I find Air Traffic Controllers to be amazing people. I have been listening to a few of these ATC videos and I'm floored by how they manage such fluid situations. It is hard for me to imagine how they handle something like normal NY or Boston traffic. Then there's an emergency everything stays smooth as ice. Unbelievable.
As a mechanic I have seen several aircraft that had been struck by lightening and the crew never knew it.On my post flight walk around I noticed the black burn marks caused by the lightening.Most of the times however when a plane does get hit EVERYONE on board knows it.The glow of the lightening , the loud noise of the lightening, the flickering lights, the smell of ionized air and the quietness in the cabin as the passengers try to figure out if they all just died and went to heaven :)
On one of my many flights out of ORD we were hit by lightning at about 5000ft. Planes are made to discharge the energy. Although it does make a loud bang. After a minute or so the pilot said everything was fine.
Typically you see a very bright flash and would possibly even see an discharge from the electricity on the windshield of the aircraft. You also may see cabin/dome lights flicker and see some interference in some of the equipment in the cockpit especially those that are modern. Remember that the skin of most plans is largely aluminum, so the current carry and discharge indication from the strike are more obvious than in a car.
"thank you declaring an emergency at this time" although that sentence obeys the atc communication rules it sounds like atc is soo relieved JBU is declaring finally an emergency thumbs up, indeed, very calm and professional. just how it should be!
How does an aircraft with limited sight range determine whether they got hit by lightning? My car got hit once driving across Arizona, the only thing I noticed was that everything on the radio console no longer worked, but it sounded like any other close strike.
Emergecy declared, lightning strike, smoke in the cockpit, do you want to get in line and wait or do you want to land right now....ummm....tell me my options again?
Good point. Things would have been much more clear if they were not afraid of using the "M" word. No one can say for sure what system may fail after a lightning strike. There were a couple of times it took extra radio time to clarify. " Mayday, lightning strike, smell of smoke in cockpit." Unambiguous, even through the radio static and transitions to other controllers.
My uncle has related MANY stories, about a dozen first hand, of lightning strikes silent and deafening, ball lightnig floating threw the aircraft, static residue storms in the cockpit and passenger compartments....great stuff you just can not appreciate unless you've experienced it.
I guess out of an abundance of caution they would land and have a look see But airliners are struck by lightning all the time and don't suffer any damage at all. The "smoke" they smelled was ionized air from the lighting. I'm surprised that the flight crew wouldn't know that. 😨
Cigs smell like burning tobacco. No pilot is dumb enough to confuse it for an actual fire. They banned it because people wanted it banned for health and comfort reasons. Especially flight attendants.
In-flight fire caused by cigarette, 25 fatalities: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAAC_Flight_2311 In-flight fire where pilot misunderstood the fire to be a garbage bin fire, which was common when smoking was still allowed on flights, 23 fatalities: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Canada_Flight_797 So, no. When the smoke alarms go off all the time because people are smoking, and not setting fire to the plane, pilots and flight attendants will become jaded and not recognize the severity of the situation, if Flight 797 is any indication. In-flight fires are extremely dangerous, and need to be acted upon immediately if there's any chance of saving the people on board. There is no time for any bullshit wondering if some moron stuck their cigarette in a garbage bin or not.
lies damnlies there was smoking allowed if flights since the wright brothers. It wasn’t until the pussy generation arrived that it became a problem. They bitch about cig smoke but think nothing of sitting in a traffic jam in their junk ass second hand cars.
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PrebNdLaVYU.html Mentour Pilot on the nightmare of fire, including, at the end of the video, cigarette smoking.
Damn, can someone explain why there are so many different frequencies? Why do they need NY Approach, meaning why can't they just use KJFK's Tower frequency? Also, what's the difference between a tower and a ground frequency? Thanks!
Here.. Ground controls just that. They are only responsible for aircraft movements on the taxiways. They control everything until the aircraft gets to the runway. When the aircraft reaches the runway, the control tower takes over. The tower controls everything in that airport's airspace. As soon as a plane leaves the airport's airspace, it is no longer the airport (tower's) responsibility. They contact a TRACON (or center/approach) center, who has radar and controls all of the air traffic that's not in a tower airspace. The approach is between a center and a tower. Basically, they set aircraft up on an approach path from cruise then pass the flight off to the tower for landing clearance.
They have many frequencies because aircraft need to be controlled at all stages of takeoff/landing. Small airports do have single frequency approaches, but here they need multiple controllers. Each controller gets his own frequency, because otherwise they'd all be talking over each other. Approach controls approach, tower is responsible from use of the runways, ground is for taxiways.
ionization does produce an ozone kind of smell yes, but the aircraft is essentially a Faraday cage, does the smell actually exist on the inside of a Faraday cage? interesting, I don't recall smelling it in the car, I was scared shitless to begin with :).
Is it just me, or do other males feel the same? Every time I hear female ATC, I feel like they're the sexiest beings ever. I can't quite explain it, it's either the radio changing the voice in some sort of primal instinct way, or is it because they talk technical - one way or another, it's a pleasure to listen to it.
haha, I was just about to comment that the female controller spoke slower and clearer. I had difficulties following the males, but caught every word the female said. Being female myself I wonder if that is the reason?? The male voices always seem so low and unclear to me, and talk so fast!
Pilots pls!!!!: it is "MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY" - - stop confusion with "we are declaring blabla...." - this "say again" because of someone not following rules is unnecessary - - rest well done!
The Mayday Call and the word "Emergency" it´s the same! North and South American pilots uses "Declaring an emergency" , but the "Mayday" it's more often to hear it in Europe, and also they use the Pan Call, that indicates a problem, not a danger for the aircraft and the passengers
gotta love Google: Chapter 10. Emergencies Section 1. General 10-1-1. EMERGENCY DETERMINATIONS a. An emergency can be either a Distress or an Urgency condition as defined in the “Pilot/Controller Glossary.” b. A pilot who encounters a Distress condition should declare an emergency by beginning the initial communication with the word “Mayday,” preferably repeated three times. For an Urgency condition, the word “Pan-Pan” should be used in the same manner. c. If the words “Mayday” or “Pan-Pan” are not used and you are in doubt that a situation constitutes an emergency or potential emergency, handle it as though it were an emergency. d. Because of the infinite variety of possible emergency situations, specific procedures cannot be prescribed. However, when you believe an emergency exists or is imminent, select and pursue a course of action which appears to be most appropriate under the circumstances and which most nearly conforms to the instructions in this manual.
