Jim Cornette's Montreal Deep Dive Omnibus 

And you know like I just like feel so bad you know like

Double down on taking a shot every time Cornette says some for of the word "fuck" and you'll be dead in 3 words.

Take a shot every time Russo says ''bro''

Worse than my teenage daughter 🤦‍♂️

Take a shot everytime Cornette clears his throat or coughs/hacks. Make sure the will is updated 😵🪦⚰️⚱️👻💀

Honestly. I never watched wrestling growing up. Now after coming across Cornette's podcast I find myself watching wrestling from the time periods he talks about and it's amazing knowing what went on behind the curtain.

I hate wrestling. I’m 40 and always mocked the fans. The other day someone said Trump fans are trying to maintain kayfabe even though they know hes a heel. I had to look those terms up. Now I’m a talk is jericho fan, i saw all the episodes of dark side, its a rabbit hole for sure

I'm new to wrestling & I love these podcasts.

I love pile drivers.

That's so fukn awesome to hear. Holy shit. I thought there was no way people who weren't fans of wrestling would ever become fans anymore.

I think this was before Jim had his falling out with Dave

@@CheezyBallsTrippait was

yeah check the date...this was way before he started sucking off Tony, Kenny and the Bucks for their weekly AEW shows, he starts falling out with Meltzer about the end to middle of the next year when Meltzers bias is too strong to ignore for Corny

OK you really gotta understand this Jim…… How are any of us stampede wrestling hard-core like the Stiff Von Eric’s and Bill Watts realistic wrestling, and not love Brett Hart! He will drop the undertaker undertaker will drop it to Shawn Michaels problem solved!!! This is the one and only time I will say this because I love Jim Cornette BUT fuck you, Jim!

@@lillagahnavich7700 Meltzer was already praising Kenny and The Bucks big time in NJPW. I think it's more about AEW. AEW literally ruined Corny. I don't care that he hates AEW, I expected he would, but it's all he ever talks about now. Just constant bitching and moaning about the same topic over and over. And if anyone likes that product then he bitches about them too. Each video becomes more and more unwatchable. I checked out a video that according to its title was supposed to be him having a watchalong of an old Royal Rumble... a 3.5 hour video and no kidding, for the first 2 hours HE BITCHED ABOUT AEW! It's sad.

he may very well be Americas best pure wrestling historian

It seriously is. What's even worse is how Vince sabotaged Bret's character on the way out.

You know what? You are correct in your statement. It never dawned on me until reading your comment.

@@PopOutPaulie And Bischoff sabotaging Bret's WCW career as well.

its more tragic tho

I honestly think what coulda happened was Corny actually did come up with a finish as a double cross and it stuck with Vince. Then later Hunter says his whole, 'if he doesn't wanna do business, well make him' as a response to what they should do as the finish... The story according to Shawn and HHH and Vince. I doubt Russo has anything to do with it. I'm sure once Hunter added his input, Vince was like.... Damn it, we're doing it. We're fuc*#ng doing it!!!

thats not a true reflection of what happend,im a big jc fan but he has a one sided view of history most of the time and also there is evidence of him flip flopping on occasion as well.yes years later wcw would go under and so on and so forth but thats buisness in genral,some others would add that the attitude era brought about the biggest success wwf had,with austin,the rock and such and took buisness to the greatest heights its seen! granted its severly downturned these days but again that could have and has happend before multiple times and long before montreal!As for the deaths tragic but again jim beats on about owens death and how he should never have been up there when he himself took massive risks in scaffold match's in jcp! could have easily died in the one where wrecked his knee but did it willingly and not just for the ppv's im pretty sure it was on the bash and on the subsuqent bash tours they did as well! montreal changed the buisness no doubt,but it certainly never went to hell,that come a good decade after

Yeah, my bad, That was my poor interpretation of it all.

@@marceledel8619 i dont think its a poor interpritation, everything you said is true,it just didnt happen because of or following montreal like jim thinks it did! sure for jim and traditional followers of wrestleing it may seem that way but the truth is outside the bubble society was well on the way to being edgy,gritty,full of attitude and everything else wrestling went on to be, the same year montreal happend a white guy from michigan with blonde hair was propelled to international stardom with the slim shady album,just to give a bit of persepctive to things! i love jim he's a smart,funny and talented guy and you dont have to agree 100% with someone to enjoy there work.

Who?! Owen and Doink?

It kickstarted the start of the best era of wrestling (1998-2007) and made Mr McMahon the greatest villain and helped Austin become the wrestler of the decade

eat your own fanny!

Damn too many times a week i wake up and he's STILL speaking. TOTALLY worth listening

Same... it's rare I can listen to someone talk for 2+ hours. Corney always keeps it entertaining though, he definitely has the gift for gab.

Him and Joe Rogan

I agree

I wanna hear him read the Bible

Absolutely right

He seemed like one of the only people in the business who made it to those heights and didn’t get corrupted by it. He seemed like a legitimately good dude who stayed humble and just wanted to provide for his family. Wish he could’ve been with us for longer.

@@thegamemole3941 Couldn't agree more. His death will be etched in my memory forever. The tragedy of the Hart family is overwhelming and the more I learn about him as a man instead of a public figure the more I realize how good of a person he is. Besides his stone cold botch which was an accident I haven't seen anyone have a bad word to say about him. Just a really solid dude dedicated to his family.

We would have been happy to have him as a firefighter in our hometown of Calgary, Alberta, Canada, Homebase of the legendary "Stu Hart's Wrestling Dungeon" and all its legendary graduates! 🇨🇦🍁🇨🇦

funny bret wanted to be a firefighter before he became a wrestler and only got in the ring to help his dad's promotion. I always thing how incredible Owen would've been in the ring in '99 with Benoit, Guerrero, Malenko, Jericho. When they finally moved away from huge guys and on to great in-ring workers. Imagine the matches he could've had with those guys

How is he not? I didn't know that!

He is a library of wrestling. He lives , breathes, eats and shits wrestling. Can't believe he ain't in the hall of Fame

wwe hof aint worth shit

Trust me, Jim don’t care about being in the wwe hof. Lol he’s got no problem not being in it

@@badmoon710 would he enjoy it? Absolutely. Would he prefer it be him and the midnights? Positively. Does he lose sleep over it? No

Caitlyn Jenner will have her first period before that happens.

@@Charsi_Escobar Nah. He'll get there. But he will be long gone when it happens.

He's gotta endorse Trump first :)

@@Charsi_Escobar 😂

Just for the speech

Same here lol

Yup. I stopped in 2009 when Jeff left and the pg era went to shit. I came back because he returned, and it turns out I didn’t miss much in between.

@@flameblade5127 '13 is a really good year. That's about all ya missed.

Yep. Cornette is top shelf. Found him again in 2019 on a trip to Florida.

I liked 06-09 too

I've gotta admit: i Would liked to have seen Jim Cornette with that WCW Title over his shoulder.

Until he talks about politics and completely ignores the other guy touching kids

@@maxwelljacobfreedom another embarrassing comment from you on another Cornette video. Your obsession is equally humiliating. Just WOW.

I could listen to him on any topic except politics. Dude has true TDS.

@@heathmcrigsby lol yup. It seems hard for some to shake!!

I believe he got the idea from a couple of matches he worked.

I think this was one of the last times they were publicly cordial to each other, because the DSOTR that covered Montreal was aired around the same time the rift over AEW and The Elite was starting to widen.

Watch the Dark Side of the Ring on Owen. He was crying....sad stuff.

@@sese6227 owen was supposed to get the game gimmick and be the main heel of the wwf along with triple h who was going to be the cerebal assasin gimmick but owen ended up dying..owen was supposed to come off down and then do a work shoot promo about how hes gonna game everyone...unfortunately he passed before that....

Corny

Jim cared and was friends with a lot of these guys. Bobby Eaton was a really good guy by all accounts and hearing him talk about Mr. Eaton almost brought me to tears.

Jim managed Owen you travel with the man become friends plus Owen was liked he'll loved by all the boys he!l I cried I was 14 but they were buds

Taker made the most sense. But they didn't do it.

Shame it couldnt have been Bret dropping the title to Austin at Mania 14.

would have been better than the boring fast count match

So true----it's 2022 and im still binging on old-school WWE stuff as if it happened yesterday. It doesn't get old.

Its okay. Goldberg was over as hell, even to my WWF/E fan friends.

Boy Goldberg was over as hell! You had the coolest shirt.. 3 shirts that was cool.. Stone Cold, NWO and Goldberg..

@@kenrickeason mick foley destroyed my elementary school

At that time, you did got go wrong with Goldberg

@@ukrbs06 Yes he did. To serious fans, Goldberg was a cheap Austin knock-off.

It's a compilation of previous podcasts.

It's a compilation of three separate podcasts...

John Doe as someone who listens to podcasts at work to stave off boredom, I quite enjoy a marathon podcast

Omnibus was the key term.

Do you know what an omnibus is?

Stephen Trout Cornette’s reasoning to Foley on why he should come back was perfect, reminding him that he walked out because a multi millionaire owner screwed a star wrestler who was going from making $1.5 million a year to $2.5 million and another star making $750K a year participated in it. So by walking out and showing solidarity, were either of those two guys going to give Foley any of that money? And as Cornette said - he was back the next night. Also he was dead on in saying Foley was right if this were a face vs heel situation...but this was a heel program. There were no babyfaces.

gggggChristopher Gargaro gggghhggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg

@Lafe Denton This isn't about bravery though, this is about perceiving a wrong and trying to do right, when the reality of the situation was that everything was wrong and no right could be done.

@@christophergargaro959 Hitman was a face in Canada, heel in the states. HBK was a heel in Canada, face in the states, and it was QUITE clear at the time. (Shawn sticking the Canadian flag in his nose, wiping his butt with it, etc.)

@@christophergargaro959 Cornette should be interpreted as an unreliable narrator (like every other wrestling personality) and not the word of God. He has had a lot of time to consider the "facts" in light of history and how to paint a positive image of himself.

Shut the f up.. You shit head

Or when Jim invokes Heenan to get Brian to invoke Gorilla Monsoon and his various "will you stop!" reactions.

I almost forgot uncle Dave was on the podcast, thought I was extra extra high.

4 years ago?

He didn't mean that he was taking wrestling too serious, he meant that he was taking life too seriously.

@@wingerding he literally followed up with 'he took himself and the business too seriously".

@@JennaLeigh though jim would say on a more recent ep that bret was in the right to take the business seriously after watching some of his matches from his A&E bio

@@UltimateSushiLord definitely! I remember hearing Cornette say that he used to think Bret took it too seriously, now he finds it refreshing.

Bret took it pretty serious. The thing I've heard from more than one source: "Bret is a mark for himself."

@Cas van der Wal Vince is obsessed with Size, and after the steroid trial, Nash was still 320.

They say when Diesel found out he was getting the strap he tore his quad

To be fair, Diesel didn't exactly have a plethora of heels to go up against either. I'm not saying he was a great champ, by any means, but the company as a whole, at that time, was floundering.

@@sese6227 I still find it funny that instead of building Bulldog up to main event level to be a viable opponent for Diesel they gave Diesel a losing streak to make it look like a mid carder could beat him, genius level booking >.>

Diesel killed Diesel

He did draw Bret/Shawn fight with clump of hair in hand in a previous episode.

Da Vinci? Really

Who pulls hair? Hookers and bitches. Bret had an unfair advantage in a hair pulling fight by having the greasiest fucking hair in the history of Pro wrestling. You couldn't get any grip on that wet wet headed stringy crap.

@@mrrickson3571 LOL hookers and bitches lol. 😂👍

Yeah this artist sucks. He’s the original artist I preferred all the different art.

@Mike Jones 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 sure thing pal

Lol so they're only good when you don't listen to them very closely? 🤣

Haha.....listened to 10 hours of Corny while working dish. Great thing to listen to while working 😊

@@wingerding lol just seeing this. No not at all lol I listen to them intently now, even at home, work, in the car or grocery store lol just first getting into him and his episodes are daunting

@@jammiebooker6489 i literally listen to each show of the week now at work, makes me actually look forward to certain days

It's like the old days listening round the wireless. Jim deserves full attention

Douglas Jarnagan I believe McMahon wanted the whole thing to happen and his goal was to spite Bret Hart.

Fnord Fnordington Trump is President and the dems don’t have a chance. Vince is rich from crappy wrestling. It is what it is.

@Fnord Fnordington Vince grew up in a trailer lmao

I mean he’s a billionaire for a reason so I guess he is a pretty astute businessman

@SlimBack121 So Bret is supposed to drop the belt in Canada right before leaving for the competition? Any wrestler that would do such a thing is insane. All of the wrestling purists can talk about the 'time honored tradition', but people that say that don't understand why there are creative control clauses in wrestling contracts. It is so the wrestler's image isn't damaged on their way out the door. Bret tried to present Vince with a solution to dropping the title, but Vince declined because he was too frightened about Eric Bischoff announcing on live TV that the current WWF Champion had signed with WCW. It had nothing to do with Bret not wanting to do the right thing. The entire situation was Vince allowing for a bad situation to unfold and then becoming so paranoid with the situation that he felt he had to either damage Hart's character or publicly embarrass Hart to get him out of that situation.

Definitely. You know the second Jim threw it out, Vince IMMEDIATELY started planning it out but had to take it off the table in front of the booking committee for show.

Well no shit. He didn't just think up the exact same idea on his own a week later...

Awwwww SONOFABITCH

Whether Cornette floated the idea or not, McMahon had the last decision whether to do it.this whole situation could've been avoided had McMahon just asked Bret to sign a document stating he wouldn't take the WWF title belt onto nitro or get sued for 7 billion lol

Jim Draven It’s not that simple.Ted Turner, the opposition was a billionaire and a contract doesn’t mean shit and if you trusted the opponent the only opponent that is,Then you and the business will be in their hands.WCW takes Bret Hart and doesn’t do shit with him other than some cheating victories that meant nothing.

Who's that Pokemon??!

I remember when Shawn came out on Confidential admitting he was on it, and I was shocked. Something new comes up all of the time, now we find out it was Cornette's idea. Wow!

Just like the end to the 1979 Daytona 500. Opened people's eyes back up to the sport

That's how I see it now and that's how I saw it at the time. We've all heard that Brett's feelings were hurt but good Lord he made a lot of money in WCW.

It was all a work. No idea why Jim won’t admit it. Brett knew.

@@MM-qi5mk damn for real, how do you know it was a work

@@MM-qi5mk Bret knew - Has never said anything about it being a work HBK knew - Has never said it was a work HHH knew - Has never said it was a work Hebner knew - Has never said it was a work Everybody in the entire WWF - has never said it was a work Some idiot on RU-vid - duh it's a work, you're all being worked, I am so smart, S-M-R-T, I mean, S-M-A-R-T

There still are some good stories with good people out there after all ! 💪

Yup. East & West Berlin with their joint move, The Wall Breaker.

Sounds like a donut

@@golfdadontherampageiv4163 I was thinking bagels.

@@golfdadontherampageiv4163 It is a Donut without the hole 😄 filled with Marmelade

@@golfdadontherampageiv4163 underrated joke

Cornette story has also stayed the most consistent

Here’s what happened. Vince had a problem, he asked a few people what they would do and they all said “just screw him” and after trying everything else Vince went with what he was advised. The people who claim they told Vince to screw Bret probably did, whilst being unaware Vince asked several people for ideas and they said the same basic idea, so they aren’t necessarily lying.

@@totallybored5526 I’ve always figured that Jim’s story happened, and McMahon disregarded it but Russo pushed it relentlessly and finally McMahon did it.

@@totallybored5526 Oh you were there?

According to the book Shawn wrote, it was HHH’s idea

The latter.

Maybe both? Lol!

I'm guessing the people who think it's a conspiracy don't like Jim's rationality and direct honesty.

Hell's yah brother! Better late than never!

Ryan Lewis I still got 20 likes. Blow me, Bozo

Sho Eskomania you’ve got 52 likes now. What are you going to spend them on?

@@nathankirby4612 your comment is golden. He was all bark, no bite.

@@nathankirby4612 if he got 57 likes and you got one (me), there must be alot of kids or brain dead people on here.

Yeah, except it's well documented that Shawn did have a knee injury and Jim let's personal animosity with Shawn cloud basic reasoning skills. People love to crap on Shawn relinquishing the belt, and these are usually the same people complaining WWE doesn't look after the health of their guys. He was injured. Could he have worked? Probably. Should he have? No!

@@batmanwins4584 funny how he managed to drop most of his titles without losing a match eh

@@Zeke1379 No, he didn't. He did not drop most of his titles without being best.

Shawn was a crybaby, and the back injury was exaggerated too.

Could have dropped it back to the Undertaker. Or Austin if he was back working at that point??

Bret basically did do that, stating he'd drop the belt to anyone in the company except for Shawn, going so far as to suggest dropping it to Brawler at MSG, Brawler had one a #1 contender battle royale for the next MSG show, after SS but before Bret left for WCW. Shawn wound up defending the belt against Brawler at MSG. I believe Bret's suggestions were Shamrock, Austin, Brawler or possibly Foley but the first 3 were definite suggestions.

Probably because Michaels didn't want to lose full stop.

Shawn Michaels vs Bret Hart was a bigger deal/draw match up

Taker was in the Kane/Paul Bearer storyline

@@WhiteBoy40s Adding Taker in that as triple threat would be a bigger draw. Especially since Taker was the top babyface at the time.

@@DUB_87 yeah he was but the storyline was Undertaker didnt want to fight Kane because that's his brother & he swore on his parents grave he wouldn't. So since Taker wouldn't fight Kane Paul Bearer had Kane attack random superstars each week which led to Kane vs Mankind at Survivor Series 97. With Kane busy Taker could've been put into the main event & won the title pinning HBK. Then after Bret leaves the December ppv could've been Taker defending against HBK ending in a double DQ due to Kane & DX which would be the reasoning for Taker & HBK to rematch at the 98 Rumble in a casket match. Then everything could play out as it did. HBK becomes champ again due to Kane, Kane sets the casket on fire giving Taker time off. Steve Austin wins the 98 Rumble match. WrestleMania 14 is still HBK vs Austin & Kane vs Undertaker.

What parts of his plan did they not do? I think he said Russo wasn't involved though.

@@wingerding they brought attention to the fact that this wasn’t how the match was supposed to finish, it exposed the business. They were supposed to call for the bell and get out of there immediately and go off the air.

@@RigbyismyFavCateverinstead of shutting the curtains they turned on the floodlights.

@@RigbyismyFavCatever I think that was probably Vince McMahon’s call. He probably didn’t trust Hebner to call for the bell.

Yep, and usually by those who aren't smart enough to understand his deep intellect and cultural reference

@@davidjames9014 hear hear good sir

Bret refused simply to lose in a situation that would diminish him as champion or as a Canadian hero, at no time did Bret refuse to do business at all. But when a story needs to outsell whatever other story is going on, controversy makes $. Thus, they allowed that part to fade out since no one involved was pushing that fact. Matter of fact, only Shawn specifically referenced not doing business... when he told Bret he would never put him over.

And, in Bret's book, he states that he told Vince that he would put over Austin, Undertaker, or Foley over IN Montreal. Then, to make a point, he stated that he would even put over the Brooklyn Brawler over for the title on Raw in the Garden (New York). But that he was NOT going to put over Shawn after all the shit Shawn had pulled previously.

Well, In Bret's own 1997 documentary Bret goes into a private meeting with Vince and basically tells him he would like to "get through today"( which means not lose the title) and FORFEIT the title the following night live in Ottawa. That right there should tell you Bret had NO INTENTIONS of letting anyone beat him. If Bret got his way, he was going to head to WCW having never been beaten for the WWF championship. Whatever way you wanna look at it, Bret was only looking out for himself. That whole scenario Bret came up with only benefits him and essentially screws over the rest of the WWF roster. Considering Bret was raised in the wrestling business and his father ran a promotion, it's strange that Bret of all people would be selfish to that degree.

@@aaronneville1164 the creative control in Brets contract gave him every right to refuse any stipulation they offered him. Vince had plenty of time and other conclusions to do with Bret and could have done easily. It was a cowardly act from Vince and did not need to go down the way it did.

@@only1icon1801 "Didn't need to go down the way it did"......couldn't agree more.....and the 2 people to blame are VINCE (for assuming Bret wouldn't be a huge mark for himself even on his way out, knowing Bret's personality for years) AND Bret Hart (for letting his pride, ego and personal feelings get in the way of simple wrestling business). "REASONABLE" creative control in no way equates to being able to "refuse any stipulation offered". Keep that in mind.....no case. The vast MAJORITY of those in the wrestling business who matter, are on record not faulting Vince at all for choosing to go the route he chose and do NOT sympathize with Bret Hart. Even the very few who did back then take exception to what Vince did, all would end up completely understanding Vince's situation and later agreeing with Vince. That is all the VALIDATION needed. Hell, there's even members of Bret's own FAMILY that don't agree with Bret in the situation and point to Bret's own ego costing him. Now that speaks volumes. Nuff Said

I'm not the only one who has been using the spare time to catch up on old Corny.

Lol did it continue to be pleasant? 🤣

It happened in 2020? Wow thx for verifying the year.

I think the term was "unsafe work environment", followed by Shawn throwing a clump of his own hair on Vince McMahon's desk...a present for Jim Cornette

The response should have been: "Well Shawn. Life is full of consequences. If you want to run your mouth and mess with other guys women, we can't baby-sit you 24/7. You are 0 for life in fights Shawn. You remember upstate new york? When you hit on that girl in that bar and the one soldier, not 19 marines like you tell people, that one soldier on his own kicked your ass in that parking lot and put you in the hospital? We gave you bulldog as a babysitter that night and you let him, the guy we gave you as a bodyguard, get so high at the bar that he couldn't even stand up let alone protect your dumb ass. We made a big investment in you and it isn't working out. You are a messed up pill-head and your not worth all the drama. Just go home and take that hobag sunny & her cuck boyfriend Candido with you." And for Bret: "Bret. Wrestling isn't real. This is a business. You are not really a world champion and these are not real fights in the ring. If you don't understand that, have your dad explain it to do you. We gave you everything you said you wanted and its not enough for you. And honestly Bret, we don't need hair-pulling girl fights in the locker room between main event guys. Either grow up or get out."

@@Jim-Tuner Daaaaaayum, son. There wouldn't be a burn ward big enough to treat that!

@@Jim-Tuner Who would you have on top afterwards? Not critizing but I can see why they perserveered with Shawn until 98 - not alot of prime top Talent available minus Taker and Austin and Owen.

Which is funny coz he risked getting an STI every time he banged Sunny

"Ya know"

Well no

Yessss

It was a better year for WCW

@@PGO_Gaming no it wasn't dumb fuck

@@A-L-o You are familiar with the term "83 Weeks" aren't you? That is the term designated for the consecutive time WCW led the WWF in ratings. It started in the summer of 96' and lasted until the spring of 98'. THAT INCLUDES ALL OF 1997. EVERY SINGLE WEEK OF 1997, THE WWF LOST THE RATINGS WAR.

@Fred Bizkit 1997 was a great year for wrestling fans, and the end of 97' was great for the WWF, but what wrestling fan doesn't know that WCW kicked their ass for almost two consecutive years? Can't make this stuff up.

You haven't thought this comment through.

Also 57 other people

Omg me as well. I listen to him everyday hours at a time

@@dont-say-zombie8550 It up to 89 now

He needs to make a history of wrestling documentary series and go through all his favourite things from his collection and some of his favourite wrestlers from all the different decades of wrestling and allow him to book random events ... I need more of his philosophies

@Jay T Not if you're under contract

They love to make that guy more than he really is

Tbf though it's plausible

5 months after you comment... Jim has a wrestling IQ. Period. Vince is 😡😡😡😡 obsessed with entertainment, trying to come out the good guy. 😵😵 Corny remembered when this screwjob sort of was done first, but this was wayyyyyy worse because of a dumbass calling for the bell. 🤦

No way would HHH have come up with that. I believe Corny 100% that it was his idea.

The thing is that in this day and time you can listen to cornee all day if you want to!

B1oodshot27 Vince is crazy which gives a person an advantage in a fight with someone who is sane

@@totallybored5526 Lol, only somebody who knows they don't have an advantage try to pull the "crazy" card. Crazy doesnt mean fuck all. We are all crazy ;)

Bret would have broken Vince. Bret would have broken anyone in the locker room aside from maybe Shamrock.

@@Zeke1379 and Taker lol.

Bret would’ve put hands and feet on Vince Vince is just big he’s not agile nor athletic like Bret

Funny hearing them talking to each other civilly!! Not like nowadays!!

@@mrkipling2201 I miss their friendship tbh.