were during the Middle Ages through Renaissance into the Thirty Years War. Today, Japanese men average about 1.70 m, and they are having a hard time finding guys who still fit into historical suits of armour; most of the museum pieces shown at jidai matsuri are now worn by very petite women of 1.50 m or less. If a katana of 70 cm nagasa (blade length) is the correct length for an 1.50 person that means that a person of 1.85 m height would need a katana of 86.5-ish length. Overall length would go up from 1 m to 1.25 or thereabouts if the hilt goes up in size as well (which is debatable depending on the style). We're definitely getting closer to longsword range there.
@atom8248
@atom8248 11 месяцев назад
​@@martinhg98Not at all true, before the edo period katana were often about the size of european longswords. Edo period laws forced everyone to have their swords shortened. At the end of the edo period long swords come back briefly as straight kinno-to in the hands of samurai loyal to the emperor.
@Eckister
@Eckister Год назад
... does the fencer holding the katana have a background in Kendo? Because his technique seems "15-ish century longsword" to me. 🤔Nothing wrong with that, just wondering. Also - I don't quite remember who it was, but I think someone from the Community of the Sword (I THINK it was Skallagrim, but not sure) once did a comparison between Kendo and Longsword, finding that they have a LOT in common, so literally nothing wrong with applying (most of) those techniques.
@zurieschwartz4101
@zurieschwartz4101 9 месяцев назад
He is probably a longsword fighter who trained a little in katana. I can see he executes lots of his techniques like a longsword.
@silvafox07
@silvafox07 Год назад
Aren't sabers meant to be partnered up with a pistol??
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing Год назад
They were often carried together yes, though typically used seperately, especially as the pistol of this sabre era was single shot. The sword was the primary weapon of both officers and cavalrymen in the era of this sword.
@jacekbak2484
@jacekbak2484 6 дней назад
Good. KDZ.
@WaybackFencingClub
@WaybackFencingClub Год назад
I am leading a volunteer sport sabre club in the US. Since I can't change the rules of sport fencing what could I change about the training to bring it more in line with what fencing is? The club's theme is identifying historical systems within the sport. The first thing to change is mentality. Some may scoff at this but I think there is something here worth exploring. Can history establish a "meta" in the modern game?
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing Год назад
That's a tough one. Sport sabre has developed to an incredibly high level of skill within its ruleset and in terms of athleticism. If you wanted to take something from the history of sabre I would say it's focus in defensive distance work. Chasing the scoring point is a problem we encoutner all the time in HEMA, and is of course the object of a point scoring system, but the absolutely most important aspect of it as a weapon should be defence. This is also complicated further by the lack of below the waist target in sport sabre which does encourage a lot more distance covered. If sport sabre could take anything from military sabre I would say it;s defensive qualities to use as training games and exercises. The maintaining of distance, the leg slips, not taking too big a risk consideirng what might land on you in riposte or double. It's a tough one though, as the target zones, purpose, training tools and ground fought on change so many factors make the difference between the two huge. I have been meaning to work more with sport sabres in a HEMA enviroment as a test of how useful they could be or not, as I have not used them in a long time. I'll make a load of videos on this in the coming months and that might be useful too.
@WaybackFencingClub
@WaybackFencingClub Год назад
@@AcademyofHistoricalFencing Thanks! I would be happy to provide input on this subject if you like. It is a huge difference but I think where historical concepts can appear are in second intention attacks and distance traps to control the tempo of the game in favor of more practical techniques (even moulinets from hanging guards if watched closely). I competed in modern tournaments but I favor books on the subject up to the year 1950.
@user-kg5fx7iq8v
@user-kg5fx7iq8v 18 дней назад
I read that there is a short saber. I want to know what it looks like.
@tatumergo3931
@tatumergo3931 День назад
They are called hangers or cutlasses, depending if it is for the army or for the navy...
@lowfpsman
@lowfpsman Месяц назад
What with wrestling? Is it buhurt or fencing.
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing Месяц назад
Fencing has wrestling. A great many fencing styles have wrestling involved, in fact most of the weapons we practice do.
@papermap1646
@papermap1646 Год назад
love 💯💯💯💯💯💯
@maspikonontonyoutube5543
@maspikonontonyoutube5543 Год назад
For distance one hand is better, but for power two hand is better. Every style have advantages and disadvantages. So usually I always alternate using one hand and two hands continuously.
@anonyme7429
@anonyme7429 Год назад
I can say if those were a hussar vs a samurai I can say a hussar will win because if they're using the 1796 light cavalry sabre the katana block would be easily break delivering a death blow
@Mr.Rilfemen
@Mr.Rilfemen 27 дней назад
sabre win as its monility and more mobolity move but it dont have big sharpness and hard that help them block attacks from different heavy waepons. katana win as its sharpness and medium mobility also it can almost block all kind of heavy weapon except kanabo and something really heavy it cons is just slower and heavier so you can't use it with one have so you have more mobilty
@yasup9442
@yasup9442 5 месяцев назад
0:54 I don't think I've ever seen someone using the saw technique.
@iilikecereal
@iilikecereal 9 месяцев назад
I don't know much about sword-fighting so excuse my ignorance, but it looks like the guy with the katana was just faster and it really just came down to skill in the end.
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing 9 месяцев назад
As the katana user here I have signficiantly more experience than the other as I am his instructor with decades more experience. However, he is still a competent fencer and you can see he gets some good blows in and causes me lots of problems. Skill is the overall most important factor, but certain weapons do have advantages and disadvantages in different scenarios which can be enough to balance the odds or tip them in ones favour even with a skill disparity. In terms of speed, the katana is a much faster weapon to accelerate and decelerate due to it's two handed grip and the fact that it is roughly the same weight as the sabre here. Also the sabre in use is a front weighted cavalry sabre. But the sabres speed and agility comes in it';s rotations and agility at the wrist.
@user-fx8kc9lp8h
@user-fx8kc9lp8h Год назад
勘違いしちゃいけないのは、こういう持って戦う武器は、武器が強いんじゃなくて、使って戦う人が強いんだよね。
@oynlengeymer2434
@oynlengeymer2434 7 месяцев назад
one handed and side stance gives so much more range
@shuhsak
@shuhsak Год назад
On the battlefield, he wields two katanas in each hand. When wielding a katana with both hands, he cut the enemy together with the armor.
@marcuslazuli-ml5204
@marcuslazuli-ml5204 Год назад
Jajajajaja las katanas son para dos manos.
@batguano6
@batguano6 Год назад
not one of those movie katanas that can cut through all other blades
@marcuslazuli-ml5204
@marcuslazuli-ml5204 Год назад
Jajajajaja me haz hecho reír.🤪🤪🤪🤪
@actionjksn
@actionjksn Год назад
When real sword fights were happening I would not be surprised if there were a lot of fights where both guys ended up bleeding to death. With both people skilled I don't see any way that either person is not getting out of this without a bunch of serious cuts. Especially if they were not wearing armor.
@BarsusDraco
@BarsusDraco 5 месяцев назад
That is also pretty the most realistic end of such duels
@MH-yp6wg
@MH-yp6wg Год назад
Rick Bruiser vs Nick Bruiser.
@PhilosoFox
@PhilosoFox Год назад
Wouldn't the saber fencer profit from equipping a buckler or parrying dagger to his off hand? I don't know if that would be a historically valid scenario, but then I would love to see maxed out specs for each of them. The katana fencer swapping that one for an odachi for longer reach in warfare and the saber guy getting shield or coat for his second hand.
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing Год назад
Yes it would be an advantage, so long as the user had the ability/knowledge to use it well and not compromise their sabre work. In these fights we typically go for realistic and likely scenarios, and the military sabre of the 18th and 19th century was almost never used with anything in the offhand. There are however always a few exceptions and we do use sabres with offhand weapons sometimes.
@zon7508
@zon7508 Год назад
You know, the second the right dude get his hand on the kodachi the fight became one sided. That too much range (almost twice) for the saber to close gap, mean while the other guy can just keep kiting out of range. I'm not bias or anything, but it's just that longer weapon give an insane advantage though out history
@kamilpotato3764
@kamilpotato3764 8 месяцев назад
@@AcademyofHistoricalFencing Next time, get someone who does polish sabre...
@ribos2762
@ribos2762 5 месяцев назад
the katana looks shorter than I imagined
@AstroRayGun
@AstroRayGun Год назад
As someone with zero experience in sword fighting, it seems the katana has an advantage here. At first, you'd think the sabre would because of the reach and that's normally a huge factor but because of the katanas 2 handed nature, it seems to have a significant speed advantage along with being able to generate more power with less space and having much better control once the blades clash. A sabre is better in the cut so swinging into the katana is leaning into your strength but the cuts are slower and because it's one have, the katana has a much easier time closing the distance and getting hits in. Something that fairs better in the thrust, such as a rapier, would be a much better counter to the katana if we're talking one handed weapons. All and all, the katana is a great civilian dueling weapon which is essentially what it was relegated to in the edo period.
@alfrede.neuman9082
@alfrede.neuman9082 7 месяцев назад
The sabre won bro.
@mhdfrb9971
@mhdfrb9971 6 месяцев назад
And still the saber dominated the world
@AstroRayGun
@AstroRayGun 4 месяца назад
​@@alfrede.neuman9082I'm pointing out an advantage. I was expecting the sabre would dominate but i wasn't expecting some advantages that the katana does have. It doesn't mean it wins.
@alfrede.neuman9082
@alfrede.neuman9082 4 месяца назад
@@AstroRayGun Speaking as someone who both regularly spars with swords AND also owns and collects antique examples of both nihonto and sabres, I can personally tell you that IMO, Katana/gunto/nihonto are GROSSLY overrated. They’re extraordinarily heavy, usually very short, have no hand protection, have very poor grips, and are no sharper than a typical sabre. And that’s from someone who currently owns around 7-8 very nice antique examples, and has owned several others. They’re pretty and interesting historically (hence why I have them), but they’re objectively crap weapons. Of the dozens of antique swords I’ve collected over the years, my Japanese stuff would be the LAST to be picked if I actually needed to go pick a fight with someone. They’re stupidly mythologised by anime fanboys who think they’re handcrafted by the gods themselves, and who have no idea that they’re actually fairly shit weapons because they’ve never actually handled one, or if they have, they’ve never handled something better. They only make any sense in the VERY specific context of Japanese combat - Which itself was devoid of ANY input or influence by outside factors or cultures for centuries. QED, the sabre won (which it did) because it’s a VASTLY more useable weapon than the katana, and is a better weapon in every practical sense.
@user-yv4oo7es7p
@user-yv4oo7es7p 2 месяца назад
1:04
@jaketheasianguy3307
@jaketheasianguy3307 Год назад
The matchup this time looks very fair compared to the more famous synthetic sabre vs katana video
@brandezboy
@brandezboy Год назад
5:05 BÖNK
@AndrewRoberts11
@AndrewRoberts11 8 месяцев назад
Why isn't the sabre wielder carrying a pistol, in his left hand, given the 1796 light cavalry pattern?
@BarsusDraco
@BarsusDraco 5 месяцев назад
Because neither of them would be bringing swords to a fight, but guns
@paradox_1729
@paradox_1729 Год назад
Problem with guys using katanas ism they almost always learn a lot about how to defend but almost none about how to attack, most modern sshools have taken those parts from their curriculum. You can visibly see the guy there doesnt know how to attack.. at all.
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing Год назад
It's more to do with the weapon being faced. Most people expect a weapon style to remain the same when moving from a matched weapon fight to a mixed one, but the reality is changes are often essential. Try facing a sabre with a katana and you will see exactly the problem, the sabre can interupt timings with an incredible dexterity and range of angles
@truthfulkarl
@truthfulkarl Год назад
so saber has the reach advantage, however the katana has strength and speed behind it
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing Год назад
It's not quite so simple with the speed and strength comparison. When it comes to strength the 1796 light cavalry sabre is well known as one of the most brutal cutters in history, easily taking limbs and heads off, much like the katana. In speed its not a direct comparison as they work differently. The two haned grip of the katana gives more leverage in the hands and that means faster acceleration and deceleration, so quick to start and stop. But rhe sabre in it's greater dexterity of grip, by both being single handed and completely uninhibited by extra grip and the body mechanics of two handed usage, is faster at many rotational followup cuts and rapid extreme changes in cutting angles. These circular motions also generate tremendous power. Going back to strength, the katana does have a leverage advantage in the bind, but this is counter by the rapid changes in cutting angles mentioned previously. So it is not at all a simple comparison. Neither sword has a complete speed or strength advantage, but are stronger and faster at different things.
@truthfulkarl
@truthfulkarl Год назад
@@AcademyofHistoricalFencing i understand. was just making the observation that came to mind upon initial viewing
@beser12v66
@beser12v66 Год назад
Why do you think that the katana user is not releasing the sword and hit with one hand from time to time to get more range?
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing Год назад
Because it is very risky to do against the sabre. You don't gain a huge amount of reach and it will still be less than the sabre (76cm blade vs 83cm). As soon as you go one handed with the katana it becomes basically a bad sabre, very short, it can be beaten through, it doesn't have the hand protection and the grip is awkward for one handed work. I might include some attempts at it to the hand another time, but the risk is very high, and if you get it wrong, that cavalry sabre's striking power is immense.
@beser12v66
@beser12v66 Год назад
@@AcademyofHistoricalFencing I have noticed that extending the strike so it starts two handed, releases with the back hand holding (gaining another 10 cm..) and follwing the strike back to two handed is really a great move to gain ground against a retreating opponent, and as a first "lounge" into a fast short range two handed exchange
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing Год назад
Indeed we use such a move with longswords, but then they have much longer grips and also aren;t as such a reach disadvantage in blade also. It's certainly somethingt that can work, but I'd still be very careful with it, especially as I know my opponent here lvoes timed hits, which is something I am very careful to avoid in this fight.
@beser12v66
@beser12v66 Год назад
@@AcademyofHistoricalFencing Thanks! Been great seeing you guys in action. Keep up the great work!
@thfkmnIII
@thfkmnIII Год назад
@@AcademyofHistoricalFencing agree on not using one hand. But the arms of your standard guard looks way too extended to be kenjutsu, looks more like kendo (which is more sport than martial art)
@AKlover
@AKlover Год назад
Wouldn't using A two handed weapon without A "Reach" advantage put you at an immediate disadvantage????
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing Год назад
Yes, although the two handed grip offers more than just the ability to wield a longer blade. Leverage is the key, and the two handed allows rapid acceleration and deceleration, as well as a very strong bind. So that is what the katana gains here, at the expense of dexterity, which is the greatest strength of the sabre.
@garrickhayes9063
@garrickhayes9063 Год назад
@@AcademyofHistoricalFencing Precisely. Katana can be lightning quick, especially on counters, when the upper hand acts as a fulcrum
@metaname1
@metaname1 2 месяца назад
Странно, я думал что боец с катаной одержит убедительную победу, ибо двуручный хват при сравнимой массе оружия - большое преимущество. Но фактически, бой выглядел так, будто у боеца с катаной сильно затруднен обзор - наносить точные удары с большой дистанции у него не особо получалось.
@tatumergo3931
@tatumergo3931 День назад
He was not using kenjutsu techniques, but a combination of longsword and sabre techniques.
@jonpaul3868
@jonpaul3868 Год назад
Dude really? Cavalry saber and katana both got minimum hand guard and the guard is not at body siluet? They are presenting the hands to the enemy.
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing Год назад
As was a common practice, thinking all swords with lower levels of hand protection were always used in protracted postitions is an artefact of viewing through later and more complex hilted systems. Take the cavalry sabre shown for example, it was taught used extended forward guards exclusively for both cavalry and infantry use. Japanese styles used a broad mix of guards, but often used extended forward guards heavily, and in the situation of this video, they are one of the best options.
@user-hz7yq7ct1t
@user-hz7yq7ct1t Год назад
😮6-6(draw)
@monikachoma2412
@monikachoma2412 6 месяцев назад
GOŚĆ Z SZABLĄ NIE WYKORZYSTUJE DYSTANSU , JAKI MA TRZYMAJĄC SWĄ BROŃ JEDNĄ RĘKĄ , A PCHNIĘCIA SĄ NAJSZYBSZYMI AKCJAMI.
@user-ok2xo1rz5d
@user-ok2xo1rz5d Год назад
Two people who like rugby Japanese swordsmanship is not as easy as you think 🇯🇵 Also, if I lose weight, I can fight more easily (◍´꒳`)b
@user-pc1zb3kh6l
@user-pc1zb3kh6l 6 месяцев назад
Сабля всегда имеет дополнительное вооружение в левой руке. В видео реально видно, катана - сабля, сделайте гарду и держите в одной руке, в другой держите нож с гардой или батлер. Вы же профессионалы, но ведёте себя как дети! Ещё совет, двумя руками держаться за японский клинок против сабли и тем более всадника - реально очень глупо. Смертельно
@edux54
@edux54 Год назад
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@Rotaks
@Rotaks Год назад
I don't get it. Something is missing here. Kendo's fights look completely different. They not that slow. I don't get it why this fight looks so different than kendo fight (watching katana user). In Kendo they use rules, tactics, moves like there were fighting katanas. So why moves of this katana's figher look nothing like in Kendo?
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing Год назад
Kendo is a relatively modern sport with very restrictive rules. It is also practiced with shinai, which are extremely light and handle nothing ;ike the original swords. In this regard it is a lot like comparing modern foil and epee sport fencing to rapier and smallsword. Here a steel training sword of accurate weight and handling is used, and without sport rules. Kendo is really very far removed from historical Japanese swordsmanship. If you want a better idea of how Japanese swordsmanship looked then I suggest you check out kenjutsu, of which techniques are drawn upon in this video, though not in solation, as we are predominately a school of European swordsmanship. Lastly, this is a mixed weapon fight, and anyone who has fought against a wide range of weapons will know that a fighter must adapt to the opponent's weapon, and so it will look different to a matched weapon fight.
@Ianmar1
@Ianmar1 Год назад
The kendo kata are probably a better representation of how Edo period japanese swords were used in fights. Here are some Shinkage-ryu guys fighting sundome (non contact) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-5ALy3lhrgAQ.html
@Ianmar1
@Ianmar1 Год назад
​@@AcademyofHistoricalFencing A shinai is the same mass as a typical white oak bokuto (500g-700g). There are some exceptional cases like Niten Ichi Ryu which use spatula thin (360g) bokuto since they believe it improves cutting mechanics, or Tennen Rishin Ryu which uses a very heavy one (1800g) for building strength, but these are the exceptions.
@HariboStarman
@HariboStarman 6 месяцев назад
Who actually ‘won’ here? The saber?
@BarsusDraco
@BarsusDraco 5 месяцев назад
I think its a =
@Anthrax6989
@Anthrax6989 21 день назад
I know nothing about sword fight but looking on the video I feel like katana is better for explosive attack while sabre is more flexible and better for defense
@tatumergo3931
@tatumergo3931 День назад
The important thing to take from this video presentation is that the katana wielder in the video is not trained in its use. The last time Nick mentioned it, he said it was a comparison of two different weapons, not two different styles of swordsmanship. So the attempt here is one of a western fencer trying to use a katana as if it were any other type of western sword.
@aaa98730
@aaa98730 9 месяцев назад
Only one comment: katana was usually adjusted to the height of the swordsman. We are usually usung a default lenght that was used mostly by Japanese fencers that rose to 1,6m most. If someone is 1,8m or 2m, lenght of the blade should be adequately bigger. It makes katana prett much a Japanese longsword. Very nice duel btw. I wonder how oder budo would do, as I see Kendo here.
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing 9 месяцев назад
Glad you are enjoying it. Though there is no kendo here, this is a mix of some Kenjutsu being added to existing HEMA experience. About the sword length, though that is true, the training katana used here isn't particularly small. If we look at a typical scale chart for katana - 5 ft 7 in - 5 ft 9 in 2.45 shaku 29 inch 5 ft 9 in - 5 ft 11 in 2.50 shaku 30 inch The user in this video is 5'7 and the katana has a 30" blade, and so the sword in this video is a tad long compared to the user. So the katana is close to the extremely small bast**d swords or hand and a half swords, though quite far apart from many of the more typical longswords. This is reflected in the way they are worn too. The katana relaly is a remarkably small sword for one with a two handed grip, even in scale to their user. Not to say the Japanese didn't have larger sword types of course.
@user-jk4mb1fg9s
@user-jk4mb1fg9s Год назад
武士刀那位不會使用…雙手的力量加上身體重心,對面單手不可能擋得住,而且很明顯沒經過正規的日本劍道訓練,出擊方式跟速度都不在應該有的水準
@marcuslazuli-ml5204
@marcuslazuli-ml5204 Год назад
Jajajajaja nadie va a bloquear el ataque de la katana sino a esquivar y cortar o dar un estoque.
@jordanreeseyre
@jordanreeseyre Год назад
Kendo is a modern sport using shinai with radically different weight & balance than steel katanas. It would be like asking why 18th century sabre doesn't look like olympic sabre.
@spaceexploration9381
@spaceexploration9381 Год назад
Ни у одного из противников нет тактических манёвров. Т.е. у полосатого они еще немного есть, у чёрного их вообще нету.
@mrm8556
@mrm8556 Год назад
الكاتانا افضل واقوى وسهولة في التعامل
@thiagorodrigues5211
@thiagorodrigues5211 Год назад
It seems to me that for unarmored duel, the Sabre has the advantage. I love the sabre's movement but I wonder if a weapon that can stab would be even better?
@mrsmartypants4541
@mrsmartypants4541 Месяц назад
Sabers can, in fact, stab. They are fairly front heavy and while flexible, quite capable of stabbing the opponent.
@reiji_vid211
@reiji_vid211 Год назад
😅
@lucaskevinvillalba7086
@lucaskevinvillalba7086 Год назад
No entiendo igual si la katana se puede manipular con una mano jajajaja
@marcuslazuli-ml5204
@marcuslazuli-ml5204 Год назад
No es muy efectiva. Ya que tiene una empuñadura larga, incómoda y es más pesada que un sable.
@matteodanilov2795
@matteodanilov2795 10 месяцев назад
I hope the sabre wins
@BarsusDraco
@BarsusDraco 6 месяцев назад
Seemed like a = due to the advantages and disatvantages of each weapon. For example, due to the Katana being 2h, it has more controle and overall power on closeup. The rapier had more reach due to the length and the fact its wielded in one hand. Which wins depends on what Katana/Rapier type they use and the scenario (Where, the weather ect)
@ghiblinerd6196
@ghiblinerd6196 26 дней назад
Is it really a “vs” video if it’s a HEMA guy using a katana? That’s like having an mma vs karate video where it’s two mma guys buy one happens to be wearing a gi.
@tatumergo3931
@tatumergo3931 День назад
And only using karate-do techniques also!
@arnoldestipona2244
@arnoldestipona2244 5 месяцев назад
In fighting using saber,it is paired with dagger as secondary weapon. Right hand hold the saber while the left hand holds a Dagger.
@actionjksn
@actionjksn Год назад
Seems like with the katana being double-handed and fairly sturdy he should have been wailing on that guy's sword. I mean just take the katana and blast his sword as hard as he can and then go for the kill afterwards. I mean what's he going to do about it with his one-handed grip?
@Jmbr-eh6xr
@Jmbr-eh6xr Год назад
I love the irony of these sword sparrings, they are often held in some sports hall/indoor football,/basket ball court; when this is the sort of thing that people ought to be training in - how to fight - combat It is actually of use to you if some lunatic goes on a knife, machete rampage as is happening more and more frequently, what is the use in being skilled at whacking a fucking bag of air into a net (Football) or knocking balls into holes on the edge a table (Pool) or a giant waste of space field (Golf) Great, you have a lot skill - now this lunatic is going to carve you up, like one did in England yesterday, three people got stabbed to death, they had no chance because too busy playing football, basket ball, pool or golf
@jordanreeseyre
@jordanreeseyre Год назад
As a fencer, if anyone comes at you with a knife... Run!
@Jmbr-eh6xr
@Jmbr-eh6xr Год назад
⁹ @jordanreeseyre Hmmm, depends on what distance the knifer launches his attack; if he is standing about 2 yards in front of you, about normal conversation distance, then a fencer is screwed, if longer distance away, a Rapier has the reach advantage, and it can cut, not talking about a sport fencing foil, which is designed to be flexible and bendy so as to not cause injury, I am talking about a Rapier which is a real fencing weapon, primarily used as a thrusting weapon but blade also has sharp cutting edges, if you were committed to taking out a knife attacker with a Rapier, knifer will be the one running for his life, in the hands of a skilled Fencer, the speed and superior reach of a Rapier against a dagger stacks the odds against a knife/dagger
@jordanreeseyre
@jordanreeseyre Год назад
@@Jmbr-eh6xr I'd say that's a fairly accurate overview of the dynamics of sword vs. Knife situations. But on a serious note, we do historical fencing for fun, not self defence. Any instructor worth their salt when asked will point out that such training in no way makes sticking around during a real world blade attack a good idea.
@Jmbr-eh6xr
@Jmbr-eh6xr Год назад
@@jordanreeseyre Of course not, as commonly said only take on an armed attacker if cornered or you are in a situation where you are unwilling to retreat: family and or children present for example - I know you won’t run in a situation like that if you had a friggin Rapier to hand 😆😆😆 (A knifer would have to be an idiot to attack you, a coward with a knife isn’t looking for a fight, he is look for a victim that he thinks he has the advantage over) But a sword would make a poor self defence weapon because it is illegal in Most countries to carry, hard to conceal, whereas what makes a knife more dangerous overall is concealablity and ease of access To choose to tackle an armed attacker, unarmed or unarmed for any reason other than for your life or another’s, one will have made the wrong choice, Pride, loosing face in front of people But all in all, I think you can tell I have little respect for silly sports like pool, golf or football; the skills are useless outside of the sport, I have a lot of respect for guys who are into this HEMA stuff, it is the true complete martial art and hope you train hard at it, ignore idiots that think you are a violent person or nutta, oooh he’s into sword fighting, why not be normal and play football or golf instead 😆😆😆 I’m telling you man that’s what most people think, but I don’t care what people think 🖕🏻Keep on training as often as possible I like American Football and Rugby though, no explanation how the skills and attributes those sports give one that makes it useful in a fight, typically these guys could handle multiple attackers because they are used to dealing with six guys charging in at once, the game trains one to have excellent peripheral awareness, okay football does that too, but it lacks the rough contact Rugby does
@Jmbr-eh6xr
@Jmbr-eh6xr Год назад
@@jordanreeseyre Modest and humble 🙏
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