Jinnah, Creation of Pakistan,History of India and Hindutva Politics - Dr. Pervez Hoodbhoy -  

Lots of the questions people asked Dr. Hoodbhoy are questions we have already discussed in the previous two podcasts: 1. Ideology of Pakistan and Corruption of HEC Exposed ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-fY4odzcjhzk.html 2. Religion, Science and Education ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-86jNq92TVlY.html 3. Dr. Pervez Hoodbhoy answers all your Questions and Controversies ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-TWrMqX6Xnj8.html

"Today's India is not Gandhi's India" say Pakistanis after breaking Gandhi's India

If your source of truth is Romila Thapar the next stop will be quoting Zaid Hamid. 😂😂😂

Duggal sahab says people didn't know whether they were Hindus or Muslims before the advent of the British. Then how come Jajiya was imposed only on Hindus 😂.

As a Indian I am proud about my culture and tradions

😂😂😂" Sanskrit zubaan Syria se hai". No matter how many times a Pakistani says that he/ she is liberal. Hatred for other cultures and kafir is constant. Good job Mr. Hoodboy.

Pakistanis often say - This (Modi's) India is not Gandhi's India. Well, despite India of 1947 being Gandhi's India, Islamists still broke it to make Pakistan. Why should India remain Gandhi's India? To get further broken?

Pervez hoodbhoi is the perfect example of top tier pakistani tomfoolery

Sikhi or sikhism - is a dharmic panth. It is not outside the dharmic framework.

Parvez Hoodbhoy speaking about Hindu culture... is similar to... a Maulvi talking about Science... 🤣🤣🤣

As soon as he said Romilla Thapar a 'historian' I knew where he will go

Only a Pakistani can suggest Sanskrit is not indian

49:50 cannot be any more wrong. i always love how lopsided pakistanis knowledge is about anything related to india.

1965 War: when an aggressive side does not achieve objective for why they started the war and it comes to a stalemate, attacker is considered a looser

Thank you Jinnah. India owes him a huge debt of gratitude.

Buddha said - Dharmam sharnam gacchammi. Means seek refuge in Dharma. Buddhism is not a separate religion but rather a school of thought within dharmic framework and Buddha was the last famous preacher of that school of thought while the system itself predates buddha by many a millenia.

This interview was such a revelation... Thanks for getting me out of this delusion that Mr. hoodboy is a scholar....

People with the best intentions in pakistan cannot see Hindus without their islamist training. 'Haan mandir tode lekin itne jyaada nahi tode'. Sad and disgusting.

Problem of every Pakistani (irrespective of his education) is that they have an imaginary picture about India's religious structure. And no matter who comes in power it will remain same & progress of India will speed up no matter what you think.

Now-Sanskrit came from Syria After 50 years- butter chicken came from England to india.

As an Indian I’m so deeply grateful that India’s constituent assembly was full of statesmen! And the head of the drafting committee Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar was in my understanding most spectacular of them all.

One eyed man is king in the land of the blind, that's Mr Hoodbhoy for you.

50:12 sadly, his understanding of Indian culture is from a Marxist standpoint, they define Hinduism with sati , caste , Dalit , Brahmins etc. this is the exact problem the Abrahamic view of the world. Guys take a chill pill and try travelling to India , and see for yourself what unites us and what divides us. And as far as tolerance in Pakistani society, minorities are at the charity, pity of the majority, in india the rights are enshrined in our constitution.

55:47 sanskrit syria se aati hai joke of the century

Pakistani’s favorite historian is ROMILLA THAPAR. some great quote by ROMILLA thapar “ yudhisthir (Mahabharata) learnt from Samrat Ashoka (Maurya empire) “ sanatan dharmic religion come from Middle East” “Hinduism started after Buddhism” “Siddharth Gautama was born in modern day China” Lol no doubt Pakistanis are way smarter about history

There is one thing about India is that we have a cultural Pride. India did not try to erase the past. We feel proud of our past. India and Indians are proud of our culture as well. But that's not happening in Pakistan.

Thanks almighty Bangladesh has been saved from hybrid colonial setup of Pakistan in 1971. Otherwise Bangladesh would have been situation like as Baluchistan or Afghanistan. India and Russian government had a great role at that time

I am a fan of Dr. Pervez Hoodbhoy's open ideas; and being a student of theoretical physics and an engineer, I appreciate his scientific work and temper. I would however with humility like to point factual inaccuracies in comments that were aired on this program by Dr. Hoodhbhoy and the host in this program; and would urge them to do some basic research. The below writeup is written with spirit of scientific exchange and humility and appreciation to the genius of Dr. Hoodhbhoy. Hope that we would examine and review the same. Sanskrit is as very much inherent to Indian Subcontinent. Yes, it may have a wider foot print; but the fact that it is very much inherent to Indian Subcontinent can be easily examined. Let's pick Hindi/Urdu for example.. " 1. tvam (Sanskrit)-->tum (Hindi/Urdu); 2. adya(Sanskrit)-->aaj (Hindi/Urdu) ; 3. bhavati (Sanskrit)--> hoti (Hindi/Urdu) 4. karoti ( Sanskrit)-> karta/karti (Hindi/Urdu).". I can go on and on. The evolution and intertwining of Indic languages ( including South Indian languages) from Sanskrit can be easily examined by a bit of Scientific study. Now coming to the "supposedly exaggerated claims" of Scientific achievements of ancient Indian rishis and scholars. I would like to give just some simple examples. I would urge Dr. Hoodhbhoy to examine in a dispassionate way with scientific temper. 1. Ashtadhyayi of Panini--> This small book of 14 Maheshwara sutras ( look up table/data segment) and around 4000 rules ( the code segment). These consititute a context free generative grammar that is necessary and sufficient to generate/analyze Sanskrit. This is a masterpiece that can be appreciated by any scientific mind even with a cursory examination. No wonder that there is tremendous interest in Sanskrit with regards to Natural Language Processing We can further look at works Chandas (prosody) example that of Pingala that incorporate combinatorics, number theory and generative functions. The fact that ancient India had a tradition of serious mathematical and scientific research can be easily understood with some basic research of ancient Indian works and Sanskrit was the language used across Indian Subcontinient to exchange, convey and preserve scientific thought. Also extensive research was done in spirituality, philosophy-- Yoga/ Vedanta etc etc. Sanskrit works have preserved these thoughts for eternity. Learning and understanding a bit of Sanskrit unlocks the connect to ancient/medieval and contemporary India/ Indian cultures/ Indian languages and Indian knowledge base. One also gains understanding how all countries in Indian subcontinent (irrespective of the superficial cloaks of religion) and intrinsically tied even at an ideational level. I would urge Dr. Hoodhbhoy, Mr. Ghias and all Indians and Pakistanis to do some basic study/research to uderstand their roots, theirown languages and their own land ( Indian Subcontinent/ Bharatavarsha) to know about themselves, the scientific work this land and its people have generated; and how the knowledge-base of the ancient India has been preserved thanks to Sanskrit language. This is not with a sense of false pride; but a genuine appreciation of human endeavor and high thoughts that this land --> Indian Subcontinent/ bharata varsha ( Mother India)-- irrespective of the modern borders has generated. We owe our due diligence and basic research to these accomplishments. Sanskrit language does offer a key to these accomplishments by our ancestors of ancient India.

Recently I had my DNA analyzed by 23andMe and they told me that I am 77% North Indian (Uttar Pradesh) & Pakistani (Khyber Pakhtunkhwa) 13% Central Asian (Afghanistan) 7.3% Bengali and Northeast Indian 2% African! I have 5th cousins all over Afghanistan Pakistan and India! As of now I found 3 5th cousins living in India, Prakash Kaur, Riteesh Reddy and Kshitij Saxena………😊

India right now is not sanitising its history, but realising and reclaiming it - both the good and bad part of it. History that was deliberately hidden from Indians by Communists and Islamist historians. Babur, Aurangzeb is our history, but invaders/ tyrants who committed genocide of Hindus/Indians. Buddha is our history, Vedas is our history, Indus valley civilization is our history, shushrusha is our history ( yea one who did world 's ist rhinoplasty, might not be palatable for Pakistanis ) albeit a proud one.

Hindutva is not religious phenomenon but cultural, social and ethenic phenomenon of the land which is situated between Indus river and Indian Ocean.

Non historians saste RU-vidr talk about history of India, Sanskrit 😅😅

Deep down Pervez Hoodbhoy is an Islamist, a true son of Jinnah

Prof. Sahab, critiquing hindutva won't help Pakistanis. If it has become somewhat of an issue in the last few years, it is mainly a delayed, eventual, and overdue reaction to the excesses by one of the other religious community. So introspection is required by Muslims of the subcontinent, especially the Pakistanis.

The Arabs utilized the Indian cartographic system in which the northern hemisphere was considered to be the inhabited part of the earth and divided into nine parts. Its four geographical limits were djamakut in the east, rum in the west, Ceylon as the cupola (dome) and Sidpur. Indians believed that the prime meridian passes through ujjain and calculated their longitudes from Ceylon. The Arabs adopted this idea of Ceylon's being the cupola of the earth but later mistakenly believed ujjain to be the cupola So all of this was hindu influence on so called Islamic science. So now you can see the difference between Pakistanis claims on great Pakistani civilization and hindutv claim on great indian hindu civilization. You can't hold two of them on same page because hindu were one of the greatest civilization of all time which everyone excepts. Except the pakistani liberals and extremmist as well.. And the thing hindu didn't exist in ancient times claim by professor is not true the name hindu didn't existed but sanatan did existed.. That is what todays Hinduism and hindu are.. And another claim by hindutv which you mention is hum hamesha se thay.. You know what every religion say that they were always there.. You muslim as well says that Islam was always there in some form.. But the claim by muslim is factual incorrect. Everyone knows.. But the claim by hindutv people on existence of there from beginning is not like muslim.. It's in philosophical level. That the concepts which Hinduism talks about was always there these are not invention.. These were the discovery. And as the Hinduism real name is sanatan dharm which means eternal way of life not religion and the thing which always existed.. Now talk about the invaders where you sad every person is invaders in indian subcontinental. That's not true. But it is true that some hindus ancestors in India were outsiders not invaders. They adapted this culture and the sanskrit language... They didn't demolished our temples and university and didn't impose their language on us. And didn't massacre millions in the name of religion. And didn't do something like selling our mothers sisters to mina bazar in lal qila. And mass rapping.. And imposing jaziya tax for being not from your religion. So did you get your your answer the difference between and outsider and invaders.. Now demolition of hindu temples.. This so called liberal professor sad that they may have demolished a dozen temples or may be he sad two dozen.. You know what there were like thousands of hindu temples and jain temples and Buddhist temples.. Even I can give you more then two dozen temples which were destroy and now they are mosque. And you can google search on them as well.. So see this.  List Of Hindu Temples Converted To Mosques bysameers Follow March 10, 2021 21K Islam has always erected a mosque on a temple or beside a temple. LIST OF MOSQUES WHICH WERE BUILT AFTER DEMOLISHING THE HINDU TEMPLES We give below, state-wise and district-wise, the particulars of Muslim monuments which stand on the sites and/or have been built with the materials of Hindu temples, and which we wish to recall as witnesses to the role of Islam as a religion and the character of Muslim rule in medieval India. The list is the result of a preliminary survey. Many more Muslim monuments await examination. Local traditions which have so far been ignored or neglected have to be tapped on a large scale. We have tried our best to be exact in respect of locations, names and dates of the monuments mentioned. Even so, some mistakes and confusions may have remained. It is not unoften that different sources provide different dates and names for the same monument. Many Muslim Babas are known by several names, which create confusion in identifying their mazãrs or dargãhs. Some districts have been renamed or newly, created and a place which was earlier under one district may have been included in another. We shall be grateful to readers who point out these mistakes so that they can be corrected in our major study. This is only a brief summary. It should be kept in mind that the list below doesn’t include all the temples destroyed by Muslims and which were converted to mosques. The below is the list of mosques and Darghas where evidences exists of having been made after destroying the temples at these locations. In many mosques, Muslim rulers were able to eradicate all signs of temples, and hence not given in below list. Anyone is free to visit the below list of mosques and see the remnants and materials of Hindu temples used in their construction. Archaeological Survey of India should conduct an excavation of below mosques to find out more about the ancient temples in these locations and possible mass graves around the mosque sites. BIHAR: BHAGALPUR DISTRICT Bhagalpur Dargãh of Hazrat Shãhbãz (1502). Temple site. Masjid of Mujahidpur (1511-15). Temple site. Dargãh of Makhdûm Shãh (1615). Temple site. Champanagar Several Mazãrs. On ruins of Jain temples. Masjid (1491). Jain Temple site. Masjid on the rock on the river bank. Temple site. II. GAYA DISTRICT Amthua Masjid (1536). Temple site. Gaya Shãhî Masjid in Nadirganj (1617). Temple site. Kako Dargãh of Bîbî Kamãlo. Temple site. III. MONGHYR DISTRICT Amoljhori Muslim Graveyard. VishNu Temple site. Charuanwan Masjid (1576). Temple site. Kharagpur Masjid (1656-57). Temple site. Masjid (1695-96). Temple site. Monghyr Fort Gates. Temple materials used. Dargãh of Shãh Nafa Chishtî (1497-98). Temple site. IV. MUZAFFARPUR DISTRICT Zaruha, MamûN-BhãNjã-kã-Mazãr. Temple materials used. V. NALANDA DISTRICT Biharsharif Muslim capital built after destroying UdaNDapura which had a famous Buddhist Vihãra. Most of the Muslim monuments were built on the site and from materials of temples. The following are some of them: Dargãh of Makhdûmul Mulk Sharîfud-Dîn. (d. 1380). BaDã Dargãh. Chhotã Dargãh. Bãrãdarî. Dargãh of Shãh Fazlullãh GosãîN. Mazãr of Malik Ibrãhim Bayyû on Pîr PahãDî. Kabîriud-Dîn-kî-Masjid (1353). Mazãr of Sayyid Muhammad Siwistãni. Chhotã Takiyã containing the Mazãr of Shãh Dîwãn Abdul Wahhãb. Dargãh of Shãh Qumais (1359-60). Masjid in Chandpur Mahalla. Jãmi Masjid in Paharpur Mahalla. Parbati , Dargãh of Hãjî Chandar or ChãNd Saudãgar. Temple materials used. Shaikhupura Dargãh of Shykh Sãhib. Temple materials used. VI. PATNA DISTRICT Hilsa Dargãh of Shãh Jumman Madãrîyya (repaired in 1543). Temple site. Masjid. (1604-05). Temple site. Jana Jãmi Masjid (1539). Temple site. Kailvan Dargãh and Masjid. Temple site. Maner All Muslim monuments stand on temple sites. The following are prominent among them: BaDã Dargãh of Sultãnul Makhdûm Shãh Yãhyã Manerî. Dargãh of Makhdûm Daulat Shãh. Jãmi Masjid. Mazãr of Hãjî Nizãmud-Dîn. Muhammadpur, Jãmi Masjid (1510-11). Temple site. Patna Patthar-kî-Masjid (1626). Temple materials used. Begû Hajjãm-kî-Masjid (1510-11). Temple materials used. Muslim Graveyard outside the Qiladari. On the ruins of Buddhist Vihãras. Dargãh of Shãh Mîr Mansûr. On the ruins of a Buddhist Stûpa. Dargãh of Shãh Arzãni. On the site of a Buddhist Vihãra. Dargãh of Pîr Damariyã. On the site of a Buddhist Vihãra. Mirza Mãsûm-kî-Masjid (1605). Temple materials used. Meetan Ghãt-kî-Masjid (1605). Temple site. Katrã Masjid of Shãista Khãn. Temple site. Khwãja Ambar Masjid (1688-89). Temple site. Bãbuganj Masjid (1683-86). Temple site. Sher-Shãhî Masjid near Purab Darwaza. Temple site. Chamnî Ghãt-kî-Masjid. Temple site. Phulwarisharif Dargãh of Shãh Pashmînãposh. Temple site. Dargãh of Minhãjud-Dîn Rastî. Temple site. Dargãh of Lãl Miãn. Temple site. Sangî Masjid (1549-50). Temple site. VII. PURNEA DISTRICT Hadaf Jãmi Masjid. Temple site. Puranea Masjid in Keonlpura. Temple site. VIII. SARAN DISTRICT Chirand Masjid (1503-04). Temple site. Narhan Jãmi Masjid. Temple site. Tajpur-Basahi Mazãr of Khwãja Bãdshãh. Temple materials used. IX. SHAHABAD DISTRICT Rohtasgarh Masjid of Aurangzeb. Part of a temple converted. And there were 200 temples converted to mosque list more but i RU-vid comment section is not capable of talking this much writing

If romila thapar is historian than im a president of usa😂

in India the term ' andhbhakt , has been coined for the people who wants uniform civil code, equal education , ban triple talaq and against sariya law .

I like Pervez Sahab. His expertise is in Physics which I respect. However, his history can , at best, be described as amateurish . Sushruta from 600 BC is legit considered a pioneer in surgery in Western circles. No self-respecting Western Indo -European language expert would ever claim Sanskrit originated in Syria. Also historians who claim that Hindus destroyed buddhist temples fail to name even one such buddhist temple that was destroyed. There is simply no evidence of it. Whereas there are thousands of documented temples (Both hindu and buddhist) that can be specifically named that were destroyed by Turkic invaders including by Mughals (whom he so easily exonerates). History doesn’t seem to be his forte.

Great podcast...however i would differ on the matter of hindutva. 1. Nehru's era the entire subcontinent was engrossed in gaining independence. They had taken away our sense of pride as individuals shaming us on our everything. After that the previous generations were just engrossed in building their lives and their children. We always knew our past but now we are celebrating it and taking pride in it....that pride that was taken away from us by the British...and not just us...the entire subcontinent. Today we say with pride that yea we come from such a glorious and rich past and this is who we are.....but that dosent mean we're looking backwards.....we're moving forward into the future keeping that pride in our heart and knowing where and what we came from. And yea its been more active since PM modi came in power and so have our aspirations, ambitions and economic progress Rahul gandhi cannot speak in hindi properly , bilawal bhutto cannot speak in urdu properly.....they're still hung on that colonial past where as we want to shed that and move forward with our pride as to who we were and are. ONE can never go ahead not knowing who they were

Love for India From Pakistan occupied Sindhudesh

To prof Hoodboy- Romila Thapar's version of history is also challenged these days by other historians....and claiming that 20-30 temples were destroyed by Muslim Rulers....I live in Central India.... I've visited more than 50 temples in my area with defaced idols that included hindu as well as Jain

Hindu Nationalism actually started after 1920 Moplah Massacre where Hindus in Kerala were Massacred because Muslims of the subcontinent wanted a Khilafat in Turkey. Even RSS was started in 1920s and it became hardline after the Moplah Massacre. Also I don't understand this obsession of Pakistanis with Nehru-Gandhi's socialist India which kept India shithole poor, gave up UNSC Permanent Seat, Lost land to China. Plus if they really loved Nehru's India so much why did they separate from Nehru and Gandhi's India? Lol. Modi was not even born during 1947. This is what happens when you only get news from your eco-chambers, completely devoid of opinions from the other side. Why not have a open minded discussion with someone from 'right' wing of India?

My brother is a manager in Dubai and lot pakistanis work under him. I had asked my brother to get a copy yesterday and CANCELLED MY ORDER TODAY AFTER HEARING THIS INTERVIEW.

Pakistan experience brushes past the hindu dharmic concepts in a rather superficial way and then extrapolate it conveniently. If you want a rather scientific and informative discussion on the topic, please invite prof. Dr. Subhash Kak and invite prof. Hoodbhoy to ask questions. Dr. Kak would end the debate once and for all and would enlighten you and the audience.

If your facts are coming from Romila Thappar, then you have already lost the argument. Marxist Historian of India 😂😂

FYI Sushruta, The first ever plastic surgeon was indian

56:21 Sanskritham is very much from Indian Sub-continent Land. Its evolutionary linguistic pattern which from early Brahmi to Post Rig Vedic , Palli , Paninian or even Classical Gandhara ( or even basic Shivagana Sanskritham ) shows how much the script and language was used and eventually assimilating and being alive in every single existential Indian Languages till today. Self claimed Podcaster + Scientist doesn't have the ground level research despite having SINDH Geographical Land. Sanskritham was used from Gandhara to Kanyakumari and even from Kashmir to today's Burma. Even Tibet has been distinct Sanskrith however with Indian consonants attached.

In the land of blind Muslim Pakistanis, one-eyed Hoodbhoy is king 😄 Indian liberandus be like, "might be one-eyed, par sabko ek ankh se to dekhta hai" 😅

Dr Hoodbhoy Sir here is quoting Romila thapar. The great "Historian" of ancient indian history who cant read and write Sanskrit, Tamil,Pali etc the languages which has most manuscript of ancient india.😅

Just one comment as said by Sir.. That Pakistan started 1965 war by operation gibralter to take kashmir.. But in the end it was stelemate nd pakistan couldn't achieve any of its motive so technically India did win that war..

What is the name of the book and how can we buy it? Is its pdf available online?

Excellent scientific mind - opens up new venues for students of all ages, creeds, etc if the mind is not closed to learn from the experiences of others. Dr Hoodbhoy's declaration of his political tilt is very refreshing and makes me less despondent for the future. Thank you for enlightening us with the Dr's book, thoughts and opinions.

Can’t help the feeling that the professor is ignorant of India’s rich scientific and cultural legacy and also downplayed the destruction of Hindu heritage like the burning of Kalinga university or the destruction of many and not just a few temples. To this extent it was disappointing.

I would highly recommend you to have podcast with Dr K K Mohammad (Archeologist) on Indian history including Hinduism

India's right wing was expecting more from you Mr. Hoodbhoy

Indian imposed Hindi even in South India but did not stop the development of regional languages. Slowly Hindi spread in the whole of india. Local cultures need to be encouraged.

Hinduism is the oldest religion in the world (2500BCE) around 5000 years ago. It is 'older' than Islam (7th Century) and Pakistan (20th Century). Kashmir was predominantly ruled by Hindu kings until the 14th century when Islam (Mughal Empire) began to spread in the region.

Lol ...he quoted romila Thapar😂😂😂‼️ even Syed muzzamil has similar knowledge 😂😂😂‼️‼️

Is this book available on Amazon?

I've been watching Mr Hoodbhoy for 20 years now. He's one of my favourite speakers. Very intelligent & articulated man.

As an Indian , I can only say that no one would like to captain a sinking ship . The youth of pak needs to take power in their hands .When the spark comes from there leaders mindset will automatically change . Jai Hind 🕉

Shehzad, you are excellent. You have shown that Sir Pervez is not a Historian. He is a great Physicist, not a Historian!

Thank you very much Jinnah uncle. Otherwise this kind of non history oriented guys would be our top intellectuals. Dil se shukriya!

I feel the pain in Mr Hoodbhoys voice. He is watching his country crumble before his eyes. Indians shouldn't be arrogant. Stay humble and work hard and remove poverty. It will take another 20 years.

I have huge respect for Mr Hoodbhoy, he is one of the most pragmatic voices coming out of the subcontinent. I have to admit I directly jumped to the India part and am compulsively reacting so apologies in advance. I am in complete agreement that there is a massive movement in India to revisit historical narratives and have a relook at the question What it means to be an Indian ? But the disdain and contempt with which this topic was dealt in the podcast comes out of share colonial hangover and wokeism. The attitude that all religious history is bogus and jo angrez bolke gaya usiko man ke chalo. Any progressive society would naturally want to have more clarity on where one has come from. With time we would be in a position to identify fantasies from truth and scientifically validate a more plural, representative and factually appropriate history. But to associate ill motive and brush everyone with the same colour is reflective of innate bias that many liberals across the world suffer from. Yes a Hindu did conduct plastic surgery much before it was done in the west, yes there are scriptures detailing out the design of flying planes called vimanshastras. At the same time it is true that lot of Indian uncles on whatsapp keep sharing posts that the world starts and ends with Hindus but a true liberal endeavour would never cancel the urge to explore the former with the stupidity of later. As far as benevolence of Muslim Rulers towards Hindus is considered Mrs Meenakshi Jain beautifully debunks various narratives in the podcast at Vaad another of my favourite podcast along with TPE:) here is the link please hear it and if possible bring her to ur show. Shezad bhai remember Indian subcontinent has a 4500-5000 year old history anyone talking in absolutes quoting Western researchers should always be looked with a sense of suspicion. I hope you will explore this area and not let this whitewashing of history be taken as a matter of fact. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-fWUWmYRfurg.html

New theory form Bhikaristhan; Sanskrit is a Syrian language 😀😀😀 Madrasachap, check the recent archaeological evidence found in Sanuli and Hisar, Haryana, which dates back 4000 years.

Been looking forward to this for a very long time!

The way Dr sahab is speaking driving proudly and same destination has been designed by capabilities and capacity

Dr. Hoodbhoy needs to look at the history beyond Romila Thapar. I read Thapar in college, a lot of her theories got dismissed after Rakhigarhi excavations carbon dating. Her lack of knowledge of Sanskrit led to several flaws in her theorisation, which are available, another thing she is quite bad at is understanding geography for a holistic view of history, Land of 7 rivers and the ocean of churn by S. Sanyal give a different and more scientific perspective.

One thing he is absolutely right about is that there is no future for Ahmadis in Pakistan. Nor for any other minority . Very sad!

Actually Zinnah was very ambitious and he realised that he wouldn't become the head of combined India as Gandhi was favouring Nehru to be the head of Nation. This is why he in order to meet his own goal demanded a separate muslim state. It was a historical blunder to demand a state on the basis of religion.

'Haan mandir tode lekin itne jyaada nahi tode'. This is so called sane voice of Pak. Go read the documents and see how many were destroyed. Millions if not more, from Afg to Pak to India (esp. North India).

56:00😂😂😂 Exactly for minute I thought they are intellectual 😂😂😂😂no they are pakistanis😂😂😂😂

Following points in response, regarding sanskrit, hindu planes, and Hindutva ( short for why don't they take it all lying down). All of the following points are verifiable. 1. The Prof. is probably talking about the Mittani empire (around 1500 BCE), which was ruled by Sanskrit speaking indo Aryans. The proof that a Sanskrit manual for horse rearing was found there does not mean it originated there. There is nothing before and after that. 2. Zoroastrian Avesta written in the Zend language (today's Iran) is very close phonetically to Sanskrit. (Run a search on the similarities, you will be surprised). Sanskrit is indo Aryan but using one sanskrit text found in Syria does not prove, it originated there when you have nothing else. Also since only the mittani elite spoke it, all the more reason that it was not local to the region. Also Indo European does not mean European. Lol. 3. Plastic surgeries are described in a book called Sushruta Samhita. (Ist millennium BCE) The professor just needs to google Sushruta. I mean the Royal Australian College of Surgeons in Melbourne has his statue attributing him as father of surgery. Doing on your research on this is easy but calling it fake is easier, I guess. 4. Nobody claims Indian scientists developed planes. But the idea has been discussed in Hindu religious thought. Few of our demi-god's were supposed to have some rides. Ramayana mentions a plane , vimana in Sanskrit, that Ravana used to ride, named Pushpak. But that's not attributed to normal humans. 5. The prof should look at bhaskara 1, bhaskara ll, aryabhatta, Mahavira, varahamihira. Look at what they were working on and when they were working on it. Also, just look at the Kerala School of Mathematics. Just google. None of this is fake news. Guess what they were not doing? Translating greek and roman work. 5. Hindus take pride in their history except it is actually their's (and yours). They also reform their culture and religion with time. You do not own the Indus Valley Civilization, the Takshashila University, Chanakya, Puru (Porus in Greek) and Basant but take pride in the borrowed names, attire, language, culture and value system. Taking pride in your own history and culture is different than taking pride in the borrowed history of your invaders, are different things and should not be compared. 6. Professor says India is improving in science but it is not America. Lol, what? Have some perspective, Prof. It can't be America in such a short time after 1000 years of colonization. We are on a journey and one day we will lead the world of business and science, that's the goal. If the prof does not like that, guess he will have to deal with it. 7. Savarkar wrote a book on Hindutva. Savarkar also said, I am a Hindu because you are a Muslim. Hindutva is a reactionary movement. If not for the Islamic invasions and subversion, Hindutva had no need. Hindutva has an external locus, is not expansionist outside the subcontinent, has no divine call behind it, all unlike Islam. The reason you see a large portion of the subcontinent still hindu after 700 years of Islamic rule is Hindutva. For context Persia was converted in 20 years. 8. About the Islamic rulers of India and their love for Hindus. They did what happened in Arabia 1400 years ago to Kaffirs. They did it with confidence when they could, citing sunnah. When they couldn't, they took it back as well. (See Maratha Empire 1759 , Sikh Empire and the jaat kingdom of Surajmal. All in all, I would say that Hoodbhoy is a gem, criminally under-utilized by Pakistan in Physics and mathematics. I would always respect a scientist who went to the alma mater of the great Claude E Shannon. But butchered the job as far as Indian history is concerned.

Pervez bhai and prof Ishtiyaq are arguably the best scholars pakistan have. Bahut mohabbat, Pervez bhai, Amritsar se. Podcast wale bhai sahab ka mujhe naam nahi pata since I'm new to the channel but this guy has immense potential, asks all the right and tough questions. Very articulate.

He is meant to be one of the best intellectual in Pakistan.. and he is saying shit like "Sanskrit zabaan arbi se ha" " muslmaan se pehle hindu nhi the " "romila thapar bhut badi historian ha" "hindutva esa ha vesa ha " leaves you with no wonder that why pakistan is in this condition that it is in today lol .

Honestly the starting sentence has perfectly demonstrated the colonial mindset under which Pakistani jingoism and mixed fusion of military feudalism destroyed local history and youths of this country. Such a shame we are continuously watching this destruction, unable to raise our voices.

There is a statue dedicated to the ancient Indian physician-surgeon Sushruta , at Royal Australian College of Surgeons in Melbourne. He is the first documented surgeon in the world and considered as Father of surgery and a pioneer of plastic surgery. Coming to destruction of temples, you just have to temples in Karnataka every statue has the arms and limbs cut and nose chipped. Not only in India, if you go to turkey and Egypt you can see the Christian paintings underneath the Islamic paintings. Thousands of temples was destroyed or converted to mosques. Converted Muslims hate their ancestors because of their Islamic ideology.

Sanskrit Syria se ati hai. Mandir tode hain par itne bhi nahi tode hai… Bhai bhai.. At 19.50 he appreciates and says that Ben Gurion says that this state will be a state for Jews , they will prosper and their identity will be Jew but will be a modern secular state and nothing is wrong. Then at 48.00 onwards he mocks India ancient culture and history and their identity. But then Al Barony came to learn Sanskrit, Mathematics and took zero to Arabia. 53.00 onwards he goes on saying how India is changing. Nehru India was different and all this Hindu nonsense and ancient wisdom claims about plastic surgery, science etc etc came only after BJP and Hindutva. They are building a new India on the basis of Hindu identity. (So ok with Ben Gurion) Then at 1.01 onwards about India ….. agar aap cultural pride ko is tarah se istemal karte hain ek mulk ki khushhali ke liye…… ham to chahte hain sab khushhal ho. Hame bhi APNE ACHIEVEMENT hain uspe fakar karna chahiye PAR PAHLE ACHIEVEMENTS TO HONI CHAHIYE. (So cultural pride and achievements are there for India) Full of contradictions….

Humanity is above all religions, ❤️ from India . Interesting opinion of an educated Pakistani.

Till few years back we thought that our history starts with Mughals and British people. Now we are getting more information about our true history and that is good actually for our future generations. We don’t want to be like Pakistanis whose history starts from 1947. We are a country of rich culture and traditions.

Romila Thapar he quoted 😂😂 even jokers don't use her book.

4500 year old BHAGWAN RAM 's image has been found carved into a cliff in IRAQ next they will say RAM was from iraq shivling and other hindu ruins ,sculptures have been found in every corner of the world it just goes to show that indian culture was widely spread

Just to clarify …Buddhist never have temples …they have monestries. Being from north east India I can say that Hindus pay as much respect to monestries as they do for their own temple

Indians taking due pride in their ancient scriptures, culture, spiritual traditions , architectural achievements, governance system and so on is is definitely a very positive phenomenon . Professor sahab may be well aware of activities , research and monograms published by various Royal Aseatic Societies , scholarly contributions by dozen or more famous indologists like Max Muller and others ! Even the Discovery of India written by JL Nehru is also an work in revival of our ancient legacy . More so the couple of dozen Hindu Philosophers like Swami Vivekananda , Maharshi Dayanand , Jiddu Krishnmurti and so many in regional language have revived this spirit . Professor Saheb perhaps doesn't have enough time to take an insightful perspective ! Due to this shortcomings he has taken somewhat narrow view of Hindutva ! Still we can respect him for his scholarship and commitment to the society .

When Jinnah met Shiekh Abdullah in 1944 he warned him about Hindu Congress. Shiekh Abdullah questioned him how two parts more than a thousand miles apart could remain together . Both proved right as Abdullah was arrested only 9 years later and Eastern part separated in 1971.

From India, love the cast.... Very sane

1:03:15 Adani ne 100 billon$ ki chori ki hai .... Bhai sab har cheez ko halwa smjh rkha hai 😂😂😂😂

Dr Pervez Hoodboy being so intellectual but still being ignorant is awful. I am 100% sure he didn't even researched about the first surgeon claim. Just to make you clear the first surgeon reference is to "Sushruta" and he is considered to be the father of surgery by many. So, Shezad the highly intellectual and intelligent beings you and Dr Pervez are I hope you will get familiar with word "ignorance".

It looks like more Indians are watching the podcast than pakistanis.

Hindutva.. people who live in India irrespective of religion..

The idea that "sab kahi na kahi se aye hai" is correct that every human has come from Africa and migrated 60,000 years ago but this idea that everybody has by come by invasions is factually wrong. Civilization thrived in India and many groups came to India through Trade and for better climate. Whereas Mughals and many others invaded and looted India. Only two dozen temples destroyed is also completely false for the matter of fact only Somnath temple alone was destroyed 17 times or so. The no. temples destroyed is in hundreds. Another thing that many facts can be backed by some proves and texts because your favorite Islamic invaders destroyed many teachings places with thousands of books burnt and lots of our land's knowledge lost forever. If you have to go further just look what Aurangzeb did to Sikhs. Some Hindu rulers destroyed Many Buddhists monasteries, and nobody celebrates them. Mughals are tyrants and they should be represented by one and not to be celebrated. In the last I would say that hatred towards Muslim or Islam shouldn't be spread on the name Mughals or any other invader and rejoice Muslims like Dr A.P.J Abdul Kalam which are the role models for everyone in India either Hindu or Muslim. Just to add few more like Azim Premji, Abdul Hamid, Zakir Hussain, Shah Rukh Khan and many more.

So doing medical science in native language like Hindi etc is "khatrey ki nishani" 😂

Great podcast. In the future can you please add english captions? By that i mean urdu written in english.

At least Mr Hoodboy is not apologetic muslim like Ishtiaq Ahmed. I appreciate your knowledge and vision. Salam from a Muslim of India.

Let me give you some example on hindu influence on so called islamic science. The origin of the number zero and the place-value system notably falls into this period; its early use originates in Indian mathematics of the 5th century (Lokavibhaga), influencing Sassanid era Persian scholars during the 6th century The sudden Islamic conquest of Persia in the 640s drove a wedge between the Mediterranean and Indian traditions, but scholarly transfer soon resumed, with translations of both Greek and Sanskrit works into Arabic during the 8th century. This triggered the flourishing of abbasid-era scholarship centered in Baghdad in the 9th century, and the eventual resumption of transmission to the west via Muslim Spain and Sicily by the 10th century. There was continuing contact between Indian and Perso-Arabic scholarship during the 9th to 11th centuries while the Muslim conquest of India was temporarily halted. Al Biruni in the early 11th century traveled widely in India and became an important source of knowledge about India in the Islamic world during that time.[2] With the establishment of the Delhi Sultanate in the 13th century, northern India fell under Perso-Arabic dominance and the native Sanskrit tradition fell into decline, while at about the same time the "Golden Age of Islam" of the Arab caliphates gave way to Turko-Mongol dominance, leading to the flourishing of a secondary "Golden Age" of Turko-Persian literary tradition during the 13th to 16th centuries, exemplified on either side of Timurid Persia by the Ottoman Empire in the west and the Mughal Empire in the east The etymology of the word "sine" comes from the Latin mistranslation of the word jiba, which is an Arabic transliteration of the Sanskrit word for half the chord, jya-ardha.[7] The sin and cos functions of trigonometry, were important mathematical concepts, imported from the Gupta period of Indian astronomy namely the jyā and koṭi-jyā functions via translation of texts like the Aryabhatiya and Surya Siddhanta, from Sanskrit to Arabic, and then from Arabic to Latin, and later to other European languages. Al-Khowarizmi (ca. 840) contributed a work on algebra and an account of the Hindu-Arabic numerals including the use of zero as a place-holder...the history of early Hindu mathematics has always presented considerable problems for the West...it is still not possible to form a clear picture of either method or motivation in Hindu mathematics...this, together with the absence of any formalised proof structure, militated against continuous mathematical development...much of the Hindu approach to mathematics was certainly conveyed to western Europe through Arabs. The Algebraic method formerly considered to have been invented by Al Khowarizimi can now be seen to stem from Hindu sources. The place-value system involving the use of nine numerals and a zero as place-holder is undoubtedly of Hindu origin and its transmission to the West had a profound influence on the whole course of mathematics. [9] As in the rest of mathematical science so in Trigonometry, were the Arabs pupils of the Hindus and still more of the Greeks, but not without important devices of their own.[10] For over five hundred years Arabic writers and others continued to apply to works on arithmetic the name Indian.[11] Another important early treatise that publicized decimal numbers was the Iranian mathematician and astronomer Kushyar ibn Labban's leading arithmetic book Kitab fi usul hisab al-hind (principals of Hindu reckoning).[12] Abu'l-Hasan al-Uqlidisi a scholar in the Abbasid caliphate wrote al-Fusul fi al-Hisab al-Hindi ("chapters in Indian calculation") to address the difficulty in procedures for calculation from the Euclid's Elements and endorsed the use of Indian calculation. He highlighted its ease of use, speed, fewer requirements of memory and the focused scope on the subjec Manka, an Indian physician at the court of Harun al-Rashid translated the Sushruta (the classical (Gupta-era) Sanskrit text on medicine) into Persian. A large number of Sanskrit medical, pharmacological and toxicological texts were translated into Arabic under the patronage of Khalid, the vizier of Al-Mansur. Khalid was the son of a chief priest of a Buddhist monastery at Balkh. Some of his family was killed when the Arabs captured Balkh; others including Khalid survived by converting to Islam. They were to be known as the Barmakids of Baghdad who were fascinated by the new ideas from India. Indian medical knowledge was given a further boost under the Caliph Harun al Rashid (788-809) who ordered the translation of Susruta Samhita into Arabic.[15] We know of Yahya ibn Khalid al Barmaki (805) as a patron of physicians and, specifically, of the translation of Hindu medical works into both Arabic and Persian. In all likelihood however, his activity took place in the orbit of the caliphate court in Iraq, where at the behest of Harun al Rashid (786-809), such books were translated into Arabic. Thus Khurasan and Transoxania were effectively bypassed in this transfer of learning from India to Islam, even though, undeniably the Barmakis cultural outlook owed something to their land of origin, northern Afghanistan, and Yahya al Barmaki's interest in medicine may have derived from no longer identifiable family tradition.[16] The Caraka Saṃhitā was translated into Persian and subsequently into Arabic by Abd-Allah ibn Ali in the ninth century.[17] Probably the first Islamic hospital (Bimaristan or Maristan) was established in Baghdad Yahya ibn Khalid ibn Barmak, tutor and subsequently vizier of Harun al-Rashid when the latter became Khalif in 786. Yahya ibn Khalid ibn Barmak's hospital, usually referred to as the Barmakid Hospital must have been established before 803, the year in which the Barmakid family fell from power. The hospital is mentioned in two places in the Fihrist which was written in 997. Ibn Dahn, Al Hindi, who administered the Bimaristan of the Barmak. He translated from the Indian language into Arabic. Yahya ibn Khalid ordered Mankah (Kankah), the Indian, to translate it (an Indian book of medicine) at the hospital to render it in the form of a compilation.[18] Al-Razi's Al-Hawi (liber continens) of c. 900 is said to contain "much Indian knowledge" from texts such as the Susruta Samhita.[19] The Indian geographical knowledge that was transmitted and influenced the Arabs included the view of Aryabhata that the apparent daily rotation of the heavens was caused by the rotation of the earth on its own axis, the idea that the proportion of land and sea on the surface of the earth was half and half and the land mass as being dome shaped and covered on all sides by water. The Arabs utilized the Indian cartographic system in which the northern hemisphere was considered to be the inhabited part of the earth and divided into nine parts. Its four geographical limits were djamakut in the east, rum in the west, Ceylon as the cupola (dome) and Sidpur. Indians believed that the prime meridian passes through ujjain and calculated their longitudes from Ceylon. The Arabs adopted this idea of Ceylon's being the cupola of the earth but later mistakenly believed ujjain to be the cupola So all of this was hindu influence on so called Islamic science. So now you can see the difference between Pakistanis claims on great Pakistani civilization and hindutv claim on great indian hindu civilization. You can't hold two of them on same page because hindu were one of the greatest civilization of all time which everyone excepts. Except the pakistani liberals and extremmist as well..

Parvez hoodbhoy at best is a physics seeker.. but as a culture specialist or historian, he is not even mediocore.

@thepakistanexperience thank for this podcast, it was very honest and well produced! Being an Indian , it was an eye opener episode for me and looking forward to listen to your future podcasts.

How to Extract Zing any idea ?

Don't you think that Pervej Hoodbay has prejudice about Modi and Hindutva??