@@katehobbs2008 The manslaughter charge is being exploited here. Manslaughter should be reserved for where negligence leads to the death of someone that was not intended. This is quite clearly not the case here.
The judges sentence by the guidelines set by other people in parliament, they're the ones who need to have these people as neighbours when they get released. Same here in the uk imo, I'm very liberal in general but I have my limits. A full life sentence meaning life is fairer and safer, she had enough chances. It's Rita, Rita's daughter and grandson who I feel bad for, the killer should never feel freedom again.
I grew up with a mentally Ill brother . It’s heartbreaking. Because you love them. You want them to be ok. Wish they’d be cured. Wish they take their meds.
Wow that 4 year old boy is totally a littie hero 🦸♂️ I pray he will recover from this trauma & have a wonderful future & a life filled with joy faith & love 💓
I grew up next door to Rita (RIP) from 1989-2000. Since their house is no longer occupied, anyone curious, it is adjacent to the right of 53 Colorado Dr, St Clair. As a child I only assumed her to be the lifeblood of her family as a sweet, giving, selfless woman that put loved ones at a high priority. This is surreal. I hope her memory is cherished by those around her for all the beneficent deeds she undoubtedly joyously took part in.
We used to have mental institutions for these people, so they are not a danger to the community. Releasing mentally ill people and offenders into the community might save the government money, but it's a recipe for disaster.
In reality releasing them in the community is not any cheaper than keeping them in institutions in cases where they are sent to prison. In fact it costs the taxpayers far more money to keep them in jail than in a institution. So it’s not always cheaper to release them in the community from an institution
@@williamwalker8106 Which makes it even more inexcusable that mentally unwell people who have a propensity for violence are allowed to wander around the community, when this has led to a loss of life in this case and other cases like the guy in Stanmore waiting for a bus a few years back.
Having mental illness doesn't mean you should be caged away! Any individual who has a mental illness have the right to live in the community. The more severe cases can have a supported plan with the 24 hour monitored supported independent living and appropriate medications (care teams, case workers, all coordinated with psychiatric team, GP ect). All people no matter if healthy or not should be treated as humans, not caged animals. Now for this case, this individual did a horrific crime and she should be jailed. There is consequences to the actions she took that day and she is where she belongs. By the sounds of this case her mother tried to take on the full burden in supporting her daughter. The mother and or other family should have seeked serious psychiatric help and community services Coordinated help, she didn't. There were signs leading up to this with her agressive dangerous behaviour. If there were some serious intervention, would we be discussing this now? Who knows! This is a very sad case and many will learn from this.
This case is rare. Mental health issues don’t automatically spell disaster. I couldn’t imagine my son in a horrible place like so many institutions that went under because of over crowding and low staff. Those children and adults lived in squalor. The big school in Long Island NY. Omg when they showed them without clothing living in their own feces and urine having 1 spoon to shovel food into 100 patients mouth. 1 spoon. That’s awful. Today we have much higher number than in our past. There simply aren’t enough places or people that are truly equipped to handle special needs. My son wouldn’t be the good kid he’s without me. I am his support his everyday person. He’s higher functioning now compared to when we started. He was non-verbal until age 3-4 he still gets jumbled but can talk. I did pay 39,000$ for 7 years for his private school until he transitioned into public school. He is a good person wouldn’t hurt a fly. He doesn’t have anger problems he can get upset or angry just like anyone but his chooses define him. He will sit down and breath, meditate to calm himself down that’s what he was taught by me. It works he’s a teen now that comes with other challenges however so far it’s been ok. Again proper care helps. I think this mom was overwhelmed everyday with her daughters behaviors. My sons behaviors are really normal so I can’t imagine the terror this mom had to go thru. Tragic. I also don’t know about the kind of care that they provided her in Australia. Especially the area that she was in. Who knows what she could afford and what she couldn’t afford. Institutions cost a lot now because in order to provide proper care. It’s not minimal it’s 1,000 of dollars a month. Times have changed and I know ASD has skyrocketed along with other disorders those afflicted with multiple issues that’s hard for anyone especially a single older mother. I am surprised her other child didn’t give her more support it seems she was also watching her grandson while this was happening that’s too much to ask if a mother. Again I hear her stuff I don’t recognize any similarities between my son and this person. ASD not normally violent. If that person has defiant opposition behaviors that is another separate diagnosis on top of ASD. ADHD anther anxiety another list goes on. Most ASD only have ASD or anxiety with it. Sometimes ASD Anxiety ADHD. That’s a hard one. The more diagnosis’s you have the harder it is. You need experts to help. A therapist that sticks with that child from a early age to later so they are comfortable with that person. My sons had the same doctors his whole life including dental. They thrive in similarity not chaos. Anyways this was horrible. That child will be traumatized forever seeing that. I was traumatized listening to it. The movies should have never been introduced. Violent! Not good a regular kid would be scared or terrified by them but she was fascinated in the wrong way with them.
@@jennifermarshall4780 Thanks for sharing. It sounds like he grew up in a caring environment and household and also is not inherently violent. I guess it's a case by case basis and for some people, living at home with family is the right option. But it shouldn't be the only option, or simply the default option just to save money. What you detail (and what for instance was dramatised in Ken Kesey's book and then the film) is what led to the demise of the mental institution, but in 2021 it needn't be that way. A well resourced institution can be cost effective (eg using technology and automation where necessary or practicable) and developmentally effective. it all depends on the structure, intent, understanding and will of those running the institution.
That girl needed real meds! A real psychologist, psychiatrists and anger management. A naturopathic doctor isn’t going to fix that! Years of red flags! My son has autism and it doesn’t even seem like they have anything in common as far as ASD diagnosis. I kept getting upset every time she mentioned Autism. This has nothing to do with autism, people on the autism spectrum are not normally violent! I know there are some cases that are a little more severe than others and they can have meltdowns but never violence. Certainly not like this! Realistically you shouldn’t give your children that are super impressionable and visual and have a mental disorder films that show such graphic and gruesome images. It’s never a good idea. Especially if they become obsessed with those films. That’s when you throw them out the door!!! If they have a problem with that they will have to get over it! I know the “daughter” tried really hard to remove these films. It’s unfortunate that mother kept placating her giving the films back to her. I really feel bad for the mother, because she did not have proper help. The people that were helping her are not obviously in tune with what was going on. Hypnotherapy? I don’t even get that. How many diagnosis? Seems no one got the full picture until a tragedy happened! Not ok! We as parents need more help that’s reasonable financially. People who have children on the spectrum or any other mental health disorder. We as parents need all the help we can get and proper help! No being switched around to this person or that person. We shouldn’t have to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars!!!! Good care can be so expensive one of my son schools from the age of three to nine was 39,000 a year. Strictly helping those with autism and ADHD and other disorders that are similar.
Props to Justice Helen Wilson for going through all this in such a professional tone. This is very disturbing and she did a great job to remain non judgemental, professional and compassionate despite the horror she witnessed.
that is her job as a Judge. to be impartial, to be a critical thinker, she must know all and be across all the rules, laws and legislations. She must complete law degrees and be a lawyer for at least 8 years before becoming a Judge. A Judge has to understand, analyse facts, think logically, rule on admissability, instruct juries on applicable laws, just to name a few. In other words, Judges are not your average Joe Blow and she must do all this with a perfect POKER FACE
The real problem here is the significant lack of a competent mental health system. All the early warning signs were there but no one did anything. Not the first and unfortunately it won’t be the last. A coronial inquest should be held so that formal recommendations can be made regarding the gross lack of care in the mental health system.
The mental health system in this country is great. It actually sounds like the mother and other family members didn't get her the adequate help she needed.
Psychopaths are best treated by the criminal justice system, not the mental health system. Obviously, having and acting upon criminal desires could be considered a mental health issue, but we have a better word for it: "criminal". Her mother really tried to do the right thing, I just wish that her mental health issues weren't used to get her out of doing time in prison. I think a few weeks in prison or a juvenile detention facility when she was younger for each of her assaults might have been helpful. I have been in a mental hospital a few times, and sorry for being perhaps selfish in not wanting to share such facilities with extremely dangerous people, but these places need to be safe environments as they are filled with extremely vulnerable suicidal, anxious and paranoid people who usually just need a couple of weeks somewhere safe. Please don't put psychopaths in with us. They are often the reason we needed to go to hospital in the first place.
Governments are required to provide such system(s). However therein lay limitations of funding. There are surely areas which will cry, endlessly for more. This is such an area.
Dealing with a mentally unwell family member over a long period must be one of most exhausting and stressful situations one can experience. May Mrs Camilieri rest in peace.
Not many ppl would want to have to “deal” with this thing. Pity there wasn’t the death penalty for cases such as these. This thing can never be let loose in our society again. Sickening.
He's not freakin innocent for god sake!!! He hacked the bloody US government and published what he found. Regardless of whether you say he did the right thing or not he still committed the crime!
@@LawyER_Nurse1989 so, Dulce which do you think was the more serious crime? The murder of Innocent civilians that the American government tried to cover up, or the act of informing the public of the American government's terrible involvement?
@@LawyER_Nurse1989 The U.S.A Government is who committed the crimes literally. Assange only expose the truth for the criminal misconduct of the US government. In my eyes he is a national hero for exposing the truth and he did it with his life. What he found is absolutely shocking and should be exposed. The US government should be transparent with the people. Instead they hide their dark dirty little secrets from the American people. For heaven sake‘s they’re hiding the fact that there is alien life. We the people should know what the hell is going on in the world today.
Seems she already has. Was reading an article saying that she is constantly harassed and moved around the prison due to inmates bullying and threatening her. Everyone in jail knows who she is and hates her.
@@joshuaowensjr8694 NOPE, I mean actual GORE TORTURE FOR HER💀🩸wasn’t that her hobbie, you get what you give, there’s no “oh I’m mentally ill so I have a free pass”
The government closed down the Psychiatric/mental institutions many years ago. This left decision of the management/treatment of afflicted people, to their families and local GP's... and the assumptive diagnosis' of trained mental health experts.. In the case discussed here, no one got it right and a life has been taken. As for the perpetrator, I have some empathy, but to those who should and could have stopped it, I have none. You ignored it and it cost a life.
IF THIS CRIME IS NOT CLASSED AS 'LIFE IMPRISONMENT WITH NO PAROLE IN THE BOOKS' YOU LEAVE A LOOPHOLE IN THE LAW , NEXT TIME THIS HAPPENS THEY WILL POINT AT IT AND MAKE A SOLID ARGUMENT ...... SOFT!
No loophole, but can open argument for a similar sentence. All depends how good the prosecution is. Most push for deals and sentences reduced for my liking.
@@LawyER_Nurse1989 Read what I said again. I never said it sets a precedent by the law. More that it opens up the opportunity to argue and make deals for lower sentences. I am not talking about the law itself. I don't think it will affect sentence with the majority of horrible murder cases down the track.
If I was the judge I would have sentenced her to Life imprisonment with a non parole period of 37 years The judge is right indeed this is one of the worst in fact the worst manslaughter case on NSW besides the unlawful killing of Samantha knight rip poor little girl 😭♥️
Reading out/giving the sentence is no easy task. There's punishment for the offender but there's also giving respect to those affected by the crime. Terrible events but the Judge gave a thorough assessment.
NARCISSISTS ARE DANGEROUS. How about we start focusing on properly identifying and dealing with these cancers of our communities... Seriously, how many more people have to suffer and die?!
She should have been put into a psychiatric unit for the rest of her Life. 21 years for apparently diminished responsibility due to her mental health, reduced to manslaughter is not justice, it is disgraceful.... She butchered her mother, and she knew exactly what she was doing!! And if released, will definitively do this again.
@@mimimitch327 Because Australia is a colonial relic of the former British Empire and whenever Australians think of refinement, civilised culture, society, traditions,institutions etc, they think "English" and start to try and look and act all English and imitate them. Never mind that we only started out as a dumping place or remote far flung prison for English crime they had no room for back in England.... So that's why we still have all these old English ways, traditions, social behaviours when Australians want to put on airs and graces and appear refined, as they sometimes do, and actually are, though it is hard for the outside world to believe this. I live near a remote bush town here that was once visited by the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh to check out an Airforce base. They actually rode on a "royal train" (which old bush locals say was "just the normal peoples' train to Melbourne jazzed up a bit, cleaned up...). That happened way back in the early fifties but they still talk about how the Queen actually came out to the bush to see them, even now, I recently heard an interesting train conversation about this event between two oldies: She didn't come to see YOU! Who'd want to bother visiting YOU! It was my family. We were free settlers here and pioneers, not convicts. Go back to Sydney, where all the convicts are from!". I thought this was odd, given how many bushrangers and outlaws ranged over Victoria, my state...And, oddly enough, all those Sydney types who boast about their convict origins from the colonial days are also the types who are into all things royal and English and put on so many airs and graces, but in a vulgar, loud, crass Sydney style, unlike the more sedate, refined Melbourne style.
@@justheretocommentokdontwan685 Sadly, there are NO quick fixes available to the doctors and/or community (which she has largely alienated herself deliberately from as one of the tragic features of her illness), but at least those who study medicine - including very complicated and extremely challenging complex pathophysiology involved, with multiple cross complicating conditions such as in this instance, are TRYING TO HELP, by dedicating their life's work to attempting to reduce the inherent misery of these conditions and the toll they take on the sufferer and their loved one's, in the hope that someday, a cure might be found. At least they try. As opposed to those who merely universally blame doctors etc., for 1. Not having a magic wand to fix her, and 2. Blaming them for using the only methods they currently have at their disposal to reduce the suffering of such patients, yet while you sit and pass judgment you don't offer any viable alternative suggestions for helping to relieve cases like the one discussed above!?!.... So....... What's your suggested treatment for relieving the symptoms of such tragic cases? If you have a magic answer and know better than everybody else, then come on..... Spit it out.... There are millions of sufferers around the world just about dying to hear it and start treatment like, Yesterday Already!, so they can start living happier, more carefree lives.... And a lot of frustrated physicians too, who will be delighted that they can finally make their patients all better.. We'll be right here waiting for your gem of wisdom/marvel of modern medicine... Because - I guarantee you - if you have that magic quick fix and all the answers, I'll nominate you for the Nobel laureate myself!!....
I’ve Avoided Drs for Years.. I’m in the US. I have a Bf who disappears and then Comes Back... A Parent I despise, A Sister’s Husband I can’t stand... A Workplace I hate... A lot of times There’s no Help out There
I pray the brave boy lives a happy life and gets through the trauma. There’s no help out there for her, she should be destroyed like an animal would be.
I think it is likely to be the reverse inside. The big girls in jail will probably need to have a healthy degree of "respect" for her, given what she has proved she is capable of. When a daughter doesn't even fear her mother and is ready to take her on and win, she needs fear no other female anywhere.... I think I'd avoid ever doing crime that could risk landing me in the same female prison as her. She is deadly!
One has to recognise the difficulty the judge had in applying the legal requirements in the face of such a crime and given the known behaviour of the offender. One can only hope that by 2041 there is a method of ensuring the safety of the community. Given the number of offences she has already committed while in custody, it is unlikely she will be able to achieve the level of conduct required to warrant parole. The dilemma of rights of the individual who has diminished capacity will always be in conflict with the rights of community to be safe. While the wholesale incarceration of people with mental illness or disability is not necessary, there is still a need to confine those who pose a risk to others but that seems to be a moot point.
Spare a thought to people in group homes that end up living with all the Jessica’s male and female who are assaulted and abused by them on a daily basis. If Jessica ever gets out of jail that is where she will be placed.
You can’t blame her actions on a disability when she clearly set out to look peoples company up through a mobile number come on if she’s disabled how did she do that her actions need to be held accountable for life she’s a danger to society.
Exactly the jury considered her bursts of anger towards random ppl for seemingly no reason as a sign of “human imagination” and so she lacks capacity or has delusions but thats not how delusions are and she admitted before that she lied about hearing voices just so she could be removed from a psych ward, she has full capacity and awareness of her actions she is just evil and narcissistic and no one has put her in her place yet
Actually she was treated by a renowned psychiatrist for years before this happened. She got lots of support and mental heath care prior to this incidence.
@@whysodamloud Oh sorry. RU-vid just played the next video. I've only just realised this was a year ago. I don't remember hearing about this case. I certainly never heard all these horrific details.
It would've been a nightmare to live with this woman, that said, it's apparent that some don't appear to comprehend the judge is confined in her judgements by the jury verdict & current sentences & legislation. I haven't seen one comment about how the government has systematically destroyed mental health facilities by closures & lack of funding, leaving defenceless families to take up the slack by taking the place of qualified professionals, no wonder when those families fracture & can't cope with a mentally ill loved one discontinuing medication & subsequent paranoia/breakdowns/violent outbursts, many many folks with mental health issues end up on the street. We need better solutions to these inherent societal problems.
@@amp279 I commented on this. But there other point is good too. The sentences for violent crime are 'manifestly inadequate', given that life expectancy is now 81.
@@DadSkool Me too. We have better ones in England. This one is a bit curly. In the UK we have long ones with large curls. This one does look a bit silly. Too much like a swim cap and no length. She needs a better wig.
21 years? Well that is a long time. But we're talking about a clearly unstable individual who is a danger to everyone around them. She isn't going to stop just because she's been locked up.
Not really, because legal appeals process costs millions. Far better to have automation in prisons and keep prisoners that are violent locked up for longer at low cost.
@@yggdrasil9039 put the convict into a drug-induced coma thereby putting a health limited cap on the technicalities and games their lawyers can use to drag it out, run up costs because the process in the USA errs on the side of caution and the convict can rot in gaol for 20 years, and then they get religion so the creature put to death is not the same as the person who commited the crime
My ex boyfriend has a son who exhibited many similar ehaviors od this horrible monster. I'm not at all insinuating he would have done something so horrific, but.....BUT. He began taking heavy drugs (which had a reputation for violent outbursts and delusion) and hanging out with older people with essentially nothing to lose who were into a plethora of illegal activities, ie robbing and beating people. They also regularly ragged about their guns and knives in social media. Well, my ex couldn't seem to understand why I didn't want to move into his house with his angry, doped up, violent son. He then began using the fact that I wasn't willing to subject myself to that kind of environment, gaslighting and insinuating his place wasn't "good enough" for me. What man would be ok subjecting his woman to potential harm?? He was a joke. You don't know what people are capable of, man. So glad I don't have to deal with ANY of that toxic bullshiit any longer.
Years ago patients who suffered from uncontrollable rages were given a lobotomy. I used to abhor this procedure, but listening to the details of this case, I wonder if this might not be suitable for the offender given she has no hope of rehabilitation, effective treatment, or a sane future. Transorbital lobotomy is rarely performed; however, shock therapy and psychosurgery (the surgical removal of specific regions of the brain) occasionally are to treat patients whose symptoms have resisted all other treatments.Feb 12, 2021
Shes even more dangerous because she has multiple behavioral disorders and in 25 years time might dexide to get off the medication again and SNAP into another one of her rages. Watch out people.
It was to allow all judges to be “the same”, to avoid “celebrity”. Or another words the judges “wig/robs” was to represent the court and the rule of law, that the Judge/Justice was its representative and their identity irrelevant to the proceedings.
As no hope of her restraining her own actions exist --in parallel with the evidence of the mental health system's own inability to deal with her condition(s)--, yet another daunting certainty will emerge. She is expected to offend upon release, regardless of her age, as she has proven that her rage is beyond restraint.
When she handed down the sentence she said murder first then corrected herself, because clearly that's what it was but our justice system is weak as piss
What good behavior? She's been assaulting fellow prisoners & police have been called to the jail, those will all have detailed accounts as well as prison officers/doctors/official write ups, if she continues with that, she'll end up doing the whole sentence because there's no reasonable justification for the governor to allocate her time off as there's documentation stating the opposite, that in fact her behavior hasn't been exemplary or incident free, so at this point you're comment is plain conjecture.
Why are none of these medical professionals held accountable too I mean seriously a naturopath is going to do nothing in this situation it’s like taking her to an art class how ridiculous- my partner had a psychosis they gave him Valium said take him home no psychiatrist is here this weekend - that night he swam out to sea 2 kilometres in the middle of the night and nearly died hadn’t it been for fisherman finding him - these hospitals are atrocious including the therapists
Le bajaron la sentencia solo porq fue capaz de "pedir ayuda"? O desear que la cabeza de su madre fuera colocada nuevamente en su cuerpo? Con eso vieron que ella no quería matar a su mamá y que se sentía culpable por lo que hizo?. Es una broma la sentencia Así cualq delincuente serial realizará una llamaba o pedir ayuda para minimizar su homicidio
Wow so the poor child was left with this nut in the car? Dam that kid not only witnessed the murder which is brutal enough but also much of the lead up to it......Bloody hell...She skipped crazy cat lady and went straight to postal.
RIP POOR RITA AND I HOPE THE LITTLE ANGEL RECOVERS AND I HOPE THAT GOD LOOKS AFTER HIM IN HIS LIFE AHEAD. I KNOW THAT JESSICA COULD NOT USE A TOILET AND WOULD WEE AND POO ON WEE WEE MATS THAT ARE USED FOR DOGS. RITA ONLY CARED A LOVED HER DAUGHTER OR DAUGHTERS AND GRAND CHILD I DO HOPE THIS HELPS JESSICA GET HER JUSTICE AND SHE CAN GET THE RIGHT MENTAL HEALTH NEEDED THERE IS ALOT OF HELP OUT THERE JUST NEED TO KEEP PUSHING I KNOW RITA REACHED OUT FOR ANY HELP FOR JESSICA AND WOULD GO WAY OUT TO GET THE HELP AND IT UNFORTUNATELY ENDED IN THE LOSS OF THE MOST LOVING ANGEL RITA SHE WAS ONE OF A KIND MOTHER AND VERY LOVING AND HELP ANYONE IM SORRY FOR KRISTY AND HER FAMILY AND THE BABY BOY WHO NOW HAS TO GO THROUGH ALL THIS HURT AND PAIN MAY THE SUN SHINE AND BLESS YOU ALL LOVE AND BLESSINGS ALWAYS
Something to do with Syphilis .. and drop bears tearing heads off .. then a pervert with chlamydia changes the direction .. It's all in the book " are you a total dmbsht .." 🇦🇺🤘
WTH are you talking about, I thought it was so idiots could tell who the judge was but I guess they couldn't figure out who was who do the wig is presented for the idiot.
If that were my kid I'd have signed away my rights and left her in a home. She was nothing but a drain t anybody that cared for her. Lock her away FOREVER. She is a broken, defective monster.
In New South Wales there a 3 manslaughter charges they are Voluntary manslaughter Involuntary manslaughter And Negligence manslaughter All carrying a maximum penalty of 25 years imprisonment
Ahh, the expertologists and chattering classes know much better than judge and jury. What a pity they did not just ask you people. The offender is clearly as mad as a hatter and not competent, will end up in a psychiatric institution.
