Jim Ross shoots on Montreal screw job 

Agreed. It's incredible to think all that goes into this

agreed also, that's also due to how bad it is in comparison to the actual wrestling ability and all the flashing lights/gimmics which seems to be the main focus these days. My little kid bro watches modern day wwe.... I dug out all my old wwf video's from late 80's - 90's and now he watches all of those (thanks to the internet even he loves how technical the matches were compared to the modern day crap its turned into) such a shame

me too, the back stage old stories are fascinating because there seemed to be a to of drama.

couldn't agree more!

Mr. Chopsticks I thought I was the only one!

HAHA YOU MUST BE FORGETTING ABOUT MICHAEL COLE AND BYRON SAXTON!!!!!

+Vince McMahon .,😂😂😂😂😂😂

+Vince McMahon Maggle and Bryon Sexton

+Vince McMahon Oops i forgot we are in the Pg era...........

hmm... Close, but I'd have to go with Ventura/Monsoon. Ross/King is a very close second in my book.

Lol fr that would of been interesting

Awesome comment. That's exactly the kind of thing Vince McMahon would have wanted to do had Hart been leaving WCW for WWE instead.

JfnDWatchesVids It sounds like a good idea..but what would you do with the belt after that though? Have superstars fight for it? And couldn't Vince M sue you for saying the words "wwf" belt on another network or something. I suppose they could have just thrown into the garbage like wcw did with the wwf woman's title.

Vince knew he wouldn't show up with the belt. He had already sued and won for the Alundra Blaze showing a WWF logo on their program. He just did it as a fuck you to Bret for trying to stand up to him.

***** yes flair first appeared in wwe 9 9 1991.

Funnybones buck Newton not funny

Hahahaha I read that in JR's voice haha

Funnybones buck Newton I got an internal chuckle.

Yep.😂😂😂😂

Your too much😆😆

because there was wcw around. otherwise he would have silently acceptd it.

@@beasthuntersixsixsix6897 - well we don't know that mate. Can't conclusively comment on what somebody else might've done as we aren't them or in their mind. We do know he commented on the "Rights and wrongs in professional wrestling" in his first WCW promo though.

@@SunnySinghSaid great response my guy , i love coming across comments where theres a clear explanation to your thought process instead of bickering amongst each other

Rick Rude was part of DX at this time.

He didn’t have a contract with the WWF at the time. He was being paid on an appearance by appearance basis. That is why he was able to leave WWF and show up on WCW TV 6 days later.

Lmfao AEW

as god as my witness he is broken in half

Reminds me of another one of my favorites: “you son of a bitch!”

We'll see you next week !!! As the program goes off air

By God, stop the damn match!!!

"that's it! He's dead!"

I refuse to watch without Good Ole JR and the King. They were magic.

@@jimmyfaustjr6413 They were the Madden and Summerall of Pro Wrestling.

Jr going to aew now

@@jimmyfaustjr6413 JR got him a nice new payday at AEW

He was a stooge....he knew what was going to happen.. the fact that you idiots can not make a connections between actors and that their job is to act... is unbelievable.

It was already going in that direction. Once Austin became champ is when they began beating WCW in the ratings. Shawn getting injured and Vince finally being done with him was the best thing that couldve happened.

Once Bret and Shawn departed and Austin took the helm as the poster boy of the WWF, The Attitude Era made more stars than any other generation before or after it. It was a hot bed for talent and up and comers, it wasn't the same stale matches and even mid-carders became more entertaining than the heavy weight division. Watching exciting mid-card fights made the anticipation for the main draw (Austin, Rock, Triple H, Undertaker etc) more exciting too watch, it became more of a show and they finally had a formula that worked both for live crows and the TV/home audience.

It took sacrificing a legend in order for it to happen the way it did!

@@goodplenty534 in in hindsight you can say that but in reality if Bret would have won and Vince wouldn't took that punch by Bret , it might have happened differently , but who knows what would have been the outcome. Gladly it took the turn for the best.

@@Jameslawz Not really. Ruthless Aggression had way more stars and better wrestling. Attitude Era has stupid stuff like Kennel from Hell match, Mae Young giving birth to a hand, pudding matches, Val Venis and Kaitentai, the Union, etc. Attitude Era is overrated.

Yes he did

Also HBK copped a plea talking about he didn't know. He didn't want that smoke

All part of the shoot

Brett was in the wrong...he was leaving and should have done the job and droped the belt.

@@shawnr7730 It was in his contract that he got to pick when he dropped the title. He agreed to drop the title after the Canada PPV. He even offered to work a couple extra days off contract to resolve the issue. He just didn't want to lose in Canada. Its pretty cut and dry lol.

Brett literally tried telling Vince that, he told Vince that had Shawn not have told him that, he would've dropped the belt to him but Shawn told Brett if the tables were turned he wouldn't put him over. Brett even had in his contract that he had say over his contract. He didn't even wanna leave WWE. But after Shawn told Brett what he did, Brett tried to work with Vince but ultimately told him that after Shawn disrespected him like that he simply wasn't dropping the belt to put him over. That's the whole point the screw job happened because regardless in vince's eyes he couldn't jump ship with the wwf belt and refusing to drop the belt to Shawn, again regardless of the situation, Brett was refusing to do business in vince's eyes. So since he refused to do business, Vince called the match when Shawn hit the sharpshooter. Ive sided with Brett since I heard/saw the screw job. Shawn was cocky and arrogant, was difficult to work with and he was so popular that he basically could get away with anying. He had little to no respect for anyone but Shawn and given that he and Brett never really liked each other anyways, Shawn definitely had no respect for Brett. So despite his pride, pleading, and what angles Brett was willing to work after Shawn's remark, Vince agreed then came out and said "fuck you Brett" anyways

From what I could find, Bret did tell Vince that, but Vince wanted Shawn to leave with the title and was trying to find ways to make it happen. What should have happened was that Shawn should have either been removed from the match or the match should have been made a Triple Threat Match, with the Undertaker set to pin Bret and win the title, with Shawn later winning it on Raw or another PPV before Royal Rumble. Either that or have Bret lose the title before Survivor Series. It's mindboggling to me that Vince told him to go speak with Russo before taking the belt off him.

@@tjjordan4207They could of had a triple threat against Shamrock the next night on Raw. Ken had been in a program with both Bret and Shawn before SS, he actually had them both beat on individual matches between them before outside interferences took place. Have that triple threat and have HBK pin Shamrock due to shenanigans. Bret leaves without the belt and without having been beat by Shawn, Shawn gets the belt and keeps it warm for Austin at Wrestlemania and Shawn and Ken still have their match at the following PPV. But no, Vince had to have his way

"Ring the fucking bell" to be exact haha

I heard Hebner say ring the bell, but not Vince. I'm not saying it didn't happen, I just never heard Vince say it.

JayTheAdviceGuy YOU'RE FUCKING WRONG!!!!

JayTheAdviceGuy it was Vince, not the Ref

@@SandmanFightingSys You can clearly hear hebner say it too though and motion for it.

And that’s great thing because it went to a whole different level after this 💯

Joe Garrison lol underrated comment

So underrated 😂 fucking Overeem lmfao

Lmao overroid

How did we get to Alistair Overeem in this? lol.

vince, we all know thats a lie.

ooo vince, you silly goose

is true about you and hbk

he was reversing the sharpshooter u stupid idiot

Vince McMahon

I'm sure you know this now, but Taker himself since he retired has said exactly this. I get why Vince did it, but there was a way. Hell of a story.

I thought Bret says no matter what he wasn't going to drop the belt in Canada?

@@TyTimeIsAwesome Not to Shawn at least, not in Canada.

@@youngdolo8 I don't think he would've dropped it to Take either.

@@TyTimeIsAwesome Maybe... Who knows, whole situation is fucked.

Vince was kinda burned by Medusa. That's partially why Montreal happened. That and bret not wanting to drop the title.

And Shawn faked a leg injury

Back in the early 90's HBK always jobbed to Bret Hart so learn y'all facts he always lost to Bret until Bret Hart finally put him over at Wrestlemania 12

@@dwaynefrierson991 Dwayne gets it. Bret, in their history, has beaten Shawn way more times than the other way around.

@@christianhafer9819 thank you I do get it

@@dwaynefrierson991 You're certainly welcome. You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.

that's the thing about story tellers... they have be good at lying....Jim Ross knew what was gonna to happen. it's been confirmed by Vince and HBK and Triple H that Jim knew it was happening...he was even in on the planning it out.

I agree. Love Good ol' JR. The worst part is WHY they fired him. You'll hear people saying they fired JR because he was "drunk" (Which I doubt) during a promotional thing for WWE video games. Well, pretty sure Ric Flair was wasted drunk during one of those "Legends" table meetings that was televised, and they brought him back. I genuinely think they don't want JR in WWE because of how he looks and sounds. WWE is so image obsessed. He's too old and the bell's paulsy is a "turn off" to fans.

You can thank Kevin Dunn and Vince Russo for convincing Vince to take him off television because fans won’t like the way JR looks cause of his Bell’s palsy. Also Ric Flair has no business being on TV especially since 1- he was drunk and 2- he was still mourning the death of his son. When Ric buried Daniel Bryan and exposed Cena JR got the blame for not controlling the situation and ended up getting fired.

+Passmeby im a little confused on that. Did just not show up to work for Bret?

metalsquirrelgamer He sat out a week and then returned.

Home*

In an interview Jim Cornette did, Cornette said he had to call Mick Foley on the phone to convince him to come back.

Didn't Undertaker no show RAW the next night? I think Crush quit WWF in protest of the screwjob too

Grant420 so do you

Probably because it's the only genuine unscripted moment.

@@collydub1987 😂

There are several decisions in WWE that made Vince reveal his true colors as a world class jerk. This was one of them. He is a great businessman though

The only heel in this situation is Brett Hart. He attempted to leave the WWF without relinquishing the title, effectively burying the company that made him.

@@mazzvidz Bret had still a month left in his contract with WWF hence his delayed debut in WCW, plenty of time to relinquish the title, it's not like he had to leave WWF right after Survivor Series. Shawn just wanted to fuck Bret in Canada just like he did with the Bulldog in UK in front of his dying sister.

@@mazzvidz u an idiot if you don't know what he's talking about basically vince benefited as a heel moving forward and his character actually played a part in the attitude era moving forward

@@mazzvidz Guess again Bret was willing to drop the belt except to Shawn after the shennanigans earlier that year when Shawn claimed he needed knee surgery to avoid the rematch, Bret even tried to phone Eric Bischoff to get his WCW debut held off so that Raw on the Monday night could have been an option to drop the belt. The asshole was Vince who was shit scared that Bret might take the belt because the WWF had little to offer and losing Bret was something that Vince did not want to become public knowledge for fear of the fans who hated Shawn turning to follow Bret on WCW, and yes Shawn was not liked by a lot of fans for his in ring antics, nor in the back either for his out of control behavior.

Gave him black eye and knocked him down . I would say that is hard enough

@@kpax45 yeah maybe your right

+InappropriateDirtyComments It was all downhill when Piper left.

+InappropriateDirtyComments i totally agree... when I was watching this after 10 sec. into this clip I thought.. damn... I totally miss his voice and commentary

+InappropriateDirtyComments Cole is fine. He commentates well. Get rid of The King.

DalleDayul no cole sucks. King needs to go!

NippelousErectous agreed

"Hellacious office" 😂😂😂

Vince is the one guy who i feel absolutely is in the wrong here. Fact is Vince knew these two guys hated each other and he also was the guy who was push for Bret to leave. So to your point Vince keeping the title on Bret when he was leaving much less knowing Bret had creative control once he handed in his notice was him being an idiot. Second Vince had a very easy out dont have the match be Shawn and Bret have it be Taker vs Bret (fans wont boo Taker as badly if at all) then the next night after Bret has left have Shawn challange for the belt, Kane interferes boom title is on Shawn. This was Vince trying to start shit and it blew up in his face but having the ego he does Vince couldnt admit he was wrong so he fucked Bret

Vince didn't think that Bret would be such an overwhelming crybaby and not agree to lose a simple match for the company that made him and treated him well. Vince underestimated how selfish and petty Bret Hart was.

Daniel Moore From a business standpoint I can understand but professionally it's fucked up. It's even worse cause Vince literally lied to Bret's face before the match and told him he was gonna keep the belt. Sure they treated him well but having him leave like that is still super fucked up.

Bret was treating Vince like crap. Bret was treating the entire WWF roster at the time like crap. Earl Hebner said he did what he did because Bret was also screwing him over because he was also part of the WWF roster. Bret was selfish and should have merely did was he was asked(lose a freaking match). Vince isn't going to risk his company going freaking bankrupt on Bret Hart's little pissy bullshit. The only thing I disagree with Vince on was him trying to explain things to Bret afterwards, I would have doublecrossed his sorry ass and gotten the hell outta there with the belt. Good luck going down south with the dinosaurs Bret you sorry selfish sack of pathetic shit.

You obviously dont know anything about what your talking about Daniel, Bret had Creative Control for the last 30 days of his contract he had every right to turn down droping the world title to HBK and Vince knew this. You wanna talk about a guy treating the roster like shit lets look at HBK who spent the last 3 years booking himself to win every title and only losing them through vacating them while people like Bigelow, Bulldog, Ahmed, and Vader have their pushes killed by HBK politicing. Unprofessional, Lets talk about HBK faking an injury to get out of losing to Bret at WM, or outright quitting the company in mid 97 to get more money and kill Brets heel run, or literally showing up at tapings drunk, high, or both. Lets Talk about HBK saying "I will never put you over" when Bret was trying to make peace with the whinny little fuckhead. When you tell the world champion that you will never lose to them and go out of your way to fuck him and his family over Id say Bret had every right to say "nope i wont lose to this guy". Bret even said he was willing to lose to Shawn till Shawn did that little stunt. So no you wanna blame someone blame Vince for constantly fucking Bret a guy who had been with the company for 11 years, worked every date he was asked including a day after his brother died, all to appease this selfish pre madonna who admits he wishes he had gone to WCW to be with his real friends

If you think Bret forgives him you're naive. Dude still sounds bitter in interviews to this day, and his book doesn't have kind words for them either.

dude if bret and shawn were young again they would beat the shit out of each other first sight, of course they needed to hug it out cause there old and nothing else can be done about it. plus wrestling is dead now anyway it had its run..

Iceozo1 theres a youtube documentary bret did after the 2010 raw and he still sounds bitter about it.

It doesn't matter how Bret handles it. Shawn went out and sought forgiveness. They were able to let it go as far as he is concern. You know it's been stated before. That they were at one time friends. If Shawn is truly a christian and is a changed man. Then I can understand him wanting closer from this. Bret and how he handles it is up to him.

Jonathan Petrosky Considerig how Shawn was still a prima donna when he was born again I wouldn't forgive him.

It wasn't his hometown. Bret is from Calgary.

Not even close buddy. Over 2000 miles between montreal and Calgary.

The worst part is that Bret leaving was a huge waste of time, because he ended up being a mid-carder in WCW.

Bret didn't leave because Shawn refused to do the job..Bret was basically forced over to WCW because Vince couldn't afford to honor his contract. He didn't want to go.

Bret was already leaving for WCW. It's customary for the guy leaving to lay down for the next guy in line at the company being left. Bret refused to lay down for Shawn because it was in his COUNTRY. Not hometown, not province, not region, nothing. A guy from California can't claim Boston as his home crowd. Bret was in the wrong and being arrogant and unprofessional, therefore he got what was coming to him. Very few people strong arm Vince McMahon and get away with it. Luckily for Bret, it's given him something to talk about for the last 17 years. Bret's biggest problem in wrestling wasn't the Montreal Screwjob, it's that he never grasped the concept that wrestling is a work.

bret left for wcw for more money, not because shawn didnt want to put him over lol. He had decided he was leaving months before this match, everyone knew he was leaving, but bret didnt want to pass the title to shawn because their relationship was bad. Bret was refusing to put shawn over and vince had to do what he had to do, even though he shouldnt have lied to bret, but the main fault falls on bret.

***** ^All true, except you're forgetting to mention one crucial thing here: Shawn was scheduled to drop the belt back to Bret in a rematch at WM 13, but opted out by faking a knee injury. Which is the MAIN reason why Bret wouldn't job to him. I don't think it was so much about being in Canada, rather more to do with not putting Shawn over, who refused to put him over earlier in the year, and as we all know, was generally a pain in the ass to work with at the time.

Tony c - Nobody replied to you because you did your research and knew what you were talking about. But you know marks think they know everything.

Nuff said

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I read that the second Jr said I didn't know were King was

Why should he agree to be buried on the way out? It's his career, he has a right to try to make the best of his career. Also, how do you know "the rest of the boys" got a pay cut? Every single guy in the locker room had a pay cut? You are aware he had a guarantee of certain monies in his contract. As I said before, if your manager at McDonald's called you in and told you to take a pay cut, even though he had no intentions of doing the same himself, would you just say, "I agree, I deserve to have my pay cut!" and go back to serving fries? It's such a stupid notion to think that "hey, he should just get paid less!" when I promise that NO ONE that says that would agree to be paid less in their job.

***** He was leaving. You're supposed to put somebody on your way out even if you don't like them. That's how a professional is supposed to do it. McMahon couldn't afford Hart's contract. Had Hart stuck around for the boom that was to come, he could've gotten the pay raise he wanted.

No you are not "supposed to put somebody on your way out". That's a McMahon fantasy that he created in an attempt to draw sympathy after getting all 24 hours of his clock cleaned by Hart. If you look back over the history of wrestling (I know, you only know WWF from the "Attitude Era" because you're too young to have seen anything else), but there have been plenty of times when guys were kept strong on the way out. There's NO reason AT ALL for Bret to agree to take a high profile loss, even when he's leaving, for many reasons. First, WCW had huge plans for him in the Canadian market, a new market for the company, since they never tried doing anything in the country before, and aforementioned high profile loss was the WWF's way of sticking it to both Bret and WCW, when Hart was leaving. Next, poor McMahon. Yes, he was in the poor house. He told Bret that he was applying for food stamps. He "couldn't afford Hart's contract". BULL. McMahon just didn't WANT to pay Bret. I say again, I know if your manager at McDonald's called you and told you that even though you had a CONTRACT agreeing to certain monies, he changed his mind, and decided not to pay you. So, you, being the great guy you are, went right back to serving those fries and Big Macs. Too bad McMahon signed a CONTRACT with Hart. If he had buyer's remorse, then too bad so sad. There's no reason for Hart to agree to take a pay cut. You'll know these things when you have a CAREER and not a JOB. Of course, when you finally get to man the counter at McDonald's full time, you will readily take all pay cuts offered to you. You'll be the guy who works there for 25 years and never gets a raise. What a generous guy you are. However, in the real world (as in, not yours), these types of things do not happen. Third, Bret's contract SPECIFICALLY called for "reasonable creative control", which Hart admitted he put in so McMahon couldn't bury him on the way out. It's quite reasonable to say, "I don't want to be buried in the market where my new employer is planning big things with me". Not just that, but it's also quite reasonable to not want to lose all his "heat" for the Hitman character. After portraying a pro-Canada, anti-USA heel, to have a high profile loss in Canada is definitely damaging. Again, these are things you'll understand if you leave McDonald's (and I'm not just talking about leaving there to work for Taco Bell) and have an actual CAREER somewhere. He, like any other person in their chosen career, should NOT have to "suck it up and take a pay cut". He's not like you, where you are routinely lied to and asked to get your pay cut, and you agree all the time, because anyone can do your job. How hard can it be to bag fries? Anything else I can disprove for you?

***** 1.) Wrong. Backlund, Graham, and Hogan lost on their way out. That's what this business is supposed to be about! 2.) Bret did not own the WWF. You do what the boss tells you. You don't like it? Tough shit. 3.) Shawn was hot at the time. Getting more heat from beating Hart was the goal to build up Austin. 4.) Of course, he didn't want to pay Bret because they struck the deal with Tyson. McMahon made the right business decision. 5.) Forfeiting the title and giving a goodbye speech on your way out to please your ego is a slap in the face to the business, but go ahead and spin it any way you want.

totally agree ,huge bret fan , seen him many times live for stampede wrestling , but you drop the belt when leaving , and do what your boss says

earl and vince were in on it - so was shawn but he faked that he wasn't - one or two others definitely were too but the exact truth about others will never be known.

@@mrgobrien I think Bret in his book wrote that Taker said that Shawn admitted that he was in on it to Taker not long after the incident and he told Bret that

And Triple H

Brett wouldn't show up on WCW with the belt, but Eric Bishcoff probably would sat that the WWF champion was leaving and coming WCW.

Dexenation Gracey Honorable? Hahahahahaha

Mastermind Yes, honorable. Guy spent his entire Hall Of Fame speech talking about his peers.

Jim Cornette put it best: Bret trusted Vince, & Vince trusted Bret -- But Vince didn't trust Bischoff, & that was the deciding factor.

Started the attitude era

JayTheAdviceGuy the short answer is no. Jerry only did commentary on the second hour of Raw back then.

Only did the second hour.

matt Rich That's an easy one, Vince tried to convince Hart to stay, and gave him the championship and a huge money deal, but then realized that he could not afford it, so he asked Bret to accept wcw's offer. Bret said yes, McMahon asked him to lose the title in montreal and well, you know the rest.

mike powerman I’m from NYC. I’m closer to Montreal than Calgary is

Jesse Howard fascinating

Honestly ive heard this theory and it doesnt add up, what it was is Vince for once (and maybe the only time) realizing the situation for what it was and rolling with it rather than trying to fight it. If you watch the first couple weeks following Vince was trying to pass himself and WWE as the good guys being backed into a corner for a guy who refused to do what "should have been done". When it became obvious the fans saw through that bullshit he basically turned it into heel heat and used that to start his heel owner character and the rest is history

I remember being shocked that Bret Hart was going to WCW. I didn't hear about it until right after this match.

Tin foil hat stuff. It wasn't a work. If it was, Bret would have told everyone, because he looks like a sucker. For a guy that thinks the world of himself and cries about everything, he would have told everyone 5 minutes after it happened that it was a work.

​@@somegamer7958not if he was getting paid enough to keep quiet.

Yeah Bret knocked Vince out, with Rick Rude by his side.

Watch the vice documentary it gives you a look of kinda what it looked like

I’ve heard a few story’s and most say Brett had a bunch of people blocking him but he somehow got through with an overhand right that connected on vince 😂👍🥊

I agree.

Boobie Diaz Well kudos to Triple H then. Brett Hart was selfish. And if it wasn't for the Montreal Screw Job we would've never had the Attitude Era. There'd be no Austin, no Rock, no Undertaker, etc. So if what you said is true, I'm grateful to Triple H.

Stealth 107 I thought it was Mr. McMahon, Shawn Michaels, the ref, Jim Cornett and Vince

It's the greatest work in the history of wrestling. I remember there was a video explaining all the reasons it was a work but it must've got taken down. One point I do remember is that Wrestling With Shadows was being filmed before and during the fallout of SS97, so if it really was a shoot how could Bret have been able to use and put out all of the behind the scenes locker room footage? He would have to had gotten Vince's permission, even after the fact or else got sued.