Trish Stratus, Lita, Luna Vachon, Sherri Martell, Bull Nakano, Alundra Blaze, Beth Pheonix...so many better women wrestlers than the Bella's to do a biography on.
True but with the Bella's you have the Cena/Danielson connection. You have the Bella's "reality" show. We have all that. The names listed were more talented - but Bella's have sizzle, too
"They went back to their hotel room and they played wrestler and broke some stuff and decided wrestling was for them". Yep. That sounds just about right.
To be fair pretty sure that's how a lot of guys get started too haha. Though I imagine usually it's wrestling their siblings in the living room as kids, not in a hotel room as grown adults.
The funny thing is how they try to take credit for the womens revolution. The only contribution to that was being so bad that people wanted good female wrestlers in wwe.
They like to take credit for things they didn’t do and that’s insulting, AJ Lee, Jacqueline, Trish Stratus, Molly Holly, Victoria, Medusa, Jazz, Lita, Luna Vachon, Sherri Martel, Awesome Kong and Gail Kim, they have more credibility and talent.
WWE constantly trying to push the narrative that the Bella's were revolutionary is a joke... The Bella's used WWE's platform to move towards reality tv, but they gave nothing back to the wrestling business in the time they were there.
it's almost as comical as how revisionist history paints trish & lita's rivalry as some sort of trailblazing thing in women's wrestling despite the fact that both women did more than their fair share of bra & panties matches or mud wrestling just as much as the other women like sable did.
@@xsoultillerx they did. You are correct. They also headlined raw for a women’s championship and it was a great match, did cage matches with Victoria, street fights and more. It wasn’t perfect and they looked great in the bikinis etc, but those girls could put on a hell of a match, again along with Victoria, Molly Holly and even Jazz for the time she was there.
I know this is TNA but the only women's angle or rivalry that ever got me interested was Gail Kim vs Awesome Kong. It was the only one in my memory that wasn't treated like a joke.
@@chriskay1449 lol, what a white knight, ur mama would be proud, you can even have an extra glass of milk with chocolate chip cookies Women's PPV didn't happen again, because it's a horrible fucking sell and only a few amount of sane people would decide to actually go through 3-4 hours of it (not including kids and angsty lgbtq+ teenagers)
Because women wrestling doesn’t draw just like the WNBA who losing 10 Million a year and any other women “sport” in the world! The only ppl who loves women wrestling are guys who go “pleasure themselves” thinking about these “wrestlers”. Give the women its own show and watch it bomb
The most infuriating thing to me is whenever the Bella’s try to act as if they were responsible for the “woman’s revolution”. They were part of problem with the womens division and when Nxt started treating the women with respect and letting them actually be wrestlers, the Bella’s step in and go “oh yeah this all because of us and us fighting for women’s wrestling”.
They were opportunists. Who took advantage of every opportunity. It's like Stephanie McMahon taking credit for it when she was around when everything was about puppies
Totally agree. The entire Give Divas A Chance hashtag was for Paige, and the women like her who could actually work, and WWE has completely rewrote history with the narrative like the fan base wanted to see more Bella Twin matches.
Exactly. Same lets delete the past *we* are the ones that did it bs. Any of us who have been around know they didnt start shit, they werent the ones who knocked down the door or any of this other feminist trash peddled these days. AJ Lee was killing it just prior to the "womens revolution" and didnt not a single person say shit about it but ohh here come the twins oh yeah they are the *ones* to LEAD the revolution fuck outta here.
What annoyed me was how their brother and others think the Bellas just came in WWE and changed the game for women in wrestling. No, the hell they didn't. We had many women long before them who did that. And if you don't know that, then you don't know anything about wrestling.
No she did not. The "give diva a chance" movement started the night they said it did after the match they did. AJ was long gone from the company by that time and in fact, did not utter one word ewhen that movement becamse a thing on Twitter. The only one re-writing things is you. AJ marks need to stop lying.
Not really. It was Paige and Emma who had great matches in NXT, but on Raw ended up getting like 30 second matches. AJ however did show that the women can be a focal point of a show when she was GM and getting multiple segments a night.
@@JT7Blu Paige and Emma came after AJ and Kaitlyn had a few great matches but they aren't ever mentioned. See AJ's winning championship match for reference. Also Nattie and Aj put on a few bangers on the main roster too.
@@chriskay1449 lol no. The fans started give divas a chance and it was mainly about Emma being misused. Only AJ and Emma had the guts to tweet give divas a chance around that time. The bellas hijacked it later and made it about themselves.
Bellas are hella over with females, and it's telling that only basement-dwelling male wrestling fans have a problem with this biography. Unfortunately even though I like his podcast, Jim Cornette applies to that label, too. Sometimes the irrational hate for something females like in the wrestling industry is off-putting by people in the wrestling community... they're just girls. They don't bite, lol.
WWC 2005-2012, IWA PR 2005 till closure(no women's division when it opened back up). CMLL has a good one too, from 1992 to even now, if you can tolerate 3 on 3 two out of three fall tercias matches.
@@81rbutler that's a bunch a bull. Listen to the crowd when the Knockouts are in the ring now. Audience is dead. Nobody gives a damn. It's the bathroom break match.... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-TEqyTYVZ25M.html Listen to that crowd. This isn't a pay per view. This isn't the show opener. This isn't the main event. This is a midcard match on a weekday taping. This old knockouts Division didn't fill time with bathroom break matches. They put on a show and they were over with the crowd as performers.
@@michaelcowling9928 Let's be fair though. The crowd in Impact these days is dead almost all the time. Because there barely is a crowd. I've watched a lot of Impact lately and it barely sounds like there's 10 people in attendance. Far cry from the Asylum and Impact Zone days when Impact had probably the loudest and rowdiest crowd in the business. The Knockout division is getting back up there but the issue is it lacks depth, there's really only 4 people in it at the top level and ones basically retired and the other is still kind of green and awkward. If Tessa comes back and they sign Mandy Rose then I can see the Knockouts being back on top for sure.
they was big only in the wrstling world, strictly wrestling only audience. But the Bella's u can compare to stacy keibler with mainstream audiences, kind of like john cena
Of those names only Lita, Michelle McCool and Mickie James would probably have enough material for a Biography on A&E. The others either weren't in WWE long enough or not ultimately over enough to do anything with aside from those 3 and Trish Stratus. McCool being married to Undertaker gives her a nice side story for a Biography of how they met in the WWE and all about that Chuck Palumbo storyline where he was a Taker-wannabe and abused Michelle (kayfabe) and Michelle McCool got to physically humiliate him at the end (before he joined 'Billy and Chuck' the gay tag team). Lita has her rivalry with Trish as does Mickie James so they would be better-suited for the Rivalries on A&E. Not many other women aside from those 4 you can really do anything else with who aren't active wrestlers in the WWE. Chyna? But would they really cover Chyna??
@@teecakes all very true and valid points made. I highly doubt HHH would allow them to do Chyna. Stephanie was asked if she’d ever be inducted and she said yeah one day but I don’t see it happening anytime soon. I hope I’m wrong though. Are you on twitter by chance?
For the luv of god, of all the female wrestlers to do a bio on. How about Sherri Martel, Wendi Richter or Madusa. Just looking at this show tells me just how little the Bella twins have done in pro wrestling
Exactly! I hated them when they first showed up doing that twin magic bit. It was used weekly on Smackdown to Victoria making her lose. She got tired of it and surprised everyone by announcing she was quitting at the end of one show. I remember JR being really surprised by her announcing it. She started later that she going into MMA, but got a contract with TNA who treated her a hell of a lot better that WWE did. The Bellas? They left for awhile, I didn't care. Then they came back with only a bit of improvement. When they were announced at Wrestlemania for going into the Hall of Fame the crowds really booed them. I bet they didn't mention that parted ways with the WWE and wanted to make a deal with Tony Khan. Last I heard they were referring to themselves as something else, but not the Bellas. Guess that deal fell through.
Jim: "What are they gonna cover for two hours on Sable?" That's easy. First hour the left breast, second hour the right one. Add in a few seconds about marrying Brock Lesnar at the end, and that's her entire career.
When I saw that the Bellas were getting a Biography on A&E, l shook my head and said, "WHAT THE HELL?" This was a slap in the face and straight disrespect to Real Wrestlers Like Wendi Richter, Sherri Martel, Leilani Kai, Madusa, Luna Vachon, Jacqueline, Trish Stratus, Jazz, Lita, Ivory, Victoria, etc.
I disagree that the Bellas are bigger stars than Sunny or Sable or pretty much any of the women from the Attitude Era. Yeah they have their own show but it isn't pulling in massive ratings, I am seeing less than 500 000 per episode in season 6. They are also on when Raw and Smackdown are struggling and getting 1/3 to 1/2 the ratings when Raw was hot. When Raw was pulling 4-5 million a week and Sable or Trish or Lita were on it, they were hitting a much larger audience and doing a lot of stuff so I would say they were the bigger than the Bellas, wwe just promoted the Bellas better. And as for being equal and getting more time and all that, they are not - which diva pulled in the ratings, shirt sales, etc of Cena, Orton, Edge or most of the guys? If most of the divas were guys, they would be lower to midcard acts, that's why you don't get more time and are not equal. When someone breaks though like Lynch, they get pushed but you still need people to work with which holds everyone down. Learn to work better and people will watch, they sure did with TNA.
I'm laughing out loud at when Jim says only 3 men in the world could make it to the 15-minute mark. I'm at the 30-minute mark and whoa it is rough, lol. I told myself I wanted to watch all of the biographies this year, but I don't know if I can get through this one. As teenagers they said, they had to throw their Dad out of the family home. Mom was upset, but they had to call the police and kick Dad out. Then I think later they showed a picture of their Dad posing with them as Hooters waitresses.
"They work like a guy" Go all the way back to 1939 when Strangler Lewis told Mae Young, "I don't like lady wrestling, women belong at home....but you were born to be a wrestler".
rough childhood lol....they were specially trained and yet for ten years they never learned one new move...doing their simultaneous flip out of the ring was their big move...the absolute queens of the botches...being twins was supposed to be the novelty but wore off quickly due to their lack of talent...and they talk like they don't know they were junk
This is the smartest take I’ve ever heard from Brian. Yes, yes, yes! We don’t actually care about womens wrestling. Have one promotion, and stay outta the way.
I'm thinking Brian just has the hots for the Bellas. I'm with Jim. The Bella Twins is something that should have never happened and continuing to watch them on any WWE programming of any sort is just affirming that you're alright with the WWE bringing in and pushing two twin barbie dolls in favor of wrestling hopefuls. Do not ever validate the Bellas. That's my stance.
So true about Brian Last. Did you hear his comment about DX and comparing their upcoming bio to the Bella's? Fuck outta here Brian. DX WAS over. The Bella's not so much.
It is a completely ignorant stance and proves you did not watch the documentary at all. First, both of them grew up playing sports and were athletes. They actually wanted to wrestle and the company kept giving the women carp to eat. They were the ones who wanted to train more and the company said no. To call them barbie dolls and say they never should have happened proves you have no clue who they really are at all. What should not be validated is your stupid post.
That’s the case for most of the women wrestlers. The neck beards just wanna f**k them it’s not because their good wrestlers. U have a few like 5 in the entire business that’s it
@@chriskay1449 Brie or Nikki (whichever one) didn't know Vader who Vader was and talked about how she could not wait to see him speak at the HoF.🙄 I find it hard to believe they were ever true students or fans of wrestling.
"Not every place needs a women's division." What lol I think if you handle it like the KO division, smaller group, but slot them in the right positions, it makes them more impactful and allows the right players to get the right time instead of spreading a division thin and girls who aren't ready exposing themselves and making all of them look bad. I think NXT currently (despite how piss poor the booking is) does this correctly; a good 70/30 split with women also sprinkled into other segments. Throwing all the best of the best in one promotion does nothing for those girls, we all know they won't get the funding or support and if it flops, they flop because of it.
Why dont WWE do bios on other women why is it just 2 or 3, why not a bio of Lita, Mickie, Victoria, Michelle McCool, Beth Phoneix. These women were stars around the same time frame and bigger.
For the last 100 years the prime directive of professional wrestling has been believability - everything done in the ring should look like genuine violent combat. I'm in my 50's and I live in Calgary and I've seen everyone from the young Dynamite Kid to Bret Hart and Chris Benoit to Owen Hart and Davey Boy Smith wrestle live in-person so maybe I'm spoiled but I have NEVER EVER seen anything less believable in a wrestling match than stick-thin 90lb Brie Bella rearing back like Roman Reigns and bellowing "Brie Mode" like it summons Hulk-like superpower before she mounts a supposed ass-kicking offense. That is PURE COMEDY and one of the most unrealistic things I've ever seen repeated in a WWE ring over the last 35+ years. Nevermind the fact that "Brie Mode" was first used to describe an extreme level of drunkeness including projectile vomiting regularly achieved by Brie Bella when out with her friends. So on Total Divas Brie Mode means being a sloppy drunk but in the ring it means suddenly harnessing Hulk-like power? It's stupid. It's confusing. It's pure unintentional comedy and it's the most unrealistic thing I've ever seen in a WWE ring. Lou Albano blading right on camera is more believable than Brie Mode. The Bellas Biography was a total cringefest. They genuinely think they revolutionized the wrestling business. 🤣 😆🤣😂. It's sad that their two positions on the roster didn't go to women who grew up wanting to be wrestlers, trained for it, and paid their dues for years with blood sweat and tears. They got the job for being...twins.
"Give women a chance" we did, you stunk up the place, funniest thing is the women who were given a platform to main event, instead of trying to do their own unique feminine magic, were trying really hard to impersonate the guys and clearly that doesn't draw, even Chyna, who more masculine than some of the guys she wrestled and couldn't wrestle her way out of a paper bag understood this.
@@wilcee238 as far as pop culture in that time period, Stacy Keibler was, ask anybody on the street today you'll see. But as far as the the strictly-wrestling-only audience, those 3 were huge yes
I gotta be honest Brian really hurt his credibility in this video. HBK had multiple legendary matches, feuds and angles. Shawn’s biography will clearly be better
I'm still to this day trying to figure out how the Bella twins are even in the hall of fame And some of the legends that were wrestling before these girls were even born came after What did they do How are they even getting a legendary biography It's almost like you see Charlotte flair she's got her own coming out And so does page What's up with WWE now you only have to wrestle for a couple years now and you're considered a legend😂
Paige, sunny, Lita, Trish, chyna, stacy keebler, mae young, , luna, fabulous moolah. Charlotte's flair would be 2 hours of Vince locking boot and rick begging him to give his daughter a job.
I would like to see a Stardom-type promotion in North America. If Japan's population of 137 mil, can sustain it, then 375 mil population of N/A with a greater international reach should be able to be so too. [But no WWE involvement please]
Let's be honest. Women's wrestling started to turn around when we had Trish, Lita, Ivory, Victoria, and Jackie. When they left and the Bella came on the scene we went from Women's wrestling to Divas. Womens wrestling didn't start to become something special again until Charlotte, Bailey, Sasha, and Becky came on the scene
We get it Brian your surrounded by women so your SAWFT. To point out the Bellas are bigger stars then Sunny and Sable is just ridiculous EVEN WITH their current show. I swear Last is almost as hard to listen to as Disco is.
@Tim J Brian is from my town Long Beach, his father went to school with Linda McMahon. So he does know ALOT of ppl. I just hate when Disco talks over Konnan and I really hate it when Brian does it to Jim
AJ Lee should really get most of the credit for give women a chance and womens revolution movements actually gaining traction. She was one of the few women on the roster that fans actually wanted to see more of in the ring, and the bellas were definitely not among that group. They just got to benefit from AJ leaving WWE because of the CM Punk drama. They then became the de facto it girls (chosen by Vince and Johnny ace, we know why) who got to take credit for the movement 🙄 “Talent is not sexually transmitted”
@@Dazzsum True. Actually the give divas a chance tweets were mainly about how poorly Emma was treated. Aj and Emma were the only ones to tweet about it when it first trended, and Aj directly called out Stephanie after her hypocritical tweet about equal pay.
@@eiephants Wrong. That hastag was about the 30 sevcond match and had nothing to do with Emma specifically. AJ's tweet was largely ignored and she never said one dam,n word when the hastag started.
They were NEVER wrestlers. They were amateur actors who fell ass-backwards into the WWE. I skipped this episode. They had a gimmick (twins) and a look. That's it. I'm not a fan of Rhonda Rhousey, but her story puts theirs to shame. What was the point of this episode? Hell, man, Becky Lynch does more in one episode of Raw than they did in their whole careers in terms of watchability.
When it comes to women's wrestling there's also a good reason some of the best female wrestlers all came up for the most part wrestling against the men. Because it's a higher quality of competition. Tessa Blanchard, Jordynne Grace, Asuka, Bea Priestly, Toni Storm, Becky Lynch etc all trained mostly against guys and also have wrestled men. Unless you have a dedicated women's promotion where the training csn be specialised and you're regular competing against the very best there is to offer then women's wrestling will always be worse. I'm glad Intergender matches are gradually coming back into the mainstream because we actually get to see some of the women having incredible matches. Tessa Blanchard had probably one of the best feuds of the past 5 years in Impact with Sami Callihan, every one of their matches was fantastic and they even won match of the year. To be fair though Sami won it 3 years running so he probably had a hand in carrying the feud at times for sure.
Listening to Brian talk up for Bella’s like it ever meant anything and then to say that it was just as popular as Booker T’s biography is such BS, Booker T is better then that. I don’t know Brian’s issue is with Booker, but to consider it the same is insulting.
Here's a quick list of Female Wrestlers they could do: Beth Pheonix, Lita, Trish Stratus, Madusa, Sherri Martel, Jacholyne, Ivory, Melina? Tbh Melina just popped into my head while trying to come up with names
Madusa would be an obvious choice, except she's still in the business. EDIT Actually they're doing Rey Mysterio, so maybe being retired from the ring isn't a rule.
Nikki had the best forearm since Misawa (Seriously tho, as much as I disliked the Bella’s, I have to give Nikki props for actually trying. She had some good matches, Brie was just bad)
Women's wrestling doesn't get ratings!! Pro Wrestling with SOME women's wrestling and some sexy valets and dancers makes the best ratings that's how it was done at the peak of the attitude era and it worked!!
Somebody who finally understands. One of the whole selling points of wrestling is that the wrestlers are men who could beat the sh*t out of you. Stan Hansen, JBL, Jake Roberts, Nash, Andre, Brett, Austin, etc, etc. Andy Kaufman figured this out decades ago. Women's wrestling is a sexual fetish. If you've convinced yourself that it's the same level as men's then you're delusional and probably need laid.
Wrong, Since 2015 when WWE got serious about womens wresting, the womens segments were consistently the highest rated segments on Monday Night Raw. Congrats on your amazing level of ignorance.
"the bellas are bigger stars than sunny and sable" millions of people were watching when sunny and sable were big. how many people were tuning in when the Bellas were on?
@@richardstephens5570 as opposed to n owaday when noone is tuning in to see anyone because not a single wrestler who debuted in the past decade is anyone anyone outside of the extremely small dedicated fanbase can name
Trish, Lita, Mickie James, Chyna, Beth Phoenix, Ivory, Molly Holly, Jacqueline, etc all deserved a bio before these twits Even Sasha Banks and Naomi got storylines that could make for an hour worthy bio but they chose the ones who slept their way to the top and held back almost every talent during their run. If A&E doesn't do one on people like Gail Kim or Awesome Kong then it wont get done
Chyna...Trish Stratus...Stacy Keibler...Mickie James...Melina just to name a few...I can't comment on the Bella Twins as I haven't watched wwe like I use to
The Bella twins were hot and every guy's dream about a three some but wrestlers they are not. And now, with the work they got done they aren't even hot.
@The Outsider she was a Nitro girl during the Monday Night Wars and became a manager for the lower card WCW wrestlers. She has a better resume than the Bellas.
I never understood the draw of the Bella Twins. They weren’t Trish Stratus hot or Ivory talented but got treated like (ironically enough) the female Cena and Bryan.
I'm sry with all true legendary women wrestlers they chose these two why???? These two couldn't even shine boots of women like Luna Vachon, Trish, Lita, Mickie James, Alundra, Beth Phoenix, Gail Kim, hell I'm not even sure their even near the level of Wendy Richter (late 80's for you kids under fourty Google her)....
What female star other than Trish Stratus has the company produced in the past 20 years? Seriously, he is asking that? I don't know, maybe he's been under a rock and he hasn't heard of LITA. Also Victoria and Beth Phoenix qualify as good wrestlers who had an impact. Mickie James and Melina are still somewhat active so it may not be time for their documentary yet. Maybe they could make one about Jacqueline, she was the first women's champion since Madusa/ Alundra Blayze threw the title into the trash on Nitro back in 95. Other than that, I can't think of anyone from the divas era that would be worth a documentary. Before that there would be Wendy Richter, Cherri Martel or Rockin Robin.
out of all of those names, nobody would want to watch a Biography on anybody except maybe Lita and Mickie James. Victoria-- not over enough. Beth Phoenix-- not active for very long in the WWE. Melina-- same. Jacqueline-- not over enough (unfortunately since she was awesome). Madusa did one thing on WCW, I don't think a 1 minute spot where she throws her title in the trash on live tv is worthy of a 2-hour documentary. The Bellas have name recognition. Trish Stratus and Lita are household names for any wrestling fan, not just female wrestling fans (who would be the only type of fans who would know the names of any of the other womens' wrestlers you listed). It's harder than you think to pick a subject for an A&E Biography. They picked The Bellas, Stephanie McMahon and probably will do Lita and Trish because those are the major, non-controversial top stars EVERYONE knows. They could do Chyna if they don't mind the horrible ending of her story/career/life. They could do Paige and AJ Lee but honestly it would be hard to stretch their runs out for a 2-hour documentary, they each were in the company as active wrestlers for like 5 years apiece. But that is about the level of Superstar you need to be for a Biography, and almost none of the ladies you listed make that cut. Natalya, for example, has a long history with the WWE but nobody would watch her documentary (same as Jacqueline basically).
@@teecakes Paige already has a documentary and a movie about her and AJ Lee is absolutely impossible because she and her husband are very resentful towards WWE, especially Punk. I don't think he wants anything to do with HHH and Stephanie (even less than with Vince) and I believe she wouldn't do anything either because it's not worth the trouble.
Facts. It’s a shame she didn’t stick around longer because of the CM Punk drama, otherwise I have no doubt she’d be one of the most revered womens wrestlers ever.
Yes because she wasn't. AJ was long gone from the company by the time that 30 second match happened that triggered "Give the Divas a Chance" on Twitter. AJ did not do squat.
No one said "give the Bella's a chance" SMFH they were the type of woman wrestling that was unwatchable. It was Banks, Flair, Lynch, and other NXT woman that were up and coming that we wanted to see and still do. They were so bad that woman wrestling had no where else to go but up....ugh
This made me go back and search for the RU-vid about Nikki & Vader. "SHE DOESN’T KNOW HE'S DEAD???!!!" Still might be the best Cornette podcast. And still gets me laughing in tears. 😂🤣😂
