JBL 708P Master Reference Monitor Review

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@ErinsAudioCorner 3 года назад

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@TheJBLProfessional 2 года назад

Thanks for the great review, Erin! Glad to hear you're enjoying it.

@pioferro 3 года назад

I use these at work pretty much everyday w/ a pair of 10" subs - they're just phenomenal! Thanks for the review Erin!

@chrisvinicombe9947 3 года назад

Compression data is really usful for those of us that like long loud sessions. Thanks Erin.

@ErinsAudioCorner 3 года назад

It really is!

@exif6839 3 года назад

Awesome! The features of this speaker and all over performance are well engineered.

@daftcombo4402 3 года назад

Great review! Thanks Erin.

@richardvedvik979 3 года назад

Nice video, Erin. I suspect the woofer dust cap is resonating and creating those peaks around 600-850Hz. The EQ on that thing is amazing and I appreciate the separate speaker vs room EQ options. However, a Q of 16 would be more useful in a 1/24th octave adjustment!

@mazuroo 2 года назад

Distortion is often perceived as loudness; remove the distortion and reduce fatigue. The 708P is very much a tiny M2. If you put the M2, the 708 and the 705 in a row and switched between at a modest listening level; you'd be hard pressed to tell which one you were auditioning.

@thebusinessend1 Год назад

That what I was told by Sean Olive, he told me if you dont need the output of the M2 get the 708 or 705. Been debating in swapping over to powered for the HT its just a PIA to rewire everything along with adding power behind the screen.

@mazuroo Год назад

@@thebusinessend1 Sean is a great guy!

@cschwacofer 3 года назад

More great work Erin!

@ErinsAudioCorner 3 года назад

Thank you!! 😊

@sampluta 2 года назад

Great review. I have these and love them. I feel like you can hear music that was mixed on JBLs on these because they sound just right with certain pro pop mixes. Question: How are you mounting the speaker? That looks like exactly what I want to do.

@pliedtka 3 года назад

The DSP tuning capabilities on them is WOW, sweet. Generally I feel the JBLs are voiced too treble happy, but with a bit of DSP in action one can knock the highs down and level the little peaks in the midrange if they are annoying. Nice piece of engineering.

@keepingupwiththejones2933 3 года назад

You can rely on the objective data so you won't have to rely on my subjective opinion. Shots fired🔥. Mic drop halfway through the video😅🤣

@ErinsAudioCorner 3 года назад

💯

@josegazal701 3 года назад

So horn loaded compression tweeters have an advantage as speakers dynamic compression is concerned. Great data. Thanks!

@Mike-Ch 2 года назад

I lived with a pair of these for six months and enjoyed them very much. I ultimately sold them as my main speakers (LX521.4) did more things better. Thanks for the excellent review.

@mikealanlee 3 года назад

Very cool channel!!!!

@okay1904 Год назад

your channel is very valuable.

@vinnytube1001 3 года назад

If you get a chance to try out Neumann's studio monitors, I'd love to see that review. The KH 310 is the closest to the 708P here.

@downersup2 2 года назад

Hi Erin, I’ve seen all your JBL Synthesis reviews and thinks all of them are outstanding! Can you, or have you tested/heard the SCL-2 in-walls?! I’m so interested in getting them for my LCRs but can’t find any reviews or anywhere to audition them!?

@IrenESorius 3 года назад

Ok midfield speakers in combination with a miniDSP/DIRAC. As usual Erin,, thanks and thanks again. 👍‍‍👍‍‍

@thebusinessend1 Год назад

I was chatting with Sean Olive and he said SQ wise this is super close to the m2 and if you didn't need the output these would be his pick for HT setup. our theater rooms pretty small about 15'x25'. Just curious you noted these wouldnt be great for HT. What would you recommend in a price range under 8k for LCR?

@kinglaforest5769 3 года назад

i like what you do

@chahahc 3 года назад

AAAAAHHHHH FINALLY SOMEONE DOING PROPER MEASUREMENTS.

@mathieufleury6787 3 года назад

I have a pair of the small brother (705p) I c'ant be happier with it. With the 7 serie you can't go wrong. I wonder when JBL will release a 7 serie sub woofer.

@MrPolaris800crew 2 года назад

The speaker keeps a flatline in the long term compression mainly due to the Woofers extensive cooling, it has massive heatsinks.

@droidzhunterz6861 2 года назад

Would the passive version be good for home theater?

@bhaveshmistry3255 Год назад

Hello Erin! I like your studio monitors reviews. You are truly a technical sounding person. I need your help regarding the JBL705P I have hear this monitors and I really impressed with the performance so surprised that small speakers but big sound and super clean. I love this monitors a lot but I am confused because this speakers are not really popular in my country like a Genelec/Focal/Nueman brand. How do you compare with this brands? I am so surprised that why this speakers are not so popular I don’t it’s a marketing issue or any other failure. I am getting a good deal on this and speaker are old stock it’s a box pack so can I go ahead with this? Last question how is the after sells services like in future In case anything goes wrong with this then JBL provide the parts? For me it will be long time investment. It would be great help if you guide me on this. Thank you! 🙏

@JayDay285 Год назад

I’ve had them for 5 years. I ended up in a bigger room so I was looking to pair them with a sub. I purchased (2) different 12 inch subs that couldn’t keep up with them. I then used both subs together before returning them to see if that would work and they still… couldn’t keep up with the 708 P’s. Ended up with a KRK SHO in order to get the job done. I could run 2 SHO’s and the JBl’s would hang with them ( The KRK SHO is no Slouch). I’ve never heard these monitors flinch once in the 5 years that I’ve had them. When I A/B them against my other sets the only way for me to describe them is the sound of the other monitors seemed to “push” out at me. The 708p’s “pull” you in. I guess that’s what some would consider depth.

@bassfan71 11 месяцев назад

Does the class D amp hiss to the same degree as the JBL LSR308s do?

@keepingupwiththejones2933 3 года назад

The Tshirt game has been on point lately. 🔥

@ErinsAudioCorner 3 года назад

Haha! Glad you like 'em. :) You know, I was voted "best dressed" in 4th grade by my classmates. So, I guess it's just something I've always been good at. 😂😂😂

@DerJEM 3 года назад

Happy to see that jbl still knows how to make good speakers (at least in the pro section). I own some jbl4328p for more then 10 years and still very happy with them (bought the set Back then, 2 speakers + mic + remote). Tried to replace them but I have a hard time finding anything on the market with same features in that price range. But I must admit, can't find any good measurements for these speakers online, so it's all subjective.

@anaxa4883 3 года назад

Erin, can you specify which frequency range the 'midrange suckout' occurs from near wall nearfield listening you mentioned in this video?

@ErinsAudioCorner 3 года назад

Doing the math, assuming the speaker was right up next to the wall... Speaker depth is 11.5 inches. Round trip is 22 inches. Speed of sound divided by 22 inches puts the first half-wavelength at about 300Hz. So the first null would be at around 300Hz. The combing pattern would continue with a peak/dip combo up until probably around 900Hz. You would also get boundary reinforcement below this 300Hz region so that would add about 6dB to frequencies below this. Using a few filters would smooth this out. Theoretically, of course. Actual placement would naturally vary and the frequencies would shift a bit. But that should put you in the ballpark.

@anaxa4883 3 года назад

@@ErinsAudioCorner Wow I had no idea. Thank you. I think a lot of people listen this way and it would be good content if someone like ASR or yourself did an objective analysis of this type of setup and ways to improve it. The biggest problem I notice with having speakers on a desk up against a wall is the horrible room modes that occur between the standard 8.5' ceiling and desktop.

@75dB 2 года назад

Anyone know of anyone that has done a full surround set up with these in a small to moderate size?

@w3rdnama1 2 месяца назад

Yes.

@melangkoh4184 2 года назад

hello erin, do you think a untrained listener, that never owned really decent spealers, can tell the difference between the 305s and 705s? Would he be able to choose which one is better?

@ErinsAudioCorner 2 года назад

I think so, yes.

@NakeanWickliff 3 года назад

I'm curious why such a glowing review on these vs the lesser jbl305P speakers. They are voiced very similarly with perhaps a 1-2db increase in the treble that could be shelved at 1khz. I remembered you mentioned a resonance in the 305's but it appears this speaker has the same thing going. Just curious.

@ErinsAudioCorner 3 года назад

I addressed this in the opening of this video. Here's the timestamp link: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-typzkrkqOt0.html

@NakeanWickliff 3 года назад

@@ErinsAudioCorner ahh, so maybe just the copy you had? I think there have been many people talking about that resonance on forums too, however. I have been really impressed with it over the many years I’ve had it.

@ErinsAudioCorner 3 года назад

@@NakeanWickliff I’ve read many other reports of the same issue from other owners, unfortunately.

@user-hu4ez6ew2q 3 года назад

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@maximboe 3 года назад

Would you prefer these over Focal Twin6 Be's (with sub integration)?

@ErinsAudioCorner 3 года назад

Yes. I’d take the 708p. For sound. But also because of the room EQ options it has built-in.

@ErinsAudioCorner 3 года назад

Haha. I hear you. 👍

@viperracing2889 2 года назад

You often say that the speaker you've tested isn't suitable for home theater, even this very expensive one with high dynamic capabilities. That brings the question; what are some great home theater speakers, for people on a budget and perhaps only an AVR to power them? Personally, I've been considering something like the Kali 2nd Wave IN-series, or perhaps the Polk Reserve-series or maybe the Monitor Audio Silver-series, but it seems like actually no speaker have sufficient dynamic/output capabilities, atleast not if THX (105dB @ 4 meter in my case) is the goal. Especially considering how much the frequency response can change at higher output, and how much all manufacturers seem to exaggerate the Max SPL spec.

@ErinsAudioCorner 2 года назад

I think it really just comes down to output needs. If you're an engineer mixing in the nearfield at 2 feet and trying to hit 100dB peaks then that's completely different than sitting 12 feet away. And that's where the distinction needs to be made and understood from a consumer perspective. I can't tell people where the hardline is for every case but the data should act as a guide to help them better understand the potential limitations with their specific case in mind.

@viperracing2889 2 года назад

@@ErinsAudioCorner Maybe I'll hook up my UMIK-1/laptop/REW to find out what levels I'm actually listening at. I'm considering the Arendal 1961-series at the moment. Hopefully those will do. Considering the microscopic crap-speakers I'm using now, the Arendals will probably do ok.

@bilguana11 3 года назад

I was considering the 705Ps. Have you heard them?

@mathieufleury6787 2 года назад

they are amazing. what would be the use?

@bilguana11 2 года назад

@@mathieufleury6787 Desktop computer monitors. I upgrade to the HEDD Type 05 after trying the HEDD Type 05 MK II's. The ladder had great detail but was too harsh to listen to because of their DSP.

@mathieufleury6787 2 года назад

@@bilguana11 I've never heard HEDD but hey look good. If uou prefer speaker Without DSP you can try psi a17. those are graat speakers as well.

@maxrockbin 3 года назад

Rear Porting: Is it really worse than front porting for near wall use?? Genelec says that their rear ported monitors should be 5 - 60cm (2 - 24" about) from the rear wall. Not more! And closer to 5cm is probably better. They argue it helps prevent cancelation. Genelecs test about as well as anything out there. Neumann tests similarly and have front ports. So ??

@ErinsAudioCorner 3 года назад

Some speakers are designed to be placed near a wall (and some have the DSP built-in to make adjustments for said placement). But, generally speaking, placing a rear ported speaker right next to a wall will block the vent from venting properly.

@SDX9000 3 года назад

I would follow manufacturer recommendation. Especially if it is a manufacturer like Genelec. Don't put rear port flush against the wall and you are almost certain to be OK. Also Genelec makes special boxes to flush-mount Genelec Ones despite their rear ports. So there is a solution even for extreme cases :)

@maxrockbin 3 года назад

@@SDX9000 But in general, are rear ports fundamentally different on different speakers? For example, Genelec's recommendation is for the port to be very close to the wall - as long as it's more than 2". But for a similarly sized speaker with what you'd think would be a similar rear port - the Revel M105 - I think 3 ft is recommended. That's just at the edge of the "avoid" distance for genelec. Is it somehow possible the ports have opposite phase? That would swap the reinforce vs cancel distances, I think.

@SDX9000 3 года назад

@@maxrockbin I am not 100% sure, but the answer should be "Yes". "Avoid" distances are often driven by destructive reflections caused by the wall, not so much by the port (check Neumann guidelines for monitor positioning). I personally like front ports to eliminate this question, but then again at port frequencies all speakers are omnidirectional in dispersion, so it shouldn't bother you as long as you do not get port air-flow noises from the wall.

@larstofastrud1788 2 года назад

@@maxrockbin "But in general, are rear ports fundamentally different on different speakers?" No, they are not. "For example, Genelec's recommendation is for the port to be very close to the wall - as long as it's more than 2". But for a similarly sized speaker with what you'd think would be a similar rear port - the Revel M105 - I think 3 ft is recommended." There might be different choises made when tuning the two systems. The Revel has a -3dB @ 60 Hz. It makes me wonder if it is designed with a hump to give the impression of bass, so maybe it is exaggerated by being close to boundaries. "Is it somehow possible the ports have opposite phase?" No. If that happened, there would be a huge cancelation of bass and the whole idea of a ported system would be void.

@LIMuscleBlackdevil 2 года назад

Wow... many aspects of this speaker are better than the M2

@bakulg1131 Год назад

This or JBL 4329P?

@ErinsAudioCorner Год назад

I think I like the 4329P more.

@natesnautical 2 года назад

Great review, but a bit too long ;)

@jmporkbob 3 года назад

Space Shot shirt next?

@ErinsAudioCorner 3 года назад

Haha... man, it has been over two decades since I have been on that thing. Is it even still there?

@jmporkbob 3 года назад

@@ErinsAudioCorner It's there, but not open due to covid. I think they've changed the name of it, too, actually.

@kuglepen64 3 года назад

Hyped treble is a disease across all of audio: Recording, mixing, mastering, playback devices, speakers & headphones. It’s the cheapest device to grab attention with, and the most tiring.

@lamenamethefirst 3 года назад

A lot of modern records are way too sharp. Great detail but not pleasant.

@freethinksman4393 2 года назад

Then you should appreciate these. The fact that they sound bright to some people would mean that people mixing on them will be fooled into thinking their mixes are on the bright side. That said, at midfield distances (6' ish) I don't find them to be offensively bright. Lots of other speakers I have used are brighter.

@davidfuller581 3 года назад

No surprise these are excellent. I just can't get over the goofy looking waveguide/horn and grill. It looks like a cheap PA speaker.

@ErinsAudioCorner 3 года назад

Yea, the waveguide doesn't bother me but that perforated metal on the midwoofer looks cheesy to me.

@davidfuller581 3 года назад

@@ErinsAudioCorner While I've got you here - would you by chance consider checking out the Focal Alpha Evo series? New release and there's very little on them. I know B&H is a Focal dealer, so you may be able to get a pair through them.

@chrisvinicombe9947 3 года назад

They are tools for pro's not furniture. I think they look serious

@davidfuller581 3 года назад

@@chrisvinicombe9947 I mean, I am a pro, I literally do it for work. My KH310s and even the Barefoot Footprint01s I used to own look a lot nicer. Clients give a shit about that stuff, believe it or not.

@ErinsAudioCorner 3 года назад

@@davidfuller581 The Focal are on the list. Not sure when I'll have a chance to get to them, though. I'm about to switch gears soon toward a different category of speakers.

@barneyrubble8255 3 года назад

Not much to say by the mixing community about these on line. I guess nobody can afford them, except the guys who dont share online.

@SDX9000 3 года назад

I am surprised that this sample did not have any noticeable hiss? Hiss has been noted in the JBL 705P by multiple reviewers, so either they upgraded the internals or what gives? Also I am concerned about JBL quality control. According to the JBL spins and even some 3rd party measurements both 705 and 708 should be almost perfectly flat (DSP correction after all), but this sample and multiple 705P samples that Amir measured have anomalies which you would not expect to see on a high priced Neumann or Genelec speaker. It is hard to trust a company when I do not have facilities to confirm what my sample is doing and there are all of these unexplained measurements on the internet. If you would go nuts and measure 5 different 708P speakers and they all would show the same problems, consistently, then it would be as great buy as you say. But I am afraid that another 708P will have a different defect.