I never get tired of that sound :) So crisp and regular and reliable. Spent 30 years on 4 strokes but back in 2015 picked up a Beta 300RR and its now on 600 plus hours running as sweet as the day I bought it. A bit rattly as its only ever had one piston/ring change but its just soooo reliable and that 2T motor is such a joy to ride I'll never need to go back to 4 strokes again
600H and only one piston? No cylinder? Thats impressive! I Got 53h on my 23 300rr and also very happy. What a nice bike and started as a beginner. Made such good efforts with thats smooth clutxh and engine
@@Max-dj5qj Best bike out there right now. just use high quality oil, Castor 927, Motul 800, and i mix it just a touch oil rich at 46:1 to ensure plenty lubrication and no risk of too lean. Havent fouled a plug yet.
Hey Rich, love all your videos I bought a 250 RR last year and I love mine I to I run in the Suzuki needle like you and I am loving it. I’ve run many different bikes, and you’re right the beta has the smoothest power delivery I’ve ever felt on a dirtbike figure.
I started using Suzuki NExx needles around 2010 on my GasGas 300 and since then I've put them on every bike I've owned. What I would highlight about them is the smoother transition between low and high RPM, with a way more powerful and linear mid range. Perhaps a bit less powerful in the top end, but for the technical enduro that I use to ride, this is not a concern to me
Excellent video. Best discription of jetting I've seen. I went with the jd needle kit with 2 sizes down on main. That's what the kit said to do and it is a Night and day difference for the better. No more bike loading up and running so rich. Crisp and snappy and clean stronger power. A # 9 ktm clutch master cylinder Kit and the clutch is easier to pull and no more hand cramp on longer rides. Bike is perfect now. And street legal. Just ride out of the garage.
Good info for dirtbike "techy" riders. Not just TECH terrain or trails, but carbs, engine compression, flywheel weights, power valve, suspension/rebound/compression/sag, tire pressure, etc.,etc.,etc., ... Nice work!
It almost seems like the oil injection in the RR vs the premix in the Race edition may be the biggest difference. Would be interesting to see what happens if you ran premix through an RR (bypassing the oil injector).
Rich if you don’t already make sure to adjust your float height from 5.5mm to 8.5mm another very small but very effective change on that PWK for the Beta’s
Why is that? Im not too familiar with float adjustments. My 2013 250 has never really had a problem but ive also noticed that the bowl will leak out the over flow very easily. Any sort of leaning or anything can cause it to drip out. How is that measurement taken?
@@masterbeta343 so thats one of the exact reasons to change it , your fuel milage will increase and it will as a result run a hair tick leaner and cleaner.
@@masterbeta343 no complete opposite when it closes off thats when it throws the fuel out. You need less fuel in the bowl so the float has further to travel before it closes
@@motoboggle7525 wait now im confused. if you want less fuel in the bowl then you adjust the float downwards which results in the needle shutting off fuel sooner. adjusting the float towards the top of the carb means more fuel in the bowl and a later shutoff. dont you want it to shutoff since its the overfilling of the bowl that causes it to leak out?
Love your stuff Rich, excellent relevant and concise information. Various of our rider group here in Australia really respect and enjoy your reports. I searched your site for info about the Beta X-Trainer but no luck ... I'd love to hear your thoughts. Would you also recommend the Suzuki needles for the X-Trainer? I have a 2023 XT 300. I love it for exactly the reasons you've described above. I do some trials, and bought an old Freeride 250R hoping it would be good in slow technical but the low down motor characteristics just drove me nuts. Like in that slow build of throttle approaching an obstacle. After a year of intense experimentation I sold it in frustration. I absolutely love the way the Beta motor runs so smooth down low. Cheers.
Great video! Thanks. One small request. Can you please write down the RR300 setup and also main air screw turns - that makes a huge difference of how the bike feels. I will try to tune out the same result as you have on yours.
On my GasGas I just put ProTaper EVO Steering Damper Low bars. They are very close in measurement to a couple of Astra bar bends. So kind of poor man’s Astra or if guys have trouble finding them outside of North America. I’m 6’1” and I instantly felt better standing and in more control with the super low bars.
Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts on jetting. Stock jetting on new beta obviously sounded too fat and it became much crispier with suzuki needle. Have you ever tried a lectron carb btw? What do you think of it?
Btw! I have a new husky TX300 TBI and I hopped on my buddies super dialed (jetting) beta 300 rr, it’s way better! Can’t believe how good, grunty, consistent, powerful that motor is… I’m coming from a as perfect as possible jetted ktm 300. Impressed to say the least
My dog likes to lead, so every now and then she gets a little bit in the way and thankfully I haven't ran her over yet. I'm loving my '22 300 race edition. The power delivery is truly amazing. At 800 ft elevation the stock jetting has been so good I haven't bothered to mess with it, though I will make time to play with that, because like you say we're always looking to tweak it into perfection, though it's hard for me to imagine it getting better than it already is. I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the oil injection system and differences in the suspension. I thought the race edition was worth the extra $500 to get the KYB forks. Mine still has the Sachs shock and that works good enough for me. I've read about enough electrical failures that I would probably convert the oil injection to premix. I'm a firm believer that simpler is almost always better. That Phase gear looks awesome.
Hey great video and nicely explained. I'm in the UK so obviously a different climate. How far above sea level are you and what was the temperature there? Cheers!
Current Beta 300 jetting needs are kind of intresting thanks for doing a video. Many think they are well jetted out of the box but are they ? Rich yes but somehow there Lean too. Is a Suzuki needle smoother? yes it is but does it sort the underlying jetting issue, I think not, it just has a better profile for smooth power if that's what your after. In general I find that under a light load the jetting seems a little rich but as soon as you load the engine in the low throttle, think 2nd gear steep low traction hill work, it gets hot, weak and needs the clutch to keep it going or a lower gear, you can play this back and forth with diffrent needles and clip positions, turning the air screw in will help as will a 40, 42 or 45 pilot but its a band add. For me changing how the engine transitions from the pilot to the main circuit is whats needed, a No 6 Slide this will richen transition as you roll into the throttle its not the same as changing the needle diameter as many think it has a much broader range of influence, I tend to think of it as shortens the time it takes the main circuit to deliver fuel or become active more than anything else, its a dynamic. H diameter needles with the 6 Slide are also a slight improvement on W and Js in any of the common needle series as you wont need so much pilot for the transition and the W and Js will feel kind of skinny at idle and off. The authority this 6 Slide gives the engine to pull load at low rpms is a joy, a happy clutch and much cooler running motor will follow. Sorry for the ramble but its mighty and will still run clean maybe not just as clean as you like Rich but it will give you a more tractable and forgiving motor on the climbs .
vor 0 Sekunden I have set my idle like you since years. I also use the NECW on the 300 combined with a 38 pilot jet. You said u use the 40 pilot jet. On which clip from top are u running the NECW on the 300? Or better, did u drop the needle from 3rd to second clip when changing the pilot jet for a 40? Thanks and regards from Austria/Europe
Great video, and it's funny that I was just about to go install a new SmartCarb and this popped up. It was asked before in the thread but, have you ever used a SC and what is your experience if so?
Rich, This is super cool! Did you try the Suzuki needles when you had your Sherco 300? Did it work? Do you have a needle you would recommend to smooth the Sherco out? Mine sounds exactly like that 250 with the stock needle, fluttering all over.
Tested the smart carb a little bit on previous machines years ago. It has been changed quite a bit since then, so maybe it does warrant a test. Tough for me to imagine anything running better than my 300 does with my current settings.
@IRCTireUSAMoto I remember watching a video of Cody Web regarding Keian , lectron , and the sc2 . He liked the sc2 and kept that on him bike . I thought I heard something that the whole Sherco Team is now running the sc2 . I may b wrong on that . I know that my 250 grunts up almost any hill in 3rd . I love what it does to the bottom end . Maybe you talk to them and see if you can do a review comparison on the 250 you have . Idea. Love to see it .
I can hear the difference, it's like the choke is half on. It's the straight part of the needle, I used to use the leanest I could and a big pilot on my EXC300 so it ran cooler on idle. Used to swap needles winter-summer. Can all ways tell a TPI that has a damp crank case sensor they do the same.
On the RE you can stull hear that ding ding ding after reving in neutral... is this ok or lean? My does the same and thinking to do some changes, now has NECW 2nd clup, 165 main and 38 pilot.
Put that necw and the 40 in. My 250 always feels better jetted richer than my 300. And suzuki needles are definitely the way to go. Even with carbed ktms pre mikuni.
250 often need to be a little richer than 300. I asked to jd jetting tech why, and he said the 300 have more vaccum signal, so the 300 get more fuel if using the same jet.
Im following the beta jetting app. Is there something better by using a Suzuki needle? 22 200rr 150 main 45 pilot N1EJ needle air screw 3 turns out over 8k elevation Utah. Thanks for these great vids love my IRC tires.
Do you guys have suggestion for the jetting a 2023 200 racing at sea level 50-90F? NECJ neddle or should I get the NECW instead? I am going to try 40-170 jets first, cheers
Yeah but why doesn't the manufacturer install the correct needles in the factory ? And why do the 2-stroke bikes have that large bucket at the front part of the exhaust? My KTM 4-stroke doesn't, there's only a regular pipe there. Dammit, now I want a Beta 300RR to play with !?
Manufactures usually jet their bikes for sea level, which means when they come to the northwest at 4 and 5 thousand+ feet, they run rich. Which is why you usually have to change the jetting.
Each manufacture has their own set of needles. I have the bike set to its recommended jetting for this altitude. But in my opinion, Suzuki needle seems to work better than the beta needle.
Beta manufactures their own motors, or do they buy the engines from some third part manufacturer? Anyway, Beta should buy at least their needles from Suzuki then.@@IRCTireUSAMoto
@IRCTireUSAMoto I have a 19 Beta 300rr and removed the oil injection. I live at sea level. I have ordered the Suzuki needle but live at sea level. What are thoughts on clip and jetting? Most of my riding is very tight woods, with rocks, roots,...
Can i ask something if you know ? My 300 racing 2024 they burn my sparks 3 times. I see the factory manual and said to put the mix screw one and one quarter for the bottom out in hi before 1000 meters. I do it and my sparks braking, after they seller told me the problem was the oil. I put 1.8% ipone samurai. I send them email in ipone company and told me no way. the problem was the said my mix is to rich something happened with my carburettor. I notice two days a go if i put the mix screw 1.8 out the bike working a lot of better I don't see from exhaust a lot of oil and my bike have more bottom power . But i live in island and not in the mountains the manual said if i live in 1000 meter and up hi to put the mix screw 1.8 you think maybe is something else ?? Now i don't know what i do ? The seller told me to give my bike back and they gives me one 250 new no racing simple but i lose 1200€ and not only this the problem they problem is they don't care about my problem they don't try to have a solution but only to give my bike back . i don't like to give my new bike is mine i pay for it 😢
I really love the feel of the 250 race but I feel the suspension is a bit to stiff for me. Can anyone tell me what I can do to soften/ plush it up that’s not going to cost thousands? Different valving, oil type/ volume?
Thought the same with my 23 300 race. At 5hrs now its getting softer. I've backed the clickers out and the high speed. Verry happy. Clickers can be backed rite out if needed.
