whaouw since yesterday, I am focusing on Echoes and was wondering which ways was better ! Thanks for the video ! I know that ATK + Element is very nice too
So nice to see a comparison with no substats to skew the data, a great video!! I really think 44111 is quite viable if they roll well (which they so often do in wuwa compared to some other games) and so infinitely better to farm. I farmed herons for 3 days for Jiyan and didn't get a single good piece. But I'm completing fantastic 44111 builds with an amazingly low amount of investment. Meta players can go 43311 if they want to spend the time but as a bit more casual player it's lovely to have a much easier option.
The issue with comparing 44111 here vs 43311 is the fact that crit has higher scaling. Without giving the other set ups the substats to allow for them to balance out it causes the data to be screwed. It is a good video with nice editing. I just feel the data is misleading :(
it is in fact very misleading..4/4/1/1/1 on s0 jinhsi should only yield 94 out of 100% jinhsi top dps.. but 4/4/1/1/1 does scale better on jinhsi s6.. but not on 0 (this already include team buff) hence that's why no one sane enough to build 4/4/1/1/1.. unless you can s6 your jinhsi that is or if your crate really bad
@@kayyam9959 actually no. check maygi's vid and calculations. 44111 is not inherently worse. it all depends on the substat rolls. on 0 substat rolls 44111 is 1% worse but with good substat rolls its about 1.3% better compared to 43311. meaning, choose the better substat rolls between 44111 and 43311
@@ijaymontemayor382 4/4/1/1/1 didn't affect jinhsi worser as compared to other but it still a weaker number.. when i do char i go for the best which in s0 jinhsi is a 1 attack and 1 spectro dmg you can make the argument of choose the better substats.. yes ur right bout that that does affect more.. but if we are talking about same good substats than the answer is 4/3/3/1/1.. this exception can be overturned only if the jinhsi is a s6.. but on s0 to answer you no
@@kayyam9959care to explain to me why it scales better only on s6? is it because of the nuke damage? (extra 45% damage for her skill). i’m thinking of building her a 44111 out from the 43311 i’ve built her.
People, keep attention: Here 1ATK% + 1Element looks better, but probably this game also works with balance between stats Which means that when a character upgrades their ATK% in skills tree, it's better to choose 2Elements, also there's the fact element echoes can drop ATK% substats, but ATK% echoes can't drop element substats
Exactly, there are calculations already made: atk%+spectro% is the one dealing the most dmg of them all in the calculation and this video is proof of it.
If you guys have s1 jinshi, 44111 is the best. Do not listen to anyone saying that 43311 is better from s1 onwards. From s1, 44111 pulls ahead and the game only widens at s6.
Thank you for the showcase but this is not a representation of end game build with substat so keep that in mind. Since the ony source of crit aside from weapon is from substat (no crit buffer yet sadly) people would prioritize that so we would have at least 70% CR and 260% CDM on 43311 making 44111 worse in comparison while it is winning here. That said I'm surprised that Atk% 3 cost is indeed still very good despite a ton of atk from support buff (mostly cuz of almost 50% skill dmg bonus from weapon, if you have atk% weaponthen atk become less valuable and 44111 or double spectro would be better or equal 43311) Conclusion, I think the difference isn't so big that you would need to worry about echo configuration, at most the inherent difference between them is around 5% if we inlcude average substat and buff. Just get one that have the best substat and is easiest to get. For me I'm using double spectro 43311 but I will change one to atk% cuz I run out of spectro and still no double crit on one piece smh
This is so much better than genshin as when you upgrade artifacts it rolls into substats and in wuwa you dont so comparisons are fair. But I guess you priotise which peices roll best for you
is this a s6 jinhsi cause without subsets she is giving 145 k with buffs my echo has just crazy subsets still doing 145 k with buffs and in a tower which has more buffs lol
Well if i didn't roll a godly 2 spectro pieces on my jinshi I'd build her 44111 like my calcharo fr I got 1 piece have 9.9/18 crit and the other one is 8/18 ☠️☠️
so what are the downsides for using 44111, one is spectro damage doesn't increase with intro skill and something about sonata effect which i didn't understand
Do you have a video teaching or showing how to do the rotation, ive been trying to use Yuanwu instead of my Yinlin to test but its not clear for me how to do the rotation with him.
Literally just drop his pillar, switch to a second char like verina and spam as many coordinated attacks as quickly as possible. This is why YuanWu doesn't need much investment, he only exists to drop his pillar and use his echo so you can build Jinhsi stacks as fast as possible.
@@linr3 yuanwu is helpful for jinhsi cuz he only needs like a few seconds of field time at most if you also using healing set on him, he allows jinhsi stacks go up very fast and at most the only investment he needs is activating his second passive while yinlin needs on field time to get her ability up and use it which can take time and lower your damage if not built well enough, also you can use yinlin for another team if yıu use yuanwu
@@meliho27 My only issue with Yuanwu is he doesn't generate concerto energy that fast. For example if your rotation is yuanwu E > swap into verina > gen outro > intro into Jinshi, then next rotation is intro verina > swap yuanwu E > swap verina back (waste time here because yuanwu doesn't have outro ready)> gen verina outro > intro into jinshi. I'm unsure if there is an optimal rotation that allows for yuanwu to generate outro, my main issue here is when I "intro into verina" from Jinshi Union, I cannot afford to gather concerto for verina at that time because I have to place Yuanwu's E which expired (if you gather concerto and switch to yuanwu, chances are you waste your verina outro)
excellent HOWEVER keep in mind these are WITHOUT considering substats, if you have spectre dmg bonus pieces (and other pieces) with flat ATK and ATK % substats then the spectre(x2) is going to be better IMO
Taoqi works but her Playstyle is pretty slow so the Roations are not that smooth, Spectro Rover is a bad Choice for Jinhsi because he doesn't do any coordinated attacks and has the same element as her so he does not fill her bar at all. You could also use Baizhi instead of Verina to stack up the bar faster because of another different Element.
u def can.... and some TC are saying if u get some good skill dmg bonus on those 4 4111 and have her weapon... its actually the best option... but im not sure if theres consensus about this tho
@@vickdinvick5485 The substat matter a lot since Echo configuration inherent difference is so small as you can see in this video, the moment you add new stat the balance broke, so the best set would depend on your Jinshi rank, weapon, and substat. I'm using 43311 with spectro dmg cuz my atk% don't have much luck in substat but honestly if you can get 44111 with crit+Skill dmg bonus it wil probably be as good, or 43311 wiht Crit+atk% then those might be better for most people. But then again the difference is like 5% give or take which will go unoticed by most player
the crit value are important, maybe trying unbuild echo, it make the comparison pure. even the damage are lower but the different among damage r come from the echo main stat not the sub stat. but the video r great
44111 has a higher dmg scaling if you have some good substats My Jinshi have an unnecessarily high crit rate of around 100%+ and crit dmg of 217% so I'm trying to get a crit dmg Jue with good substats (I'm using 43311)
@@kitseyer9124 you'll be missing 60% (2 element echo) dmg. I use bp weapon and have 60% crt 258% crt dmg, You can achieve 70% if you're lucky without sacrificing your slot with *4 crt echo.
It’s for the echos. so you have 5 slots to put echos in and can only have an accumulation of rank 12. The max rank an echo can achieve is rank 4 and lowest rank 1, that’s why u see the different variations of way they build to test the damage or having two rank 4, or two rank 3 (both spectro since jinshi is spectro), or having two rank 3 with one being atk or spectro. Hope I explained it easily!
44111 Is the best build with 100% crit rate. Anything lower than 100% crit rate means you are gonna miss a crit during nukes which will lead to a great dmg loss. 2 days farming echoes and I got 94% crit rate without 7% from weapon and traces yet to be unlocked. 100% 100% crit rate is the best.
Tbh Jinhsi is much forgiveable for less crit rate since most dmg come from Incarnation mode and Dragon Puke If your dragon Puke miss Crit, just restart 43311 always be better if u consider good Substat roll 44111 is for easier farm since 3 echoes hard to farm
