It's so accurate, it's like his take on Matt Hardy and Chris Jericho, absolutely spot on, these C list washed-up celebs, or in Dave's case, a never-was, pseudo-celeb who are completely out of touch with reality, including their own job.
Better: Later on in the show he gets a phone call, and just fires off a burst like "Don't Have None, Don't Want None, Don't Do None. Take your pick and F*** OFF!!!" - that might even be worth using on an answerphone message...
I'm with Team Corny: He's been in and around the wrestling business for over 40 years, and he's still DRAWING MONEY......he's seen wrestling from EVERY ANGLE u can see it from.....when he tells u something is good or bad, he also explains WHY it's good or bad......he puts u right in the action from the perspective of someone who's "been there"........😏
@@supergluehotty 1991 Meltzer wasn't wasn't better. His feigned outrage over the Persian Gulf was as much of fake news as I've ever seen it. That stuff with Slaughter was too campy and comedic to be taken seriously. Pro wrestling has always been exploitative art. I don't see the issue He also wrote long columns lamenting about snitching on Jake Roberts, signaling his virtue by citing Bruiser Brody's advice to him that he's to always tell the truth. Yet did he ever talk about the gross sexual assaults in wrestling that I'm almost certain he knew about? He apparently knew about Bill DeMott's hazing, then said nothing. I understand the need to protect your sources as a journalist, but don't go on about being a truth teller. He never was and he has always had an axe to grind. Even his anti-steroid nonsense about McMahon was fake news as well. The Feds had no case, and it surprises me that it wasn't dismissed in pre-trial motions upon discovery. Meltzer, of course, blamed that on prosecutors for not understanding the business. But it wasn't that. The best he could argue, which is highly tenuous, is that McMahon conspired steroid trafficking by rewarding bulked up, chemically enhanced bodies. Somehowitt escaped him that people like Akeem, Andre the Giant, and Earthquake, who all had top programs, likely weren't juicing. His journalism isn't wholly worthless but it's vastly incomplete. I'm not surprised that insiders tend to dislike him given how much weight he's (wrongly) given
Especially when he tries to defend people that sexually harrass people while only giving scorn to people that happen to wrestle in a way he doesn't like. Great guy.
22:30 So basically, what he's saying is..."Nobody should give this guy any attention, while I give him attention in my Newsletter." Great job Uncle Dave.
Cornette just wants someone to listen to him and validate what he grew up watching and participating in, which is why he always found in Meltzer a ready audience. Meltzer has always had a shallow, algorithmic view of wrestling, whose ratings could be predicted by AI, and who amounts to a Ralph Nader consumer advocate of wrestling. It's hard to feel bad for Cornette given that he long has had an axe to grind. More dignified people would just retire instead of watching wrestling he hates, then whining about it every week. I'm sure he has more than enough to retire
@@fruitjoosh9555 If you were remotely astute (you're clearly not), I'm a woman and I watched maybe 2 minutes of AEW in its entire existence to know that the product isn't any good. The factions in this aren't a binary and this isn't a football game, though that might be beyond your cognitive grasp. Cornette is the most guilty person of breaking kayfabe since Eddy Mansfield. He also has been a snitch to a shallow autistic character like Meltzer for years. It's pretty clear that Cornette is motivated by promoting a certain brand of rasslin to which he's drawn and that arguably has not been marketable since 1987. That he got burnt by his own yard dog is more poetic justice than however he's trying to frame the issue re Meltzer. Meltzer only likes MOVEZ. That has been obvious for decades. That Cornette was too much of a mark for himself to notice that is no virtue on his end. Meltzer didn't change, as Cornette maintains. Meltzer has always been that way. As for my words, well, unlike you, I read and listen to arguments carefully. I set up premises, claims, arguments, evidence through many different methods, and conclusions. You, on the other hand, are clumsy, intellectually and otherwise. That's why I was admitted to top universities, and you weren't. See how that works? It's so ungodly amusing that you'd think I'd be interested in some incel, neckbeard smark promotion like AEW. Get a grip. Cornette is a hypocrite. For all his whining about how others expose the business, he sure likes to get himself over by doing that and doing it more than just about anyone else I can think. Look at his 1997 shoots on Raw and tell me how any of what he said made any sense without a kayfabe context. My brand of wrestling hasn't been around in 30 years. Please work on your reading comprehension as well. I'm actually teaching the GRE Verbal later today.
Loved this clip, but I can't stop laughing at the "people started eating cow shit off the side of the road and liking it, but he won't.. he's out of touch!" Best thing I've ever heard.
Dave is useless. Remind is Cornette booking shows? What is he doing exactly from the same bit over and over? It's very odd how people listen to the same Corny rant over and over and over and over.
jim went in as always but holy shit, absolutely LOVED how brian precisely dismantled dave. I liked how jim really emphasized his decades-long friendship/relationship with dave, but brian with his third-party perspective had a unique catharsis to it.
I really don't know why they want him. I'm tempted to blame Joey Janella for this being as I know Gage wrestled on at least one event which he promoted.
After decades of Meltzer believing he knows more about booking than every other promoter (without ever actually running a promotion himself) there finally comes a company that shares most of his takes on modern wrestling and now he feels a personal need to safeguard it to prove that his opinions were objectively true all along. So much of his ego is wrapped up in AEW that if it ever fails it would tank his reputation.
@KaneMagus Where are you getting "most people" from? I don't like Meltzer's behavior, but he's still one of the most influential writers in wrestling. He's the main reason any U.S. fans even know who Kenny Omega is.
"I have no clue who "Dorf Dong Sucker" is" Marko Stunt(ed Growth), he did a spot at an outlaw mudshow where another wrestler was working to force him to gag on a dildo in the ring.
3 things: 1. I appreciate Jim and Brian defending their listeners and FU Omega. 2. I love it when Brian goes off on someone it's subject. Makes me proud to be a NY/NJ guy who now lives in Maryland. 3. Fuck modern wrestling.
Dave and Twinkletoes are just using the modern media techniques, somebody criticizes your craft, you attack them using moral points. Fuck them. Go Corny, we'll always be behind you.
For all you young folks out there who don’t get the boiling rabbit reference, there was a scene in the 1987 film Fatal Attraction where a scorned woman (played by Glenn Close), seeking revenge on her ex-lover who she fell in love with during an affair, (played by Michael Douglas), places his family's beloved pet rabbit in a pot of boiling water when he is away from the house.
Just wanna take a minute to appreciate bryan for standing by jim in this situation, we see Dave's stabbing jim in the back, but its easy to miss that Bryan is stepping up and standing with jim here rather than sitting back and ignoring everything
I started turning on Meltzer way before a lot of people did. Why? Because for at least a decade, he couldn't shut up about MMA. He wouldn't say five words about wrestling without going on a tangent about how great the UFC was, how wrestling needed to be more like it, more 'realistic', and so on. Ever notice how he stopped that right about the time AEW came about?
Meltzer has always been biased for certain promotions over the years in phases or binges. All Japan through the 80s and 90s, ROH and Mexico in the early 2000s, New Japan for the last 15 years or so.
@@theatheistbrony9332 Not at all. I'm just hoping someone can push these incidents in the media so that it puts TNT in a position to address them. And by addressing them, forces AEW to remove Callis, Omega, Jericho, etc. from the show.
Kenny is deplorable because he’s taking a Cluess man money that doesn’t know the business he’s makes Dixe Carter look real smart and the cokookamaga twins is bow down to their senile Uncle Dave
I can't figure out how much the Bucks are paying Uncle Dave to suck on their hemmorhoids. They're the true dwarf dongsuckers (why does Jim hate Marko Stunt so much when Marko isn't pushed seriously?)
@Ronan The Accuser he's a comedy wrestler and seems to know it. Now, if they push him toward more serious opponents or a mid-card title, then you have grounds to complain.
Hello from the uk. I absolutely love everything on this show. Every episode. Only to say, this isn't a ancient regional news letter. This a world wide superb show, with a world wide audience. You are an amazing tag team. Keep up the great work. Thanks
Meltzer finally feels like hes one of the boys when they name a finisher after him and actually hang out with him that's why he will defend them till the end he had a crush on them and I still would not put him past him that hes on the aew payroll the guy is delusional
They keep trying to make sense of someone that is clearly not a rational adult. Whether he’s on the spectrum, or suffers from borderline personality disorder, there is something going on with Dave. His inability to understand boundaries and his rapid switch between idolization and contempt all point to something being wrong. To try to make sense of his actions is futile.
Not even trying to say this as a diss, but when Corny was reading that trivia e-mail from Dave it sounded exactly like how some of the kids with autism I've worked with in the past would speak and write.
@@PKHalford Lmao that is kind of true. I remember one I think teenager who had autism was in the video store I was doing my co op in and he basically knew every Dragon Ball Z episode and everything that happened in them. It does remind me of the Meltzer email where he just randomly explains everything even though no one asked for it. I don't mind the Dragon Ball Z guy because he was in the store looking for one of the season DVD's and he wasn't disrespectful at all. Dave on the other hand still knew Jim hates him and doesn't want him to talk to him but just emails him anyways.
@@PKHalford I'm on the spectrum myself and yeah, that email registered as classic spectrum infodumping to me, the kind I had to sort of teach myself not to do because people don't like it
To be fair, Jim isn’t always the most rational person either. When he’s constantly threatening to kill people, talking about how happy it would make him to kill certain people, making threats on camera, that comes off as a bit messed up in its own right.
At my job, I will occasionally have some older wrestling on in the background while I am working. I will hear from customers sometimes who used to watch wrestling but haven't in many years. The general consensus from people outside the wrestling bubble is that it's boring now.
Yeah I only have one friend who likes to watch with me but few others will just either do or not depending on their mood and if there is anything to do. AEW, no one will watch at all after like two shows they just really don't want to. I only stuck around just to see if it would get any better or worse and just laugh at some of the stupid dumb shit they do but even that got boring and I got more annoyed by the end of every show.
I bet they will start putting him over like mfer because he was on Dark side of the ring yet they pretty much did absolutely nothing with Brian Pillman Jr, a talent that any booker with a brain could make something out of.
I do not agree with Jim politically and I don’t think Omega is a bad wrestler but he critiques wrestling so well, especially the modern stuff. I find it hard to disagree with most of what he says and at the end of the day looking at viewership he’s right, hardly anyone is watching it. Blaming Jim for a mad fan is crazy, Meltzer has lost the plot I think he is on the AEW payroll tbh.
I agree with why Jim hates Omega. And its not because Omega is a so-so overrated wrestler, but because Omega embarrassed the business. Also I vote republican, and when Cornie talks politics I just roll my eyes and hit fast forward
Lots of us do that. It's not us Republicans trying to get Jim cancelled. I just skip to his wrestling talk and see him as politically ignorant. We can see past these things.
Agreed. I'm from the party that thinks the big two are all crooks lol sorry Corny and Omega can put on some great matches... Don't mention Marko or Riho though lol
I think I speak for most of us when I say we would never jump the rails at an AEW event because that means we paid to be at an AEW event in the first place.
I 100% agree with Jim on everything but try to stay agnostic on the feud (I do enjoy hearing Jim talk about it though) but as someone who got the Observer religiously in its early years my one big criticism of Meltzer is he seems to be Working more than Shooting since the internet came around hence the emails as if he and Jim are working an angle (shades of the Young Bucks being incapable of telling the difference between the two).
Actually both Jim and Melt are milking you sheeps by creating controversy. I'm sure they both are in good terms and have an agreement to bad mouth each other to stay relevant.
@Youtosux you are bit of a dimwit aren't you who lives in a world of his own. Look I'm not going to outright attack or call you names because I stand nothing to gain from this digital war of words 😘 bye
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@@TheGreatVivek7 nah this is how someone who is schizophrenic views the world. To believe that Jim is not an honest man is to not believe in anything you hear. Good luck bud.
LOL....WOW!!!! Brain really laid the hammer down on Meltzer in this one. I've never been prouder of Mr. Last for speaking the cold, hard, brutal truth.
@KaneMagus but honestly still better than most RAW matches and some Smackdown!! WWE has fallen into such a horrible shitty pattern of booking and ruining NXT call ups that AEW is more entertaining all around!!!
I'm used to Brian being the calm collected one. It was weird to hear him get real hot. He's not wrong though. I'm 22 and prefer to watch pre WWF territory matches than anything all elite has ever done
@@richardpreston7333 it's true, and I will say I 100 percent agree with Brian and Jim. How the young fucks weren't ran out of the business years ago is shocking to me
I’m a Cornette fan and I don’t have a low I.Q! I got my doctorate in quantum physics from Cambridge University in 2005 and have an I.Q of 173 and have all the paperwork to prove it, I can’t speak for every Jim Cornette fan but I can certainly speak for myself. I first saw Jim Cornette in 93 when he joined the WWF as WCW wasn’t on Sky TV (satellite tv) until 95 when Nitro started on TNT and back then I hated Cornette and it wasn’t until I was an adult that I ended up thinking Cornette is absolutely amazing
After decades of having a meaningful place in the wrestling world, I think Dave's afraid to accept the fact that that world is long gone. Which means he too is gone. And because there is nowhere else to go in wrestling anymore, he's willing to take whatever is thrown out in front of him to avoid having to let it go. The wrestling world is what gave Dave his identity and made him an important figure practically his entire adult lifetime. The thought of not having that identity anymore, or not being significant to someone anymore, is what I think he's struggling the most to deal with. Not being relevant (at this stage in his life) to a modern wrestling world that has past him by is probably so scary for him that he will literally do or say anything to be considered "hip" or in the "now" by a company full of brats that don't give a damn about him at all. But hey...they named a wrestling move after him so I guess that means they "care." And because of that Dave is prepared to lie to you and betray you in their names. That makes Dave sad and it makes Dave dangerous. Which is exactly why Corny went off the way he did.
Scott Steiner did a promo back in like 2011 I think I don't know it's on RU-vid but he talks about these wrestlers wanting to play their video games and giving a crap how many stars there matches got it's a pretty good one check it out more relevant now than ever I think might have even been talking about the Bucks Maybe
@@schmoeschlomo6972 I don't know how to post links but type in Bryan and Vinny Scott Steiner's best and worst promo it should pop up I can't find the full video other than that
Everything Cornette says is fact and just pure gold! I'll pick any random raw or nitro from the 90s on RU-vid over the garbage on nowadays any time I want to watch wrestling.
Cornette said that the Jim Cornette business makes more money for him than the wrestling business. Dave Meltzer has been in the Dave Meltzer business for about 5 years now.
Dave’s situation is VERY easy to explain…he’s not “on the payroll”, he’s not this or that. He wants to be right. You see it everywhere nowadays (especially with political issues 🙄). Everybody doubles down, nobody examines their “team’s” outlook or offers a dissenting opinion to its dominant narrative. That’s what’s happening here. Dave has surrendered to his “team’s” groupthink, therefor he MUST defend their honor at all times.
All these months that Jim was reluctant to say "fuck you" to Dave made me know we would eventually reach to this point. Shouldn't feel this way, but this feel cathartic.
48 minutes!? I watch the RU-vid videos because I can't commit that amount of time to listen to full podcasts. Guess I'm just going to have to suck it up
He lost credibility as a journalist the moment he kept reviewing matches of people who have named a move after him - that's pretty much textbook conflict of interest! Not that I'd wish GamerGaters on anyone, but if that movement had genuinely been about journalistic integrity you'd have to think they'd have some interest in Dave...
Then again Jim is stuck in the past and has pretty bad self-awareness at times so they are both weird but just like different things. Jim is better at forming proper sentences while talking though.
@@storkfletcher821 The INDUSTRY is stuck in the past. AEW are trying to poorly imitate ECW with bits of FMW and the attitude era thrown in, trying to use lots of nostalgia (CM Punk, Chris Jericho, Sting, Matt Hardy, CHristian...). The only thing they have in their favour is WWE seems to be trying to revert to the 80s! Jim goes to the past when certain fundamental things were done better like match psychology and booking, but listen to the praise he has for things like Ilja vs WALTER - it can still be modern and good. The trouble is wrestling has become like Michael Bay movies with lots of spectacle, but without the logic to make it engaging for an even mildly discerning audience which is one of the reasons why both companies would kill for the ratings that TNA used to have!
@@CaptLoquaLacon The industry isn't as stuck in the past compared to Jim since he can't handle most of the indie style, which is certainly more modern than what he keeps talking about. He's also twisted in his idea of realism, often advocating things that still aren't realistic, and complain about things like how the V-Trigger supposedly isn't a good move despite that it's one of the more viable wrestling moves if we look at what works in real fighting. He also complains about goofiness, while at the same time laughs merrily when he reminisces his times running around with a tennis racket and being goofy. Not the greatest self-awareness. It's of course fine to not be a fan of something but since he's completely ignoring the changing context of the entertainment scene when he's talking about that AEW isn't sucessful, despite just having been around a bit over a couple of years, it becomes pretty weird. It all really falls into place when you realize that he gets much more upset over the fact that Kenny Omega exists in wrestling than that Flair sexually harassed a woman. For the latter he kept trying to soften the issue by that there was no ill intent meant and it's just unfortunate circumstances. So I maintain my position that Jim's credibility is very much in question as well, if Meltzer's is because he's biased.
Yeah I think he has problems, when he talks about omega and young bucks he sounds like a child trying to talk nice about someone to be friends. He has a child’s brain.
Reminds me of Wayne's World. "Stacy, we broke up two months ago." "Well, that doesn't mean we can't still go out." "Well it does actually. That's what breaking up is." Next Dave is going to give Jim a gun rack as a present. Seriously though this was sad to listen to. It's a friendship ending over one guy not liking something the other guy does and the other guy getting defensive about it. It could be as simple as "Jim doesn't like this but we're allowed to have different tastes." Wrestling is entertainment, it's subjective. Jim can dislike AEW and Dave can like it.
Yeah those death threats are unnecessary but to be honest man I've been watching old VHS tapes that I got from old WWE stuff and I got to say dude I think Jr has always sucked Jerry The King Lawler was the star of that commentary team definitely man
You have Jim who’s had the same standards and beliefs on wrestling for his whole life, who criticizes WWE and AEW in equal measure. Then you have Dave who claims to be a journalist filling his work with personal bias, changes his beliefs to fit modern trends, is bought and paid for my one company, defends that company religiously and can’t fathom any dissent or criticism of those they have anointed. Yet Jim and his followers are irrational? The IWC and their associated cliques really need to take their heads out of AEW’s arse and see the bigger picture.
This has aged like a fine wine, especially the “out of touch” insult.. 2 years later, AEW is at an all time low in regards to attendance and ratings, so Jim was yet again proven right and Uncle Dave looks like a clown