Jim Cornette Reviews A&E's WWE Rivals: WCW vs. WWE 

Why isn’t the original hell in a cell not thought of this way? It was a way better match

@@SpaceGhost92 It was but the Foley spots are just too memorable and take away it's shine. But I think HIAC 1 is more iconic as a whole - Better match - Kane Debut - Shawn bleeding - Shawn's spot off the cell onto the table

I love mick, but honest to god, if it weren't for steve austin, mick and taker would have had that match infront of 10 people at the local national guard armory. For real, the way Steve was able to just grab people's attention away from WCW was unparalleled by anyone else on the roster. The other guys then rose to the occasion and were able to support him and capitalize on that attention with world caliber matches to hold people's focus, but only once people were actually looking. The attitude era rose with Steve, and wrestling died when he left (pg era). No bones about it. He was the rising tide that lifted all the other boats,

@@maxdecphoenixthis is pretty revisionist, Austin was huge and obviously was already on his way to being the biggest star the business ever saw but you’re taking away so much of the decades of that the WWF brand built before that

That match made Mick Foley a star. The following January, he'd win the belt on Raw. That wouldn't have happened if not for Hell in a Cell.

good point, i'm sure a & e believes that freddy prinze jr and vince mcmahon co-created professional wrestling and triple h made it mainstream when he had the wedding of the century with stephanie

"Sports Entertainment"

Well Vince didn't invent pro-wrestling, he invented Sports entertainment.

@@heisensaul5538 that is actually true tbf 😂

Everyone knows that was Vinnie's dad lol

For me, The Wrestler had put out a magazine with a story about a joint PPV between WCW and the WWF "Is No Longer Just Talk!", so I thought they were actually going to do an inter-promotional show.

@@Rjensen2 That would've been awesome if they had done it.

martin, scott...hopefully you were just a dumb kid at the time plot twist: you're an 60 year old man and a really dumb adult

How….? Bro doesn’t know how contracts work 😭💀

I thought it was part of the show then I saw Nash throw Ray Mysterio like a javelin into a trailer. I thought “oh man, this could be real.”

Yeah; I had been just skipping the end of the videos when the ad would start, but now I'm finding them just as entertaining as the rest of the podcast (that's here on RU-vid).

you're in luck ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-J4biqbIJQrE.html

$147,000! Brian: "No."

He has a omnibus of his commercial 5 hours of funny stuff 😄

@@davidmurray6949 Wow; I may have to listen to that one sometime!

Right down to beating his wife after drinking.

Whether *

@@thecapn3560 language police 👮‍♂️ 🚓🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨

@@thecapn3560 the asterisk goes to the left side smh

@@jaredhouk8710 Well, that was a pretty egregious word crime.

I laughed WAY TOO HARD at that!!!

I actually like Hardee's better than BK anyway 😅

Then he started doing 30 minute boring ass promos. 😴 Shop Beam!

Only they didn't because he still used some of the Razor accent

This isn't the groundbreaking take you thought it was.

@@huh8662 He had to. Nobody knew him as anything else in wrestling at that point. He was literally playing Razor Ramon invading WCW.

@@christhornycroft3686 hence why the accent stopped shortly after the WWF sued WCW & while most newer fans only knew him as Razor, older fans like me still remembered him from his run in the AWA.

The winner gets to write the history books. Go drink some soy melk and try not to spill it on one of your participation awards.

@@thejanglezclan I was merely making the point off what Jim Cornette said,he's the one saying glossed over.To me it's ancient history.If I want to revisit it I know how to,but it's not that important to me.I also don't drink soy milk,(but do know how to spell it) Also, I have done a lot better than participation awards in my life,stay woke loser!

@@thejanglezclan But what is there to say. WCW/NWA was always a distant second. Most of the time WCW was always having problems, financial trouble and less then performing live shows. Jim likes to make Crockett time there some having great business but they always were having problems. The brief periods of success were always over shadowed by times of flat or bad business periods during Crockett's run. When JCP tried to be more than they should have taken, territoriality and otherwise, on they were in constant trouble and needed things to go perfect for them to move forward. They still had horrible live show business sometimes in the low thousands in many places. Things might have been glossed over but the "wars" are more to sell DVDs and do shows like these then them being a valid situation where WWF/E was in a serious battle with WCW/NWA. The war and WCW's TV ratings lead only lasted less than 2 years in a otherwise 20 year period for both companies. Not real true competition. WWE/F was a global corporation, WCW/JCP was a mainly southeastern US company. Its all hype to sell stories, myth building and a challenge that for the most part never really existed.

@@thejanglezclan no they don't lol. Not in this regard, it's almost more people listening to the truth via these podcasts than watching the product of wwe now

The wrong side won. If WCW lost, it was because of financial mismanagement, even though they had more talent and put on better matches. Even into some parts of TNA, I would rather watch Sting, Hogan and Flair than whatever vanilla gym bros were kissing the ass of VKM.

Undertaker vs. Sting could've happened at WrestleMania 31 *well* past both men's primes and after the hype had died down and they could've actually had a quality match. Sadly, Undertaker was in his ego (yet again) and never wanted the match. Look it up, the info isn't hard to find.

we also never had rock vs micheals but we know why

@@thejanglezclan weren’t they gonna have a match at mania 27 but sting decided not to jump ship to wwe after their past treatment of past WCW stars especially Booker T?

launching rey into a trailer like a human lawn-dart helped quite a bit. Those early NWO promos where they fought everyone in the back and hit people with bats was the greatest tv that 12year old me had ever seen. once it started moving into the ring more and more and NWO holding 45 minute promo's every nitro it started getting stale REALLY quick.

I read an article in my newspaper's sports section around 1998-99 that seriously discussed the possibility that Turner and McMahon would face each other in a cage match. At the time, it seemed like a legitimate possibility!

exactly. turner couldn't care less about mcmahon. bischoff was obsessed with mcmahon

Agreed, especially when it was the exact opposite, Vince was the one obsessed with Turner. McMahon wasn't shit in Turner's backyard.

That's simply not true, Ted Turner bought and sold to Vince McMahon Florida Championship Wrestling and gave him a slot on his network, only to take away his programming forcing Vince to sell it to Him Crockett and Turner eventually bought it from Crockett creating WCW! Ted Turner saw that Vince was on to something and there was money to be made in professional wrestling as at the time there was only 1 national wrestling promotion that existed, the WWF! Turner, after a falling out with McMahon, forced him to sell to Jim Crockett promotions because Turner decided he wouldn't honor the deal he had with Vince which was a handshake agreement to sir WWF on TBS! Having no choice Vince was forced to sell the TV rights deal to Crockett for $1 million dollars that was used to fund Wrestlemania 1! Turner saw the success of Wrestlemania and knew that wrestling on cable could make a fortune, he bought mid Atlantic from Crockett named it WCW, and was hyper focused for on putting Vince McMahon and WWF out of business, hence the Monday Night Wars! Vince McMahon lives rent free in Ted Turner's head for at least a decade because he knew if he could put Vince and WWF out of business he would have the number 1 wrestling company in the world that he could air on his networks, TBS & TNT for free and make millions or as we knew now billions of dollars!

​@@DLRXVince was obsessed with Turner und Bischoff with Vince

How come we never got wcw vs wwf dream matches? For Real, Because Vince gave millions of dollars to married women.

​@@OmegaRedFanbecause the mega stars of WCW continued to get their contracted payments while sitting on ass and by the time they weren't life had moved on and it wouldn't have been much of a big deal.

I have a feeling he would have told the story differently during the 83 weeks.

Alot people love say stone cold was the top star but it will always be Hogan he made both wwf and WCW big and had longevity while stone cold was only WWE and only for few short years and was surpassed by the rock

@@avalond1193 Maybe that is thought to be so but in terms of TV I would have put Stone Cold ahead as for the best part of 5 years Austin led the WWF/WWE to its most profitable period, That is something that Hogan can't claim and also the downside of Hogan's run in both promotions was his use of his buddies to fill the slots around him so no one got to outshine him. People like Brutus Beefcake or Earthquake who were there to lay down for Hogan where as Austin did work with people across the card

@@darreng745 well no one is accusing Hogan to be a saint 🤣 I agree he was a politician but it's no different from the cliq and the best friends in aew today or anywhere in wrestling.. it kinda comes with the territory with stars .. as far as stone cold making the most money ever for WWE Hogan still beats him alot people like to rewrite history especially WWE in 80s you couldn't turn away and not see hulk Hogan vitamins hulk Hogan bubble baths Hogan's Rick wrestling cartoon the merch was insane and sold tons it's why Hogan was the headline for so long and then don't forget those nwo shirts and merchandise in WCW those nwo shirts outsold stone colds shirts it is what it is and let's not forget when Hogan came back to WWE how fans quickly went behind him to the point booing both the rock and stone cold. Where Austin soon after took his ball and went home. I'm not trying diminish Austin's success I like him too but gotta be fair and honest something WWE has a trouble of doing

Austin had a higher peak but it was short lived (1997-2003) Hogan was a household name from the 1980s through the early 2000s. I’m an Austin fan but the impact Hogan had on the business was undeniable. With all that being said, Flair is the GOAT in my opinion.

@@countryboyred I'd argue Hogan is the most famous/recognisable wrestler of all time (for /being a wrestler/, not for outside endeavours like movies) and is still more famous than any current active wrestler. I wasn't alive for his heyday and don't understand the appeal at all, but he became a lasting cultural icon on a level that I don't think Stone Cold, as popular as he was, really comes that close to.

Both men say the n word openly

@@DrewKane What do you expect? Dennis is black and Jim is a white guy from the south.

@@DrewKane OK two things!

​@@DrewKane Just like in South Park, only afroamericans are allowed to say "nigga" and homosexuals "fags" to their peers without being considered offensive, but not by the rest of the people.

Everyone constantly highlights it and it is still highly talked about....so no

@@Bale4Bond They did not highlight that in the WWE vs WCW rivals documentary they glossed over that. They showed a clip but did not highlight Scott Halls push and ultimately the force of the Monday night wars

@@Aaronjosephhernandez well, they did highlight it in just every other bit of Monday Night War media, so there you. I'd call almost call that sensible restraint, given how overplayed it is.

@@Bale4Bond Yeah they show that clip all the time. Also seems like people always talk about Scott Hall being great so I don't know if I would say he is underrated. I guess it depends who you talk to.

@@septv9995 WWF thought he was so great they never put the world title on him. He was looked as a midcarder. He went over to WCW and put himself over, that's why his legacy is talked about.

Dude 30 is young. Your brain doesn’t fully develop until you’re 25. Honestly 38 is still young for that matter. We aren’t in the Middle Ages anymore. People are living longer thanks to medicines, and the nutritional information that we have now. My wife’s grandmother is 90 and you probably couldn’t keep up with her. As far as wrestling that all depends on how you’ve worked, and if you haven’t taken too many stupid bumps. The way guys work now, they’re all gonna be old and broken down before 30.

@@brian_b_music 30 is certain sports. 38 is really old. You're looking at it from normal life point of view. No need for a novel.

@@scrappy93 You think that’s a novel? You must not have spent much time in comment sections. I’ve seen people write an entire saga in the comments. Also I did mention age as relative to wrestlers in my last few sentences.

And this is the correct answer. More than three years of hard work was flushed away in moments. Wrestling hasn't and will never be the same.

About how old were you guys in 95?! I was 8, but I was aware that guys went back & forth between companies. I wasn't sure why, admittedly I wasn't a business savvy 8 yesr old who understood the economics of it. Haha. But I remember the way Hall debuted man, that's what confused my 8 year old brain. Lol. I thought he might be a lone wolf, mad at a wrestler he'd had trouble with before or something. I didn't understand that it was their job, bc at 8 I didn't realize that was a career option haha. So at first me & my old pal Joe (my Weasel Dooley) kinda thought he'd bought a ticket & came to whip a suckers ass lol. To be fair, not many 8 yesr Olds have the ability to see outside of the box lol. What you see is what you get, if you know what I'm trying to say. Lol

The guy believing the nwa thing probably believes today that the earth is flat and that trump won the elections

@@karmaray4271 We were 13-16 in 95. We all remembered Flair jumping to WWF and back to WCW, along with a bunch others.

I couldn't help but chuckle at your "we had internet back then" comment. Just because of how different it was back then compared to now.

@@OGREChad 10-4. You were old enough to "get it"!! Wrestling was still as real as Santa Claus at that time for me. Lol. Thats kinda why I thought he came out of the crowd, like I said, to whip a suckers ass he'd had trouble with before. If we'd only realized and appreciated how good we had it as wrestling fans back then!! I don't think any of us would have ever dreamed it could get to the state it's in now!!

I actually agree and I like Bret

@@travisheckel3788 he's one my favorites but it's true. Everyone says Diesel couldn't draw! HBK couldn't draw! But where's mention of the guy who was hand picked by Vince as thee guy to replace Hogan and all them guys? The entire business was down and Hogan and Flair weren't drawing either in WCW during the same time frame as HBK and Bret.

For real. People act like Nash took a thriving company and ran it into the ground when they lost money in 1994 too.

100%,

Bret was WWF's biggest ever draw in Europe but that's right everything starts and ends in America according to Americans.

You sound as foolish as Last lmao

People knew Shawn more than bret especially in North America. You guys revise history.

@@kamfisher1714 A few things here. Was focused on what Bryan said about Shawn. If you want to speak facts then facts are after Hogan left and the steroid trail happened the WWE/F was all around down on business. The biggest champs around that time was Shawn and Bret and Kevin had his year run at the top. None were draws but there is a difference. Kevin left and became a draw with the NWO. Brett was huge in Canada. Shawn was NEVER a draw. He became a special attraction when he returned and had a great run but was never a draw as the top guy.

Of course its on the network, ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-J5511Tj-n4I.html July 2002 raw

That's the Mandela effect, bro. It may have happened but then again it never did happen all at the same time.

@@nawfgotjokes7843 - I remember the match because the Rock acted like the Figure Four was the most excruciating thing ever. lol The oversell.

@@mgawsmestevan23 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-J5511Tj-n4I.html one of the videos on YT that features it, you're welcome, no Mandela Effect here.

@@ajk THANK YOU! Thought I was losing my mind. lol

01-06 is five years sir more less ruthless aggression

@@NoPe-304 96-06 is 10 years.

In no way, shape or form is 1996 the Attitude Era. Attitude Era started when Monday Night Raw became Raw is War. That was 1997.

​@catchcan221 def 1996. That it started in 97 is just WWF marketting but if you watch Raw from 93 then forward the tone changes drastically in 96

I was a teenager during the peak of Attitude era, I have a vivid memory of attending Sunday School at a Baptist church and one of the other guys in the youth group actually played a tape of the St. Valentines Day Massacre PPV one Sunday morning. That's how deep pro wrestling had gotten into the mainstream culture. Come to church to praise Jesus and instead end up watching Austin flipping birds and whipping McMahon from pillar to post. It was a great run and I hated to watch the flames die out. I doubt wrestling will ever regain that level of mainstream acceptance in our (fans that grew up in the 1990s) lifetimes.

WWE marks love everything that's happened since the monopoly era. You're reminding them in vain. Also, people love commoditized outrage.

Kids are still able to suspend their disbelief. Adults cannot do it as well and yet there are probably more of them watching than there are kids. This makes for a weird dynamic as well.

The attitude era at this point is nearly 30 years old I don’t think a majority of fans these days were even born yet

WWE doesn’t want new stars, that’s why their ratings are down. Remember how much and how long they pushed Cena? They strapped a rocket to that guy for a decade straight! WWE was still doing decent PPV buys in the late 2000s..your whole theory falls apart.

Wrestling for me stopped when it stopped being fun. The attitude era was fun. Now, it's boring and all the same.

Could you imagine the image of the gate rising and there stands Meng. Then he starts walking up the ramp to meet the DX jeep.

I played NBA jam on the SNES! You could shatter the backboard, then it would come back

BOOOM SHAKA LAKA!!!!!!!!

you mean listen to lol

Rock vs Stone Cold (2nd) Undertaker vs Kane (3rd)

1. Bret vs hbk 2. Rock vs Austin 3. Wcw vs wwe

@@Aaronjosephhernandez I agree

@@johnwright9049 Forgot Bret vs Michaels thats up there though. Montreal Screwjob really put that rivalry over anybody

@@Aaronjosephhernandez It did and the best matches of their careers were against each other.

And ecw

I always thought that was a little overrated because the the Raw episode had been taped a week in advance to airing so it wasn’t like it was truly the same night. Just aired o. The same night. I also believe he was also on ECW that same week.

@@robertreams1231 no shit mr pp

Probably because WWE is involved in making these and that is something that makes them look bad that they could skip over due to time constraints.

That gun angle with stone cold and Brian Pillman was epic

Yeah those kind of interpromotional supercards were very common in the 70s and even the 80s but by the time the Big 2 were all that was left there was no chance of that.

WWF seemed to always have the best TV production, even when the product wasn't as great. WWF had a more cinematic look, better graphics, entrance music, etc. especially during the Attitude era, opposed to WCW looking more like a traditional sports broadcast (at least to my eyes, and it helped that they were under the same umbrella as the Braves and the NBA). I liked WCW and WWF, but when RAW is War started winning big in the ratings, I could already tell WCW's time would be up soon.

It was like the closest to a “trade”between WCW and WWF, main event for mid card

Exactly. I grew up in Mississippi. Superstars was in syndication and you never knew when it was coming on But i always knew when wcw Saturday night and wcw main event came on

@@madddoggnogood1491 yeah I think it came on early Saturday mornings...don't recall the channel but probably abc or fox?

Always have tried

the main event of wrestlemania next year will be an intergender tag match vince mcmahon and kevin dunn (in a dress) vs two random female wrestlers who will be called the paralegal express

Vince has been doing that ever since he bought the then Capitol Sports from his father and his father's partners, he wants to disguise his past as a failed boxing promoter, failed body building event promoter, failed seller of food suppliments and of course the XFL. Anyone who has ever crossed Vince to the point where even he would not bring that back to make money has been written out of the WWE Universe and the reason for all of this is simple. Vince does not want to be seen as a "Wrasslin' promoter" his view of what the business should be led to Sports Entertainment and also the admission on the real nature of the business to avoid paying that ticket tax on sporting events in New Jersey. There is also the little matter of the fact that by admitting it was fake the State Athletic Commissions no longer had any power to regulate or interfere with the events.

@@darreng745 are you the undertaker?

@@Sky_Blaze Show me examples I’ll wait

Some did at the time because there wasn't all the social media back then and kayfabe was still a thing

it would have been awesome if they said "hogan is the third man" and both of them were dressed like hogan

True, but it wasn’t WWF’s fault. They didn’t own the contracts to the WCW guys who had contracts with Turner, not WCW.

@@robertreams1231 he ruined it with it being the McMahon family war

*Since the mid-2000s, the UFC has done pro wrestling better than pro wrestling has (been a wrestling fan since 1990, MMA/UFC since 1997.)*

Female matches in ppv is the best thing about wwe right now.

For the first time in years I have faith in the creative department, might not get attitude era levels but I could see triple h at least getting 2-3 millions viewers watching raw every week and maybe 2 on smackdown

Is has to happen organically, the attitude era was totally organic initially

Nobody can possibly manufacture an era like that if they tried. It only happened because the 2 companies were owned by 2 wealthy, competitive individuals who wanted bragging rights at virtually any cost. No rational person should expect lightning to be captured in a bottle for a 2nd time.

Show is called Biography lol. People like nostalgia and it's easy topic for views since the majority of wrestling fans are 35+. It's no different than 80s and 90s NBA, NFL docs. Only difference is with other sports old heads debate their era better players vs new school fans say their era better players. Sadly wrestling fans online hate wrestling. So it's just a bunch of people chasing the high that once was and unwilling to totally move on. The OP comment is literally pretending someone is bragging just to say how good wrestling used to be and sucks now.

@@metallicbigtoe3949 it's never gonna happen Again There is now more stars in wrestling anymore

Is this a troll?

The Monday Night War series was great! But yeh that was like 20 episodes and they were an hour long each. It was a strange topic for A&E to try cram into 1 episode

Reliving the wars by Wrestling Bios on YT is better than this A&E crap

@@Sky_Blaze best show on RU-vid!

Not "because he wrote it". But even fans who knew nothing about "bookers" could tell the show suddenly got a lot worse for some reason(after he left).

@Bischoff Rulz RAW in 2000 was 💩 It was just "six-man matches", "ladder matches", 25 minute promos. The only reason it did good ratings(for a while) was because it was riding the wave of momentum. Nitro 2000 wasn't great. But at least they were trying something, even if it didn't always work. RAW 2000 was just cookie cutter crap.

@Bischoff Rulz RAW 2000 didn't hold up THEN. That's why the ratings started dropping slowly, then went into freefall.

@Bischoff Rulz Slight drop? Slight?🤣 And Nitro 2000 had multiple "creative teams". They changed the creative every couple of months. If you honestly think 2000 RAW was great, I'm sure you love the current AEW product too.

@@danielburger1775 the triple h vs rock feud in 2000 was fucking stale

He was paid handsomely. He doesn't need a job in wrestling anymore.

I think wrestling came to overrely on mystery, honestly.

@@brycemcneil4404 during the attitude era, I can maybe see that argument being made. But nowadays, there is very little. Where it does exist, it’s done by announcers and not the wrestlers.