Very informative. The dealership had to realign my JL the other day and when I drove home I found my steering wheel to be way out of alignment. When I told them about the crooked steering wheel they told me to come back in 4 days to make the adjustment. Having no desire to go back to the dealership again and thanks to great videos like this, I made the adjustment myself. Thanks!
We're so glad to hear you say as much. I know they may not be the most entertaining videos out there but we felt they might be something that could be useful to others. :)
We used to spin the tire and hold a scribe against the tire to make a line around it then measure the toe. Now, if we have bare wheels available we use them to measure. Either way is easier than trying to make sure you have the same tread block on each tire. If you want to use a tread block, use only one on each tire and move it 180* to measure the front and back.
This is invaluable information. For experienced folks that have forgotten or get complacent and for new owners that just don’t know, this will save a lot of headache and frustration. Probably one of the best tech videos yet.
Wow . Definitely going to look into that . Thanks for the video. Please keep posting informational videos like this , I think many of us rather watch videos that would educate us ,than just seeing videos of off-roading adventures, even thou they are cool . I hope others agree with me
Don't know how many others would agree as we're far from being the hottest thing on RU-vid but we're glad to know that we can help others out with our videos :)
That easy to check & set toe, I had no idea! Thought you needed state of the art computer equipment for that. Thanks for another great & super informative video!
Now this video pops up. Could have used it yesterday. Installed a lift. And didn’t know it was going to throw those codes with the steering wheel off to the left. Made the adjustments and she is all good now.
Basic knowledge but what a comprehensive review! Made my wife watch so that when our steering components need replacing she won't freak out. We wheel pretty hard too!
Jim is just a great guy and really knows his stuff! Just installed ProRock 44 with Dynatrac ball joints... made in USA Quality 🇺🇸 thanks for the great informative video (as always)... Wayalife is the best RU-vid channel for Jeep tech!
The tip about putting your finger on the joint is a great one. I haven’t seen that one before. The snow at the end brings back some scary memories. Difficult driving.
LOL - I think we were literally the only ones still out on the road aside from the 2 snow plows that passed us coming the other way. We didn't get home till about 2am. Tough drive for sure. Regarding the finger on the joint trick, glad we could share that with you.
Thanks for the great videos. My new 2021 Ecodiesel Wrangler had been wandering. Added the Synergy track bar/steering box brace (and it helped), but still felt like it had a mind of its own. Measured the toe & it was actually toe’d out 1/16”. Using your video I toe’d it in 1/16th and it made all the difference in the world. Thank you!
Thanks for this, just added the steer smart sector shaft brace, and we somehow screwed up the steering wheel in the process, Was going to take it to an alignment shop, not needed anymore!
Thank you so much for making and uploading this video. I now know that I can measure AND adjust the toe with my old Jeep ZJ jacked up, and learned how to center the steering wheel. I've replaced the springs and all suspension components. Including Control arms Track bar ball joints etc and installed a mild 2" lift. I increased the caster and now on to do the toe adjustment. Thanks again.
Great video. Awesome explanation of how that all works. Good tip with the finger as well. I remember just rocking the wheel and hoping to see something.
Thanks so much for this video! I have been dealing with the looseness of the steering on my JL forever. I just discovered the exact same issue in the drag link. Very loose and popping felt in the joint. I have never done hard core off roading as you have, just light trails. These parts are weak, now I have something to go on. Thanks Eddie!
I think a lot of people are experiencing the same issues and that's a big part of why we decided to make this video. Glad that you found it to be useful.
@@wayalife Where where you that you caught snow close to southern California ? Hi Jinx, that's why some people feel the need to go to one ton or aftermarket hd parts.
Great info since I will be purchasing my Dynatrac pro rock 44 in the future. Thanks. Yes I'm sure we would all like to have Jim work on all our Jeeps. He has some serious knowledge.
I doubt it. The cost is substantial especially being that you'd have to get new wheels with a different bolt pattern to run them. Of course, that would mean you'd need to run wheel adapters in the rear as well and your ball joints would be under a lot more stress causing them to fail sooner than later.
Hi this is RedRex1 awesome video always learning from you Eddie watching your video are very useful because knowing the Offroad equipment we put on our jeeps, and what to look for that may help others, in same or similar situations, thanks Eddie
Any chance you are doing a meet and greet with any of your subscribers? I could bring a bottle of Honey Jack or Wild Turkey American Honey to be a part of the tradition. We are super excited to hit the trails and experience EJS.
Glad I could be of help! Here's a write-up I did to help out as well wayalife.com/showthread.php/56571-WRITE-UP-Basic-DIY-Jeep-JL-Wrangler-FRONT-END-ALIGNMENT
I really enjoyed this video. Was very informational and I liked to see the adjustment of the drag link and tie rod as well. I learned some things today for my Jeep. Keep up the great work.
Thank You for posting this video. Like many of your other videos it was super informative and helpful. I really appreciate your attention to detail. Keep it up!!
Unless you've bent or damaged your tie-rod, there really should be no reason to set your toe as it shouldn't have changed. We only needed to do this because we installed a new axle.
Your videos are awesome and I have enjoyed your channel over the years. thanks for all the positive contributions to the Jeep community. I don’t thing there are many people who have done so much for jeepers as you and Cindy. Keep winning man.
Check everything out but even a brand new vehicle with a solid front axle can do this. It's the nature of the beast. Maybe you hit a jiggly spot in the road that you've never hit before. Tree roots pushing up the road are my favorite (not).
Nice job on the video. I also like to use a paint pen and mark my fasteners, especially steering and suspension, so you can see if anything changes at a quick glance. Mike
Again, awesome video ! What are your thoughts now on ball joint delete kits, American Iron etc. Lots of videos from when they first came out. I think you did these too??
Nah, not me. After seeing them in person and how they break, I am NOT a fan of them. www.wayalife.com/threads/in-the-shop-disciple-off-road.63031/page-18#post-1346577
Please can you give the difference from the front and back side again, then I can convert it to cm and also use it. Very nice film and clear explanation. Super thanks from the Netherlands
This video is very informational ! Thank you so much for putting videos up like this. Question, Any other reason why the anti lock brakes would come off? is it mainly the steering and drag link issue? Because its not centered?
The main reason for the brake assist to kick in is because your steering wheel is off center. This will make your Jeep's computer think that you're in a slide.
Very educational, thank you! Keep making them Eddie!! One question for you, what was your final measurements front and back? The last measurements I heard was 68 5/8's.
Great video, very educational about suspension maintenance. I've really enjoyed the whole series with Jim McGean! What are some of the symptoms/issues on road at speed with too much toe in?
@@wayalife Thank you! I just recently relocated the steering stabilizer and had to remove my drag link in the process. After putting everything back together my steering wheel was off center, but thanks to your video I already knew how to fix it. Unfortunately I didn't correct it before the Service Stability Control System warning came on...so now I just have to wait for it to turn back off.
Old video so I realize there may not be a response... but it seems that measuring Toe in inches will be affected by tire diameter.... that is, 1/16 on a smaller vs larger tire produces a different angle.... perhaps it's not significant enough to make a difference here....
This is what happening to my jeep lately kind a off 1degree to the right and also when ai try to turn left to right you hear weird noises in between while turning the steering
I'm glad I saw this video. My new used jeep has been given me those problems he was talking about. I do have a question, how can I tell if my used jeep has a lift? I need new struts or shocks and I don't want to get the wrong ones.
@@wayalife thanks for getting back to me. I have a 2013 wrangler sport 2 dr. It looks like it might have a body lift to me because the body looks to be higher then the frame.
The bolt/ clamp that you loosen on the pitman arm to adjust your steering wheel position, after adjusting the steering to a straight position what do you torque the bolt to, to clamp it down tightly
Do i need alignment if i only did 2 inch mopar lift kit with front and rear adjustable trackbar or no? I thought you only need alignment when changing tie rod. Please reply asap thanks.
Other than taking your money, an alignment shop can only make adjustments IF you have adjustable components. With a 2" lift, the only thing you will NEED to do is make sure your steering wheel is recentered and you can do that with ease, in your driveway, in about 2 minutes and just using a 15mm wrench. I have a write-up for that here wayalife.com/showthread.php/56571-WRITE-UP-Basic-DIY-Jeep-JL-Wrangler-FRONT-END-ALIGNMENT
Great information, always appreciate it. The only part I’m not clear on is the measurements for the toe in adjustment. I have 35” 12.50 w tires on my JLUS. Where can I find the measurements I need for this size ? Or where can I find this information? Your help is greatly appreciated! Thank you!
It would be different with every Jeep being that most run different tires and where you measure from will change what you need to set things at. Ultimately, you want about 1/16" to 1/8" at MOST toe-in
Great vid, sir...i was doing a 5 tire rotation on my 2020 Rubicon (4500 miles) with oem suspension/tires and noticed the front looked toed out. Brought it back into the toe-in you guys recommended (3/32" - 1/8") but noticed that you didn't torque the adjuster bracket nut when you tightened. It's 34 ft-lbs, correct? Thanks...
Oh man, thanks for this video. We just bought our JLUR, and we are experiencing loose stearing. Is there anything other than the drag link to check out? How did you fix the looseness he pointed out?
