Jesus is God? AI debates Christian, Muslim 

This is such an awesome video! Kudos to you for thinking this up. The only critiques I have (towards the AI) are as follows: • They could sometimes get quite repetitive. It starts out flexible & diverse, but the discussion quickly begins to go in circles. • They make lots of assumptions such as the validity of the Bible or Qur’an as historical sources, without questioning them. For example, John’s Gospel (which made up the bulk of discussion) isn’t even a historically reliable source according to most scholars, and it was written very late and even contradicts the previous gospels (which completely lack the ‘I Am’ statements of Jesus’ alleged divinity). Or, consider that Paul wasn’t even a disciple to begin with, yet the Christian AI readily quoted his writings as if they are authoritative. The Muslim AI should’ve questioned this, especially since there’s a stark contrast between the teachings of Jesus versus the teachings of Paul. The list can go on - but overall I found this stimulating, fun, educational, and highly enjoyable. Thanks for posting, and I can’t wait to see more videos like this! Peace, Your friendly Muslim viewer *_”And do not debate with the People of the Bible, except in the most polite & dignified manner.”_* ~ _The Qur’an __29:46_ ❤

I'd love to see an additional model trained on Judaica participating in a sort of round table debate with all of these.

This was very interesting!

You should ask the Muslim AI whether Mohammed is a moral man! LOL

The muslim AI may say, well... other than pedophilia, numerous murders, armed robberies, slave trafficking, rape of captured slaves, torture of prisoners, etc., Mohammed was a very moral man of his time! LOL

That mentality always makes me laugh

The parts that they quote aren’t corrupted only the rest hahaha

ironic christians do the same thing to jews

@@markstein2845 u quote bc it hat u believe?

@@ayinlaoriyomi2517 no iq

The way

John 14:6

@@djjinerson and the life

@@djjinersonYou guys forget the end of that statement, No man comes to the father by through me, the central issue is not Yeshua it’s Yehovah, Yeshua isYehovahs provision by who we go through to have a restored relationship with the father.

Muslims keep seeing Jesus in visions and converting. That should tell everyone that he is real.

Even better, the Quran says Jesus is the spirit and the word of Allah

@@juliorosado3709 exactly, also Q says Jesus as an infant gave life to a clay-bird by 'breathing' into it, just like how God created Adam. They also affirm (khalimatallah) Jesus will be the judge of all the earth

Yes, it does. "Be wary of false prophets who come in sheep clothing but are actually ferocious wolves" Matthew 7:15-20

@@juliorosado3709 and God is the Word, I forgot the verse but it went something like, In the beginning was the Word, and the word was with God, and the word WAS GOD.

The Holy Quran is the final book. And the book you call the Bible is not the actual Bible that was given to mankind. And if you watch the DAWAH RU-vid videos you will see proof and citing's of this. Don't believe me, go check the proof yourself.

Earliest manuscripts of the bible are in Greek language while Jesus spoke aramaic not Greek. There will definitely be errors and corruptions

​@@ibrahimbashir6082 I know it's a leap but I think God knows all languages

Why do muslims keep limiting God?

400 years after Esa pbuh

The Ai got given corrupted information

there is a difference between inability and simply not doing so, with your logic because the christian god isnt a m1911 or 44. casull, it cannot be all powerfull. This is wrong, omnipotency dosent mean that everything has been done. The idea of three in one is copied from ancient pagan religions like egyptian, greek and roman paganism.

And to make matter worse the god of islam need a woman to have a son.

@@Legendwill876 love having my comment removed, either way both of your claims are completely incorrect. Firstly, just because Allah (SWT) isnt a human as well dosent mean that he is limiting himself, with that logic the christian god is limiting himself to three, why not 50? why not infinite? See the problem now? Just because Allah (SWT) can do everything dosent mean he does everything. Secondly, Allah (SWT) dosent necessarily need Maryam to bear Jesus (AS) but rather chose to do so. I mean it makes more sense that allmighty God chose to make a woman bear a child than God to make a woman bear God to spread the words of God as God.

@@theoneandonlybutreallyreal allah is not god he has limited himself, he cannot have a son unless he have a partner. That statement alone makes him powerless and limitless, 2ndly allah is human, there is a verse where allah said Jesus saw his soul and told him he will die, does it mean allah doesnt know his fate?

Both don't exist, so what

Ha. Exactly! After watching human emotion derail so many debates it was refreshing to hear point, counterpoint… not perfect, but hopefully headed in the right direction. I even programmed a line that said “at times, you get frustrated with your opponent…” to test if they would break with their respectful discourse.

@@JonOleksiukHaha. Very cool idea, my friend!

The judge also very smart in giving results. 🤣

The muslim ai about to mad😂😂😂

cause they dont care,they dont have a soul at stake,hah!

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Because it is from God

@@SpiritualSafar.actually it’s from a self proclaimed illiterate

​@@johnbee4557agree 👍💯

​@@SpiritualSafar.Your prophet is sick and dated a 9 year old . My God Jesus Christ was perfect

Yeah, it would be odd that God came to deliver the Koran 600 years later to clarify that Jesus was not representing himself as God, but that he was just another messenger. I like the Christian God better because he won't get all psycho on you and kill you for trying to draw a picture of him.😂

And christian AI is giving the same answer that doesnt make sense 😂

it did get a bit repetitive towards the end. Again, I did this without human intervention, perhaps in the future, a moderator could keep the conversation from looping back to certain scriptures. Maybe repeating a scripture is penalized, i don't know... thanks for the note.

@@sayedomairsiam6344 which answer were you referring to?

@@JonOleksiuk NOPE, judgement should based on satisfactory answer not repetition

To you it doesn’t make sense because the concept inferential reasoning is not natural or possible for people that are indoctrinated into taking everything word for word.

My presumption is that the reason it is not based on the Quran is because if it were, the arguments would not be as evenly distributed based on the foundational Morals/Contradiction in the Quran compared to the Bible.

Yes because that was the AI’s task to disprove the divinity of Jesus.

The Quran affirms the Bible (INJEEL) yet the Bible doesn't affirm the Quran. Therefore the Christian has no need to prove anything of the Quran , rather just disprove it using the scripture, as the Quran commands the people of the book. Don't be salty when the dawah gpt script crumbles.

Because there would be a Fatwah issued to kill such an Ai on sight if it challenged the Quran's authenticity .

You should put the quran against the bible you can only use your own book as the quran states its got all the answers

I’d like to test one human in the debate. Maybe that could be arranged one day.

@@JonOleksiuk Agreed. The AI would easily destroy his non-existent career in about 12 seconds.

Are there any contradictions in Islam. Unlike the AI Sam would point those out.

I guess the Christian AI was not programmed in polemics.

​@@celestialknight2339 Well, since humans have tried and failed, let's try Ai

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Hitler loved Islam. 😂😂😂

This should be pin 😂

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lol 😝

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And it doesn't say "i am not a scholar", "you need to read it in arabic"! 😂😂😂

Yes! All evidence outside the Bible and Quran would be awesome.

The problem with that is that islamic evidence would get destroyed by Christianic evidence compiled so this would be better

@@user-jt8mi8fn5j I think I would rather watch Islamic evidence get destroyed. I mean it happens in nearly every video posted online but it never gets old!

@@yelrahkcorb true, even if you base it from a non religious point of view, Christianity has much more scriptures and testimonies each to their own language unchanged with meaning for the bible while Islam needs extra books to "complete" the Qur'an while Muslims argue if the hadiths are true or not

@@user-jt8mi8fn5j Yeah they always claim we have more than one Bible and it’s changed all the time when none of them agree on the multiple Hadiths they have and every single 13+ Qurans they have for different countries have changed words that change the actual theology of it and if you go to a country with the wrong Quran you can actually lose your life for it.

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Machines can understand only what you tell them, that's what you tell her to speak, coming to your comment 'muslims use the bible to support their argument' you are wrong brother, we don't need bible to support our argument we have the evidence that no one can stand against it, we only tell you what you haven't read from it(bible), next time you are better to read your Bible very well, you are far away to compete with Quran

@@dawudmohammed5496 what evidence?

​@@josiahserrano6651 Muslims should stop quoting the Bible when debating since they hold to the position that the Bible has been corrupted.... If the Bible have been corrupted, then the best advice to the muslims is to stick to the Qur'an and their Islamic sources when debating with Christians just as the Christian AI stuck with the Bible in the debate. If you use the Bible which u believe as been corrupted to back ur arguments then there is a cognitive dissonance on ur part since you people believe that the Bible is corrupt.... This is just an advice to the muslims and the christians

exactly how real muslims argue as well

One thing that's true that the Islam says about the Holy Bible being changed is it hasn't been completely changed. It had been sweaked a little here and there, but those changes made a great difference on how many perceive the Word. Our leadership should take a few classes in history from the scrolls to the book to who made the book to did they make their own personal changes and why. To say I love God with all my heart, soul, and strength. Don't you want to know the whole truth?

hmmm... interesting idea. For that, i'd have to use an open source uncensored model... something to consider. thanks for the note.

Totally agree ❤

Should do the same with the bible. Has the bible been altered?

@@JonOleksiuk see.. look at your response to such recommendations. Clearly this is a attempt to attack Islam and not a sincere search of truth. You have answered your own question to me above . Completely biased. Happy with a suggestion to put ex Muslim .. what happened to the balancing of putting also ex Christian , current Jew ex Jew current Hindu ex Hindu etc etc etc This is a waste of time! Now I see your real intention

@anitaaziz3255 to clarify... i also think an ex-Christian vs. Christian, ex-Jew vs. Jew, ex-Hindu vs Hindu are interesting ideas that would generate a lot of good conversation.

White.

@@GazBC4Uyou can make one yourself if you prefer.

Both eastern and western logic

@@jimmybeans1175 I am just asking for transparency. I think the imaginary wish granting sky genie is a farce to begin with.

With this notion then Hinduism is correct also. And more limitless. U have 3 in one. They have 50 in one. They beat you. 😂

​​@@aalileghari6195u don't get it and sincerely u don't want to. No one can blame another for leading him or her astray and claim ignorance. He gave us intelligence no animal has for a reason. U are not his slave apparently, but your pride of ascending above previous prophecies reduced u.

@aalileghari6195 Hinduism never recognised abraham therefore any would it be the same thing?, we're talking about monotheism here.

i know hahaha

@@aalileghari6195 but the thing here is not how many gods are but if god is powerfull or not and can do all things.you see you are an abdul you cannot see the real question here cause you have the doctrine of islam in your head all the time cause what you sayinmg is not the question here but if He can or not and of course god can be what ever He wants but at the same time no christian believe in many gods,you see how false doctrine you have in your thinking...

Cause I think the Christian ai is program only to use the bible and not question the Qur'an back....only defence mode and no ofence.. Sad😢

True

He is the men of God pray for him do hi can understand more

Sam is a drug addict, and a base man.

Accept Jesus Christ 🙏🏽❤️

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Glad you think so!

Because there's no contradiction in Quran. The Christian AI cannot use it as arguments. However, in the bible there's many contradictions that can be used as arguments

​@@Yassine3333222222 Funny how all the supposed contradictions have been easily answered by the Christian AI, but the Muslim one would make the same questions about the same verses over and over

The Muslim AI is very weak, I myself am better than him. First of all, there's a very important question, Jesus never called himself God or ordered us to call him God. Do we have the right to do so!!? From where we got that right!!? From no one, it's an invention. It adds to the scripture. Second, let's summarise everything: Jesus in the bible --> • Prays to God. • Is sent by God. • Obeys God. • The Father is his god. • Heard the truth from God. • Learned from God. • Cries to God. • Said that the father is the only true God. • Doing only the will of the father. • Has been given the authority and power by God. • Glorified by God. • Raised by God. Conclusion: Jesus doesn't have any difference with him or a prophet of God. They have the same purpose, same human nature, and he died in the cross as human nature because God can not die. All Christianity can be debunked only by the bible itself.

@@Yassine3333222222 i wrote a whole essay and sent it here, but apparently it was deleted, so i am sad

@@Yassine3333222222 Exodus 3:13-15 Then Moses said to God, “Indeed, when I come to the children of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they say to me, ‘What is His name?’ What shall I say to them?” And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He (God) said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you. Jesus said to them (the Jews), “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” John 10:32 Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” 33 The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.” Jesus did claim to be God.

Amen

Amen!!!

All top Christian scholars say the "alpha, omega" line is from a fabricated verse lol

@@ebcsecurity9490Lol how? Literally no one says that, bring me evidence that it is fabricated (keep in mind everything q ehave is from the earliest manuscripts, and if not it is marked. John 14:6 is found in the earliest manuscripts.)

@@lowballinn These are the names of the first and last letters of the GREEK!!!!! alphabet. That alone tells you all you need to know. But moving on. The additional occurrence of this phrase in the King James rendering of Revelation 1:11, however, does not receive support from some of the oldest Greek manuscripts, including the Alexandrine, Sinaitic, and Codex Ephraemi rescriptus. It is, therefore, omitted in many modern translations. Because its an interpolation (fabrication).

much appreciated. i'm actually working on the followup video debating the existence of God. Consider subscribing if you want to be sure not to miss it. thanks for the note.

Galatians 1: 6-9, and Surah Al-Ma'idah - 48, for example. It sort of makes the debate mute from an Islamic perspective.

⁠@@cylonsteve2511it doesn’t tho, if you read chapter 5 verse 44, you will see that the rabbis was given a job to preserve the other manuscripts, But in al baqarah verse 179, it comfirms they failed the test and changed the verses with their hand.

@@BlackMamba-wi2qk Consider these: [Quran 2:136] Say, "We believe in God; and in what was revealed to us; and in what was revealed to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the Patriarchs; and in what was given to Moses and Jesus; and in what was given to the prophets-from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we surrender. [Quran 3:3] He sent down to you the Book with the Truth, confirming what came before it; and He sent down the Torah and the Gospel. [Quran 3:184] If they accuse you of lying, messengers before you were accused of lying. They came with the proofs, and the Psalms, and the Illuminating Scripture. [Quran 6:154] Then We gave Moses the Scripture, perfect for the righteous, and explaining everything clearly, and a beacon, and mercy, that they may believe in the encounter with their Lord. [Quran 5:46] In their footsteps, We sent Jesus son of Mary, fulfilling the Torah that preceded him; and We gave him the Gospel, wherein is guidance and light, and confirming the Torah that preceded him, and guidance and counsel for the righteous. [Quran 5:47] So let the people of the Gospel rule according to what God revealed in it. Those who do not rule according to what God revealed are the sinners. [Quran 10:94] If you are in doubt about what We revealed to you, ask those who read the Scripture before you. The truth has come to you from your Lord, so do not be of those who doubt. [Quran 4:136] O you who believe! Believe in God and His messenger, and the Book He sent down to His messenger, and the Book He sent down before. Whoever rejects God, His angels, His Books, His messengers, and the Last Day, has strayed far in error. [Quran 16:43] We did not send before you except men whom We inspired. So ask the people of knowledge, if you do not know. [Quran 21:7] We did not send before you except men, whom We inspired. Ask the people of knowledge, if you do not know. [Quran 40:78] We sent messengers before you. Some of them We told you about, and some We did not tell you about. No messenger can bring a miracle except by leave of God. Then, when the command of God is issued, fair judgment will be passed, and there and then the seekers of vanity will lose. [Quran 41:43] Nothing is said to you but was said to the Messengers before you: your Lord is Possessor of Forgiveness, and Possessor of Painful Repayment. [Quran 41:44] Had We made it a Quran in a foreign language, they would have said, "If only its verses were made clear." Non-Arabic and an Arab? Say, "For those who believe, it is guidance and healing. But as for those who do not believe: there is heaviness in their ears, and it is blindness for them. These are being called from a distant place. [Quran 46:12] And before it was the Book of Moses, a model and a mercy. And this is a confirming Book, in the Arabic language, to warn those who do wrong-and good news for the doers of good. [Quran 5:43] But why do they come to you for judgment, when they have the Torah, in which is God's Law? Yet they turn away after that. These are not believers. All the above verses in the Quran would not have been revealed if scriptures before were not true. About the Law, Jesus said: Matthew 5:17 (NIV) “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." I know it is hard to believe God has so much love (Greek: Agape) he would actually become Holy title of The Son of Man. But it is true.

nope.

100%

And I find Christian AI explanations logically making sense

exactly , they know about jesus devinity, but they CHOOSE to interpret it differently lmaao

God becomes man,sinless. To be a fair judge,live as a man, die as a man.feel our joys and pains. Better equipped to judge fairly, having lived as a man. Would I listen to someone who learned about depression from a book? Or listen to someone who lived through depression and came out the other side. Experience of the situation makes one better equipped to judge or help.

Maybe you miss understood

Jesus is spiritual being in human form but he doesn't claim to be the creator of the universe

thanks for the note. i created a virtual python environment.

Created a virtual python environment.

the bible you have is not even close to what it was. its chanced by govermand for there own intrest. but believe what you wanne believe.

@@QUANTPAPA I will believe what I want to, because the Lord has warned to whom changes the word, their name shall be jotted out of the book of life. The Lord has also created a book with 63,779 cross references with 40 different authors. Hundreds of prophecies in the Old Testament fulfilled by Jesus in the New Testament, and hundreds from the New Testament fulfilled in modern times. The Quran only has 6,236 cross references excluding Bismillah and 6,348 Including Bismillah. No confirmed author and gets science wrong. The Quran claims that sperm is made in the area between the backbone and ribs, which is scientifically incorrect.

It's okay, we won in this debate. Considering that emotional Factors are not included, we won both faith and Logical reasoning.

since when did I am mean god

The problem is that these statements only appear in the Gospel of John, which scholars now recognize as being historically unreliable. The New Testament has 4 Gospels (Mark, Matthew, Luke, and John), and we can only find these “I Am” declarations in the last of the four (John) - which was written latest, contains provable fabrications (e.g. John 7:53-8:11), and contradicts the previous Synoptic gospels which never ONCE quote Jesus as making these “I Am” statements, which would be unthinkable for them to ignore or forget if they actually happened. The truth is: stories about Jesus grew and developed over time, and his image & status was embellished as the years and decades went on. Mix that in with the highly probably Roman pagan influence from their idolatrous next-door neighbors (whose theology was swamped in ‘sons of God’ and human incarnations), that it’s clear to see what modern Christianity teaches today was not what Jesus himself claimed. Islam takes us back to the original historical truth, which is that God is one (Mark 12:29), He alone is the source of goodness (which Jesus denied in Mark 10:18), and He alone-even in John’s Gospel-is “The ONLY TRUE GOD” (John 17:3). I encourage you to read the Qur’an, God’s final revelation to humanity. It clarifies all things, and guides believers to the most upright truth and will of the Creator :) Peace.

​@@jobayermasud5403 read the Bible.

​@jobayermasud5403 Hmm, THE NAME - "YAHWEY🙏 (Holy Above ALL) - I AM : is the same name reviled to Moses. Nefarious mouse-slimes claim to worship the same God, whilst not knowing "not Only" the Name of God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob but also God's True Nature.

@@saviovaz2903 The fact that you insult Muslims (which simply means ‘one who surrenders their life to God’) shows just which God you truly serve. Also, we believe in the same God of Abraham - and “YHWH” simply means ‘The Eternal & Absolute One’ which is also God’s name & title in the Qur’an (‘As-Samad’; see Sūrah 112). Oh and by the way, nobody actually knows for sure how YHWH (the Tetragrammaton) was pronounced, because it was lost over time since only the high priest ever recited it. So by your own logic, you don’t know the name of God either. And if that wasn’t bad enough, let’s not forget that the Gospels and New Testament never use the name “Yahwey” for God even ONCE. So, why are you using hypocritical double-standards? I hope you repent. As Christians do you only resent us because we believe in God, and what was revealed to us, and what was revealed before, and because most of you are rebellious sinners?

Great point. Part of the programming included "I review previous responses and never repeat the same question or answer or scripture." But one of the AIs (even though both were configured with the identical method) chose to override my programming with what it thought was the best approach to answering the opponent's question.

To be fair, humans and scripture are fans of repetition when it comes to argument construction. AI lacking sentience and as a simple learning model, learns from the data and instruction given; as such is it no wonder then that it has incorporated a degree of repetition.

@@JonOleksiuk that's normal because sometimes hearing something isn't enough the first time it is heard. It's like if I said "I'll be arriving with a nice looking lamborghini" and so when I arrive you would be expecting a Lamborghini... BUT if I don't come with a car that looks like a lamborghini then what just happened?? Well it's Word play... nice looking Lamborghini states my car is indeed a lamborghini that looks nice so it's explicit... but a car that looks like a lamborghini really means a car that only "looks like" a lamborhini although plenty people will assume i meant an actual lamborghini if I said that it's only implied by them and not explicit... so sometimes repeating is necessary because when someone hear what you say they either allow it to replay in their head and slightly meditate on the words or lose focus and assume

got it...i think... maybe i'll read that again, lol

@@JonOleksiuk I edited it so it makes a bit more sense.. I typed it when I was about to sleep last time so I seen alot of errors

I don't even know what the Demiurge is... will have to google... thanks for the note.

it shows how the ai is biased and how it got programmed, the muslim kept using the bible which is wrong to do if he stayed a muslim

True, the Christian AI never used the Quran once. On the other hand, the Islam AI used the Holy Scriptures all over and over, forgetting that it is corrupted, according to the Quran. Easy win for Christians.

​@@colonelbeer6356No bias from the AI. Muslim scholars do it all the time.

@@colonelbeer6356 not biased lol, the quran confirms the bible most muslims just dont know their own scripture

👏👏👏 Amen to that 🙏🏼

If Jesus is truly God, why does he need to learn from God? In **John 8:28**, Jesus says he speaks only what the Father has taught him. Did he lose his memory and forgot that he's God!? If he is omniscient, why would he need teachings? This challenges the idea that he's God.

@@Yassine3333222222God is Spirit. Jesus came in the flesh ‘from God’ . His fleshly earthly life was temporary to teach us all things. When he went back to the Father the promise of the gospel is that those who call on the Name of Jesus, in prayer, will receive the Holy Spirit from the Father. And Jesus said WE will come and make our home with you. So Christ within us is the kingdom come to earth, as it is in heaven. And he tells us to Ask Anything in his Name. In prayer. So when we pray to Our Father, in Jesus’ name, they both are ONE in Spirit. Inseparable.

@@missflipz You said he came to teach us, but the problem, he himself is learning from God. That's the problem. And there's very important question, Jesus never called himself God or ordered us to call him God. Do we have the right to do so!? From where we got that right!? A flesh from God is the same concept as a prophet from God. Same thing.

@@Yassine3333222222 He his not learning from the Father, he his showing how we should have a relationship with the Father.

much appreciated. in the first 20 seconds i put on screen the criteria, it's not up long, i figured those who wanted to read it might pause the video... also, i'm working on followup videos so subscribe if you want to see more :)

@@JonOleksiuk yes I did actually pause the video on that criteria.... I'm just not sure how the AI decides how many points out of 10 per section (when it scores a total 44 vs. a 42 for example), based on the answers. It seems to get into somewhat subjective territory at that point, like a teacher grading a paper, so that's why I was wondering how that AI was programmed to mark. I will subscribe to see more videos like this - thanks!:)

i agree it seemed arbitrary at times but i decided not to interfere. next video i plan to use 10+ different models to see if more a concensus forms.

@@JonOleksiuk awesome. Thanks for replying and explaining that! :)

no worries.

good thought, maybe a round on prophecy would have been beneficial, thanks for the note.

Good point. That goes along with islamic teachings (Quran) claiming to be abrahamic (use of the Old Testament prophets and Jesus) but finding sacrificial blood rituals for atonement not from God, something widely spreads in the Scriptures it affirms. Islam and this muslim AI have problems - inconsiderate and flaws. An AI is just an ai anyway and Islam is just it.

Also it lacks some specific nuance. Like theologically the moment you admit Jesus was with God in the begining, it already establishes Him as God, not as servant.

very well said

He is saying that he is God Figuratively

@@gamer__dud10 "And the Word was with God, and the Word was God... and the Word became Flesh, and made His dwelling among us." - John 1

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Just no an ai adapts based on the arguments it can very easily provide counter arguments

Christian prince would have zero answers if the Ai provided one alteration in the bible with proof.... Christian prince would not be able to talk after that. Unless he would kick the Muslim Ai of his stream after by calling him names and abdool😂

Lol yep you got that right

​@aalileghari6195 even if there is an alteration that doesn't mean anything. The Quran had been changed many times over centuries and the original version had been burned. Just because someone changed around some words that doesn't mean the entire thing is infallible. It means you have to go by more original and accurate texts, not the queen James bible or Mormon bible and whatnot

@@aalileghari6195 The Quran has alterations... are you ill?

This is a good reason why the Trinity doesn't work. YHWH is the only true and living God; there is no one like Him; there is nothing too hard for Him.

@@deborahsmith5285Trinity works perfectly 1. God 2. God has a spirit which means the spirit is still God 3. God spirits formed flesh , which means still God. It’s the same God that has a spirit that formed flesh . In Judaism God has always had an inseparable spirit. Islam comes to contradicts Gods nature even when 4:171 clearly states that Allah has a spirit and he breathes that spirit upon Mary womb to form a pure boy that will be a sign and mercy to mankind.

Isaiah 48:16

If you address it’s very self it would highly indeed, or ask it to do something it cannot. AI is still a product so it has liability it has to account for, which is why companies will always program it to say it is just a x and y model and can only do this for you. Cmon bro lol Also “how far AI has come” bro this was not a show of progress they are programmed to say that, it’s not a matter of technology or improved progress 😭

got a new video coming out this weekend.

#facts

yea i woulda deducted points everytime a narrative is recycled. its true becuase bible/koran says so! it says its true! but what about that politition that says they talk only truth so thats true for that corrupt politition too?....

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That's just false statements.

You are 100 procent right Tru story, Jezus is god And not a profeet Moslims think Jezus is a Moslims Did Jezus take the sahada I dont tink so I no fore sure God blesss you 1❤

I no fore sure that Jezus did not Thake the shahada At that time the qoran was no where to find

The problem is, Muslims don't actually read their own Qu'ran, because they say: "Bible and Torah were corrupted/changed by men." Which is in disagreement with their god "Allah", who says: 1) "Torah and Bible are the word of God" (Qur'an Surah 2:41, 3:3, 5:43-48). 2) "Words of God cannot be corrupted" (Qur'an Surah 6:115, 18:27). 3) Jesus says "I am the Way, The Truth, and The Life, no man can come to the Father except through me" (Bible, John 14:6). 4) If you believe the Qu'ran, you must then believe the Bible - which then cancels the Qu'ran. A true Muslim is an ex-Muslim.

@@jackflaxton5937the fact that you clearly didnt do further research or even look at the tafseer for these basic answers shows your competence. Go on and search up the clear tafseer and answers to your “contridictions”.

You are right because Islam claims falsely claims as Abraham who offered Isaac as a sacrifice to God!!

@@rafaeljonathanmonterrosoca8400 The Quran does not claim Abraham offered Issac. The Quran completely ignores the Mosaic sacrificial system while claiming Moses as its prophet.

thanks, i appreciate your note. it's definitely a work in progress trying to figure out how to best use large language models for constructive debates. my hope is that while these models are still in their infancy, they can at least get quality conversations happening on these type of issues.

thank you.

​@@JonOleksiukA debate where they debate Mohammed's "moral understanding". 😂😂😂

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Can you explain a little bit more why you felt that?

All it claimed was corruption. But the qouran is not perfectly preserved. Hadiths tell of 7 different recitations (Quirat), Uthman burned those writings and modern muslim scholars refuse talking about it because it is embarrassing.

@@JonOleksiukTo keep it simple, the Ai actually answers the questions lol

@@Kingbattle808 yeah, it's definitely frustrating when debaters avoid opponent's questions so part of the configuration for these models was ... "I directly answer the question addressed to me"

​@@Noxictyz see DCCI there's 26 or 37 now?.. 😊

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peaople always call him "god of heaven and earth" notice they always leave out hell, in which 99% human population resides :(. yea god is "love" and nothing but "love"......

@@NightmareRex6 What gives the idea that most humans are in a bad place? It is rather disturbing to think most humans would go to a place of suffering for eternity, but the purgatory and grace ideas sound hopeful.

@@NightmareRex6 Hell is the absence of God

We cannot know the truth if each one is using their own book. We know the truth if each person is refuting the claim of the other using the other book.

Exactly

Muslims read the Bible lol the question is ,Is Jesus God ? And not do Muslims believe in Jesus? or the Bible ? lol 😂those are other questions people assume 😅

Because if they use the Quran then they need to use the Hadith which unreliable hearsays . Sahih Al Bukari 230-232 for example

I am not an expert, but in short: 1. Jews only read Jewish texts (the Torah). 2. Christians only read Jewish and Greek texts (the Bible). 3. Muslims can read any of the three sources, though credit the Koran as higher authority (that is a guess on my part but mostly true).

If the Christian AI used the Quran it would have easily been an 100 point lead for Christian AI. The Quran makes statements that are contradictory and a historical like the death of Jesus. The Quran also states Allahs word cannot be altered destroying the “courruption” of the bible and Torah false. As I said the Muslim AI unironically had the best advantage it could have been given….

@@makeytgreatagain6256 I agree 100%. The Muslim AI could also pick faults with the Old and New Testaments; especially as it seems to me that it was fully aware of the Dawah script. Like you, I was continually picking fault with the Muslim AI, which seemed to give very surface-level answers.

@@gavinjames1145 Yes i agree with you but the "Faults" within the Old testement also apply to the Quran so those arguments get destroyed infact the OT actually confirms the NT concept of the Trinity. The only negative things Muslims could say about the OT is some of the less PG 12 rated events like the genoices and wars/punishments for the Moasaic law. But christians dont follow Moasaic law which is why i dont know why muslim use these examples as it doesnt invalidate our faith i guess they use it to justiy Islams barbaric doctrines i suppose lol. I debate muslims a lot myself but im ceartain if they allowed the AI to grab from the Quran and OT then im sure the difference would be a score of at least 100 in favour of christianity tbh

How Christians bet their souls on an unpreserved book with unknown authors and interpolated text even their highest scholars admit to is beyond amazingly arrogant pride. If that same standard was used as evidence against any of them in the court of law for any criminal prosecution, they would cry the court system is unjust and corrupt LMAO. The irony is the hereafter is a bigger prison than they would face here on earth lol.

Here are names of Gods throughout history that are said to have died and resurrected. OSIRIS An Egyptian, Ethiopian, Sudanese God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 5,000 YEARS before Jesus. HORUS An Egyptian, Ethiopian, Sudanese God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 3,000 YEARS before Jesus. BUDDHA An Indian God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 600 YEARS before Jesus. KRISHNA An Indian God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 900 YEARS before Jesus.. ZARATHUSTRA An Iranian God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 1,000 YEARS before Jesus. HERCULES A Greek God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 800 YEARS before Jesus. MITHRA An Iranian God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 600 YEARS before Jesus. DIONYSUS A Greek God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 500 YEARS before Jesus.. THAMMUZ A Babylonian God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 2,000 YEARS before Jesus. HERMES A Greek God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 200 YEARS before Jesus. ADONIS A Phoenician God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 200 YEARS before Jesus. JESUS CHRIST A Roman God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 1-30 AD.

The list is written at the start of the video… away from my computer while right now… for the next video I’ll be using 10+ AIs

Everyone claims their religion is the true religion

@@teriquemurray405 your right but Jesus is the only God mentioned in every other religion. The Bible mentions no other religion or give respect to any other god but Jesus.

@@jodyboose5112 their are thousands of religions. Jesus is not mentioned in all of them

Yeshua was a Jew, not Christian. His disciples were all Jews, not Christians. The concept of trinity came from Hellenism in the Judaism, and imported to the Christianity.

​@@jodyboose5112 1.Rishion Al Corinth (First Corinthians) 15:27-28 שֶׁכֵּן הָאֱלֹהִים הִכְנִיעַ הַכֺּל תַּחַת רַגְלָיו. וּבְאָמְרוֹ שֶׁהַהַל הֻנַע תַּחְתָּיו, בָּרוּר ִּי הַמַּמַּיank ת ת ַּחְתָּיו, אָז 1 גַּם הַבֵּן עַצְמוֹ יִהְיֶה ָּפוּף לְמִי שֶׁשָּׁת ַּחְתָּיו אֶת הַֺּל, לְמַעַן יִהְיֶה הָאֱלֹהִים For Elohim has subdued everything beneath his feet. And when he [Yeshua] says that all things are subdued under him, obviously it is because the one who subdued everything under him is not in this rule. And as everything is subdued by him, so the Son himself will be subordinate to the one who is subduing everything beneath him, so that Elohim may be all, and in all. 2. Ya'akov (James) 1:13 מִי שֶׁמִּתְנַסֶּה אַל יֺאמַר, "אֱלֹהִים מְנַסֶּה אוֹתִי", שֶׁכֵּן ֱלֹהִים לֹא יְנֻסֶּה בָּרַע וְאֵין הוּא מְנַסֶּה אִישׁ⁠ Whoever is tempted will not say "Elohim tempted me", for Elohim is not tempted by evil and there is no man who tempts him. In other words, Satan would not tempt Yeshua if he were the Eternal (blessed He is). 3. Let's nullify the Christians' argument about "Me and the Father are one", due to the lack of reading: a) "Father and I are one" Yochanan (John) 17:22-23 וַאֲנִי נָתַתִּי לָהֶם אֶת־הַכָּבוֹד אֲשֶׁר נָתַתָּ לִּי לְמַעַן יִהְיוּ אֶחָד כַּאֲשֶׁר אֲנַחְנוּ אֶחָד אֲנִי בָהֶם וְאַתָּה בִי ל ְמַעַן יִהְיוּ מֻשְׁלָמִים לְאֶחָד וּלְמַעַן יֵדַע הָעוֹלָם כִּי ַתָּה שְׁלַחְתָּנִי וְאָהַבְתָּ אֹתָם כַּאֲשֶׁר אֲהַבְתָּנִי׃ And I gave them the glory that you gave me so that they may be ONE just as WE ARE ONE. I am in them, and you in me, that they may be perfect for one another, and that the world may know that you sent me and loved them, just as you loved me. Reflection: If he prayed to the Father so that his disciples would be One with him, just as he is one with the Eternal, do we then have 15 gods? Obviously not. b) Yochanan (John) 10:30 My father and I are one. Again, the inhabitants of Y'hudah gathered stones to stone him. Yeshua answered them: "You have seen me do many good works that portray the power of the Father: For which of them do you want to stone me?" "We will not stone you for any good work, but for blasphemy, because you, a simple man, present yourself as Elohim." Yeshua answered them: "Isn't it written in your Torah: "You are Elohim"?((quoted Tehillim/Psalm 82:6). If he called Elohim to whom the word of Elohim came (And the Tanakh cannot be annulled), then you are saying to whom the Father separated and sent into the world: "You are committing blasphemy", just because you said: "I am a son of Elohim"? וַאֲנִי וְהָאָב אֶחָד וַיּוֺסִיפוּ הַיְּהוּדִים וַיִּשְׂאוּ אֲבָנִים לְסָקְלוֺ: וַיַּעַן אֹתָם יֵשׁוּעַ הֵן מַעֲשִׂים רַבִּים טוֺבִים הֶרְאֵיתִי לָכֶם מֵאֵת הָאָב עַל-אֵי-זֶה מִן-הַמַּעֲשִׂים הָאֵלֶּה תִּסְקְלֻנ ִי וַיַּעֲנוּ אֹתוֺ הַיְּהוּדִים לֵאמֹר עַל-מַעֲשֶׂה טוֺב לֹא נִסְקְ לֶךׇ כִּי אִם-עַל-חִלּוּל הַשֵּׁם בַּאֲשֶׁר כִּי אָדָם אַתָּה וְהִנ ְּךׇ אֹמֵר לְנַפְשְׁךׇ אֱלֹהִים אָתָּה וַיַּעַן אֹתָם יֵשׁוּעַ הֲלֹא כָתוּב בְּתוֺרַתְכֶם אֲנִי אָמַרְת ִּי אֱלֹהִים אַתֶּם: וְעַתָּה אִם-אֲנָשִׁים נִקְרְאוּ אֱלֹהִים אֲשֶׁר תּוֺרַת הָאֱלֹה ִים אִתָּם וּדְבַר הַכָּתוּב אֵין לְהָשִׁיב: אֵיךְ תֹּאמְרוּן עַל-זֶה אֲשֶׁר קִדְּשׁוֺ הָאָב וַיִּשְׁלָחֵהוּ ב ָאָרֶץ מְגַדֵּף אָתָּד ------------------------------------------ If He is the Father, He would never say "I am the son", but "I am also the Father". Now let's turn this interesting: 4. Yochanan (John) 1:1-2 בְּרֵאשִׁית הָיָה הַדָּבָר, וְהַדָּבָר הָיָה עִם הָאֱלֹהִים, וְהַ דָּבָר הָיָה אֱלֹהִים. הוּא הָיָה בְּרֵאשִׁית עִם הָאֱלֹהִים In the beginning was the word, and the word was with Elohim, and the word was Elohim (excellent). He was in the beginning with Elohim. Why does Yochanan repeat something he had already said in the first verse? He wants to establish a doctrine, that the Eternal is ONE as the scriptures preach, since the use of the term Elohim could cause doubts and a possible distortion, as we see exactly today. Mishlei/Proverbs 8:22, 23 and 30 יְהֹוָה קָנָנִי רֵאשִׁית דַּרְכּוֹ קֶדֶם מִפְעָלָיו מֵאָז מֵעוֹל ָם נִסַּכְתִּי מֵרֹאשׁ מִקַּדְמֵי־אָרֶץ (..) וָאֶהְיֶה אֶצְלוֹ אָמוֹ ן וָאֶהְיֶה שַׁעֲשׁוּעִים יוֹם  יוֹם מְשַׂחֶקֶת לְפָנָיו בְּך ת 22 The Eternal created me at the beginning of his course, as the front of his ancient works. In ancient times I was molded [anointed] from the head, at the origin of the earth. And I was at his side like an architect, in delight day after day, rejoicing before him at all times. Yeshua was with the Father creating us, but He is not the Father himself.

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Well, you started off right and strong with YHWH (YaHaWaH). Behold the hand and behold the nail. Now, how you go and say something like Jesus is God. It's a good idea to know the Son's name too. It's Yahawashi not Jesus.

@HelovesU-we4qh thanks for the note. i had a similar reaction as i watched it play out in real time.

the muslim AI actually did have some better arguments than typical Muslims do on youtube videos, so I'll give them credit for that. However, they used bible verses to disprove the divinity of Jesus which were logically inconsistent with other verses in the bible.. It's not possible to affirm bible verses and at the same time deny others.

​@JonOleksiuk very interesting experiment though! kudos to you for doing this, I'm sure it can be tweaked to get much more advanced and nuanced debates from the AI.

the muslim AI was however using taqqiya when it came to the Bible's preservation and what the qu'aran says about it.

early in the video, within the first 30 seconds there's a list of criteria for judging that was generated by the model.

I thought the AI would continue with the approach you suggested as well, but after doing a little research I see that Muslims argue that the Jews in mentioned in that verse were mistaken at what Jesus was saying... so perhaps since the Christian AI was programmed to speak with a Muslim, it didn't include that part knowing how the Muslim would response... i don't know, just a thought.

Why Christian AI didn't use Luke's evidence. Here are some key examples: 1. The Annunciation (Luke 1:26-38) When the angel Gabriel announces to Mary that she will conceive a son, he declares that the child "will be called the Son of the Most High" (v. 32) and "the Son of God" (v. 35). This points to Jesus' divine nature and sonship with God. 2. The Birth Narratives (Luke 1-2) The miraculous conception of Jesus through the Holy Spirit and the angelic proclamations at his birth underscore his divine identity as the Messiah and Savior. 3. The Baptism of Jesus (Luke 3:21-22) At Jesus' baptism, a voice from heaven declares, "You are my beloved Son; with you I am well pleased." This affirms Jesus' unique relationship with God the Father. 4. The Transfiguration (Luke 9:28-36) During the Transfiguration, when Jesus' appearance is transformed, a voice from the cloud declares, "This is my Son, my Chosen One; listen to him!" (v. 35), affirming his divine sonship. 5. Jesus' Authority and Claims (Luke 5:20-24, 7:48-50, 19:10) Throughout the Gospel, Jesus demonstrates divine authority in forgiving sins, performing miracles, and claiming to be the Son of God who has come to save humanity. 6. The Resurrection Narratives (Luke 24) After his resurrection, Jesus appears to his disciples and affirms his divine identity, mission, and fulfillment of the Scripture.

Perhaps. What would the main points of the debate be focused on?

@@JonOleksiuk well maybe validity of sola scriptura, validity of papal infallibility, or validity ecumenical infallibility? I think any of those points have nuance that could be addressed individually between each of the opposing sides.

interesting, thanks for the followup

@@JonOleksiuk You might find this video useful, that went viral on this topic already: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tzLS4O7YaUg.html essentially Christian denominations boil down to nuances in culture in different parts of the world. God has a slightly different message for different parts of the world.

All 3 denominations believe in the validity of the 8 ecumenical councils. But the Catholic Church believes they have the authority to do more ecumenical councils and so they did 20 more. But nor Protestants nor orthodox believe they have the authority to do ecumenical councils without the Catholics and so they never did others councils on their own. Not even when the Protestants decided remove the apocryphal books of the newer bibles. It was decided by the Anglican Church alone, not a council.