All these people coming out and saying how poor Jay was.... Well, it's funny how he was continually voted Best Metal Drummer in alot of polls. Yes, Eloy for my own personal taste brings more flavour to the party but suggesting Jay is a crap drummer is so far wide of the mark it's unbelievable. They're both incredibly talented artists and I can only hope to be 1/10th of what either of them are.
I agree. While I prefer Eloy for the spot the Jay slander is a bit uncalled for. The guy held it up decently for quite a long while and now suddenly he's "crap"?
I remember when he first came into the band and everyone started saying the same BS about Joey, pretty sure even if they got Niel Pert himself to fill the position they would still start slagging him off the moment his replacement came into the picture
@@severihanninen334 Seriously? Modern Drummer’s Best Drummer Award in 2017, 2020, 2022, and 2023 Readers Poll. Best "Rock Drummer” in Modern Drummer’s 2017, 2020, 2022, and 2023 Readers Polls.... I suppose you get those if you are distinctly average then?! Don't get me wrong. I'm no Jay fanboy. But I certainly recognise talent when I see and hear it. And by the looks of it, so do hundreds of thousands of others.
@cmo5150Absolutely - this discussion is disgusting. Kids need to read about other drummers supporting and giving cred where it's due. Both amazing drummers. One just happens to be some crazy athlete on the kit. Can we just acknowledge that both are awesome and have worked really hard. Drummers communities like this make me sick. People literally diss you if you say something kind about Jay but then Eloy isn't attributed his compliments so "eff you man" you're just a sook. Like are we 8 years old??
Ah ah, Eloy is just a bit above avarage. You cannot compare Eloy even with Alex Bent, from Trivium, or Greyson Nekrutman, his replacement in Sepultura, who are more versitile in technique. I just keep my mouth shut and do not mention virtuosa prog metal drummers.
@@MrJetDevil Bruh. Eloy's base drum education is from Brazilian rhythms, making him very versatile in many percussive styles, and he literally has a instrumental prog/jazz duo called Casagrande & Hanysz.
He’s a machine. He’s not human. It gives me goosebumps to see a big difference between an already legendary drummer jay and Eloy. Eloy hits harder, has perfect form, plays cleaner while also hitting ghost notes 🤯🤯
I feel people don't even know what exactly Eloy can do. He was a lot stuck in terms of technique showing in Sepultura, dude can go toe to toe with any prog drummer and he can still play jazz and folk rythms such as samba in a level not achievable by most.
I wouldn't say stuck, but the huge majority of the hits from Sepultura were obviously written by Igor so he hadn't much to show of his own. Quadra is an insane album though, Eloy really shines there.
Eloy is just so much cleaner…it’s his strength and conditioning. Look at his build versus Jay. That doesn’t always give you an advantage, but with this band, it means everything.
It seems like he uses heavier sticks. His notes are very punchy, Jay's are lighter. Eloy really plays with higher dynamics overall. The drums really pop but he better be physically prepared
Jay is really good, but Eloy is something different completely. Nobody comes close to his combination of style, creativity, power, speed, precision, and timing. Nobody.
@@bojanstojanovic5465 Joey is a hero of mine. He along with The Rev were the reason I got into drumming as a teen in the mid 00s, but Joey had very little power. His speed and creativity were his superpowers! One of the greatest composers of all time as well. But I believe Eloy is his equal in those things.
@@bojanstojanovic5465nah joeys great but Eloy is leagues above in terms of skill and technical ability. Let’s see if he writes good parts for their next album
@@campar1043 what skill, when most things are played by what Joey created and which are also the best?Joey played with Metallica, Korn, Satyricon, Rob Zombie... what bands did Eloy play with besides Sepultura?
Is a cool comparison. Feel like both of them have rather opposing virtues to their playing. Eloy has the better groove, much more consistent tempo, and much more strength and intensity in his playing. The two things Eloy lacks of Joey’s playing is volume dynamics and the intentionally looser push and pull of tempo (especially in fills and during buildups) that gives Slipknot’s music that feeling of anxiety and madness its famous for. Because of those qualities, his playing remarks more towards slipknots earlier live performances, where joey was a more straight forward yet groovier player then later in slipknot’s career; tho somewhat cranked up in power and more consistent in tempo even, in eloy’s case. Jay, is often rushing in tempo; especially with his feet, which throws off the groove at times. That said, his playing is a bit more intricate and embellished then Eloy’s, and is closer to Joey’s in dynamics; giving his playing a more cinematic sound then Eloy’s. Tho he doesn’t nail the push and pull as well as Joey did, he does integrate it more in his playing then Eloy does, making his sound closer to Slipknot’s later live performances with Joey; when joey was less consistent and a bit sloppy, but also more intricate and dynamically cinematic in his playing. Ultimately, Joey falls somewhere between Eloy and Jay stylistically. That said, I do think Eloy adds an energy and focus that slipknot has been lacking since the later years with Joey, and that energy could revitalize and inspire the band as a whole. Looking forward to the new material from them and Eloy. Gonna be heavy, i bet!
Maybe Eloy doesn't have the same push and pull, but to say he doesn't have the same volume dynamics? The guy's snare drum is more haunted than most mansions in horror films on account of the number of ghost notes he plays... that *is* an example of volume dynamics.
Jay obviously got better overtime, that clip is from 2014. His double bass improved so much as he went on with the band. But Eloy is still on a different level
Yeah, it's pretty lame all the slander both him and Joey are receiving now. I tell ya, some fans ain't 💩. I like Eloy, but lets see how long they keep him around. 😂
Comparing these drummers is like comparing Eric Clapton and Jason Becker. They’re both great in their own way and own style. Eloy is an utter technical and tempo beast, plus he hits like a sledge hammer . I think Jay was technically good, not a heavy hitter like Eloy and his style would suit a looser style of music that fits his more loose around the edges playing.
One question: how late in the performance is jays video. If Jay is two to three hours into a show he needs some grace. He’s basically running a marathon every night. Endurance is a feat.
Jay is very good but because he was going too fast it lost groove. Eloy has groove. Also Jay sometimes wrote very straightforward drum parts that were a little boring at time, especially in .5 album. Curious to hear what Eloy does. Hopefully they go back to a more organic sound like Iowa
As someone who doesn’t know much about drums I don’t notice any difference except that Eloy seems to hit harder. But that might as well be due to the sound quality of the videos. Other than that it sounds pretty much the same
Jay was great while he was there but definitely you can hear how he rushed all his beats and is sloppy at times. What can be said about Eloy is he a fucking timing beast and is adding flavor with the goddamn ghost notes. No rushing just perfect timing and class. Glad he joined Slipknot! Can’t wait for new music!!! 💪🏽
I love Eloy, I mean, he's one of my top 3 fav drummers, Joey, him and II from Sleep Token (his snare is the best) and I freaking love Jay as well. Kinda miss him in slipknot ngl but Eloy's technique is clean.
I would really enjoy a video like this, but instead of then just picking up where each other left off you just did straight up side-by-side comparisons of the exact same part of the song instead of different parts of this song if that makes sense I would actually like to see a side-by-side comparison of how they’re playing certain filmsthey you know conducting themselves and stuff like that
I am continuously amazed at Eloy’s cleanness and speed, but he’s playing with twice the stick height as any drummer and hitting that shit hard af. Dude defies the laws of physics in the best way 😂😮
Not fair to say one is better than the other. They are both fucking insanely amazing players with their own style and flavor. I do feel Eloy is a better fit for sk. But can't take anything from Jay. But damn Eloy is a beast.
Eloy's playing feels like it's at the correct tempo, last time I saw slipknot was with Jay and it just felt like they were rushing through the songs. Hope I get to see them again with Eloy!
Somehow I wasn’t sold on the sound of the Tama Terminator snare until I heard Eloy play slipknot with it. I liked the sound, but hearing how much better it sounds than that wack ass 50 ply SJC that Jay was using, it’s just… *chef’s kiss*
It seems that difference is in record or in types of drums or smthng else, but not in their skills. For me they both are geniuses of drums. Eloy's record sounds cleaner cause of clearer snare.
I cant imagine being a paid drummer that has such sloppy footwork. Jay leans forward during the double bass parts like a gamer that leans forward in their gaming chair when things get tough. Meanwhile Eloy, same pose throughout.
O Joey provalmente tocava com click (metronomo), o Jay era visível que ele não tocava com click, por isso ele acelerava, assisti vários vídeos do Jay e percebia que a velocidade de algumas músicas oscilava e chegava a embolar as viradas rápidas. O Eloy sempre usou click, no primeiro show já deu pra perceber que a banda estava tocando no tempo, em alguns momentos parecia que o eloy estava fora, mas não, era os os percussionista que estavam tocando fora do tempo, o Eloy já melhorou a velocidade da banda, tocando pesado e bem definido, Joey e Jay são fodas, mas o Eloy vai elevar o nível técnico do slipknot, aguardemos....
Eloy does not use a click, a trigger, or a metronome, for two reasons, he does not need them because he has total hearing, and although they may not realize it, Eloy must make small time variations, because the rest of the bands, although If they use click, they still can't keep the corresponding time
Anyone who serves time in Slipknot is incredible and many drummers could not make the grade. Jay was great, but Eloy is just out there all on his own. It is apples and oranges comparison - you can like either.
Jay is fast as hell, but not so defined. Eloy is a hard-hitting dude, and that helps to have a more defined beat, that stick more to Joey Jordison's style...
Was never a Jay fan. He's an 80s drummer trying to keep up. Eloy Is a modern drummer with all the technicality that comes with it. Curious if behind the scenes Jay single handedly crippled the new music being made. I think Slipknot still has some bangers in the arsenal.
Jay is an excllent drummer, very techincal indeed good fucking flow too. Nothing wrong with his drumming what so ever. But just cant hit as hard. Thats all. Its like Chris Adler that man was fluent for Lamb of God. So dam smooth and fucking quick, and dam his performance at download 2008 was perfect. But Art is just a beast hard hit mf, yeah not that techincal but shit his written some sick drums for three fantastic albums with LOG. I cant wait hear Eloy in the studio with Slipknot its going to sound heavy af. Different voices for different choices. Thats all nothing wrong with either of them every drummer has their different styles and variations just like all musicans out there.
Jay has more heart. Way more impressed with Jay. As a human and a drummer. Slipknot has lost their way unfortunately. They become the barcodes they wore. I'll always have love for Slipknot....not Slipknot INC
I think Jay is a better overall drummer. Eloy seems cool, though. I guess it's important to some people how hard he hits his drums. Shrug. I don't care who the drummer is, so... Jay or Eloy? Whoever the guys want in the band.
I'll admit I don't know much about Slipknot's new drummer and I wouldn't say I'm the biggest Jay Weinberg fan, but to me his performance seems better. Idk... maybe it's because the hair flips bring a bit more energy or something lol
The beast that be Eloy was born with drum sticks in his hands very unfair to judge anyone against him tbh slipknot now have a real animal at its beating heart the man has insane energy an hits as hard as mike tyon in his prime. I can't wait for the new album an live shows slipknot are reborn imo.💪🤙🤙💪
You could bring the “best metal drummer “ in the world , it doesn’t matter if he doesn’t fit and merge with the band. Eloy is great and all but he will never fill the void Joey left . Neither did jay but at least you could tell he fit the band in terms of style and playing live. If he really sucks, he wouldn’t have stayed in Slipknot for 10 years right?
The sound on Jay does him no favours but great drummer. Don’t believe me listen to his stuff with the E Street band and then again with Against Me. Eloy certainly hits harder and like most modern drummers has a lot of foot power but whether he will live up to what Jay has done is wait and see for me though a lot of people seem to have decided after a few shows but I am sure most will never have played a paradiddle or a flam drag so I doubt I’ll be looking to them for an opinion.
