There is probably a generational thing happening here too. The old-timers who came up in the 60s-80s probably had more of a style vs style mentality. "Is Goju-Ryu better than Shotokan"? That crap was all over Black Belt Magazine, etc. Now, especially with MMA, I think people have a better sense of what works and what doesn't, and the style-vs-style stuff is less prominent.
Jiu Jitsu Judo rivalry is RU-vid warriors that don't even train. My Dojo that I train at is a Jiu Jitsu Academy with a separate Judo Academy (club). Completely separate programs. Classes run at the same time on different floors of the dojo. Gracie Academy Philadelphia, home to El Idrissi Judo Academy. I cross train Judo class all the time and really enjoy the openness of the Judo students. It's great to learn and exchange Judo techniques against real skilled Judo players and not to just practice 'Judo moves' in Jiu Jitsu class. The Judo students have also matriculated into the Jiu Jitsu classes to work on their ground fluidity. I'm blessed!
Judo black belt here and I personally love when my Bjj brothers that come in to cross train show up. It's a great challenge to my newaza and to their stand-up. It helps us all get better and that's the goal!!!!
Judoka at the end of my competitive career here. I am REALLY looking forward to talking up BJJ. Huge respect for the art. Those who train at the state level and up in judo truly understand bjj and judo go hand in hand! (Especially when you've competed and lost against a proficient judoka on the ground when he's had extensive cross training experience in bjj!)
Ι see more rivalry between bjj styles,gyms than bjj vs judo.Even gracies have rivalry between them ronion vs carley, Carlson vs reyson and even now with Ralph, renzo take his side while carlo sr not. Gracie JJ and traditional judo have a lot in common for me the stand up the self defence moves the philosophy,even sambo is close when we talk about self defence the sport is another story.
Having trained several years in both Judo and BJJ, I've noticed that there is a culture of animosity in Judo against BJJ, but the reverse is not true at all. BJJ schools tend to appreciate Judo for all it is and critique it for its limits, which is fine. But Judokas generally assume that BJJ is just a deficient form of Judo. As BJJ becomes more standardized and meanstream, this will disappear.
Hi, Ryan. I have some questions - Does your team have to register with the IJF to do Judo tournaments? Do you use separate belts and Judo Gi's for Judo or do you end up using the bjj belts, Gi's and just list the class as Judo on the schedule. As far as I know Judo only allows blue and white Gi's but it seems at Kama, any color Gi is acceptable? Do you promote students to green belt or let them barrow green belts and above for any Ne-Waza Judo tournaments in order to execute submissions legally? Last Question, what differentiates your team from the guys at the Gracie Academy in Torrance? Seems they have mandatory white Gi's, ways to track your classes/progress world wide but mostly the same focus on jiu-jitsu overall being self-defense orientated. Thank you!
I actively train both BJJ and Judo, and I've experienced this myself quite a bit. However, this rivalry has been pretty one sided. My BJJ groups, I train at multiple gyms, are generally pretty open to everything. My experience in Judo has always had the feeling that I'm getting looked down on. I used to teach a BJJ class in another Judo Club from where I train now, and every class with the higher ranked Judoka was mostly spent with the Judoka trying to contradict everything I said or telling me that this is the same in Judo even though the technique I was teaching is illegal in Judo. And they hated that I used BJJ terminology and etiquette instead of Judo rei. Those same people would then get submitted in every sparring round. Honestly, in the end it just felt like a bunch of butt hurt because I dared do something different.
I’m a black belt in Japanese jujitsu and a green belt in judo. And all my years in Japanese jujitsu I heard the same thing about BJJ and GJJ (Gracie Jiu Jitsu) from JJJ guys/black belts. They would say things like BJJ isn’t real jujitsu and they can’t fight or defend themselves in the street. Once I left JJJ and went into Judo it was my Judo instructor who turned me onto BJJ. His reasoning for it was because BJJ’s Ne Waza (ground fighting) was the best in the world. But he believes in learning both Judo and BJJ because 90% of fights do end up on the ground. But 100% start standing up. Every Judo and BJJ school I’ve visited always shown a lot of respect towards each other.
I left judo because of those individuals, started BJJ and stumble with the same kind of individuals. Who is the bettervor superior style? In my opinion none. I have seen judokas wipe the mat with Bjj guys(my self included) and i have seen Bjj guys wipe the mat with judokas(also my self included) is like ryan clearly explains in this video the problem is certain individuals on both sides that cant let go of there ego. Great video sir
As a Judoka, whats always bothered me is BJJ guys thinking their art is better than Judo and wrestling because it wins in Bjj rules which protect against slams and use mats etcetera, which is something I have seen on the internet. On the other hand, Judo is so flipping watered down that I wouldn't blame a BJJ guy for having 0 respect for it. You mentioned in your video that Judo guys roll through throws giving their back basically everytime, and then this is trained in nearly every Judo dojo. It seems that whatever is best at scoring points in watered down olympic judo is what nearly every Judo dojo, and you are super lucky to find a Judo dojo that does any sef defense based stuff.
I could be wrong but it seems the best way for exposure is to enter all the big tournaments. That's where all the eyes are. So for example if rickson can personally select a special competition team to dominate the ibbjf and submission only tournaments . I think people will be forced to gravitate towards it. Like you said before the average joe loves seeing trophies and medals . So if they see only self defense teams are taking them then it's over. Could be wrong but just my opinion . Thanks
I tried both when I wanted to learn self defense but stuck with judo- I felt like those throws would be devastating for someone in an altercation. Also, I am pretty small so I couldn't get a guy to the ground if I focused mostly on the ground.
Judo and BJJ are siblings. There are similarities and a lot of differences, but they compliment each other so well. Cross train. Learn it all. Get choked! Have fun!
Hello professor Ryan how are things? Thank you immensely for answering my question. I hope I did not offend anyone from either the jiu-jitsu or judo community. I asked the question, based on what I have encountered here in Australia, as well as what I have come across on the social media, martial arts forums and so forth. Those elderly men that were rebuking you, make me laugh do they themselves not know, or realise that judo itself stems from Japanese jujutsu 😁? That aside I cannot believe the arrogance of that Brazilian jiu-jitsu instructor, who had so many students, at the tournament that you and professor Dave had attended with your students. Martial arts is meant to be about respect, humility, integrity and honour! Not about antagonism, nepotism, as well as mocking and insolence. I am glad to see that you allow the young kids at your school, to take part in judo tournaments. Also it is good to see, that you allow judo to also be taught at your school, so that your students can cross train, learning both the benefits of Brazilian jiu-jitsu, along with the equally valuable skills, that judo has to offer. You sounded slightly unwell. I hope that you will get well soon. I really enjoyed this video segment. I agree entirely with you, people should live their ego at the door, be humble and respectful. Be open minded and learn something useful and beneficial from another art. Especially in the case of Brazilian jiu-jitsu and judo, which both arts seem not only beneficial to one another, but also quite compatible. May you get well soon, as always wishing you, your family and your students, all the best, Osu! 👍 ☺ ✌
I feel like people aren't honest and just take every chance to bag on BJJ and pretend that Judo is flawless. Judo is great but I'm just saying I've only ever had people go flat on their stomach and wait if they came from judo first. Both styles encourage a certain style of play but they need each other if we're going to beat those filthy strikers haha! (Just jokes folks)
I’ve trained at Pedro‘s judo Center in Massachusetts for a number of years as well as BJJ at another school. My opinion is combat wise you develop a lot of bad habits with Judo. Additionally there is the us and them mentality un Judo from the recreational players and the Olympic hopefuls. So as you say no matter where you go there is rivalry
Judo is usually more accessible for us poor kids because it's usually run by the nonprofit whereas Jitz costs half of some of our rent. I think jitz is more effective, it's just not a realistic pursuit for many of us who weren't born into money.
Born into money?! Such the victim. I had a single divorced mom raise me who never worked a position higher than a company bookkeeper. I wanted to train, so I worked my ass off to afford GM Relson’s group class tuition plus a weekly private at his garage. Born into money... please.
I believe the story is that the Kodokan at one time recognized Helio Gracie as a 7th dan, but I don't know how truthful that is. Mitseo Maeda who taught his older brother who was a judoka. So Gracie Jiu-Jitsu is a derivative of the original Kano Judo. I don't know that Rickson Gracie ever earned a judo black belt though he did enter several judo tournaments to my understanding. It was not unusual for the sons of Helio Gracie to compete in judo tournaments.
AH! i gotcha now! lol, yeah. not even two seconds thought on the background. it's a strip mall at one of the Starbucks locations i work out of, and it was a quiet part of the parking lot. truck stop, huh? you just gave me another idea... Buc-ees!
We have a lot of Judokas who are butthurt and jealous of BJJs growing popularity. Both arts come from the same family aka Japanese Jiu Jitsu at the end of the day
Ive rolled with both. And personally id be way more cautious to fight a Judoka on the street than a Bjj guy. There stand up is pretty close to that of a wrestler.
Mililani hongwanji judo, when I was training there, they would bring in everybody to work with us. If they could help improve our grappling we worked with you. Wrestling guys work on our base and scrambling drills. One our senses was a guard at halawa, his son was a brown belt at o2, would work with us on newaza. I did 5 years there. Fat ass 30 year old trying to keep up with the high school kids. Fun times
Correct rickson learn under George Mehdi (10 Dan in kodokan and teach 10 years kosen judo in Japan also help a lot in development of bjj with the teachniques that bring from japan) roger and a lot more have bb in judo along rolls and Carlson gracies
@@oneguy7202 I knew about Rickson, but I believe Royler also has a BB in judo, and possibly Relson, not sure about Royce or Robin, and Saulo Ribeiro who trained under Royler also has his judo bklackbelt
@@prodigypenn actually the most Gracie cross trained but they dont compete or they dont reference on that for propaganda reasons even helio did cacc with dudu, and judo with Sato and some others. Rolls and Carlson compete/croos train in judo,freestyle folkstyle wrestling, sambo. I read rolls did karate, and carlo and George Gracie won a boxing tournament back on 1920.
@@oneguy7202 I don't know about propaganda, since it is fairly well known that many of the old school BJJ guys also trained judo, In fact I remember Royler and Rickson both stating they were blackbelts in Judo when I "met" them.
YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS? STORM THEIR FUCKING GYMS AND SHOW THEM WHOS BOSS, bjj aint about bullshit honnor and blablabla, its about savage brazillian dudes showing other guys whos boss.
i dont see so much rivalry between bjj vs judo , judo developped as an olympique sport , thats what Kano sensei wanted , so the rules are adapt to that , but there are still judo beasts out there , change the rules and it will look different . there as been some changes now , more allowed ground work whitch changes the game a lot we see many judokas at a very high level newaza in competition . so bjj guys beware we are getting closer , and maybe bjj guys can benefit of our powerful throws and be better at the standing game . we should work together ,after all we have the same roots .
