This is a video response to my own blog post, because that prompted so much argument that I wanted to add clarification. www.patheos.com/blogs/reasonad... If you like what I do, become a patron. / aronra
And doesn't give us a backdrop vertigo warning so I know not to drink alcohol before watching. "Well, I got better." Just listen in a different open tab.
Yes, ok. But, as far as I can determine, he has always been very factual and verifiable within all his videos. He sensibly and methodically completely debunks most, if not all, of the stories and fables brought by christians relating to Jesus and creation. He very effectively shows how abiogenesis has taken place and that evolution is a verifiable fact. End of. How he looks and sounds, to me at least, is fairly irrelevant. The first one to a point, is up to him and the second one, mostly isn't. It's the content to me that's important. (Plus, how do u know what 70's porn music sounds like? ) Lol.
I asked my Christian friend who would win a fight between spider- man and jesus. He said :"Don't be ridiculous, spider-man is just a fictional character. " Haha
@@WilbertLek, You're a moron. You know nothing about me, and "ESPECIALLY you" makes no sense. You have no reference point, to make that statement. No, I'm definitely not dumb. If you can't get my reply to your comment, you're the one who is dumb. So, you read my comments. Okay. Who cares? If you don't get them, I can't help you. I made my points, already.
@@RayfordRaySiegel Keep defending an exposed con artist from that naive sheltered little existence you lead, my dear young flat earth creationist juvenile...
The Bible says in John 3:16-36 that whoever believes in the Lord Jesus Christ shall not perish but have everlasting life, the Bible also says in Romans 10:9 that those who declare with their mouth that Jesus Christ is their God, Lord, and Savior they shall be saved. Revelation 1:8 says that Jesus is the alpha and the omega. Luke and revelation is the ending times, and Jesus is returning back. So are you going to submit your life to him or no? Narrow is the path that leads to the gates of heaven, but only few people find it. The gates that is the path to destruction is where many people find it! Jesus loves you SO MUCH! That he died on the cross, and was resurrected from the dead 3 days later to give us eternal life…….
Whenever believes in the Lord Jesus Christ shall not perish but have everlasting life. Repent for the kingdom of God is at hand! Jesus is returning to judge the living and the dead! Repent for the kingdom of God is at hand!
Ya they have done nothing good. I am just brainwashed to not actually research things and assume easy things to slander others to seem better oh wow wee look at me im better than all of that group because one person told me their opinion and believed it as gospel.
@in777sight u can't rely on anybook written by any person during that time ,there were corrupt Catholic priest and people justifying all types of bullshit with religion And I don't even trust some of history either But it's just what I think and what I believe in And ur going to have to respect that Even tho I don't *agree* with the way u belIvE In ur god I still respect ur choice
In an argument about the historicity of Jesus, I tried to make this same point, at which point I was accused of goalpost shifting. I tried to explain, if you attempted to prove Spiderman was real, but he didn't sling webs, was never bit by a radioactive spider, wasn't named Peter, his gf wasn't Maryjane, etc. How is Spiderman still real if none of the attributes you associate with Spiderman are accurate? At what point is the statement falsifiable?
Irving Ceron To confirm historical rulers is easier. Their claims are more believable and do not require as much evidence. There's no real reason for people who wrote about them to lie. However. People lie for religion constantly and quite vigorously. So, it is much more plausible someone would lie to protect the faith. I deal with YEC all the time. Their beliefs are rooted in logical fallacies. To say my Spiderman analogy is a false equivallence is laughable. It shows you have a clear cognative bias if you think it's fallacious. Whether Spiderman is a moral figure is completely irrelevant to the point being made. If you think Jesus and everything in the bible is completely historical and 100% confirmed by unbiased historians you really have done no research on the topic at all, which is to say, you are the YEC of this scenario.
+Irving Ceron You cannot demonstrate that Jesus was not also purely fictitious. Some historians think he may have existed as a real person, but not be anything more than a schmuck with no miracles, which is closer to the first gospel and already proving Jesus of the bible pure fiction from a certain point of view. That does not mean the overwhelming majority of historians who think this to be true is in a similar proportion of the number of biologists who agree on evolution. For one, there is no plausible evidence for creationism. There is no plausible explanation of the evidence to fit a creationist point of view by any qualified biologist. There are several qualified historians with several plausible explanations for Jesus being only myth turned historical. This was very common of the time. If Jesus, a real person, existed, he would be the only one of this type of story to be based on a real person, which is used many times in stories around the region, most predating Jesus's time. Which means Spiderman explanation is completely legitimate. The only way it's fallacious is if you can prove Jesus of the bible 100% accurate, which you can't do. The fact that Spiderman is undisputed as fiction does not negate my point at all. The point was the attributes of a person is what makes the person. Real historical figures may have lies about them, but since no one thinks Rasputin can fly or whatever does not erase his actual accomplishments which he is actually known for. Now if Rasputin was famous for his flying, then I would say Rasputin did not exist either. A leader who did things may have existed, but a flying Rasputin is fictional. Furthermore, if there were historians who thought Rasputin were fictional and had evidence of flying Rasputin had rational explanations I would much sooner believe the rational explanation.
Irving Ceron False equivalence maybe, but what if there was a man that the character Jesus was based on? If he didn't say the things he was purported to say, didn't perform any miracles, didn't fit the description in the bible, wasn't born of a virgin birth, wasn't divine, wasn't born or died on the specified days, wasn't crucified, didn't rise from the dead, most the people who were purported to have known him didn't exist, Jesus/Yeshua wasn't his name (or he might as well have been named Fred), and more than 99% of the story was embellished, or exaggerated for dramatic effect or to fit prophecy -- then what? Might as well pick a Hebrew name out of a hat, and that would be the confirmed historical Jesus. Besides I prefer archaeology over history any day. At least a historian would have to be forced to concede to the evidence of archaeology (or lack of), and not just use the popular opinions of his/her peers.
@@lihaajapc173 Today is the holiday of adha in islam, they slaughtered millions of animals in brutal ways as sacrifices for their big man allah, does that mean that allah is a bloodthirsty psychopath?
I don't know, tying to be funny? Oh my god I just made a little humor observation on day on the internet and now I'm like Hitler. I need a freak'n drink.
@@jjphank Hoaxer Christian writers made up the resurrection hoax but didn’t realize that a sin-sacrifice-resurrection story implies a superstitious God who values blood-sacrifice, which was a common practice back then, e.g. sacrificing a goat for a new home. The superstitious folks who valued blood sacrifice created the God of The Bible in their own image.
@@jjphank Reading the Bible isn't enough; you have to read the Bible & actually think about it to realize the truth that the God of The Bible was conjured up by hypocrites who were intellectually comparable to today’s Afghan warlords.
@@jjphank Mark Twain, Issac Asimov, Albert Einstein, and Thomas Paine have read the Bible. Are you that delusional to believe you have better reading comprehension than them? "The best cure for Christianity is reading the Bible." Mark Twain "Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived." Isaac Asimov "It (Bible) is full of interest. It has noble poetry in it; and some clever fables; and some blood-drenched history; and some good morals; and a wealth of obscenity; and upwards of a thousand lies." Mark Twain "The Bible, a collection of honourable, but still purely primitive, legends which are nevertheless pretty childish." Albert Einstein "It is not a God, just and good, but a devil, under the name of God, that the Bible describes." Thomas Paine
@@jjphank Mark Twain, Issac Asimov, Albert Einstein, and Thomas Paine have read the Bible. Are you that delusional to believe you have better reading comprehension than them?
Probably because the whole video is full of bullshit and historical errors. Aron Ra clearly has no idea what he is talking about on the subject of history, and he demonstrates this every time he opens his mouth to pontificate about it.
I choose to be an atheist a year ago and since then I see life from a different perspective. I noticed life is what we want it to be, your videos help me a lot bc thry are full of knowledge, truth and facts. Thanks ❤️❤️
@@jjphank That explains some your of anger. It doesn't explain why you want to inflict _your_ beliefs on *Paul* nor your arrogance in assuming the you have the _only_ answer.
@@jjphank You have no answers. Why do you want to inflict _your_ beliefs on *Paul.* Your arrogance in assuming that only _you_ have the answer is still astonishing.
Guys it doesn't really matter what you believe (I'm agnostic) cuz we really don't know if there's a god or not (though the evidence is leaning towards the lack of one)
Judging from your name and pfp, you seem to be Nigerian. Anyway, quick correction: you didn't choose to be atheist. We don't choose what to believe or lack a belief. You simply became unconvinced that a god exists.
Ösinator People complain about it trying to push one side or another of various issues on them, but I’ve found it to offer both sides of everything pretty consistently. I think whatever RU-vid spits back at you is a reflection of whatever you search for.
@Scott Heslin Haven't you heard the legend of Storng the wise? Some say he was able to heal the sick with a simple touch... oh wait I'm confusing legends. I meant Asclepius.
I've read Reza Aslan's "Zealot" at least 8 times over the last 4 years; there were, in fact, many "messiahs" before, during and after Jesus's time. Most of these "messiahs" were killed by Rome, usually by beheading them. They were all seen as a threat to Roman hegemony.
@@miguelpereira9859 Right...I tell people that the proper way to say his name would be Jesus bar Joseph, or Jesus of Nazareth. Or just "The Nazarene." Or most correctly, Jesus, the Christ.
@@johntiggleman4686 I always use that point when people try to claim that Jesus (Christ, the messiah, as he is in the bible) had to be true because otherwise he wouldn't have been willing to die for his point, nor others be willing to be killed for him. Many other Messiahs (who can't be true if Jesus was) also were willing to suffer death as were their followers for the belief that they were the Messiah. People supposedly saw them perform miracles too, which destroys the claim that the stories of Jesus have to be true because there were witnesses to his miracles and why would they lie.
I see you discovered Irving Finkel’s ark. For anyone who doesn’t know who he is: Irving Finkel is a curator at the British Museum who discovered that the clay tablet someone brought to the museum for assessment contained an earlier flood story. After the museum obtained the tablet, further examination revealed the story contained building instructions for a round ark, like a coracle. On RU-vid you can find a lecture by Finkel with footage from the documentary about building this boat. Very informative and full of British humor.
Finkel is great .is Prof the right term or DR or is it not relevant . anyway luv that guy i get just a little smarter when i watch him. only a little smarter im a bit thick you see..
@@skylinemusik1 Ok.... in the source material used for the current New Testament or to validate it, such as Josephus, there are many different people named Jesus aside from the main protagonist Jesus Christ that are mentioned, estimates in the 20s+ (Jesus son of Damneus, Yeshua (Jesus) bar Abba (Barabbas)) Yeshua bar Abba is especially problematic because Barabbas is the criminal that is released instead of Jesus during the crucifixion. The story of that event has many variants that name Barabbas as Jesus Barabbas (Yeshua bar Abba) so we have 2 people named Jesus being crucified at the same time, and some scholars believe the name of Jesus was removed from Barabbas out of reverence to the name because "The church father Origen said, "In the whole range of the scriptures we know that no one who is a sinner [is called] Jesus." Going even further, the Aramaic name Bar Abba means "son of the father." Very indicative of multiple people/stories being smashed together. The event of choosing between Jesus and Barabbas is symbolic of Yom Kippur where parts of the ceremony include 1 goat being chosen to be given to "the lord" and a 2nd goat being given to "Azazel" or is the "scapegoat") . During this time people usually had 1 name and no surname so they needed titles to differentiate them such as where they were from, who were their parents or relatives, were they baptized members of the church or not, etc etc furthering the problem. There are tons of videos and other resources from highly regarded scholars that can prove this for you.
I have been told that it requires courage to hold to a belief in Jesus of some form. I responded that it takes greater courage to question one's own cliches.
+Hiway In IRAN it takes courage to believe in Jesus. In America, it's easy...even generally expected. Courage, as you point out, is NOT doing what everybody around you is doing. Courage is admitting, among other things, that THIS life is the only one you have.
I actually think it's a lot like the story of the Mormon church's beginnings used in Hitchens' book. Jesus and Christianity in general are both the remnants of a con job which eventually became more than it was meant to be. In the case of Jesus, he never existed as Christians think of him today. Whether or not there was a historical person named Jesus is irrelevant.
I tend to think that Jesus went east during his early adulthood, fell in and learned from some Buddhists and then returned to try to minister to people - while being very careful to couch his sermons and parables in the popular religious metaphor of the day. And the Romans that put this whole religion on the map a few centuries later missed that part.
But we know sooo much about him. Kal-El, son of Jor-El, last survivor of the planet Krypton flees to Earth and crash lands in Kansas. Is adopted by human parents and grows up as Clark Kent. Receives remarkable powers from Earth's yellow sun, including superhuman strength, the ability to fly, and laser beam vision. Goes to work as a journalist at the Daily Planet in the city of Metropolis and falls in love with a reporter named Lois Lane. Begins to secretly wear tights and a cape and fight villains under the alias of 'Superman'. Arch enemies include a billionaire named Lex Luthor and a Kryptonian AI named Braniac. Why would we know so much about him, including names, if he wasn't real?
so you know Kal means Messenger -in various languages including Jewish - so Kal el means Messenger of El - & so Kal ki means messenger of Ki - bout El & Ki probably Enlil & Enki. the Sumerian Deities...
Raptor302 Infidel! The _true_ Kriptotions, like me, know that the great Satan(as in adversary, the original definition of satan) is not some rogue Kriptonian Ai, but a green biological alien with a supercomputer like mind! Your cult of the DC Animated Universe version of our saviour, Kal El, is a lie! Only the holy scriptures of pre crisis DC Comics is true! ;) PS: man, but am I a nerd! ☺
@CrazyReii Yes species change their characteristics eyes nose mouth etc. BUT the changes are limited. And I am agree with evolution. This is evolution. But not all are related. Evolution that you talking about is pure FANTASY
I read that article you wrote. The best line was "At that time, witnesses who believed in such things had to be dismissed as mentally incompetent. Now they can be leading candidates in the GOP." _~standing ovation~_
My favorite quote about a god comes from Epicurus - Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent Is he able but not willing? Then he is malevolent Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
It has been proven, Jesus returned and died again in 1977: Jesus Christ and Elvis Presley: *Jesus said: "Love thy neighbor." (Matthew 22:39) * Elvis said: "Don't be cruel." (RCA, 1956) * Jesus is the Lord's shepherd. * Elvis dated Cybill Shepherd. * Jesus was part of the Trinity. * Elvis' first band was a trio. * Jesus walked on water. (Matthew 14:25) * Elvis surfed. (Blue Hawaii, Paramount, 1965) * Jesus' entourage, the Apostles, had 12 members. * Elvis' entourage, the Memphis Mafia, had 12 members. * Jesus was resurrected. * Elvis had the famous 1968 "comeback" TV special. * Jesus said, "If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink." (John 7:37) * Elvis said, "Drinks on me!" (Jailhouse Rock, MGM, 1957) * Jesus fasted for 40 days and nights. * Elvis had irregular eating habits. (e.g. 5 banana splits for breakfast) * Jesus is a Capricorn. (December 25) * Elvis is a Capricorn. (January 8) * Matthew was one of Jesus' many biographers. (The Gospel According to Matthew) * Neil Matthews was one of Elvis' many biographers. (Elvis: A Golden Tribute) * "[Jesus] countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow." * Elvis wore snow-white jumpsuits with lightning bolts. * Jesus lived in state of grace in a Near Eastern land. * Elvis lived in Graceland in a nearly eastern state. * Mary, an important woman in Jesus' life, had an Immaculate Conception. * Priscilla, an important woman in Elvis' life, went to Immaculate Conception High School. * Jesus was first and foremost the Son of God. * Elvis first recorded with Sun Studios, which today are still considered to be his foremost recordings. * Jesus was the lamb of God. * Elvis had mutton chop sideburns. * Jesus' Father is everywhere. * Elvis' father was a drifter, and moved around quite a bit. * Jesus was a carpenter. * Elvis' favorite high school class was wood shop. * Jesus wore a crown of thorns. * Elvis wore Royal Crown hair styler. * Jesus H. Christ has 12 letters. * Elvis Presley has 12 letters. * No one knows what the "H" in "Jesus H. Christ" stood for. * No one was really sure if Elvis' middle name was "Aron" or "Aaron". * Jesus is often depicted in pictures with a halo that looks like a gold plate. * Elvis' face is often depicted on a plate with gold trim and sold through TV. * Jesus said: "Man shall not live by bread alone." * Elvis liked his sandwiches with peanut butter and bananas.
It was actually really common back in biblical times for people to claim to be the prophet/son of God. The only difference is Muhammad and Jesus were popular in that belief.
Jesus Christ Glorified Zoroastranism also predicts the appearance of false prophets.Also Jesus did not fullfill the true mission of the Messiah,which is to reunite the jews,make Israel the greatest nations of all time and bring world peace which means that Jesus could not have been the Messiah
Jesus Christ Glorified Jesus Christ Glorified Well the prophecies of Daniel does not talk about the end of times,but about the persecution of the jews by the hand of Antochius IV,yet after his death,the Messiah did not come and judgement day did not happen.The writer of the prophecies in the book of Daniel(because there are two authors for this book,the 1st who wrote Daniel 1-Daniel 6 and the 2nd author Daniel 7-Daniel 12)was a jew who lived during the event of the persecution of the jews and thought that he was living in the end of times,so he wrote history in a symbolic way,and added them to the book of Daniel in order to make them sound prophetic.Now to come back to the real issue,the Messiah was said that he would be a king,will reunite the jews,and will lead many wars.Did Jesus did anything of that?No he didn't.So Jesus was not the Messiah the old testament talks about.
Jesus Christ Glorified Dude as I told you,yes Daniel does talk about judgement day,but the events that Daniel already happened(the massacre of the jews during the reign of Antochius IV),yet there was no judgenent day and ressurection of the dead at the end of this event like Daniel said.Now about the Messiah,read Isaiah 11:11-12 andJeremiah 23:8; where it says that he will bring back the jews to Israel,read Micah 5 where it says that the Messiah will be born in Betlehem and he shall deliver the jews from the Assyrians.If this passage was talking about Jesus,then Jesus should have besn born in Betlehem,but also fight the Assyrians which he didn't do because the Assyrians were long gone when Jesus was born,meaning that this passage does not talk about Jesus in any way which makes Jesus not the Messiah of the old testament.
Jesus Christ Glorified You re comment was supposed to try refute my argument,yet what did you do?You just started complaining because you don't want to aknowledge the truth.And yes,I did mention verses to prove my point,,so what are you going to do?Ignore these verses?Yes you will,because your belief has turned you blind.
In every culture there are similarities in their mythology. Doesn't make it true, plagerism has been around a long time. If only they had the presence of mind to film it on their cell phone we wouldn't have this problem
Even if there was one person, the cult was named after, his name was not Jesus Christ. Jesus is a Latin name, most likely the Latinization of Joshua or Jeshua. And Christ is not part of the Name, but a title, derived from Greek "christos", meaning "anointed". That nowhere in the New Testament the realistic name was used, should give an idea, how much of the content is fictionalized.
it's the other way around 'i say to you " think " my friend, you really believe the bull this guy is shoveling . i don't think you read or understand the bible
COLNAGO1969 No you have it backwards. It is those of us who understand the bible that see it for what it is. A book nothing more nothing less. Just another book written by men. Not God not men inspired by anything other then a desire to control other men and greed. People bought thees stories back then because they knew no better. As a whole mankind is no longer that gullible. Oh sure there are still some who can't face their own mortality so they grab a hold of this B.S. Because it tells them they will live forever as long as they kiss gods ass. It doesn't matter what evil you do in live as long as you repent in the end and accept Jesus as your savior. Oh yah and don't forget give lots of money to your church they need more expensive artwork. Man what a bunch of fools.
In a conversation with my mother I asked her once whether she thinks Jesus was real. Not just "some schmock" named Jesus of Nazareth who got cruzified by the Romans, no but the Jesus who did actual Jesus things and said actual Jesus stuff, so that "glorified" person. She said that, even if he did not exist, she'd still believe in Christianity, because even if fictional, Jesus was such a very wise man, wiser than anyone else, that he's the equivalent of being the real Son of God. That was a rather unexpected response, I must admit. When I later challenged her and said that propably, with the exception of Paul and maybe Peter, none of the apostels can be confirmed to be historical persons either... she totally lost her shit: "Now the apostels are not real too? Get outta here, I have no time for your bullshit. What websites have you been surfing again? Do you believe everything they say on the internet?" O..M..G. That reaction left me thunderstruck. As if the apostels were more important than Jesus... xD True story.
+Pasxali K I'm curious to know why your mom thinks Jesus was wiser than anyone else...remind me again what exactly has Jesus done? I mean...teachings like "love your enemies" and "be kind to the poor and needy" are all good and all...but frankly Chinese philosophers came up with that independently 200 years before Jesus did. And also - my 6-year old daughter was able to tell me that it's important to be kind to others even without reading the bible...so I honestly don't see what's the big deal about Jesus...
@@annachan8151 no joke. Everytime. I think it is a ploy by these companies to try to push their fake agenda to the atheist sects. We need more atheistic commercials. At least something that relates to our core values.
The only difference that I can see and King Arthur and Robin Hood and Jesus and Yahweh is that the King Arthur and Robin Hood Legends actually have decent stories
Ever since I survived in the "Vietnam games" I've found it even more diffacult to "believe" in any god. "WAR IS HELL" !! My take is, if there really were / is a god and he / she created humans in his image , then why didn't that god make our brains with the ability to INSTANTLY translate ANY language so that we could understand and communicate; thus eliminating ANY need for war ??? "HE" loves you, so he has let millions die violently in wars created in the name of religion. DEATH IS FINAL !! just that simple.
@@jjphank yeah, right ??? the invisable man in the sky, who created you in his/her/ it's image, who knows everything, you know the one, that nobody has ever seen, who says if you don't obey the ?10? commandments then you will be sent to suffer the fires and tortures of hell for eternity. but HE/SHE/ it... Lovezzzzz you.
@@jjphank "find god" ???? !! can't happen because it's all in your head.... just fairytales. concocted to control those sheeple of weak mind and willpower. "he / she / it loves you" by letting millions die in wars faught in the name of religon.
@@jjphank Yo Han-kinzz, how old R U goober.... you must have E S P. I "can't drive" ?? that's funny cuzz I've done that in 15 countries and more than half of the USA; never had a collision nor accadent. Oh, and add Thailand, to that list, where I've been living for the past 14 years. (can you say that...)azz 4 the "can't think" thing; well let me think...... OK, got it. I think, that you think, I can't think because what I think ain't what you "think". THINK about that.... I understand that it's diffacult for one like you but, if you try hard, I'm sure it will come to you. HEY, J pray. maybe it will come your way. THINK, even the Tin man knew he didn't have a brain.
wow such an interesting set of videos. having been indoctrinated with religion as a child, i find it fascinating to see a more analytical view of the religious texts.
listen to real scholars not a phony non scholar that spew ignorance and stupidity. listen to real scholars like Bart Ehrman he is also an Atheist that is 110% sure thatYeshua existed
@@heat305rc you seem to have missed the point. I have read Ehrman, also David Fitzgerald, who believes that the evidence points that it's all made up. The point is that it doesn't really matter if he existed or not, because it doesn't change the fact that the gospels are made up stories, just like the existence of Troy doesn't prove the illiad was a true story. Think about this, we have plenty of evidence to prove that Socrates existed, and he lived four hundred years before christ supposedly lived, and still that doesn't mean that Plato's dialogues are accurate, no reasonable person would believe that
@@ezequielstepanenko3229 it doesn't really matter if Yeshua existed or not? WOW...If He indeed existed it changes everything. Why? because he did things that no human being in history has ever done. Be well my brother and may Yahweh bless you
@@heat305rc if you are going to believe some guy transformed the water into wine, walked on water and multiplied fishes because and old text of dubious source says he did so, you might as well believe some Greek dude fought against cyclopes, laestrygonians and sirens, and meet and seduce goddesses on his way back home, and, more impressively, his wife waited for him for twenty years. There is no reason why you should believe one story over the other. Probably there was a man name Ieshu, or Yeshua, or Yehoshua, probably there were thousands of man name like that at that time in Jerusalem, but why should you believe he perfomed some miracles? For me is not enough to say: because some people said he did. That wouldn't work in a trial, would it?
@@jjphank if you live in the middle east I think you'll see more muslims and "etcs" than christians, so there is a thing about christianity; geography. Archeological research seems to be continually disproving every biblical claim, and advances in sciences like biology and physics are always showing evidence that is contradictory to the claims of an old Jewish mythology book
RU-vid has once again shown me something that I didn’t know I needed. A WWE wrestler unmasking the fallacies of the Bible with psychedelic backgrounds and 70s porno music
Genny Mikel well up to this point, whenever I've discovered I was wrong about something I've looked at it differently! Usually true and false, or right and wrong, is easily recognized, but not always!
ray salmon Please elaborate. This “j” and the name given “Jesus” is in my studies! I just can’t find accurate sensical verification that the name Jesus could have even existed in that time frame!! Thx for your assistance. D
ray salmon Okay. First, thanks for responding! I’m not so sure about the “militant” narrative you state. Anyway, you really didn’t answer my question about the “J” in Jesus during the 2020 year claimed. It was NOT in any way a letter or name used in Aramaic or Hebrew. That’s a big deal. WHY is the name Jesus used??? I’m certainly NOT claiming the figure known as Jesus didn’t exist, but perhaps really possessed another name. I’m aware of names as Yeshua & a few others but it is literally nonsensical to me for writers of scripture to call him Jesus. Ironically, every single time I get the “close” that... Jesus really existed there is NO logical and demonstrative answer. It’s always: “The name doesn’t matter or we’ll it’s in the Bible!” I find it absolutely illogical to profess this as truth when it has no basis in fact or historical record. I love the teachings of Jesus for the most part, but I’m starting to think that believers are more emphatic to believe in believing rather than examining with a discerning mind. I thank you and for the record I trust in The Creator Most High. Respond if you are so compelled. Thx again. Deano
ray salmon Okay. Help me out here. ???? I’ll go first here. The Holy Bible is claimed to be the inspired word of “God” Right???? Christians say, you must read your Bible. You must accept the Lord Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior or you will not be saved. Is this right or do I have the narrative wrong? So, are you suggesting that the name “Jesus “ doesn’t matter now? I don’t care what Jehova Witness say. I’m talking about Christianity. Hell yes the name JESUS matters!!!!! If the very name of the supposed Lord and Savior is wrong, then how could anyone exclaim “absolute truth” in the rest of that scripture???? Come on here! Please don’t double talk or try to dilute my logic. Please, stay on point and answer my question. Thx. D
@@rtanidean4931 There are many different beliefs from each Christian church and is biased upon region to region. The Bible has always been loosely interpreted from person to person, church to church. I view the Bible as more of a teaching of morality and faith from stories that are more myths. From my church, Mormon church, the scriptures is full of metaphors but also has stuff that has to be taken as it was written, which is more confusing and cherry picking. For me just use the Bible as one big metaphor and learn and grow from what you take out of it. If you truly must take the book as 100% fact then you also believe in magic and time is not a constant flow for us humans.
Minisith Unknown Fair enough. But I never said I needed 100% facts! I’ve been studying the Bible (many of them) but in particular the KJV (1611ad) for over 40 years. It all keeps coming down to just too many inconsistencies and more so, direct contradictions within these scriptures. I could elaborate, but why. I don’t find “faith” to be anything more than an excuse for lacking tangible evidence. Understand, I have had many supernatural experiences in my life. I’m not discounting that. However, the religious indoctrination’s of these “cults” is more a conventional way to form societal cohesion of doctrines based on punitive outcomes. It’s absurd to suggest that only religions bring moral compass and fortitude. I do thank you for point out & wish you every blessing and happiness in our existence experience. Deano
Aron, a voice like yours needs a better mic. I would personally recommend the Shure SM7B. Let that baritone tingle the ears of your audience, like Seth does.
I'm trending towards agreeing with Carrier's take. It's no coincidence that the first writings about Jesus didn't appear until after 70 CE - he was invented to serve as a theological replacement for the sacrifices which had been performed at the Temple, but could no longer be performed after the Temple was destroyed by the Romans in 70 CE.
Absolutely brilliant. Finally, someone who is intelligent enough to tell it like it really is. Thank you AronRa. By the way, this is the first I've ever heard of you and I see some binge-watching for me in the not-so-distant future.
Hey man, if you are really interested in the history of Jesus or textual criticism, please look elsewhere, there are some great scholars who talk about this stuff alot. Some good places to start would be Dr. William Mounce, Dr. Mark Strauss, Dr. Darrell Brock, Dr. Daniel Wallace.
@@jjphank Why do all u God-fearing pple feel the need to stuff your beliefs down non-believers" throats? What makes your thoughts on the matter the be-all-to-end-all? You never see non-believers (n/bs) invading believers' (bv's) spaces becuz we feel the unerring need to save your soul. I have EVERY right to my opinion w/out the fear of retribution by some1 who happens to have a different belief! That's like my pinning a flatearther to the ground & not letting them up until they acquiesce to my way of thinking. That action has "insane" written all over it. As does yours to my innocent statement...which wasn't judging any1 btw. So back-off, Jack. It's called "the opening of a learning conversation." You should check it out sometime. I merely expressed a "feeling" I had into what I thought was an open forum. I guess that isn't how things r done in your world, which is very close-minded of you.
@@jjphank I don't know if you've poked your head out of your bible long enough to notice, but we are currently living in hell right now. This entire planet is suffering from a "man-made" virus causing thousands to die & many more who wish they were. How could a God allow this kind of suffering to happen? Too many incredibly bad things happen to God-fearing pple all the time, so don't tell me that this is his plan. He does not exist...period...end of story...fairytale or not. Why does it matter to you what happens to me? Get off your pious horse & let pple live the way they choose. Nothing in my life is up to you, nor should it be. The very fact that you felt the urge to tear my incredibly innocent post down is insulting. Worry more about your own life & leave everyone else's to themselves. I don't need you saving me from anything, nor did I ask you to. It's very clear to me that the only one believing in fairytales is you.
According to the New Testament: Jesus was a wandering, delusional Jewish preacher who criticized the authorities, orchestrated his own crucifixion and blamed it on me.
And by the way. Almost every culture on earth has recorded proof of a flood or deluge if you will. I very highly doubt they were all making it up. What it narrows down to is that this channel is race bait targeting Jews. This man isn't atheist. He is anti-Semitic.
You all are missing the point, he says that Jesus in reality was a genius who tricked the masses into worshipping him. Lmao lots of cultures have flood myths especially in the Fertile Crescent. Sometimes called monsoon season, like “lightning was caused by Zeus” same shit. Also if there was a flood that killed everyone but those on Noah’s ark, there should be just the Christian religion but alas it’s the youngest of the modern religions. Ironic actually. It’s just pathetic
@@jjphank why not shut the fuck up and get a life. No one reads two large paragraphs or so about the Bible. No one's converting to Christianity. Deal with it.
Here's an example where we know who is the real person behind the tale: Santa Clause. Of course, when you look at bishop Nicholas of Myra, there is actually very little he has in common with Santa Clause. That's what happens when you build a myth from an earlier myth based on an even earlier myth based on a real person - the fictional elements replace the factual elements. (And I am not even certain how well the story of the bishop corresponds to what he actually did in the first place.)
+Kai Henningsen The idea that Santa Claus is somehow derived from Nicholas of Myra and then just had stuff added onto it is just ridiculous. The myth has so much of Norse mythology in it that you'd get a better explanation if you just leave that character out entirely.
@@Gnomefro that's just your (unjust) opinion. Though some similarities exist, iconographically it's a well studied genealogy from the guy of myra/demre.
Imagination doesn’t claim to have designed perfectly balanced universe. God does. God says he wrote the Bible through insipiration of many very different men. Did they all continue the same imagination in complete perfection. I don’t think so. I don’t take advice from dead people anyways. If they knew all there was to know about the universe and why people do things they would probably figured out immortality before they died. BUT THE FUNNY THING IS LMAO IS THEY NEVER BELIEVE IN IMMORTALITY ITSELF. Haha how are you supposed figure out immortality if you your sole purpose was to spend your all your study’s disproving God. Silly atheists, they don’t realize they are just as sick as every other selfish person in the world and they will die trying to convince themselves.
@@destinationjesuschrist7043 If atheists are sick and selfish, then what are christians? Who started wars in the name of God, who tell people to burn for all eternity, who feel offended by people who just want to make them think. No Atheist has done any of these things, in the name of atheism. If your argument would be: BUT IT WAS THE CHURCH! Then you havent understood the impact, which religion can have on the world.
jokerss jokess I was arrogant in my response, it was ill written. “If atheist are sick and selfish” If you read my the end of my message correctly you would come to understanding that when I said atheist are just as sick and selfish as anyone else. It meant Christians and other humans alike. I didn’t put Christians in there own ring of perfection. Don’t put words in my mouth. Read it again you will see I never claimed Christian as perfect. Atheist don’t have to kill people in the name of atheism to be ruthless murderers, Joseph Stalin killed 60 million. Now let me let you in on a secret. The religious warfare of Christianity came from the ROMAN CATHOLICS. They worship the Virgin Mary over Jesus Christ. They are not Christians and they only consider themselves Christian yet they follow no doctrine of Jesus Christ. That’s why Protestant churches exclude Catholics from being considered Christians. They don’t worship Jesus of Nazareth that was beaten, tortured and flogged by the Caiphus of the Pharisees and Roman leader Pontius Pilate. Then Jesus was crucified for his claim to be God and his power to save mankind from the Sin that each human has in there heart and being. The selfishness and wickedness each person posses that we deserve to die for. So he promised his resurrection was insurance that we would be resurrected as well if we believe on him because he was God in the flesh and lived a sinless life. So after he died they laid him in a rich mans tomb and which fulfilled prophecy written one thousand years earlier and on third day he rose from the Dead and was witnessed by many. 4 Of Jesus disciples had accounts written of what they witnessed which was translated on Greek manuscripts. So we have 4 different accounts of the same story to compare side by side. The book of the Bible is composed of Greek manuscripts from pre 100 A.D writing in century of the life of Jesus Christ Our Lord and Saviour. You Forget that Men Create Wars over Negligence not God. Leave God out of mans evil doing or wrath will come upon you swiftly. You may choose to accept God or Reject him. That is your free will. He will not force you to love him, just like you can’t force a woman to love you. Love can only be freely given.
There's an interesting comparison to make with King Arthur too - until the 1980s historians believed that he was in fact a historical figure that had been romanticised over the centuries, he and things he was supposedly involved with appears in a number of independent written works and folktales, however there's not a shred of actual evidence to corroborate any of it and we know that one of the primary sources for Arthurian legend (Geoffery of Monmouth) was full of shit. It seems to me that the historicity of Arthur and Jesus have a similar weight of evidence, however both the miracle-performing Jesus of the Bible and the legendary Arthur have one thing in common: both could have existed as actual people, but in order for them to have existed as portreyed in stories about them you must believe in magic.
Aron, I am amazed at how relentless you are at proving that Jesus is just a myth! I would have lost my patience a long time ago. But the world needs people like you because there are still too many that didn't get it yet! ciao!
visualmusicproject aron is very cursed. He's so gullible. His wife is naive too! They are sinners! He'll stand before his God = Jesus on judgement day. Then he'll always know who God is. He'll stand before hell.
@Th30r3t1ca1 phy51c5 He's real and you know it but your pride and ego stop you, wanna talk about redundant and stupid? ya I'd say you know lots about that for sure
I have just discovered this gentleman on RU-vid. His arguments and his points are not only very interesting but also very persuasive. Until around 15 years ago I was a very staunch, practicing Catholic. But lost interest and all faith in religion when I began to question everything about Christianity and found it very lacking in truth.
that's the problem my friend you followed religion and not a relationship with your creator. no religion can save you. religions are poisonous to the soul. but to seek and have a relationship with Yahweh is the most wonderful thing to ever experience. I hope you find truth and stop listening to phonies like this guy. what he claims goes against all historical non biblical evidence on Yeshua.
Your understanding, lack of comprehension, made you loose faith in yourself, lost strength / the thirst of doing your biblical research ; therefore, don't blame anyone else, but yourself. Anyway!, you are the one who's going to end up in hell; meaning, it will not affect me, at all. Peace!.
Luis Diaz How do you know this person “followed” religion in favor of a supposed relationship with a supposed god? Also- Aron’s video certainly contains sone errors and misconceptions, but is not incorrect for the majority of statements it makes, and in fact it does go along with archaeological finds. Read the Ugaritic texts, for example.
Juan Torres Claiming an atheist who has reasoned that there is no god simply has flawed logic or is mentally lacking at all is no better than claiming Christians insist on believing in a god for the same reasons.
@@ILoveBonbons1 actually how I know is because he said it in his statement Hannah he was a staunch practicing catholic and lost faith in all religion. I also lost faith in religion but not in my creator God. Thats the issue of many so called Christians they put there faith in their religion or philosophy and completely forget what scripture says that God is not a religion is a relationship . And in fact Archeological evidence has shown that what Aron is saying are partial truths and mostly lies. but we can agree to disagree on that. be well my friend.
@@texasranger6490 To which they may posit another reason why they fell. The ignorance doesn't even end with the witnessing of death itself. That's kind of the whole catch with organized religion. They create intentional reverse loop-holes within their logic that they can always fall back on, no matter the strength of your refutation. They can even word things in such a way that they can still deny suggesting something you directly quote from them. There is no logic we know of to ensure someone like that will be willing to intellectually grow.
While I doubt there was a singular Jesus, and Josephus mentions something like 13 guys with names in the same vein, I think there was a base man. The gospels worked very hard to force the story to fit the supposed prophesies. If he were completely made up, the myths would have aligned more readily.
@@klondike444 No, the whole thing is a myth, but the idea there was a model (like Gilgamesh- who has more sources than any Jesus) seems to fit with how hard they tried to take someone who didn't fully fit the prophecies and try to force his story to fit. Obviously, combining multiple characters- fictional and real- into one might also account. I just mildly see Hitchens viewpoint as opposed to a complete fabrication. Other than the falsehoods of all the stories, we'll never know if there was a base model or not.
My English teacher always told us that the English told stories and tales of glory at mead halls and after battles or to entertain lords. Beowulf and LeMor to de Arthur being one of them. A story meant to inspire. We broke it down into basic story telling categories from the time it was written.
Whether Jesus was a real historical figure, a chimera of a dozen self proclaimed messiahs, a complete fabrication or a combination of these doesn't matter any more. Believers will believe regardless.
+Deep Ashtray and atheist will reject any evidnece for miracles regadles how strong the evidence is......People like ARONRA are no different from Kent Hovind, they both admit that no amount of evidence will ever change their view, they hate people with different views, and both claim to be 100% sure that there view is correct.
Deep Ashtray any event that can´t occure according to scientific laws. for example resurecting from the dead or walking on wáter would be miracles because according to science these events can´t happen,
Deep Ashtray Well obviously by definition the origin of a miracle has to be supernatural. But you are moving away from my main point. My point is that extreme atheist like Aronra would never conclude that a miracle took place regardless of the evidence in the same way extreme Christians will never conclude that the bible is wrong, even if strong evidence against the bible is presented to them. Do you grant my point yes or no?
I tried to jokingly mock Hispanics in front of a Hispanic mentioning they shouldn't be using such a sacred name as Jesus but he corrected me and said that it was altered, not exactly the same, more of a symbolic homage In real Spanish Jesus has an accent over the u, as a name for people other than Jesus, except to say perhaps that's how they also spell and say Jesus Christ... Not sure as maybe I was getting an explanation from a Spanish speaker that gave precedence to English... So there is this: Jesus Christ: PROPER NOUN 1. (name) a. Jesucristo In the Christian religion, Jesus Christ is the son of God.En la religión cristiana, Jesucristo es el hijo de Dios. b. Cristo Jesús You can find stories about the life of Jesus Christ in the writings of Josephus.Se pueden encontrar relatos sobre la vida de Cristo Jesús en los escritos de Josefo."
@@mickeydrago9401 i think its funny that hispanic people ...from mexico on south were NEVER mentioned in the buybull....YET they are devout followers???????
I have always wondered about the names the Bible gives us for the disciples of Jesus. Simon Peter, James (the Elder), James (the Younger), John, Jude (Thaddeus), Matthew (Levi), Philip, Thomas, Bartholomew (Nathanial), Andrew, Simon, and finally Judas. These names are now, for the most part, basically prominent Anglicized names, seemingly. These people lived in the Middle East where names and the tradition of family names have existed with honor for thousands of years. Why is it that even today, there are virtually no people from the Middle East, Arab or Jewish, Muslim or even Christian, that have such names. Even in the Bible itself, until the New Testament, such Anglicized names did not exist. Since the Bible was written by people with agendas, and has been rewritten and edited for special purposes time and time again, how can anyone use this as nothing more than a collection of fictional moral stories equivalent to those of Aesop's Fables?
+Tawnku Imi-Uru The names are the way they are because it's literature - not history. The Gospels of the New Testament were written originally in Koine Greek. They were not eyewitness accounts. It is possible that they were commissioned by ruling elites serving the Roman State and written as a sort of propaganda story primarily for a domestic audience in and around Rome and only in certain Roman provinces and cities. - impacting outside of these centers to less of a degree than currently assumed (at least in the earlier years (pre-400 AD). Or maybe they were more like the Charles Dickens novels of their time. But then things got out of hand. People use this book in all sorts of very horrible ways. It's a very pesky form of black magick because it presents itself as good and beneficial, but really isn't.
+Tawnku Imi-Uru It does get interesting though if one starts looking at the Gospels as Astro-Theology. Jesus as Sun or 13th (hidden) Sign of the Zodiac (possibly Ophiuchus) and the 12 disciples as the 12 signs of the Zodiac. See DaVinci's Last Supper and Zodiac. Revelation has a very striking Astro-Theological sub-text. It's all syncretism really. Beg, borrow, steal from the Vedas, Egyptian Lore, Sumerian Lore, etc.
+Tawnku Imi-Uru Yes! I have many beliefs about God. My goto is: God is Everything and Every Non-Thing Imaginable and /or Unimaginable. ( I think this puts me in a position wherein I don't place any demands on anyone.) I recognize that I am a limited and bounded creature so I attempt to be sincere in what I can and do know and humble in the face of what I don't or can't know. But I do have a sense that there is something very impressive "out there" that makes existence possible. And if this is the case, then a stance of personal gratitude and complete awe is the most natural emotional state that I can connect to the idea. In terms of theology, what I reject most strongly are the Abrahamic religious traditions that seek to prescribe strict behaviors on people, often through dishonest methods and empty rituals.
Does anyone have a link to Aaron's original blog post? The link in the description doesn't go there and I want to know the specific sources (e.g. gospels etc.) that he's referring to.
one question has never been answered for me, what about Joseph? He gets mention once or twice in the bible, but just think about human nature and how men and women really react. Mary gets knocked up but by who? Mary claims it was the holy ghost, or god's doing, and yet no mention from old Joe feelings. Did Joseph question Mary on how it happened, and we are led to believe Joseph went along with it...would any guy with half a brain go along with this tail? If this were to happen today, we got the makings of a great Jerry Springer show.."My Wife Had an Affair with God"
Joseph and Mary probly had sex before marriage, and pregnancy before marriage was considered enough to call in doubt the parentage of the baby. The whole virgin birth thing was later made up to cover for the baby, so he seemed more perfect and unusual But the likely real story is actually important for his life to see how he would have been shunned by the community; and how he learned to empathize with the downtrodden.
Hi Markus, Joseph was perturbed when he learned of Mary's pregnancy because he wasn't responsible, which could only mean she cheated on him, which was considered adultery punishable by death.
The fun fact is, King Arthur's tale bares so many parallels to the Jesus story that many speculate whether King Arthur is based off the common format that transcends throughout multiple theologies: • 1 King/Savior/Diety • 12 Disciples or followers • Brings about enlightenment However, on theology, it has even more parallels: • Resurrection • Immaculate Conception • Crucifixion And many more. I know he covers that with theology, but King Arthur's legend also seems to be a story that bares much likeness to these various "saviors" within mythology.
Consider Vercingetorix. something similar happend there. image how it would have impacted the gaulish people when their champion was slain. same formula different people.
Another fun fact: English King Henry VII's eldest son Arthur was Henry's heir apparent, but the future King Arthur died in 1502 at the age of 15 and his younger brother, Henry, became King Henry VIII in 1509.
+AronRa There is no clear consensus. However, Marcan priority is the dominant view. I think it is reasonable to say though that there is not enough evidence to determine conclusively which of the synoptic gospels was written first. The only thing we can say with confidence is that John was written last.
AntiCitizenX I had learned Marcan priority in school, but Wikipedia says that Matthean and even Lucan priority are argued by a significant minority of scholars. And of course how Acts fits into the puzzle is another question. It's all very complicated, especially because there is effectively zero external evidence to go on.
+EebstertheGreat Luke is a proto-Catholic gospel which is just an extended redaction of Marcion's "Gospel of the Lord". Given who Luke is addressed to, likely composition is around 170CE-180CE. Mark and Matthew makes references to the Bar Khoba Revolt in his "little apocalypse" referencing Hadrian erecting a temple to Jupiter on the Temple Mount, hence 'the abomination that causes desolation' standing where it does not belong" Of course referencing Daniel, who was making mention of the statue of Zeus in the Jewish Temple. That puts all modern synoptics in the second centaury. There does seem to be many hints there was a late first centaury synoptic gospel. However it either no longer exists or we have yet to find it. If any gospel was written in the first centaury, it was John, which still are littered with the fingerprints of Gnosticism.
Gotta love seeing Ole Irving Finkle. Loved his book The Flood Before Noah. I used to be a security officer and when he explained how they found Ur games carved into the wall side of statues feet that would have been at important doors and had guards posted at them. I played a lot of video games at work as a guard and it is second nature to hit Alt+Tab to close a window. The link between the same job thousands of years apart was amazing to me.
I thought for a long time that Man just super screwed up Jesus' message. Then I really investigated the historicity of Jesus, or utter lack there of! Yeah, the whole "no Jesus" thing was a really big deal breaker for me. Now I'm just pissed. Yup.
Matthew 10:32-33 New International Version (NIV) 32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
@Kenneth Liburd The Christian Hell was a creation after Jesus's death. In the earlier Hebrew telling, Jesus didn't mention Hell, he was talking about separation from his Father and possible destruction of your very being. The parable we see with the man in Hell asking for a drop of water was added in later. Closest to Hell the Hebrews had was Sheol which is the Grave and non-existence originally and then it morphed to be the trash fire outside the walls which was used to represent the destruction you faced if you were unrepentant, not torture, obliteration.
He would have looked more similar to modern day people like Osama bin laden or Sadam Husain rather than some western/northern European looking individual with blue eyes. And yes I'm Christian👍
@@T-Terminator-sj3pl he would have been much shorter then he is portrayed and his skin color debunks the idea that the shroud of Turin is Jesus and his hair would have been more curly.
@@reeseexplains8935 How exactly would we know what his physical hieght would have been close to also how would we know he had curly hair opposed to straight hair. Also concerning the shroud of Turin I heard something about that not being the cloth that wrapped Jesus's body but instead it may possibly be the world's first ever photograph done by Leonardo Da'Vinchi
I don’t think Christians think he’s white, cuz I hear that they think he’s just in his human form, like he has no race, but I know why I always see Jesus as white, cuz imagine if we saw Jesus in any other race such as black
Jesus is: Jewish, the guy who started Christianity, the son of god, a guy in a book, fake, super cool and good at human relations, and very, VERY non-existence.
Over the decades I've had many, many 'discussions' {which inevitably don't end well) with religious people, including my own family. I wish I'd been armed with the info shared in this uploads. Would I have then been able to make them see sense? Almost definitely not. But it would have been much more fun trying to do so....
Looks like the population of South America has found this video: comments have recently been occupied by amgury triggered fanbois and girls with last names like Garcia and such...
