Bam developing a dribble drive game is INFINITELY more interesting to me than him shooting 3s, even though they are connected. I kind of only care about the 3s as a step for him to attract close outs for him to attack.
@PointJovic , Just imagine if Bam was actually athletic enough to just dunk the ball more often, like Blake Griffin, Aaron Gordon, Shawn Kemp, Dwight Howard, Giannis. His ceiling and the Heat's ceiling would be much greater if he could figure out a way to get more easy baskets in the paint. IMO, Bam should've skipped the Olympics because he already has a gold medal and went down to Houston for the entire summer to work with Hakeem on his footwork and post moves. If Bam's the new franchise player by default, then he needs to elevate his offensive game Defense wins championships, but offense wins games. So, Bam needs to elevate his offense to help the Heat win more games to be in a better position to win a championship with his good defense
I just find it so crazy when he expect so much out of one player when he don’t have another star on the team to take the load off him most teams have 2 stars the heat don’t
The reason Jimmy has the most to prove is he is the one with the loudest mouth in the NBA that has never won a ring. Herro SUCKS and everyone already knows that. Jimmy is now old and injury prone and needs to keep his mouth shut, just like Pat said, until he can play a great full season and playoffs and help lead this team with Bam to a ring.
Bam has more to prove. Jimmy could be off the Heat by the end of next season. It will become Bam’s team; it was never supposed to be Tyler’s team, and if Bam doesn’t take a huge leap the future is bleak with him being a max contract in the new CBA
You obviously don’t know ball Jimmy is supposed to be the #1 all star player he wants to get paid like one yet last season he was horrible and not to mention he’s going on 35 herro on the other hand is a young 3rd option as long as he’s healthy he’ll be ok
@knowledgeseeker1528 , Yep, people don't hold Bam more accountable because deep down, they know he's not capable of doing more. So instinctively, they don't have higher expectations for him like they do Jimmy, who's already proven he can carry a team and elevate his play in the playoffs To many Heat fans, Bam is all the Heat definitely have for the future, and if they were to tell the truth about him, they would be less enthusiastic about the team's future
I need Spo to quick tinkering with lineups. Find the best 5 and stick with it the best teams even before the season starts know who there best starting 5 is
The Jimmy slander has to stop. He's the primary reason the Heat have been as successful as they have since he signed with the team. Pat Riley gave Jimmy the max-extension he currently has when his career history has always been, including his first few seasons with the Heat before Riley extended his contract, that he's not a prolific scorer in the regular season, misses about 20 games or so a season, but always elevates his play in the playoffs Pat Riley recruits older players to sign wirh Miami and tells them he'll allow them to take time off to manage their bodies and for personal family matters. If Riley was unhappy with Jimmy's availability and play last season, he needs to take accountability himself for giving an older player an extension and promising them they could load-manage during the season Fans need to stop blaming Jimmy so much for the Heat's poor regular season. Bam, at 26, has a max contract and couldn't even average 20 pts per game and disappears at times. Herro, who also got a big extension, missed almost the whole regular season. And the rest of the Heat Culture guys just weren't good enough to get the job done. Playoff Jimmy has covered up for Pat Riley's poor roster management. The Heat's 3 best players don't even fit and play well together. Stop blaming Jimmy for everything. 79 year old Pat Riley is who Heat fans should be focusing on and want gone.
True. Yet all of that is in the past. Cannot afford to pay a guy for the past under these new rules man. And I am a Jimmy guy. I want him to stay. Yet, objectively, he is declining and if we think it's bad now, the future years will be worse due to his style of play, Tibb mins on his body, no respected 3pt shot, etc.
@@Miles_305 and when he sign the extension at the middle or end of this season would be in the past as well that’s with every contract it’s based off your resume
@fs6688 , If that's how you feel about Jimmy, then use your brain to comprehend what said and blame Riley for signing a "nobody" and giving him a big max contract extension at an older age. And if "glazing" is on your mind when we're talking about sports, then obviously that's what you like to do
As a big herro fan he still has one major thing to prove. He has to prove that he can be a high leaving scoring and playmaking third/second option on a competitive heat team. In the two years he’s been a night in night out starter he hasn’t done that. Two seasons ago he had a solid year but he broke his hand against the bucks and missed the playoffs and this year he was injured all the time and then in the playoffs the team stood no chance. So both seasons he hasn’t played a full season. Injuries are not in his control but that doesn’t change the fact that we haven’t seen him have healthy run as a 2nd/3rd option starter yet
What on earth does Jimmy have to prove? He is at minimum a top 3 Heat player of all time. He was a top 3 playoff performer in multiple postseasons, he has MULTIPLE top 15 playoff games of all time from any player ever. His record is unimpeachable. If Pat and Andy had done their jobs and given him reasonable talent instead of scrappy undrafted guys and one-way exploitable guys he would already have hung a banner. Very disrespectful to what he has accomplished here. Don't like the venom the front office and now the Heat media that carries water for the front office has been slinging on his name. If not for the miracle work of Jimmy the last 10 years of Heat basketball would have been disgraceful and Pat Riley's reputation would deservedly be in the dirt. Put some respect on the guy who has carried everything since Wade left.
Wes said it's a "What have you done for me lately League" So what has Pat done Lately???? Oh yeah, Take Credit for Wade's Work ‼️ Ps We just saw Bam as Miami's best player, against Boston.... And we saw how that Ended 😂 And i Love Bam
This whole Jimmy Butler thing is idiotic to me from the Heat side. Make a decision on him and roll with it. You know what Jimmy is. He is old and has a lot of miles, his body is betraying him. He will give you everything he has in the playoffs. Cannot give you that all year. Do you want that or not? You cannot ask him to “prove it” when proving it means overcoming what your body is inevitably going to do. He is willing to play on a trashed knee for 3 quarters of a playoff game, where you lost. He played through injury in an entire series against Denver, that you lost. He is what he is because of the blood, sweat, and tears he poured into basketball his whole career. What’s left of him is what’s left of him. It’s out of his control.
@@PointJovic can you retype that in all caps, the jimmy disrespect is sickening. Talk about spo lineups and pat not putting another long wing to help smh
@@tj2fly883 Bam needs to prove he's a franchise player who can carry a team during the regular season and playoffs to justify the big max-extension his just got. To whom much is given much is expected
Stop giving the Heat's front office a pass for clearance shopping to fill the roster. The same roster issues from the bubble have yet to be addressed. Plus, we all see how DIRTY each play was that injured Jimmy back to back years.
The only thing tyler has to prove and that he belongs on the heat if not trade him thats it. He has given nothing for 3 years should have been left this team
NO ONE WANTS HIM. How are MIA fans so freaking blind to how trades work? Youve seen that no one wants him, even as salary in a bigger trade, definitely not with his trash contract AND getting any sort of asset back. NO ONE WANTS HERRO, HE IS YOURS
We need Jimmy to play like a Star every night that's what comes with being the best player on a team. And Bam needs to show if he's a piece to the puzzle or if he can really be a lead 1A guy which we don't know yet.
David Ramil why the hell does bam have anything to prove are you slow? Bam has nothing to prove the front office does by puttin a damn competent roster around him
Just imagine if Bam had the ability to just dunk the ball more often, like Blake Griffin, Aaron Gordon, Shawn Kemp, Dwight Howard, and Giannis His ceiling and the Heat's ceiling would be much greater if he could figure out a way to get more easy baskets in the paint. IMO, Bam should've skipped the Olympics because he already has a gold medal and went down to Houston for the entire summer to work with Hakeem on his footwork and post moves. If Bam's the new franchise player by default, then he needs to elevate his offensive game Defense wins championships, but offense wins games. So, Bam needs to elevate his offense to help the Heat win more games to be in a better position to win a championship with his good defense
I think the reason Tyler hit his ceiling is because while he has physical limitations there are things he could have done to make those things less of a problem. Look at Bane in Memphis, he doesn’t have a long wingspan, he’s more athletic than Tyler but the main thing is, he’s strong. Tyler has been super skinny and hasn’t transformed his body at all
looking beyond this season for championship hopes is ironic. can it be said this year is a transition period and jimmy's ornamental in pursuing a play off spot only? big on next year and play off's the ceiling?
The issue I see? Tyler IS a 6th man in a starting spot. Which sucks. He earned the spot when called on at training camp but in reality he should’ve stayed at 6th. They should bring Jimmy back to 2 and put Bam at the 4 to get the best out of them, hopefully reducing injuries for Jimmy
None of those player you mention were better than butler on the playoffs in the last 4 years . So your argument is to play the regular season 70 games minimum something his done twice in his career and then win another 16 games by himself??🤣 🤣 🤣 . Bc bam will disappear offensively against a real center like usual nothing he can do to small. Then we have to pray for herro to be healthy to at least attempt to do something bc been 6 years 1 playoff run (bubble rookie year ) . The issue is not butler the issue is the team you build a round him . Bunch of role players and bam 3rd option at best in championship team.
Expecting a 35 year old Jimmy coming off of 3 major lower body injuries to play 90 games at a top 10 level is absurd magical thinking. If they want a regular season work horse then trade Jimmy for someone in their 20s instead of slinging mud on his name as if this man has not single-handedly kept the Heat relevant over the last half decade. And as if the front office hasn't completely failed in their job of supporting him. Heat have been acting very slimy this offseason disrespecting a legend just like they disrespected Wade and even LeBron.
Last year Jimmy was ranked 12 and Bam was ranked 15. HOWEVER, on the ESPN reg season leaders board, Jimmy was no.42 and Bam was no.35 last season. Hence, play-in and swift exit. The ESPN projections for next yr have Bam dropping to no.21 and Jimmy falling all the way down to 48🫣
Problem is Bam and Tyler do well during the regular season and Jimmy coasts. Then playoff time comes Bam and Tyler dissapear and Jimmy playing hard but we're the 8th seed or play-in team.
LMAO no one gives af about SL championships hahaha. What the players do there and who they play against is literally NO COMPARISON to the NBA and the actual talent from team to team. Teams with REAL young talent, that actually will play NBA minutes or will be stars, dont even play those players in SL or they let them play one game maybe 2 with limited minutes and then sit them. How stupid can you be?? SL doesnt even give any idea as to who has the best G LEAGUE team bc some of the more important GL players still dont even play in SL LMAO. 3 to 4 players that are going ot be good hahahahaha absolute fantasy world from the team with one of the worst group of young players in the NBA and not a single top 3 tier talent LOL
Tyler has to learn to play like Duncan he is the piece that doesnt fit Jimmy and Bam have been the main stays in all our finals and east finals Herro needs to stop trying to shoot the mid range and score either at the basket or from 3 if he doesnt bench him
The fact you think butler has something to prove in the regular season your crazy . 🤦♂️ asking a 35 yrs old to play 70 games something done twice in his career 🤡. For us to get out of play in tournament lol our best player bam couldn’t do nothing about regular season to get us out of there ?
Exactly, Bam, who's only 26 has a max contract just like Jimmy and just got a bigger max-extension, and he's not good enough to average 20 pts game and carry a team during the regular season. He's a 3rd teir All-Star, who is only good enough to be the 3rd best player on a championship winning team. Without Jimmy or Rozier in the playoffs, he only increased his average from 19 to 22, pathetic, especially when you considered he had no pressure on him because nobody expected the Heat to win that series
@omne1008 , He's already on a max extension contract for this year and has a player option for more money next year. He really has nothing to prove. He's set whether he gets a new contract extension or not from Miami
Lmao wes what do u kean b4 everyone got hurt and left him on an island. That mf got hurt the 7th game of the season and they were 3-4 lmao tyler stinks
I'm 💯 with Wes. We know what Tyler is (even if Tyler doesn't😅). Time to stop beating him down. Jimmy gets "i'm him!" Money and is down in damn near every offensive and defensive stat...he has loads to prove esp. In the reg season to get max money. The dark side of "Playoff Jimmy" is that you get "Coasting Jimmy" most the season.
Trade Tyler... He's Proven he's a Guy.... And he's not a Real 20ppg scorer... He get a Bunch of shots, because he plays with 2 Non score first scorers.... His numbers are Empty... They're Better Without Him
And wes bam is too busy on the offensive side bein the hub gettin everyone open with screens and dho's to do more for himself on offense. Jesus yal know nothing of basketball
@kamerongrossi3471 , If you think Jimmy gives AF about what's said about him on social media, them you haven't learned anything about Jimmy since he's been on the team.
Jimmy will break down and get injured if he gives maximum effort and plays 70 games in the regular season. I’m done with his laziness and his BS. Trade him so he can go to tennis matches and make coffee for another team.
Jimmy doesn’t have nothing to prove u should be mad at Tyler jimmy the only reason this team has gotten this far he don’t have another superstar to help him like most team I wish yall would get this threw yall head