Im not going back to anyone or doing a making amends tour. These guys are the first to go against davids rule of no publicly associating with Jeff. major respect to matt and mike. I don't care what any of the rest of them are doing now tbh except to Ernst bc that kids got talent.
Need a Barbershop video with Alex or a podcast in his new land. The kid has talent. Love his brick series 😂 Also another video with Tim and Sean in the gym 🔥
"injuries to his eye" Girl his skull was cracked open, he has some brain damage from it. He could have died or been left severely severely disabled. It's a miracle he survived let alone kept his eye.
He went through all that, all while thinking David was a real friend. He didn’t even immediately think to sue tf out of him even though it was so atrocious.
100% not to mention he was technically disfigured! I believe you can tell what side of his face and eye were injured just by looking at him. I mean he’s still incredibly gorgeous either way tho lol
Thanks everyone for backing me up, I just didn't want what he went through to be understated. This was a traumatic, life-changing injury. Jeff really went through hell. It effects his life physically, mentally, emotionally every single day and he is 100% justified to sue.
Is Jeff in therapy??? bc going back to THOSE crappy ppl who ghosted him is not good for his mental health. Also trying to rationalize why he can still be friends with them, when they clearly don’t care about him as a friend… is SO heartbreaking to see 😢 he deserves better.
I hope so as a 2 time brain tumor survivor/ brain damage and having a psychology abusive dad. I really hope so. Therapy take time a LONG TIME but it’s worth it.
nah, he’s doing therapy, he talks about it in this full podcast & most likely is why he’s trying to be on good terms with everyone. he says in the podcast, “there was really only one guy that did me wrong” & it’s admirable, to see how forgiving he is. even in the face of people who continue to underestimate him.
that’s EXACTLY WHAT I THOUGHT! Everyone in the comments praising their reunion but I found them to be extremely passive aggressive towards Jeff. Instead of embracing his qualities they continuously shunned him
Their whole demeanor seems very unapologetic and lacking in empathy and understanding. Hostile even. They look and were acting like they were walking on egg shells or scared knowing that David would probably see it. Or ya know what! It almost seems like they were sent in to get info from Jeff 🤣 like moles or something.
Jeff is having such a hard time with the fact that there were so many fake people in his life and that he misread so many relationships, breaks my heart.
I think he's actually lucky he got out alive. At least he saw the truth about who people really are. It's heartbreaking but he's got time to get over it fully and move on with his life, albeit, with plenty of counseling.
Is it just me or did this entire podcast feel like they were gaslighting him? Like Matt saying he said something inappropriate because hypothetically Jeff would’ve too, or him saying there’s always a concern with Jeff’s “sensitivity”
I think when matt said that he thought it was something jeff would have said is true. Matt is quick witted and smart. But, I get it Matt didnt know it was on a whole other level and inappropriate.
It's the way that he didn't apologize. Jeff told him how he felt, which is valid given his side of the situation, and how he described that it wasn't the place bc David was there. The least you could do is acknowledge how he felt and apologize. you can defend yourself and tell someone your side and still say sorry for how they felt on their side, even if you had good intentions.
Im going to be honest (and for the most part my gut is always right) I have NEVER liked Matt.....everyone is always praising him, but I find him to be passive-aggressive and not loyal at all. I dont think Matt even likes Jeff all that much (you can tell by most of his facial expressions on this episode that he really is most likely doing this for his own selfish reasons. I think Matt is incredibly two faced and if you followed the Vlog squad since the beginning, there were several examples of this.....
Also why is he even relevant? What has he done other than date a famous persons daughter? He has no talent other than hanging on to other people’s life. He on other people’s things but never has done his own stuff. He’s a spoiled rich kid who uses people for his own gain. His only talent is being a sponge. He’s a basic white guy who takes whatever anyone will give him. He creeps me out big time.
really? i never felt like matt was two-faced, but you can definitely see sometimes how he directs the convo back onto himself and that does rub me the wrong way, but again i don't know what he was like during the height of the vlog squad, so i might not be seeing everything that you guys do. I definitely see some contemplation with matt when he talks abt david so yeah it definitely leaves a bad taste in my mouth, even as someone who enjoyed matt's presence on the pods but like cmon, jeff could've lost his eye and you still have to sit and give it some thought to see who's 'side' you're on matt? (not that i see it as sides because clearly the only person they should be standing with is jeff)
@@sarahbrown5881, Way before that!! The fits he threw over trips and not being invited or when they pranked him about being thrown out of some bar. He’s a just an annoying big eared kid.
Jeff making all these people around David come in and talk is so smart because if they all do get called in to court they can always pull these up if anyone switches stories. Jeff and his team are steps ahead.
That was incredibly awkward and tense.. I think Jeff is lowkey exposing them as well and they took the bait. Matt asking how could he be excused from court, and saying “of course i’m on your side!!” was so fake lol
My dad was murdered and after 2.5 years of postponing, his murderer went to trial. My childhood friend’s older brother was accidentally killed during a bar fight and it took nearly 4 years for his family to get any sort of justice. Our government is run by money. Our judicial system is run by money. The court system is run by money. Please vote in your local elections. No election or vote is too small.
Matt is fake as hell! He's not Jeff's friend! I hope Jeff is in therapy because going back to that group is regressing! I'm sure he misses having a right friend group but I think he needs to move to a new city or something
I personally think the best thing to do in this scenario is keep moving forward with the vlog squad in the rear view mirror. Making amends is one thing but I don’t see any genuine friendships, just flip floppers belittling a serious incident looking to keep their names afloat. Of course I don’t know any of these people and I’m an outsider looking in. I guess content is content though 🤷🏻♀️
I think you’re right. Amends and closure are one thing. Friendship is completely another. As well as career. They are not Jeff’s friends. Never were, never will be. Merely temporary colleagues. My prayers are with Jeff. He was always my favorite, and obviously, for good reason.
It’s so crazy that Matt was friends with all of them but left the guy out who almost got killed by one of his other friends all because he didn’t want it to be awkward. Like what?! Jeff’s the one that did nothing wrong! I know the best bet is for Jeff to get a settlement of the exact amount of money he wants but I also just want this to go to court to platform David and his entourage and show their wicked ways.
Matt would most definitely fold under pressure. 😂😂 “your side completely!” As soon as the spotlight was on him. Like damn dude we all know you’re gonna talk to David as soon as you leave.
I’ll be honest because I’m not even a cynical person but I don’t trust it. I feel like people see David is out of popular favor and are riding the fence. I don’t feel like David is unworthy of friendship but I would question anyone around him and their motives towards Jeff. I don’t want Jeff to hold grudges but I do feel protective. I hope that makes sense.
Coming from personal experience (friend put me in a wheelchair from a car accident and refused to visit or help with medical) it's not the same as holding a grudge. Is someone truly deserving of friendship when they mame their 'friends' without care?
@@jamilahzahirahhadid I was referring to the friends he fell out with after the accident because they were still friends with David. My bad for not making that clear. I don’t expect Jeff to just get over his feelings for David especially when he’s trying to milk Jeff dry with lawyer fees in stead of taking accountability
@@imenkhelil3218*was* being the key word. Plus didn’t he serve his time or whatever for it. David is trying to avoid accountability and it’s kind of gross.
I’ve never heard of those two bozos before. The one with the hat is beyond passive, fake, and a liar. The wiggling and lack of eye contact while having to sit and take the truth. I hope Jeff rewatches his podcast and notices the even bigger red flags. Hat guy wasn’t saying what he was really thinking.
@@zu4707 David definitely has more no one questions that, it’s more that Jeff isn’t lacking money either and has enough to go the distance. He doesn’t care about getting paid, he cares about getting the truth out and that’s what this lawsuit will do.
@@zu4707I can’t remember when this was mentioned but I think Jeff’s lawyers are working for free and get a percentage of the money they win from the case so I don’t think Jeff is spending much money on legal fees right now. I could be wrong but like 95% sure he mentioned that when the lawsuit was originally shared with the public
I feel like Jeff is trying to do this as a way to flex on David. Like “your old news and your friends would rather be on my podcast than stay loyal to you” just my thoughts I don’t feel like he’s forgiven that easily
Well not really you’re only seeing one point of view… David literally switched on him he knew how bad the accident was… David lied about paying for his hospital bills , lied on his documentary, told other people such as Casey nassiet about how jeff is the one in the wrong that’s pretty messed up. David almost killed him and Jeff if just taking in that hurt and revenge
I think Jeff is likely doing this on purpose so that David has less “minions” on his side. And I’m alllll for it!! But yeah I do think that’s gotta be a big reason for why Jeff is reaching out to everyone rn
also by making them talk is evidence that can be pulled up in court. thats why matt got scared he knew everything he said up to that point can be pulled on tape in court if they all get called in. jeff and his team are one step ahead
This didn't make sense until Jeff was saying they may have to go on the stand. Jeff's trying to reconnect with everyone before the trial happens. Which good for him, he's gonna do whatever it takes.
So side note related and unrelated march is also brain injury/traumatic brain injury awareness month and speaking as someone who’s suffered from it since I was 14 it’s hard to deal with and you have to keep things in mind not everyone does
@@rolloffbroom of course I always try to help out where I can for education and awareness I’ve learned to deal and cope and also warn ahead of time so people around me are aware. Something to be mindful of though is every brain is different and every brain heals differently so some people may experience symptoms completely different than myself which is perfectly normal and valid unfortunately there no definitive one way answer for healing or for dealing. Some of the long term side effects I’ve experienced and have been told by others among the community are severe light sensitivity, pending on the damage done you could have either or both long term and short term memory loss/difficulties, I still have headaches rise and fall on my impact spot, I will often have a stutter if I’ve become overly stimulated, myself and others have experienced roller coaster brain (where you start on one topic someone interrupts or you go on a tangent and you have to go back and finish your point and will keep doing so until point is made), I personally cannot drive I blackout when put behind the wheel or on a bike, at first I had difficulty regulating my emotions and being able to verbally talk about them and there are times especially when the headaches are bad that I struggle with controlling my emotions and it’s those days I usually avoid people. When I fist had my accident I couldn’t remember anything and I had no ability to focus visually or mentally could barely communicate and had difficulty with my motor skills and hand eye coordination. So what my dad did was he saw that a tv show in the hospital had my attention and out of sheer habit asked me what the show was about I said I didn’t know but one of the characters was named dean. And the old lady I shared a room with had a spare set of ridiculously large knitting needles that she let me borrow and fiddle around with while watching the show so my dad when I was discharged bought the entire box set of supernatural and various gages of knitting needles and a couple 3d puzzles (those half the time were thrown into a wall and my dad would pick up the pieces and set them in the box and say “when you’re ready”) for 6 months it was classic movies and supernatural and he would randomly pause ask me what was happening what the characters were doing who they were and sometimes I remembered bug not often then one day we were about to start the routine and he was starting to loose hope I think and he popped in a disc we already watched and I looked over and said “dad we already watched this disc we’re on the other one” I’ve seen my dad cry very few times and that day was one he brought my mom into the room and asked me to describe what was on the disc I wasn’t able to recall a lot but that day was the turning point for me. Not everyone experiences the same level and not everyone has people around them willing to do everything they can to help them work through it and come out stronger. I’ve never been able to play soccer, basketball, football, dance, or volleyball again but I’ve gained so much more than I knew existed
this is probably just gonna be used as some sort of evidence. He did comment on this video saying how he doesn’t want to be friends with any of them again.
I had to pause and skip past the part w/ Jeff not knowing Matt was already married, wasn’t invited to his wedding. It was like I could feel the moment thru my iPad! So awkward that I couldn’t handle it. Yikes. I really feel for Jeff. Idk why he is opening himself back up to these ppl. They’ve already proven where their loyalty lies.
Only one guy did him wrong??what???😭😭did he completely forget everything that Natalie,Jason,todd and Scott said??i mean good for him that he’s moving on but….bffr
Anyone who thinks Matt will remain loyal and not flip-flop like the spineless weasel he is at the slightest amount of legal pressure clearly has not seen that old David's vlog where they pranked a party with fake cops and Matt was in line to get busted for providing alcohol to minors.... He whines and flips out and sells out everyone around him to keep his name clear in a 4-minute fake vlog. Imagine what will happen under oath lmao he has always struck me as very self-righteous.
Matt needs to go touch some grass and learn how to fake some happy facial expressions because wow. tell me you didn't want to be on this podcast without telling me you didn't want to be on this PODCAST
"it would have been the same thing in reverse" or not. what jeff went through forever changed him. not just his body but his mental health as well. "I'm just doing to you what you would do to me" is a wild take considering how traumatic Jeff's experience was. I genuinely do not believe that if that other guy went through the same thing Jeff did, he wouldn't question him like that on the damn spot. just wild bro
I don’t think Jeff should rebuild any relationships with the vlog squad (besides making amends if that will help him heal) but I’m shocked that none of the vlog squad has tried to disassociate with David at this point. Although he continues to make money, David’s career is over besides Snapchat. Once the lawsuit happens, his reputation will be permanently ruined beyond what little remains. Also David has more than once since post-vlog era showed how little he cares for his friends (I.e. laughing at Jason’s “small” house while not offering to help out at all, even though Jason is in that situation because of David). I truly don’t think David can ever be redeemed and so confused how the rest of the vlog squad doesn’t see that? Like if they tried to make amends with Jeff, they might get through the lawsuit unscathed but anyone who stays loyal to David is going to get burned with him in this lawsuit. The ethical and moral decision would be to support Jeff but I know they are all selfish. Either way though, it seems like an obvious career move to distance yourself from David.
He wasn’t given the moniker “Matt the rat” for nothing. There have been so many instances of Matt being a passive aggressive/condescending jerk and he definitely looks down his nose at certain people.
Why Jeff wants to be their friends so bad? He keeps coming back wanting apologies and sympathy from them, he needs a therapist to help him move on as it’s not good for his mental health. It’s best for him to move on so he can heal from the trauma they caused
There may be “just one guy” who hurt Jeff, but the rest of them all turned their backs and went with David. They are nit real friends, podcast guests at best.
The people saying Matt is fake don't realize he is not fake; he just doesn't want to pick a side; he is friends with them both. I think Matt should stay away from both until the trial is over.
This reminds me of that one video where the girl was explaining how her former bff was cheating on her bf and that’s why she wasn’t friends with her anymore. Loyalty doesn’t seem to be in Matt’s vocabulary. He doesn’t even have to “pick a side”, per se, but pick a position and stick to it. Either be on a side or don’t be on any sides. He’s flip flopping
FUN FACT: Jeff doesn’t care about Matt or any of them he just needs them to seem like friends because when it’s time to testify it will be harder for them to just say David is innocent and Jeff is full of sht!! 😂
Honestly, it seems real fake. like Mike seems genuine, but I think Matt is being really phony here which is really weird because that’s really not in his character
I loved the latest episode of Jeff FM and seeing how mature adults should act when something crazy happens in their lives. It's weird when someone doesn't take accountability for their actions like Dobric is doing. We know David didn't do it on purpose, but he can say sorry for his part in all of this. The dynamic of this friend group has always been that Dobric was "boss" bc of his popularity and income. So when you have to sue "The Boss" for his actions and not accommodating good friends with any monetary value when you are financially able makes you look like the most heartless person on this planet.
I think a lot of what is going on with Jeff is not trying to hold onto any negativity or toxic feelings. It’s like drinking poison and expecting the other person to d**. When you hold onto so much anger and resentment it can actually physically impact how your body heals and remembers trauma. I am speaking from my own experiences as well. He may never be “friends” with them but at least he can be friendly and maintain his boundaries.
you definitely do not know Matt's and jeff's relationship that well. they at eachother back and forth, I dont think there was anything awkward about this pod. however i do agree, Matt saying that he is on Jeff's side 100% is a very telling piece of information on how he feels about the situation. Matt has never really been dependant on david or his content, like everyone else. so I doubt he'll be missing out on anything if david decides to not talk to matt again. I actually hope, that one by one, everyone comes to Jeff' side, and we are starting to see that.
Jeff has red flags. And I like Jeff. I don't know Matt. But if I were in Matt's shoes I would feel like Jeff was only reaching out to me to be a witness for him.
When he underplays the comment made about Jeff’s eye at a party and says Jeff “should’ve expected” people to ask him questions…. It gave me the ick. They made it seem like Jeff was being overly sensitive when he almost lost his life. These two are not good people and are probably just trying to save their image.
I loved Matt for long time, I know how he acts n everything so the energy was definitely off in this podcast. I feel like his giving fake & Jeff deserves so much better🥺
None of those people were his friend when they took the side of the person who hurt him. I don’t know what Jeff is going through, but he’s going through it. He’ll learn.
