Jen Hatmaker: Fierce and Free Or Full of The Feels? 

I appreciate the streaks of silver/gray on all three screens... hugs to all of you for helping the women in the faith to know that true life in Christ is found in the safety of obedience, graciousness, and a ton of strength through submission.

Alisa has probably become my favorite apologist along with Mike Winger. I've just seriously begun listening to apologists recently. They both speak with such clarity and simple enough for the average person without making me feel they are being condescending. I love Alisa's interviews. I hope many more people find this channel.

Listened to this last night and read 2Timothy 3 this morning - “6 For among them are those who worm their way into households and deceive gullible women overwhelmed by sins and led astray by a variety of passions, 7 always learning and never able to come to a knowledge of the truth.” Don’t remember if this was mentioned while you guys were talking. I have been listening to these book reviews a few times each. Toddler mom life - sometimes it’s hard to just focus on one thing at a time 🤪🙃

The heart is deceitful above all.-Jeremiah 17:9

We want so badly to have someone else acknowledge our experiences and the hurt associated with them that we don’t stop to question the measure of truth in the “cure”. Really great review 🙏 thank you 😊

Two things, Alisa. I have a dear friend who came out of homosexuality and is passionate about sharing her story. I think I have a video of her testimony that I can send you if you'd like. Also, Jonathan Pokluda has an incredible teaching on how affirming homosexuality is not love. It's one of the kindest messages I have heard in dealing with homosexuality while never deviating from truth.

@23:55 Teasi's analogy of food... awesome! What an image of seeing 'all the benefits none of the cost' version of Hatmaker's gospel.

This is so important to understand. It took me 38 years to discover this truth; that my heart is deceiving me! I thought following my heart was good! I called myself an intuitive empath. I lived by my feelings. I thought I was a good person. Turns out I was a self righteous fool.

Still listening but popping in the chat to suggest you take the part where Teasi makes the analogy about the ingredients in food and create a separate short clip for people to share!! So good!

You know it’s good when it’s 56 minutes long and you wish it could have gone on longer. I haven’t read Hatmaker’s book but I feel like I listened to a very thorough and biblical critique of the book and Hatmaker’s positions. Excellent input all around from Alisa and her guests.

Tell Hillary that my mom loves Mama Bear Apologetics and even had me read it (I'm 14). She also had me first listen to your (Alisa's) podcast and it is amazing!

Our weakness repeats itself, always falling back on becoming our own savior and performing our way out. Then we put God into that.

Hillary Ferrer! What an analysis, thank you! -"When loving God results in pain, exclusion, harm or trauma to people then we are doing the first part wrong" said Hatmaker. The analysis by Hillary: "What you have is these two commands from scripture that says to, "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind and soul. And love your neighbor as yourself." Where we would say we are going to interpret everything for loving our neighbor through 'what does it mean to Love God,' she [Hatmaker] actually flips it and she interprets what does it mean to love God based on what she thinks loving her neighbor looks like." ... Seeking our neighbors motivation as the lens for seeing God, not God's lens for understanding his motivation for seeing our neighbor.

I appreciate the content that your channel is putting out. Important for Christian's to understand the importance of the mind to the Christian life so we wont be "tossed to and fro by every wind of teaching".

Alisa, I’m totally binging all your content on here, and I’m just obsessed! All these strong and intelligent women!!! Thank you!

Just wanted to remind Hillary that the college president she mentioned telling his students about conviction is @dreverettpiper (not at Oklahoma Baptist btw). And his book Not A Daycare tells that story and more (oh and he’s my husband ;-) Great discussion by the way and love the mult-generational aspect as well.

Sounds to me like Hatmaker is a life coach that uses context free bible verses.

Love watching smart women because I am one. I wish I'd known about apologetics when I was young. I'm just learning some stuff. I love discipleship and I want to be able to give younger women answers.

Ladies this was fantastic! I would never choose to read Jens book but was interested to hear what you had to say. I learned so much beyond just a book review. You really have some great talking points and insight.

Praying for Jen. Thanks for the insight. Getting into the Word each day and following what God is teaching us is SO vital! Keeping us on His straight and narrow path.

Broken people need Jesus; only He can make us whole and healthy ❤️ More of Him, less of me

I had the privilege of seeing Christopher Yuan & his mother give their testimonies you speak of at Urbana 2012. So beautiful & encouraging!

Excellent conversation! Thank you ladies

Great discussion. Countering lies with the pure Gospel.

Woman of God. So wise. They are the kind of woman we should be listening too and then going to the word of God and digging for ourselves. I'm so thankful for them. I absolutely love it when Hilary talks.

Mama Bear Apologetics is such an amazing resource!! Thank you for all your work on this. I don't really love reading but I read it twice and will most definitely read it many times more as my kids grow up! I recommend it to everyone and have extra copies for gifting on the way in the mail. Blessings!

I just loved this discussion and I learned so much! Thank you for sharing your wisdom and biblical knowledge on these topics. I can't wait to share this and listen again while taking notes!

such a joy to see such strong women. this is what the church needs. many a men should take lessons from you. God bless and keep you.

Great job addressing this book and these teachings. These are the types of things we need to be talking about and bringing clarity to in this culture of “self love and self pleasure” really appreciate you ladies and this review.

The inner work lead me to Jesus so there's good that can come from these. I grew up being abused by my father and bullied by others. I was completely broken from life and I started when I picked up a book "The Power of Now". It taught me alot about why I feel as i did and why I did what I did. From there more books and still broken with knowledge striving to change and then I heard the true gospel and instant change. The brokenness gone in one night, which I believe was the day Godly sorrow hut my heart like a lightning bolt and then forgiven. Everything has changed. I love the lord and hoping he will use me for something great in helping others like me to help lead them to the only healer and genuine love!

I loved the connection to the leprosy issue of not detecting real pain.

Several years ago I felt a big check in my spirit about Jen Hatmaker. And I had been a fan. But I stopped following her on social media. I’m so glad. She’s literally frightening in how badly she wants to be popular and how she’s using her influence not to point to righteousness through Christ and the love and justice He cares about and His true followers care about but to point to herself and to righteousness through the religion of social justice.

Wow!!! - great discussion ladies(I hope that word doesn't 'offend' anyone!)! I Posted on FB that I am Often OFFENDED when I Read the Bible or hear some great preaching: it is a good 'Offense'! This is something I learned as a teenager/convert to faith! - that conviction(of sin) is from the Holy/Spirit!!

Great insights, ladies. Thank you for teaching me and giving me such valid points to share, in love.

Excellent discussion. Thanks to all of you! Many nuggets of wisdom.

An incredibly gospel-affirming chat. Thanks ladies and thankyou for bucking the trend of redefining the gospel message which is so horribly prevalent today. It is indeed a contrary gospel where we become lord over our own lives.

Thank you for the insightful discussion. I like to hear sound theology.

I can see how Ms. Hatmaker was willing to change her convictions as a mom. I wish more Christians would really be willing to talk. My daughter is gay and even now thinks she should have been born a boy. I believe that this almost exclusively turned my kids away from God. They now try to “respect our beliefs” because they seem “good for” us but they believe that we basically harmed them by bringing them up Christian. My son was pretty active at church as a young teenager and would bring his friends from public school. I found something he wrote while going through counseling recently and realized it was right around the time my daughter “came out” to him. He wrote that he was so worried about his sister and his friends because they didn’t believe in God and were going to go to hell that he began to do a lot of research which led him to believe that it was all a bunch of “BS” ( he of course wrote the word). He then wrote that he gave up religion and wrote “SO RELIEVING!!”. As a parent, you will do anything for a kid which probably led this woman to search and we know there are pretty convincing arguments out there. I really wanted to figure out a way to make gay ok in Gods eyes but acting it out just isn’t. It’s very hard and sad to have to admit that conclusion and carry on life with the kids you love beyond measure.

Loved this insightful discussion. Favorite line (paraphrased): my job as a Christian is to see where I'm sinning and where I can repent; if my arm causes me to sin, cut it off, not celebrate it and change the rules. Thank you sisters in Christ! God bless you all and everyone who listens with ears to hear.

Alisa is the most lovely and honest godly womam what a great example for so many women 🙏🙏

This was terrific Alisa! Thank you so much!

I have recommend your podcast to my church and another sister in Christ. Thank you for seeking truth. God is so amazing and may His name be praised. He is the LORD. Forever and ever.

What a wonderful interview!!!

Such a great analysis and conversation ladies! I greatly appreciate your wisdom and insight!

I read this book a couple months ago. After the first two chapters I started feeling very uneasy. With everything going on in our world right now and the ideas pushed by her book I felt some serious spiritual sadness.

Thank you so much for this insightful podcast!!! Wonderful!!!

Never trust the heart! Above all the heart is most deceitful.

Such a wonderful video, Alisa, Teasi, and Hillary! So needed… you gals emulated Acts 17:11 for us

Excellent conversation!

I don't know anything about this author or her book but this discussion is so helpful because you present many principles of discernment that can be applied while we listen & consider any books, podcasts, & teachings we come across.

Now I want to go buy the Mama Bear book! Thank you for this discussion. I appreciate these podcasts:)

Excellent, thank you ladies.

Very good conversation ladies, thank you so much for this. God bless each and everyone of you.

Thanks, Ladies! I tell clients (I am a Christ focused counselor) all the time that God is not sitting on His throne saying (of our sin), “oh, that’s ok, I just want you to be happy.” No, our anxiety or depression can be a result of our sin. God is not going to make it easy for us to be at ease with our sin. He is calling us to repent and turn to Him. As you all were saying, pain is a sign, a warning signal that something is wrong. Something needs to change. I point to Jer 17:5 - Cursed is the man who trusts in man, who makes flesh his strength, whose heart turns from the Lord. They are like a tumbleweed in the desert. It is a curse that Jen is operating under.. she has given into a false gospel that says that love means agreement with others who are in sin. But that is not love. The word says that ‘wounds from a friend can be trusted but an enemy multiplies kisses.’ PR 27:6. I’d much rather a friend who loves me enough to point out my sin than someone who kisses my butt so I feel ok about myself.

Great discussion, ladies. Thanks.

That was some discussion!! Got to say Alisa brings it on beautifully. Love it love it.

“If it’s too good to be true, then it probably is”. Great syrup analogy! Sounds like another book/theology of self help, rather than looking to the amazing work of our Savior on the cross. He doesn’t need our help, he is all powerful, and the Bible is absolutely without error. Thanks so much for sharing your important thoughts on this book. There are a lot of women who have difficulty being discerning on there own.

Thank you, Ladies!!!! Brilliant.

So many brilliant points made here. Thank you for this.

Good review of Hatmaker’s book that promotes progressive (aka apostate) Christianity. Ironically, one of the commercials that came on during your video was promoting a movie that showed two men kissing.

I came to specifically find this episode because Jen Hatmaker is now gonna be on Brene Brown's Podcast. Brene's reach is huge, but I also think Brene is a progressive christian, and lots of people are gonna hear their messages and believe them. I for one would prefer to be better equipped to hear those views in light of traditional Christianity, so thank you

Very good conversation. Thank you ladies.

This is a rock solid video with excellent commentary from three wise sisters in Christ. Thank you so much for these much needed videos, Alisa. My mom had a Jen Hatmaker book and now I think I will encourage her not to read it, or to at least fact check everything against the Bible.

We don’t ever want to usher others to the edge of hell with our “love” and acceptance. True Love is leading others, in Biblical Truth and Love, to the feet of JESUS. Either tilling the soil, planting, watering or harvesting♥️

Thank you for treating the subject of your podcast with respect, being direct and clear and compassionate without being derogatory. This is so important ~ Jesus is full of grace AND truth.

So good.... I think I need to listen to it over and over and over, because the points made here are so pertinent to the current times and in relation to people I know. Thank you, ladies, for sharing your conversation with us!

Very well done, sisters. I pray each of you will be granted more influence in teaching these important truths. We are certainly in days of great deception and false Gospels.

This was excellent. Thank you, ladies!

We were made for the Kingdom of God, which has dawned with the resurrection of Christ. And the highest "productive pleasure" is to daily pick up and carry our cross. Some days it feels good and some days it feels like dreadful drudgery. But that is how God will sanctify and grow us into full humanity.

This was such a great conversation to listen too. Nothing like my boring book club. 📚The subtle 🌡comment was noted. 👊 🌿

Thank you for the interesting exploration and exploring the issues of, 'feels'. Concerning those it might be helpful to consider Martha Stout's realization, (on page 107 of her book The Sociopath Next Door) that the most "reliable sign", "universal behavior of unscrupulous people" is "an appeal to our sympathy." or the Pity Play. All the best...

HOLY COW. some of the quotes from Jen Hatmaker sounded like straight up New Age blasphemous false gospel stuff! It's actually the whole, " Satan masquerading as an angel of light." It's candy-coated poison. I don't think calling it Satanic is hyperbole. It's definitely Anathema.

Thank you ladies for this amazing Podcast I have noticed a lot with people that are Christians around my age want the Affirmation when they identify as gay etc. especially parents & colleagues will unfortunately go to the affirming side then stand up for Biblical truth on that issue. I hope parents realize that there may be something very unbiblical when the child comes out and wants them to be fully accepted with actions that go against God's word.

Excellent as always. Thank you for your gracious handling of something that is so energized by a feelings based theology. Thank you for reiterating our need to submit to Christ as our Lord and to first seek what He desires in our hearts about things. As simple as that seems, it looks to be a lost principle in westernized Christianity.

Wow this has to be a tough touchy topic to cover, you guys did it really well in a very caring way while sticking to truth. Sin cannot be affirmed, God has reasons. Proverbs even affirms the role of a male and female, father and mother. However, I do notice that some sins like homosexuality or divorce are more open and so therefore spoken of and out against more while others are swept under rugs (not by y'all, just in general). There are many other sins afflicting christians that also need to be touched on in church so conviction can occur and not be dismissed "in love" since scripture (1 for 5:11 and other verses) teaches us not to even break bread with brethren like that or that these will not inherit the kingdom. If they are true Christ followers transformation will occur sooner than later no matter the sin. They can be loved and as a person in general it shouldn't effect our view of them, but yes as a true christian and someone we can fellowship with. There should be a way of accepting them in the church building, as all unbelievers are welcome to come and hear the gospel, but there is a line.

Great video...I learned a bunch from these ladies. Smarts and wisdom abounds. Lots of pretty going on here, too. :)

Happy I found you ladies!

I enjoyed listening to this program especially the discussion about 'linguistic death'. In conservative Catholic circles I have heard a similar expression "weaponised ambiguity".

"This is your best life" is a statement where your assent, or lack there of, are both correct.

I love this discussion! One additional thought I had on Jen H. is her intense desire to accept and affirm homosexuality is mainly fueled by her love for her daughter. It makes sense in that light. She wants to move the world so that it accepts her daughter. Liz

I’m very empathetic and sensitive so my heart speaks loud and clear. The Lord made me that way and uses this in the way He sees fit. We can’t put everyone in the same category.

Love does not delight in evil but rejoices in the truth.

Just found your channel, loving having some women that are godly and follow God and scripture to listen to! Have y'all covered Kelly Minter, our church is doing her faithful God Bible study soon.

EXCELLENT! Intelligent and thoughtful women! I admire you greatly.

Thank you, ladies!!!

The key to manipulation is emotion.

Great video!

Just a little clarification about leprosy. Leprosy is actually caused by a bacteria (Mycobacterium Leprae) but it causes nerve damage, hence not being able to feel an inujury depending on what kind of nerve involvement one has. When I think of “neurological” I think “brain.” Thanks for a great show!

Great Show.

I’m curious about how many times you perfect Christian women reached out to Jen whilst she was being attacked, blackballed & cancelled. It’s women like you that keep me far far away from fakes like y’all! Evangelicals are all like this. God Bless @JenHatmaker.

"That syrup'll preach!" Love it!😂🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

Well done ladies!

Great insights!

Great video! Found two more women to follow on Twitter! :D

Thanks, ladies!

Excellent ❤️

I did a similar thing with a raisins that claimed to have 50% less sugar. I noticed that they tasted different. I looked at the ingredients and typed one into google and it was the scientific 🧪 name for Splenda. There were also at least 3 more ingredients than the regular Craisins had. The original Craisins have only TWO ingredients: cranberries & sugar.

I haven't listened yet, but my first response was NO OF COURSE NOT! Even the Bible tells us the heart lies. Why would I trust or listen to a liar? Now to hear what these ladies have to say.

I'm going to come from a different perspective and walk in Jen's shoes for a moment. As a mother, Jen desperately wants the world to love and accept her child just as most mothers do. (this is not always a good idea BTW) She wants her daughter to be loved by God and a part of God's family. (And this is a godly and right desire). Possibly the driver to the change in Jen's theology occurred to accommodate her daughter's direction. Don't we all want our children to be pleasing God? If our current theology doesn't allow for this, might our theology be wrong? (I think I hear the whisper of a serpent.) Well, I could change my theology to match what I WANT to be true. That eliminates the strain between God's ways and my ways. And Jen's theology change progressed from there. She wants all Christians to follow her lead in this. It is about "the feels" as Alisa says. But it could be also driven by her desire for theology in which God loves her daughter just as she is (which He does) and affirms her behaviors (and there is the problem). Given, Christians have all behaved in unChristlike manners at times; sometimes we aren't sure what Jesus would want us to do with certain circumstances and sin in ignorance. We need to be humble and apologize and make amends when we are wrong - something we are not always very good at doing. We are always to be loving. However, we are not called to affirm something the Bible does not. As an example, affirming an addiction is not a loving behavior. It is allowing a destructive behavior to continue. Jesus breaks people out of addictive and self-destructive behaviors; He does not affirm them. Society says if you love me, you will affirm me and all my behaviors...... There appears to be a huge pressure among younger generations to find their identity, their niche, their "box". If you are not X, Y, and Z, then you are not a "real woman"; you must be another "gender variant." This pressure does some very odd things to our psyches. Young people are encouraged by society to find the "real you." That involves a lot of exploring things that were not considered 100, 50 or even 40 years ago. Doesn't facebook have something like 50 different genders? Old people like me just don't get it. As Christians, we find our identity in Jesus. Our goal is to become Christlike. And that means denying our natural desires when they conflict with God. Society does not excuse a thief's stealing as "he was born that way". Or an angry person's rude outbursts of anger as "she was born that way". They are expected to master their behaviors. The desire or tendency may remain. But that is not sin. Sin is giving into the desire. I did not hear this motive expressed by Alisa, Teasi or Hillary and I wanted to bring it up as a way to understand Jen's change. I believe it is an experience based change driven by her daughter's identity. I could be wrong.

I have never heard of Jen Hatmaker nor read any of her books but I thank these sisters in Christ for this sensitive but thorough warning exposing that she does not represent the true Jesus of the Bible but a false Christ and interpretation of the Bible being void of the Holy Spirt and that true followers of the Jesus of the Bible should stay clear of her writings and podcasts. People just don't want to acknowledge that they are sinners and need to repent in order to be true followers of Jesus Christ. They love self, sin and the world more than a Holy Righteous God and Savior and would rather be deceived by the lies of the devil who has infiltrated the Church in greater measure in the last days but the Bible warned us of this.