Exactly. It's a high end Jeep. But it's still a Jeep. Another example of forgetting to look at who your customer base is. If people wanted a hemi powered 5 seat luxury vehicle, there is the TRX or the 392 Wrangler. This thing doesn't look like what the old Wagoneer was. Something you threw in your surfboards or your guns and hunting dog and took off over the trails to surf or picnic or hunt and then you come home, clean it up and take it across country and you can camp in it or take it camping along the way. No this thing looks like it goes to the mall to get Sephora, is a pain to take through Starbucks and it goes across country but camping means staying at Marriott instead of Hilton.
Don’t buy a car in Wisc, it’s legal to sell used lemons law cars here. And one dealer I know with 18 locations sells a majority of lemon law used cars , they buy dozens a week from auctions and resell them !!
I was a car hauler for ten years, we had 21 trucks and hauled dozens of lemon law cars a week for a dealer who purchased them from Auctions, 90% of the lemon law cars where Jeep/Chrysler/Dodge/Ram
I really like the Grand Wagoneer L. I think it’s a good product. Brought two so far and so far both have been going well I myself was skeptical of the six cylinder but tons of power lots of torque it’s a good engine and comfort wise. You can’t beat these things. They’re just nice and wide quiet sound systems. Fantastic with the McIntosh. I think you need to drive one for a while a hard loaded grand Wagoneer L I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised. Jeep should do some ride and drive events like they do at Rolls Royce. Put some people in these things let them feel them.
Jeep definitely got it right in building a navigator/Escalade competitor. The Grand Wagoneer is one of the few three row full size SUVs, where I can sit in the third row and still be comfortable. And I am a very big guy at around 6‘6“. The technology that they have in the car with all of the touchscreens and heated/ventilated seat surfaces for the driver and all four passengers are very nice when you have them equipped. If you spend top dollar to get this car fully loaded, you have a bunch of LCD screens, some of them with Amazon fire TV and a very comfortable interior. This is a great place to be if you’re on a road trip. This may be the best place to be when you’re on a road trip. Unfortunately, it was executed by FCA/STELLANTIS. Thel build quality in general is problematic and with the UAW strike there is questions as to reliability, including the possibility that some of these units may have been sabotaged. But even if the reliability and build quality was unquestioned, the biggest issue is the price tag. These trucks cost more than $100,000 and the interest rate is high. If they could somehow give them to you for 2% financing or leasing they might be able to move them quicker, but with the current prices, they are extremely expensive . I think the Grand Wagoneer is a good product. I’ve driven the twin turbo version and I didn’t like it as much as the 6.4 L simply because the TwinTurbo only save you about 2 miles per gallon since they are test with carrying so much weight and I hate turbo lag.
It's tragic that something like 400,000 cats and kittens are put down each year by shelters that can't get them adopted. If you're up for it, adopting a bunch of kittens would be a great thing to do. But keep in mind that they grow up, eat a lot of food, use a lot of litter, and of course incur substantial veterinary bills when they get older. Maybe start with less than a bunch and work your way up?
I work at a Chrysler Jeep Dodge Ram dealer. The GrandCherokees and Wagoneers are ridiculous with the electronic issues. They are making them way too complicated. I told my wife we will not be buying anything new! The only Grand Cherokee I’ll buy is the 2021 WK. those are as solid as they come.
Jeep owners are very knowledgeable and proud of the Jeep history and heritage. If Stelantis had any idea of the American market to begin with they'd hire a Jeep brand division manager who knows and understands where Jeep comes from, how they started, and the significance of the mark to the American market. They need an American who knows American history. They to design the Grand Wagoneer they need to use the 1963-91 as inspiration. Don't just try to make a modern huge SUV into a box and give it a Jeep grille, but actually use the classic GW as design inspiration. No, you do not need faux wood paneling - don't forget the paneling didn't appear until about 1971, so there were 8 model years without it. You can go all the way back to the 1970s era for grille inspiration as it's different from the 1979-91 design. Then, you market it touting the history of Jeep, it's rugged off-road capabilities of all legendary Jeeps, but with the comfort and interior size/cargo capacity for every-day family living. Stay away from the hyper technical features and focus on off-road capability and on-road performance with comfort for the whole family. You don't need Stallone or Arnold to promote it. The tag line for their Wranglers would work fine here: Jeep - There's only one. Keep the Jeep message that goes with the Wrangler consistent with the Grand Wagoneer.
Welcome Home Gorgeous. 🥰 I remember hearing Hoovie saying that the Wagoneer might be coming back. And pictured someone describing a Wagoneer to an Italian. So you wants a biga box, that doesn't work? Ok. Wea make! Hey Tony! Day wants biga box, that do nothing! Ah Cie, that we cana do!😂
@@MrMustangrick No, they're not. The color balance in their in-home studio is way, way off, totally mis-calibrated, and has been since day one. Maybe they'll fix it one day.
Neightbor had one of these. Talked to him recenlty and noticed he had a new Tahoe. He said the Wagoneer had tons of electrical issues and it was in the shop more than in his garage. He finally sold it back to the dealer for a major loss - he was past the expiration of the lemon law.
When it first came out my first thought was Wow too many new electronic’s, second the over $100,000 price tag! It’s looks fantastic and we could use the room but totally untried new ! With Jeep already having a reputation of electrical issues on their models!. And now Stellantis probably going to sell the brand, might be the best thing to improve the product, the Chinese have a lot of experience in Electric cars and could improve the Jeep line to something affordable and run better , can’t believe I’m saying that but they bought the Lotus put a Toyota engine in it and now have a two year waiting list to get one! And the ECONOMY AND INTEREST RATES ARE #1 with most of us.
Hank Williams Jr. for Canyonero!: “It’s the top of the line in Utility Sports, unexplained fires are a matter for the courts! Canyonero-oh! Ya! Ya! Canyonero!… Woah, wooaaah, Canyonero!” 😂😂
Porsche also buys back Lemons that they make and supposedly fixes them and then sells them at auction to non-Porsche dealerships. I've found this a lot in my searching for used Cayenne PHEVs and for used Taycans in recent months via the third-party used-car websites, and the lemon status is usually conveyed in the CarFax reports. I have wondered why, if Porsche thinks that these lemons are fixed, why they aren't then given back to Porsche dealerships to sell as cars with CPO warranties. The lemon Porsches that I'm finding are usually within about 5-10% of the selling price of similarly-optioned (and similar-mileage) CPO-warrantied Porsches at Porsche dealerships.
Rebadge the new Grand Wagoneer the new Jeep Commander, reduce the specifications so that sale price becomes more reasonable, and slowly phase it out over 3-5 years or until R&D recoups. Then make another Grand Wagoneer that's a pure retro style hardcore off roader, base it off the ram truck frame, they just need a retro styled shell.
We have had my wife’s grand wagoneer since new and by far 31k miles later we hadn’t had a single issue and are loving it! The 6.4 absolutely rips and sounds awesome! Of course we won’t be buying another tho because of the hurricane engine. I think next will be the Escalade v
A Wagoneer reboot should borrow the “air bump” styling from the original Citroen C4 Cactus (a Stellantis stablemate). It evokes the “wood panel” look while still looking somewhat modern. Plus it prevents parking lot door damage.
Not sure I'd want the Range Rover either. I'd like to know who might be buying a new Grand Wagoneer. I'd like to try to sell them anything because they are, evidently, quite gullible.
I have had a grand wagoneer for 1.5 years now with the 6 cylinder. No issues whatsoever. We use it to pull a 7,500 lb boat with a 1,500 lb trailer without issue. It’s comfortable, drives smoothly, and has been reliable so far. This segment makes me wonder if Hoovie is picking the worst examples and saying that is representative of the product.
I'll never understand how they don't have Tahoe and Suburban sized SUVs based on the RAM pickup with the same styling. It would make them boatloads of money. They need a new gen Dakota and a competitor to the Ford Maverick.
One of my first friends to get their drivers license had an early '80s Grand Wagoneer (his mom's). Very nostalgic vehicle for me. So sad what they have become.
Lemon law buyback are sold at auction at a deep discount, usually with an additional extended warranty on what was replaced. I bought my almost new 2012 S550 from Mercedes this way, with 8000 miles for 42500 dollars. Served me well until I sold it; took a little longer to sell it though due to the lemon law title. No new car dealer ( trade in) or carmax would touch it for a reasonable price.
I bought my wife a brand new Jeep Grand Cherokee in 2017 with the Hemi. I the first year started experiencing issues with the body control module/PCI buss. Front Passenger window would roll down by itself and it happened ALOT. Gauges would just disappear then come back randomly, sunroof would sometimes decide to not close - had to turn the ignition off and back on to shut it. Took it to the local dealer multiple times and they could not figure out how to fix it. It also would belch out blue smoke on startup every now and then and the dealer never wanted to do anything to investigate that issue. 50+K junk that Jeep could not and would not figure out our problem under warranty. I got rid of it and got her a 2020 Highlander and after four years has not had one single issue.
I have owned an 89 Grand Wagoneer for almost 10 years. When Jeep announced the return on the Wagoneer I was ecstatic. Then when it debuted. I was so disappointed. No throwback design, no off-road+luxury they were known for. Like Hoovie said, it is very generic and unreliable. No one is going to buy that.
Interesting you mentioned the small strip of wood-like trim. I live in Michigan so we see a LOT of what they call “capture test fleet” for the manufacturers. A couple years back I saw my first Grand Wagoneer and it had exactly that. It was about 6 inches wide and ran between the midline of the body side lower and the belt line. The body color was off white or light tan and the “wood” was also light colored. It had no trim around it so it just looked like a sticker down the full length of the body. It was hideous! I’ve not seen one since so maybe someone with decision authority saw at and decided it was a mistake! 🤔🤷♂️
If Jeep could have just revamped the 1991 Grand Wagoneer with the modern amenities of today but with an updated nostalgic bodystyle, similar to what Dodge did with the Challenger and Charger or Ford with the new Bronco, people would have been lined up to buy them.
I just got home from a 2,500 mile road trip, (South Carolina to Chicago to Iowa and back) and I saw a ton of Wagoneers and Grand Wagoneers, so someone is buying them. The Wagoneers were one of the vehicles my Dad noticed on the trip besides the ugly new Sante Fe.
Carmax goes over the carfax with everyone they actually hope to sell a car to in person. Maybe couldn’t find it easy online but during the process you are told and get a copy. I worked there for 2 years. That sucked and also recalls. I’m a tech specialist now for a main manufacturer. I love it
a dealer in san Diego has lot of lemon buy backs the buyers guide inn the side window it is typed with the reason the manufacturer should give a 3yr unlimited mileage warranty on the failed parts
I disagree with Tyler… they took a huge risk… throw out any connection to the original, make a giant, ugly, piece of garbage and expect a jeep enthusiast to buy it. Seems like a risk that they crashed and burned with.
I think it‘s only about pricing and the technical issues. But I like the look of it a lot. They have done a great job. The wood paneling would be awful!
Just because the company was once owned by Italians, doesn’t mean they were responsible for the engineering, industrial layout, production mapping and operations. The Wagoneers are built in Warren, MI. This one most likely had a pinched vehicle main harness causing electrical issues throughout the entire car. Cheaper for Jeep to buy it back than to pay for warranty labor and parts for the life of the vehicle warranty.
I the 80's I worked in a body shop that work on a lot of Jeep Grand Wagoneers. They were rust buckets, one's two years old had rusty fender bottoms. Rear tail gates bottom would be gone. We would say if it was quiet enough, we could hear it rust.
“Mr Broccoli” My wife talked me into to buying her a new 22 Wagoneer lI after buying my TRX. It spent 5 months in the shop while we owned it. Chrysler bought it back last August due to numerous electric issues. Found out our service advisor was using it for personal use while it was sitting there. It was a really nice vehicle but too many bugs. The issues could be tied into the defective infotainment center that Chrysler refused to replace.
