Everyone's pointing out that in real life a Great White would not be able to take out an orca one on one, which is true. But the whole point of this scene is to establish how dangerous the shark in this movie really is. A normal Great White couldn't do this, but this sharks in the Jaws films are not normal. At the end of the day, movies always take liberties with reality.
Apparently there was a script for Jurassic Park 3 that ties Jaws 1 and 2 into that universe, apparently they were supposed to be looking for a person named "Matt" which turns out to be Matt Hooper on the second island. It is mentioned that supposedly there were two great white sharks given growth hormones and meant to be fed to the Monasaur but two of them got out and made there way to Amity Island. Pretty dope if you ask me perfect backstory.
A 24 foot White (her size as reported in the film) could easily inflict these fatal wounds on an Orca. The largest White on record is about 20 feet and could take on most Orcas in the 6 - 7m range. Whites occasionally will feed on an Orca calf but only rarely as Orcas live in pods and the calves are usually well protected.
"I think that a great white may have done this." "What makes you think there might be one in these waters?" Gee, I don't know lady, maybe the fact that one terrorized the town four years ago and Brody himself had to destroy it?
Apparently, the Jaws 2 producers put this scene in Jaws 2 (1978) as payback for the Orca 1977 movie where the Orca killed a great white shark. Back then, it wasn't well known that Orcas could easily prey on and kill Great White Sharks.
@@charlyg-2590 Well obviously that is the implication. My point, which seems to have escaped you, is that the orca looks incredibly fake and therefore detracts from the intention to make Jaws so dangerous (putting aside the obvious that the orca annihilates the shark outside of movie fiction).
Well in the folklore of the Jaws movies, remember that the initial Jaws was Bruce, this was Brucette (mate of Bruce) in Jaws 2. In Jaws 3 it was Brucetta (older daughter) and Jaws 4 it was Vengeance The Shark (younger son). So by the time Jaws 4 came out poor Vengeance had his father, mother, sister and nephew (Danny the son of Brucetta) had all been killed by humans and mostly by Mr Brody and his son, hence why "it's personal". Of course this is all nonsense as we all know, but thought I would explain the rationale behind the storyline to you.
In the original script of Jaws 4 there was a voodoo witch doctor that put a curse on Michael Brody and his family by having the shark hunt them down. It's a crazy premise but it explains why the shark followed the Brody's 2000 miles from Massachusetts to the Caribbean.
Y’all thinking too much about this scene. Ofc an orca would kill a great white, but they wanted to show how deadly this shark really was in this movie by having it kill an orca lol also probably wanted to include it in memory of quints boat.
@@kristopherhenggeler2708 No an orca could not kill a Megalodon on its own. Only in a large pod could it have the chance of killing it. Also the shark in Jaws wasn’t a Megalodon, it was never claimed to be in the book nor on film. It was just a freakishly large great white shark.
Have you seen Orca from 1977? It’s close, minus the captivity part. Young Dumbledore (Richard Harris) attempts to capture a male Orca for an aquarium but accidentally shoots and kills the orca’s wife and unborn calf, and so the male Orca seeks revenge and does a LOT of bloody murder holy Shit it’s awesome!
Bull Shark: Welcome to the Salty Spittoon how tough are you? Brucette: How tough am I? How tough am I? I had a fight with an Orca Bull Shark: Yeah so? Brucette: And managed to beat him Bull Shark: Oh you can go in
The Jaws movies were always "monster" movies at its core: in the original (masterpiece) they constantly say how abnormally big and vicious the shark is; in the sequel, the shark is big-strong enough to kill an orca (when we all know in real life Orcas are above sharks in the food chain); in the third movie, it's literally the size of a Megalodon; in the last movie, the shark has developed a rational brain and hunts down human families for revenge...
Fun facts for all the Free Willy fans out there there is one shark that does take on orcas that the orca can't catch and that's cookie cutter sharks. Lately there's been a report talking about how cookie cutter sharks were tearing out holes in orcas
@@mowilderness8505 They are a small, elusive and incredibly fast parasitic creature that many species cannot catch so yes technically you are correct. However there may be still be some rare scenarios where an orca (or other fast marine predator) could theoretically catch and make a meal of the shark.
What I like about this scene is when they show the same buoy where Chrissie was killed, kinda makes you go down memory lane and that the nightmare has returned.
I feel like everybody needs to realize this is mostly just an extended dig at the film Orca, which in 1977 opened with a great white getting MOLLYWOPPED by a killer whale.
@@chiefscheider Sorry, Roy. The first hundred or so comments I saw were people debating who would win in an actual fight. It's like a playground in '78 out here.
I was so angry at Amity’s city council for firing him and not seeing anything in that photo. They only wanted to see what they wanted to see . I want them to get eaten by the shark for their stupidity. They had called him Chief Brody an idiot and psycho even his wife.
It's kind of hilarious how much controversy this scene still stirs up. This scene was only in there because it was meant to be a response and insult/attack to the 1977 film Orca, which similarly attacked Jaws in it's own way within the first 20 minutes.
Kacie Remata actually, the orca had a reason to kill people because it’s mate & baby were killed by humans, so can you really blame the orca for killing people?
@@jamessmilus321 More of a Moby Dick knockoff, except with the roles reversed -- the whale wants revenge on the captain. A blatant knockoff of Jaws is Grizzly. Same story elements, right down to blowing up the bear lol
Lone Wolf clearly someone at Universal didn’t get the memo about sharks not taking things personally considering they made an entire movie about a shark seeking revenge.
So Orca from 77 took a jab at Jaws when the Orca kills a great white, then Jaws 2 from 78 takes a jab at Orca! Just love these things on old movies, almost like the joke between Sam Raimi and Tobe Hooper.
Jaws Fanboy Orcas actually eat killer whales when very hungry. Although they would win a battle (except for boxing lol) orcas are only just stronger than great whites and I do think that great whites are powerful so let’s just agree to disagree.
orca is measured as 7,5m long, quite big even for a male. Jaws 2 shark is described as almost 10meters long, quite longer than the orca. plus, the jaws size, thr bite width, iswayway bigger than the biggest orca out there. from the movie perspective, it makes sense that a shark that size literraly tears the orca apart
Well this shark in jaws 2 is 30ft which would put it close to the size of the largest recorded orca size, which measured 32 ft, but jaws 3 shark that was 35 ft would most definitely make a meal of nearly all orcas out there, unless there are larger ones out there that we haven't yet discovered
You really think all people knew, back in those days that orca's rule above white sharks? And besides: Jaws must have a terribly, vicious, orca killing-boat sinking shark starring in it, or else those movies would get really short!
The dead Orca is a poetic nod to the shark in the first movie. The boat in the first movie is named “Orca” and the shark sinks it before getting shot and blown up by Brody. This scene is saying “the shark still won.”
I got to give it to the director...despite being a disappointing secuel , pales in every aspect to the original....they know how to create this rivalry among Brody and the new Shark.....sadly they share only One Scene at the end...but i do have to say...some scenes in this movie remind me the greatness of The first Movie...
If Jaws 2 was the same size as the original Jaws (or bigger), than it was bigger than this orca. Also, we don’t know if this orca was sick. The main point is that Jaws 2 took out this orca with two bites. That’s really big and badass white shark. Normally, orcas are too big and powerful and travel in pods. 🤔
Orcas in pods go for the Great Whites liver... Orca alone is rare I would think... they are social creatures.. and stay with family groups with Grandma being matriarch..
@@mattyboy999 Just because he or she is interested in the subject matter. And is sharing their knowledge with the rest of us. Doesn't give YOU the right to be an ignorant jack ass...(g)
@@davemartin8501 There has been a recent video of a single grandma orca killing a great white shark. They don’t need to be in a pod to do this. Even the orca pair Port and Starboard in South Africa have been killing these sharks solo.
I kind of hate that because of the bad writing, when she asks him what makes him think there might be one in those waters, Brody doesn't bring up that one did before that he encountered.
It's very possible Brody was dealing with some kind of PTSD after the first Jaws movie. It's possible he has blacked out that bad experience from his memory.
@@Romulan2469 Still, it doesn't stop him from telling this scientist to prove them wrong that one shark did once swim in those waters. Pretty sure Hooper would've wrote a book about it too.
@@Romulan2469 PTSD didn't stop him from bringing the picture of the shark to the Mayor and them, he was vocal about that they should deal with it so he doesn't have to again.
Bro it's honestly stupid when people say "OmG ShaRK kiLL OrCa tHaTs stUPid" but they don't know that the shark in this movie is no ordinary shark, the shark in the movie is above an average great white.
@Truest Cato Maior4Evah a 7 meter (22ft) orca is medium sized. A 33 ft 12 tonne max sized orca would have given even the fictional shark of jaws a run for its money.
Usually it’s the other way around because orcas have a gang (like sea wolves) but a large great white could easily do this to a lone killer whale. The megalodon did and their smaller cousins do.
Definitely not. Great whites on the larger end weigh about 1100 kg. Orcas weigh about 3 times that on average and 5 times that on the larger end. They may even have a stronger bite and are way smarter.. A great white isn't winning a fight against an Orca even 1 on 1.
@@daisakutetta1667 size and weight mean a lot. They mean more than anything else in animal fights. The weight difference is 3-5 times in this case. There is also a MASSIVE difference in intelligence. Orcas attack in pods because it's easier to takedown big prey like whales and protect the young. Even in a 1 on 1 nothing can beat an Orca.
@@daisakutetta1667 true. Sperm whales are big and dangerous and there defensive clicks are effective weapons. Pods of Orcas will usually stay away from bull sperm whales because they're aggressive and really strong. I'd assume a pod of orcas could kill one if they really wanted to.
Who wants to bet that the dead Orca in this movie was the filmmakers' response to one killing a Great White in the movie, Orca: The Killer Whale, from the year before?
Don’t Orcas usually travel in pods for hunting purposes. Also, when a shark is killed, it’s body release a pheromone that provokes an urge to flee in other sharks, but the sharks usually come back a year later. I know this movie was made years before any of that (along with the fact that Orcas hunt killer whites for their livers) was discovered. There’s a lot about the Jaws movies that requires a suspension of disbelief, however, and this was before they got to the shark coming off the screen at audiences
Scheider only did this movie to get out of his contract with Universal because he knew he would've been asked to be in Jaws 3 so he committed to Blunder Thunder in order to have nothing to do with it.
The sequel still was quite good imho. The first Jaws movie is pure Legend, especially Robert Shaw as Quint. The other Jaws-movies later were just pure trash and really bad.
@@nassauguy48 Yeah, the story of Part 4 really was crazy. 🤣 "The shark" who was killed three times then came back, killed Brody's son and the followed Mrs. Brody to the Bahamas... 😂. And in the final scene the shark was roaring like a Tyrannosaurus when it was killed in that very stange way (exploding although there were no explosives and impaled by the boat as far as I remember...)... . Total crap but the underwater scenes were quite nice and it was at least better to me then the even much more crappy 3D movie... . (I still can't understand why Dennis Quaid played in this "movie".) For the younger generations who haven't seen Jaws: First installment is really fantastic and has fantastic actors (especially Quint in my opinion aka Robert Shaw). Second one is not so very realistic that the same thing happens again with a giant Great White Shark... . But it is okay. The style is the same as in the first movie partly and Chief Brody was acting as good as ever. The rest is trash. Maybe fun with friends and some drinks... 😉
If the orca were attacked by a megaladon the orcas body wouldnt be nearly as intact as it is. It would be missing entire halves of its body at the very least
I am happy Jaws 2 is now more appreciated now and doesn't have the hate it had anymore because now it holds a fresh 60% on rotten tomtoes anything that's 60 or above is considered fresh. So now we have 2 Jaws films with fresh reviews. Jaws with 98 on rotten tomtoes and Jaws 2 with a 60.
@@user-vt5wo5wp8o it’s a great white. Yes it’s huge but jaws has always been a great white shark. Matt Hooper who is literally a marine biologist in the first film identified it as a great white. Never been a megalodon.
Thats a good point. In Orca they have the orca kill a shark in response to Jaws 1 success. So here they counter attack by having ashark kill an orca back.
Paralyzer230 I know right? Megalodons are extinct anyway so it doesn’t matter. Orcas are the true king of the seas. Only stupid shark fans would think otherwise.
Although it’s pretty doubtful a great white would kill a killer whale, the wounds look like it was attacked from underneath which is what a shark would do to disable it before it even knew they shark was coming, then attacked the side of the face as at the fatally injured orca flailed around and tried to react
It's known in South Africa orcas have begun to migrate to new areas and great whites immediately vacate the area when they arrive, orcas outsize them by a LOT in a one on one situation let alone orcas are pack hunters, great whites stand no chance against them.
I wonder if this was a subtle two-fingered salute to the makers of Orca (1977) for 'ripping' off the first Jaws?! Or just meant to give the shark some kind of incredible super-power for killing off something that usually predators it for the audience to buy in?
That's the whole POINT of this scene. That Jaws is not a typical great white, that he is huge and vicious in an abnormal way. This is a horror movie, not an ocean documentary.
I just don’t believe anything after this scene in terms of no one believing brody about the shark the thing literally has two gigantic circular bites out of it, even if it wasn’t a shark and perhaps something else they would absolutely have to take some sort of action and they never did...no fucking logic, also the whole sharks don’t take things personal is a reversal of these movies The sharks do have a conscience and do take things personal kinda scary to think about
You Orca Bros need to go and watch Orca. I think you all will like that better. Even though the megalodon is extinct it's a nice thought to know that they could easily kill a whole pod of Orcas
If there were a remake to Jaws i'd like to see Jake Gyllenhaal, to play the role Roy Sheider played as chief of police in Amity Island. Gyllenhaal, looks a bit like a young Sheider, in the mid and late '70's in the Jaws films.
That’s no question an orca would be the equivalent of a seal to a megalodon however sharks are the kings of the ocean while orcas are the knights of the ocean
@@thehorrorcounselors4747 No, the killer whale is the top predator of all the world's oceans combined, it's the great white shark's only enemy, which also makes it the most dominant animal in the sea. It's the ocean equivalent of humans on land, it's the king of the sea, it's the real sea king, or the real Poseidon, or the real King Triton of the animal world. It can even take down the world's largest carnivore the sperm whale and even the largest animal that ever lived the blue whale. And, it can also take down the top predator of the Arctic, the polar bear, and the top predator of Antartica, the leopard seal.
if i remember right threre type of whale bigger than Megalodon! so diffrent time same problem, Note: new stady say Megalodon not relate to white shark sorry for my bad english
If the great white have the aggression from the bull shark the appetite from the tiger shark and the size of the basking shark with 8.5 meters 28 feet maybe have the chance in the real life
Knowing what we know now about orcas, it makes this scene laughable. The idea of a great white shark getting the best of an orca is just downright ridiculous to us now.
It's not a shark it's Jaws. Like we know Michael Myers can't be shot numerous times, fall out of a window, and survive. Jason Vorhees would've been dead. It's not a shark it's a monster.
Maybe you should watch the movie and see that the sharks in the franchise have near-human intelligence and are the size of otodus obliquus and not the size of a great white, so no orca would have a chance of winning this fight. Congratulations on knowing what everyone above the age of 5 knows: a pod of animals can kill a lone animal.
@@jawsfanboy5309 Orca Whales are mammals, they are a lot more intelligent than fish, they also hunt in packs. There is no way a shark would attack them. In the movie ok it probably could. Its more of a megalodon than a shark in the movie.
Maybe because they're twice the size of the largest predatory shark and they hunt in packs? The shark in this movie is the same size as a killer whale, and if something like that existed in real life, it would obviously win the fight.
The fact that some people here are even debating the shark vs orca trope is hilarious to a studious academic such as myself. I've been studying the ocean for over 40 years, after numerous oceanic expeditions I can tell you now that ORCAS ARE GAY. *mic drop*
