I have very few words for the epic 'shocks' and 'twists' that this SPECTACULAR AMAZING FRIVOLOUS TRULY INGENIOUS FASCINATING episode of johnathon circle the television show delivered
@HiddenXperia im just going to call it because keys died before reaching alpha halo🤦♂️ i think Miranda Keys will probably die when the flood is introduced but it would be crazy if they bring in the mission where marines first encounter the flood but who knows🤔
Sums up this series perfectly. It’s deviating BIG time from the canon. No keyes on halo, “blue team” is getting killed during the fall of reach, Spartans are just buff marines in this fight, seemingly no thel Vadam, command barely even TRIED to hold Reach, and now Makee is alive. Even the elites and jackals look a little weird. For every positive in this series, there’s two negatives.
I hate this thing in Hollywood where these screenwriters are so up their own ass, that they think they can do better than what has already been written and established. Its so narcissistic and egotistical.
Out of the millions of fans who grew up enjoying halo, the only ones making the TV show are the few who did not ever give a shit enough to even play the games, read the books, or watch anything on it. Just take an image, half an explanation, and write their own "legacy"
exactly. i calm, cool, collected Chief just running around absolutely man handling the Covenant, some cool CGI scenes of him doing parkour bomb deliveries in space.... The content is literally provided for them. and they are actively avoiding it. its crazy
@@MrPuddinJones "but we have to needlessly pad run time and have artificial drama and a bunch of nowhere plot points and make the main character as "relatable" as possible" :The producers probably
Administrative Results? Here? Hell yeah! I disagree with that though, if they did a live action retelling of the old Halo books they'd really have something. If it was just Spartans smoking aliens it'd get bland and formulaic real quick, just like The Mandalorian.
They did cut the shows budget in half compared to the first season. So I can’t blame the show runner right now because for how hindered he is he’s doing really good.
Absolute true, they have such a great lore, the had to change just a little bit for a TV series, but what did they ? They have to tell their own senseless Story, and change almost everything important in a bad way.
The show will flipflop between some of the coolest Halo related media ever made and the worse bastardisation of Halo canon I've ever seen. Every episode gives me whiplash
@@crypticbait I'm aware, but keen viewers of the show will notice that it's currently taking place during the Human Covenant war (I have no idea what point you're trying to make here?)
@@Lordoftheringwraiths They're spending like $10M per episode, I think that's more than enough. Forward Unto Dawn had a smaller budget than a single episode of this show...
Unless you hire people with nanism that could play the grunts, but the social justice people working on this show would find offensive to give them a role because of their size
“Hey Akerson, do you think we should grab Cortana the super advanced AI that can beat the covenant?” “No, but grab those spartan armors will ya. We’d hate for Master Chief to look like Master Chief.”
I'm pretty sure he hates Cortana and the Spartan program lol. Hell, I don't think anyone knows how important Cortana really is except Halsey and Keyes.
you are the most optomistic person in the world if you think this show will even touch the flood. they have no idea the parasite exist, never played the games member?
There are actually 4 major points in this episode that are insane. No mjlonir for the spartans, keyes is dead, mackee is alive, AND the Covenant captured Cortana. Halo CE starts by telling us how important Cortana is and why the Master Chief has to protect her at all costs. This isn't Halo, this is heresy
. . . .You're f-cking kidding me. . . . .they killed Keyes? Just throw the whole thing away what's the f-cking point? We waited over a decade for this sh-t?!?
And the worst thing is that it's done on purpose. They want to tell their own story so much that they feel like they have to destroy every important plot points from the games. They are literally blinded by their own arrogance, kinda like the Prophets of the Covenant. Ironic, isn't it ?
I’m certain cortana was left behind to be captured for a reason, it doesn’t make sense to take the armour but leave cortana and the writers are stupid but not that stupid, clearly a plan from ONI there.
@Deeznar to quote an eye patch wearing super spy. "I recognize the council has made a decision, but seeing as it's a stupid @$$ decision I've elected to ignore it." Unless that's straight up a fake Cortana, there's no excuse.
The SHEAR AUDACITY they had to kill off Vannak. Dude was the ONLY good character and they kill him off like this. Now I'm not even gonna give this show a chance.
@@lachlanaugello6548 I mean they have to do something unless they are going to go off course entirely, since chief is meant to end up on the pillar of autumn for halo CE, but I haven't watched any of the show so I don't know how close or not they are sticking to it.
Dear Forward Unto Dawn and Nightfall, I'm sorry for all the shit I ever, ever talked on you. You may not have been the greatest, but you were Halo. I can't believe I waited 23 years for This. Sincerely, a Halo fan
@@SpeedyGamingstop watching the show and go play CE please. If a whole season didn’t give you a clue as to where the series is going then you’re missing the boat. Enjoy the cut scenes from the game.
Okay this joke is so goddamn dumb, like the show kind of sucks , but naming it Reach City doesn't. In fact there is real and common historical precedent for it already. New York City , the most relevant city on the planet exists in a State called New York. The State became named after the city. It would not at all be surprising if the same happened with the first settlement on Reach.
So, they're doubling down on removing Spartan helmets by removing all MJOLNIR armor entirely. We always knew the creators were daft, but this is taking tone-deaf to a whole new level
They don’t have the budget to film such elaborate combat scenes and also have the Spartans in armor. VFX are expensive. So they had to write the lack of suits into the script.
@@delaseoul87 Unfortunately even it may be so, it is a bad decision. This is Halo the Spartans in combat always had their armor, especially at the beginning of the fall of reach. Not to addon alot of the fleet immediately abandoning the planet without with a fight, no the fall of reach was a hard drag military campaign to literally defend the planet. Huge numbers of UNSC fought their very best to do so. It was only nearing the end then higherups decided to leave the planet. If they didn't have the budget then they should not have even attempted to make this show in the first place. They have turn a military war science fiction into an inter human drama conspiracy series, Ridiculous this not Halo whatsoever.
My eyes couldn’t have rolled harder when they revealed that the Spartan armor had been taken off Reach. Miss no opportunity to insult the fanbase, apparently.
not to mention it makes no sense, normal humans can't use it. If ackerson wanted to bring all the HVTs he should have brought the people that can USE the armor. Yeah yeah he has spartan 3s so I guess he could give it to them but wtf.
But, this time it actually makes sense. Even if it’s convenient writing it still makes sense because it’s 100% something Ackerson would do in order to get rid of Spartan II’s for III’s(I know III’s should be introduced already but I’m alright with them not being here cause Noble team is absent)
@@matthewwelles8422it doesn’t make sense when all the fans have asked for is to see them in god damn fucking armour. If I wanna watch a human in normal ass clothes killing aliens I’d just watch fucking starwars. And they could have at least kept the tech suits on as you NEVER see a spartan in the games even a spartan 4 without their tech suit on. Just cause it “makes sense” doesn’t mean it’s a good idea in the slightest. If there was a constant threat of the covenant attacking reach why don’t they have their armour on at all times? So they are ready? Just like how police officers always have a sidearm in the small chance they have to actually use it. So really it doesn’t make sense as they literally aren’t even armed either at all while they are in the city. I was really hopefull for season 2 but unfortunately I ain’t even gonna bother wasting my life away watching the rest of the season. What a wonderful time to be a halo fan… it’s so fun to be constantly disappointed by everything that has the name “Halo”
Here's the thing tho, if Master Chief isn't wearing his armor, it makes it quicker to get to the Master Cheeks scenes, because *that's* what the fans really want.
The books literally describe how pale Chief is on Halo when he isnt in his armor because he practically lives in it. How do you get something so wrong my god. Edit: since everyone seems to be missing the point here, I dont care what color he is what I am saying is Chief was almost never out of his armor so he was described as being "ghostly pale". The point I was making was not having him in his armor literally all the time, thats the mistake they made
Vannek was way too strong and badass. The Spartan wash out was too white. That's why they died. It's like they have some sort of Skynet AI writing the scripts 😂.
Is bewildered that Keyes died- conveniently forgets girl boss Miranda hasn’t shown up in this season yet… there’s your captain to get proto-graveminded
@@totallyoriginaltboxtbh she was weakly characterized in the games and Johnson was present at every major decision she made except for chasing regrets ship and that's easy to swap another officer
goes to show that The producers did not pay attention to the games at all and only went with the three most iconic weapons the assault rifle magnum pistol and the energy sword
*ahem* skirmishers is reach had small wrist swords for close combat encounters. They obviously decided to give them to the jackles too. DONT say anything else you actually know what you know what you are talking about.
@@evanb7876 the writers themselves stated that they did not play or look at the video games. They clearly don’t understand the Covenant well enough. Jackals never had energy swords and neither do all the Elites. In the games it actually meant something when you were fighting regular Elites and then came across an Elite with a sword. You knew you were dealing with one of a higher ranking and skill. I know plenty about Halo. Make sure you do your research
Why tf would they be like, “ Oh umm Soo we’re gonna leave our most prized super soldier master chief(the guy who we invested a crap ton of money and resources to train and develop) and his squad to die on reach by not only abandoning them but by taking their COMBAT EXOSKELETON POWER ARMOR away so we can sing kum ba ya and live to fight another day after screwing up mankind’s best hope for survival”
This show feels like a book report where the kid just read the cliff notes and barely earned a C-. Every time they get something close to correct they almost immediately mess up a major plot point right after and crush my dreams of seeing a proper live-action adaptation of halo. At least the fight scenes are cool and they fixed the theme song.
"ONI pulled out with everything important INCLUDING the spartan armor because screw you. But they left the really important powerful A.I behind for the covenant for some reason because screw you again."
All we wanted was a series that followed the events in The Fall of Reach by Eric Nylund. All the writing and material is already there in the games and the expanded universe books. The show creators literally made it more difficult to make a Halo show for no reason other than their own ego - and the end result is all the worse for it. I wish the Halo movie directed by Neill Blomkamp was never cancelled, even if District 9 wouldn't have been made if we got what we should've had instead of this. -_-
I dunno, Makee got magically resurrected. They could do the same with Keyes. Or they'll make Miranda Keyes overtake the role and score some aribitrary DEI praise.
1. Cpt Miranda Keyes to take the place of her dad, Adm Keyes. Calling it now. 2. Why would Ackerson take the Spartan armour but not Cortana??? Makes no sense to leave your greatest strategic asset. 3. Perez was a comms officer when we first met her. Now she can fly a ship somehow as if she was a pilot? Foehammer call tag is calling... 4. Soren is totally gonna be this universes Sgt Johnson. Got the same vibes. 5. Rizz will be the Noble 6 sacrifice at the end. 6. Kai will train Spartan III's (might explain why the spartan armours were taken for reverse engineering) 7. The sword master elite killing his subordinate for interfering with his noble duel was a great touch. 8. Vannack's death was stupid. One needler shard?! That's it? One shard never blows up in the games so why would it here? Smh. So many good and bad decisions in this episode. If I knew nothing of the Halo universe I would probably be really enjoying it, but unfortunately...
in the books it does say that needler shard by themselves do cause a small explosion of sorts, its just when multiple combine that you get the large explosion, in ghost of onyx it says how one of the S3s had their side blown open by a couple shards, but that small detail doesn't save this show from being an absolute train wreck
Reverse engineer... Like apparently ONI only has 1 person working on things at a time and no one has clearance to see each other secrets in a place that spends millions to create those things. Real Halo Ackerson took over the program to make the Spartan 3s, he just knew how bad it was to get kids to become soldiers but he had access to all the information because he was assigned to replace Halsey. Here its like they are the two biggest factions and Halsey holds all the secrets.
@@bigrick3267 the only reason I would imagine they'd let Cortana get captured is because of how advanced of an infiltration AI she is, if she got access into high charity during the war she could wreck absolute havoc but i doubt the show creators would go that route, they probably don't know the difference between high charity and the unyielding hierophant
They've conveniently cut out the armour for the Spartans because it's much more expensive to film with the armor. It's much easier and cheaper to make shots that don't have the armour in them. I'm assuming we'll see a lot more of it as well. spartans with no armour I mean
Im pretty sure Makee is also just there to be an enemy that doesnt require expensive CGI to have on screen! despite being completely illogical to the the covenants ideology.
they fumbled the moment they showed the spartans caught off guard by the covenant attack on reach. like didn't mfs litteraly enacted winter contingency and fought a super carrier before the main fleet warped into orbit?????
I agree with you on the WWZ movement, the Sangheili are supposed to be honorable and skilled warriors yet they frantically sprint towards their enemies with primarily melee weapons, Jackals are meant to be agile and precise yet are shown to have the same brute like zombie-ish movement, it makes it feel like they're fighting some kind of dumb horde rather than a technologically advanced army
@@badman_iiixiii because they ran out of ideas so they decided to nostalgia bait us, the paramount producers don't have the minds to be able to do something even remotely sweet for the halo fans. halo 4 or 5 armor is coming for sure
I'm sure that when reading the first book, it said that the armour was like a second skin to Spartans and they are rarely take the armour off. I think I remember one 1 high ranking officer demanded the chief see him immediately but without his armour on, as a way to unsettle the spartin, but chief didn’t seem phased by this, but was only offended by there clear resentment of all Spartans in service.
*Things* *the* *Halo* *tv* *series* *always* *gets* *right:* Aesthetics and fights against the covenant. *Things* *the* *show* *occasionally* *gets* *right:* other fights not with covenant, picking certain actors who engross themselves in the role because they either are a Halo fan or wanted to respect the character, new characters, depicting certain lore events. *Things* *the* *show* *rarely* *gets* *right:* being lore accurate, making interesting subplots, consistent story telling, sound effects. *things* *the* *show* *seemingly* *never* *gets* *right:* Master Chief
This show is like if you read the plot summary from Wikipedia to Hollywood fart sniffers who've never seen or played the games, told them to do ten lines of coke, and then had them write a tv show after.
My Predictions: 1. Chief, Rizz and Sorren (now taking Vannick's place) will find old stored Mk V Armor, giving Chief his iconic CE appearance. 2. Makee will turn out to be a clone, not revived 3. Chief, Sorren, Rizz and Halsey will kill the arbiter and retrieve Cortana. Subsequently find a ship in a breaking yard that the UNSC has fixed up for an emergency takeoff called The Pillar of Autumn
We won’t know for sure until the end of the season, but I think the show writers are intending Ackerson to take Keyes place on Alpha Halo. I think this because it would be very poetic. Ackerson saw his father constantly forgetting things due to his dementia, and if Ackerson has the same death as Keyes, we will get a scene with him mentally fighting in vain against the proto gravemind to keep his memories. If we get a season 3, I hope happens.
The part with how there were explosions in one part of the city and they went to another and everything was fine was actually quite believable. I have seen riots and revolutions in places and afew blocks away it is as if nothing is happening.
Yes and I've even seen people not reacting to artillery strikes, but that was after 5 years of constant war, not a sudden appearance of alien holocaust in the sky
Except this is supposed to be a full fledged alien invasion. Why would that even remotely resemble a riot or revolution? The people making this show aren't even trying. And somehow they still get a free pass to get rich off this shit. It's disgusting.
"I wished they'd used the sound effects for the guns from the games" well you see, theres a very good chance these guys have never ever heard a BR, or a warthog chaingun or anything of the other guns from the games
So we have a Fall of Reach that has: No Covenant glassing, just random explosions All Spartans have no armor for some reason Chief stopping every few feet for a dumb "Is he human or machine?" moment The awkward "Women and men" line Keyes dying before we even get to Alpha Halo Nonsense drama no one cares about
Why this show is still on, if Halo Fans were smart, they would all unsub from where their viewing it. Send a message, they literally just murdered Halo infront of us all.
@@JJAB91 1, the fall of Reach is still ongoing. We can't rule out the glassing yet. 2, Keyes said "men and women" just before that line, so what's the problem?
Reddit is nothing but an echo chamber for mouth breathing neckbeards. And don't even get me started on reddit mods... I recommend staying off that app.
100% agreed with you here. Episode 4 was so dumb. Biggest dumbest decision is no Spartan Mjolnir armors with Chief, Riz and Vennec. Who would 've survived the needle spike IF THEY HAD THEIR ARMOR ON! I really hated that they killed off one of the most charismatic Spartans in the show. Keyes death didn't make sense either, it should've been the Colonel.
I get the feeling that the screenwriters for this show only had HALO described to them by someone else, rather than actually researching it. And to be clear, I mean the entire screenwriting staff all just talked to a single person who was their only source of information. And said single person is an avid fanfiction writer who writes too many fics and accidentally gets lore mixed up because 90% of their stories are crossovers and fusion-fics.
Everyone complained about them taking his helmet off in season one. the producers respond by taking all of his armor off and making him bulletproof………………..
5:40 Legit when the Elites were running across the bridge I thought they were brutes, this was one of the better episodes of the show (besides a few not so minor things), but if they got the movements and sounds right it would make the show much more enjoyable
Paramount exec: We need to cast a tall man to play a super soldier. Any ideas? some guy: How about the Rapey Guard from Orange is the New Black? He's 6'3! Paramount: Does he look like someone who would be a soldier? Some guy: Not at all sir. But he's way cheaper to get. Paramount: Perfect. Cast him immediately
Justice for Vannak! He was killed off not only because the showrunner is an idiot and chose that some of the most important and expensive assets of the UNSC should NOT have their armor, but also, the needler round he shot into the elite didn't explode immediately but waited for the elite to pull it out and stick it into him then decided to explode...sigh.
Showing Chief and the other Spartans without armor during the entire episode was pretty bold. (unpopular opinion?) It have the opportunity for the Spartans to be seen as the highly trained solders they are. Q. What is a Spartan without their armor? A. A highly trained solder, tactician and respected leader. Still deadly AF. Admittedly, I hope the rest of the season doesn't turn into "Halo: The Search For Armor", but I believe this (no armor) to be a valid storytelling device. As far as the 'slavish devotion to the game that many seem to be demanding? Serial episodic storytelling is a different medium than games story-wise. If all you want is a series of epic battle scenes, you already have the game. Serial storytelling requires intersecting storylines that resonate with each other and drama regarding the characters involved. I consider season 2 a vast improvement on the debut season. The show is certainly not without issues, but the 'serious' issues have to do with things other than lack of devotion to the source material.
Agreed on the Halo sfx (and lack of music). Also the BR should be 3-shot burst. Coin-flipping dialogue was great because it follows the lore from the first Halo book The Fall of Reach
@@tylortarantino3560 Good point. And towards the end Chief reloaded after firing like 5 shots from the Assault Rifle, though maybe he wanted a full mag
I know people shit on games workshop for not letting people be creative with their content like fan made stuff,but I think this is why they do it so some idiots don’t completely change what they are about.
This show is a prime example of how big studios treat video game adaptations nowadays. Change everything and use the source material as little as possible. It's all about the name and brand recognition as a marketing tool to bring viewers in. This could be any generic sci fi action show.
That's assuming they care enough about the lore and worldbuilding of Halo to make Elites wear the armor and colors that correspond with their rank classifications. I doubt they even know what Zealot class means.
@@DanDanMan8840 at the time they did not say he was the Arbiter, but now that they have confirmed that, I stand corrected. But it sucks that they took away any chance of this Arbiter having a similar "the prophets are false and are leading my people a stray" moment the original Arbiter had because Makee just convinced him to betray his role as the Arbiter.
Can we just all agree that coming from the franchise with names like "Pillar of Autumn", "Spirit of Fire", and "Mendicant Bias", the name "Reach City" is... a little uninspired. Also, I spat my drink at the "ma man's got 5 attack" joke. Thanks Xperia. 😂😂😂
Since this is completely separate timeline of Halo, how far back did the separation occur? It had to be far before the Insurrection just due to the vast amount of changes.
The sad truth is this isn't Halo at all. This is barely even an alternate timeline. It's like they just put tags related to Halo in the description then just made whatever the hell they wanted.
"We want to see Chief and Silver Team defending Reach in their Mjolnir..." It's not about what you want. It's about what the writers and producers of the show want. And they want to see the Spartans' faces.
The explosions in the beginning were the power generators powering the orbital defense mac cannons keeping the covenant from glassing the planet. They blow up enough, and the cannons can't shoot. It's in the dialouge you probably missed.
Fox 1: This is NOT Halo! They've killed it sir! Fox Actual: What are you saying Colonel? Fox 1: It's the FUBAR CONTINGENCY Fox Actual: May God help us all...
My prediction on why ONI/Ackerson took the armor, and how it could be a great writing decision, is this: In season 1, the armor that chief is wearing is stated in the show to be Mjolnir Mark VI (6). ONI, when ditching reach city, grabs the armor, because it’s the most advanced version, and probably wants to study it for his spartan III’s on earth. Meanwhile, Halsey, back on reach, will need an armored spartan to retrieve Cortana, and she would presumably know where to find a suitable replacement in the depths of section 3, reach city, or wherever. So, the prediction is that before chief fights the arbiter again, he’ll have to go and get the Mark V (5) armor before getting his A.I. BAE back, setting up his OG a halo 1 armor for season 3’s escapades on halo. If this is the case, it would be a great setup for him to get Mark VI (6) back when returning to earth after the events of halo. I’m not implying the show had this thought out from season 1 (clearly), but it would be a great way to give halo fanboys a few “WTFFFF YESSSS OMG MarkV” moments in future episodes.
"How it could be a great writing decision" I agree that sounds interesting if they had a half decent writer on this it could happen. But if you had to put money on it do you think any of the writers, cast , director, costume designer know what "OG" means? If you had to put money on it do you think half of the people working on this knows what a Halo does? Cause from the look of the Elites none of them know what an elite is... It looks like they were designed using the telephone game.
DRIVES ME UP THE WALL that the mjolnir armor is considered a high value asset, not only that cortana isnt, but neither are the actual spartans that pilot the mjolnir armor. the same spartans that the government spent millions on cybernetic upgrades, decades training and raising. Baffles me.
I have this bad feeling that they're going to get enough negative feedback that they're finally going to wreck on everything and just be like oh yeah it was all flash clones
An ADMIRAL “sacrificing” himself has to be the dumbest most braindead tactic ever, a leader of an entire navy is more important then everyone else on that ship
I'm gonna guess that the 3 moments that has him cracking up with madness are 1. Akerson just casually leaving Cortona behind and the Covenant just strolling in and taking it (how did they know so much about Cortona, her location, that she was actually just left behind...) 2. Admiral (not CPT) Keyes just being killed off (thats one helluva timeline change for no real reason) 3. Akerson decided he didnt need the most powerful AI ever created but that Spartan armor? Yea hes going to need that! So he can put it on the Spartans that he doesnt have because he left them all to die on Reach... Like seriously, the armor isnt very useful without Spartans and they arent exactly making more Spartans without Halsey, who they also left behind to die on Reach... Lets see if I'm right😊🍿 Ok I was 2 1/2 right! But I got that spoiler that S-III do exist in this universe🤦🏽♂I figured they didnt have any S-III's in this timeline for a number of reasons but I guess, according to this spoiler, they do🤷🏽♂
This show really does feel like a skinwalker version of what we know and love. It attempts to look and act like our beloved franchise, but fails horribly bc it doesn't understand basic concepts that were core aspects of the games/novels. Also the physics and mechanics are driving me INSANE. The single needle shard exploding like s supercombine, Chief taking a plasma blast without armor, Rizz FLOATING IN WATER WITH HER FULL SUIT OF ARMOR, the zero kickback of any UNSC weapon, are just the top of my list.
Them killing Keyes was them trying to make an emotional scene but realizing they do not have any buildup for that. It’s such a lame decision, you don’t even feel bad or anything it just happens. Hey I guess it reflects the series quality
I think the reason there were no covenant ships was because they sent the small strike force to sneak into reach and shut down the orbital defense grid. They touched on it at one point I think, saying they have to protect the power grid or whatever so the mac cannons don’t shut down
Hey Paramount. 1. Why is keys black? and dead? 2. Why do the Jackels look more like elites? 3. Why is reach not getting glassed? 4. Why is Cheif not in his cryopod? 5. Why is all the Spartan armour in a ship off planet? 6. Why is Cortana in Covenant hands despite supposedly being in Halseys lab getting finished off? 7. Why did cheif bang a covenant hostage? 8. Why does cheif look like a quief? 9. Why do you have chevrolet Silverardos in the year 2500? 10. Why is reach's capital called reach city? 11. Where are the covenant Corvettes? I refuse to belive this series is canon. Sorry.
