This happened to Hbox against Jmook. And a bunch of people were calling hgod grimy for asking Jmook if he could get a new controller and he should have just automatically lost the set
Such a cool tournament only to have the mood changed by this at the end. But if I was a top 10 player I would never be playing with just 1 controller. I would always have a back up but I am also weird about stuff and always have a back up of everything. Anyways if people did not watch this tournament the whole thing was hilarious and was ran REALLY well. The only bad thing I saw was during the hbox zain salty suite, game 9 last stock twitch ran ads. Which might have been twitches fault and not productions fault but other than that it was an awesome tournament and I cant wait to see the next one.
after thinking about it bc i've seen this before, I think the requirements for a controller are just too high nowadays for people to be able to carry multiple, given that the controllers they use are hundreds of dollars and can't just be bought like candy. and i'm assuming people aren't really going to be happy downgrading to an unmodded OEM, especially fox players.
@@samnsamole9448 Phobs have gotten really cheap and consistent especially if you build them yourself. I just built my first phob literally last night and my god is this thing broken. But I havent even done anything to it aside from basic calibration. Its literally just the phob board with hall effect sticks in a normal shell without notches. Anyways for zain its a bit different since he uses and oem because it makes pivots better or something for marth(?) and every OEM is pretty different. but for jmook I think having even just a basic phob as back up wouldn't hurt. But I really dont know I am not jmook or anywhere near that level.
@@x9x9x9x9x9 didn't you could build a phob without being a super controller person. Did you need much knowledge? There a guide you followed or something?
@@Emperorerror There is a guide with a parts list and a Discord to ask questions in. You need to be able to use a soldering iron and program an Arduino/Teensy but honestly it's not that hard due to how detailed the guide is.
@@Bieks1I would understand if they were high school kids with a part time job of a lawn mower but they are paid professionals that literally play the game for living. Getting spare controllers should be just as necessary as having spare kitchen knives for cooking as a pro chef.
@@chippukumikyoku7267 Then you need to work on your capacity for understanding because pro players in this game don't make shit. Definitely not enough to comfortably spend several hundreds on a controller you don't actively use. And also carrying something of significant value around that you're not using is just added liability. Normally what you would say make sense but you ignore the price of these tools, and it's too significant to just be able to ignore.
@@Bieks1 They're grown men. Their phones cost a lot more than a controller, or a pair of controllers. Don't even try to make excuses. There's no reason in any reality where a top pro player shouldn't have a back up controller.
This is SF4 evo vibes. Where is was last game of a hype set, and there was a pcb that died on a fight stick. Being there live you can feel the disappointment in the room. I can only imagine how they zain and jmook felt.
@@lukerose4166 even if the advantages are good, $350 for a controller that can break after just a month or 2 of usage is NOT worth in the slightest lmao
@@BladeVoltz When you’re a professional player, any advantage is worth it. It makes your tech skill 10x more consistent, at the price of occasionally shitting the bed. Normally pros keep extras. Jmook had the bad luck of his extra and his default doing this in one tournament. That’s just bad luck. These are top 5 players. $300 every few months is worth it to them. And I doubt most of them pay full price. I bet modders discount it, and they get to advertise that they made x pros controller for y tournament win For players like Leffen, Mango, Zain, Jmook, they all have sponsorships, and there’s a good chance that these sponsors pay for controllers too. It can also be a tax write off, as a business expense lmao
@@lukerose4166 either way, those faulty ass controllers ain’t worth. Imagine having to worry about it breaking literally anytime you’re using it, especially in tournament. Like whoever makes these things NEEDS to be put out of business lmao
@@BladeVoltznintendo?? you're modding their 20 yr old controllers. obviously theres going to be issues occasionally no matter how good your modder is 💀💀💀💀💀
@@TheBeggies95 What legitimately makes you think rectangle is cheating? Ironically, they actually have MORE limitations. For example, GCC is allowed to have special desync notches for ICs, while those angles are banned on box. You can also have perfect wavedash notches, while box is not legally allowed to even come close. Box also has only 3 wavedash angles, less walk speed control, and more predictable recovery. That's not to say no nerfs are warranted, but quit Johning.
People complain about Boxx but the fact that they don't have issues like this as common says something. I would be devastated if my GCC broke during tournament
Even regular gcc go through these problems it's not just phob this has happened to me in grand finals of my school tournament and it does suck but I had a nice friend that let me use his for the rest of the games
Why so? These are some of the most abused controllers in the world, if not the most abused. They are bound to have issues at some point. I just can't believe he didn't have a spare. Every pro should have one.
@@RipleySawzenFirst of all, GameCube controllers break or malfunction all of the time with minimal use. Even modded ones. Second, the controllers these guys use are a minimum of 300 dollars per controller. It's not like there's a lot of money in Melee. That's too expensive to have a bunch of spares, especially when several high end controllers are on a wait list.
@@tetermcI understand that they arent rich but they should at least bring 1 extra controller in case something like this happens. It'd be dumb not to.
@@tetermc a top ten Melee player can easily afford to spend $1000 on two controllers, especially when not having a back up just potentially cost him, what, $1500? Especially since he has a sponsor, and can almost certainly write any controller purchase off on his taxes.
The stage was set for a brilliant grand finals, it's really sad it had to go down like this after they were both playing so well in the matches prior. Was a really amazing top 8 but it's always gonna have this ugly asterisk on it, real shame.
The problem is these controllers literally help you play infinitely better than on a regular controller. If you don’t have a controller like these, you are playing with a handicap.
regular controllers break more often and have more inconsistencies. Phobs help you at low-mid level as well, but the actual people affected most are top level players. The top level players having to pay $300 for a good controller is nothing, especially if regular controllers are breaking all the time anyways and only 1/100 controllers have all the characteristics you want plus, you dunno what good or bad traits your controller has and some are hard to diagnose. Custom controllers take away this uncertainty because you can just mess with the specs to make it what you want. Custom conches are strictly a positive as long as they're doing things normal controllers can
You gotta break in controllers and get used to the very small idiosyncrasies it has, especially if you’re doing HUNDREDS of microinputs on it. If two controllers are 90% similar in a game like this, that 10% can be devastating
@@lightspeedbeast many people are very ignorant that they don't understand the difference, that's why when I play in a group I don't like to change controls, it's because the difference feels too much, although they think it's the same. I always say it our hands, our body have memory
If this community/scene ever wants to grow into a professional space, this can’t be happening. It’s high time the community finally deals with this controller bs.
the only roadblock is nintendo themselves, which probably could be beat if someone out there wanted to take the permanent debt of lawyer fees on. it's unlikely that, unless nintendo changes, melee will change. unfortunately.
@@beardalaxy I think the scene can wholly agree to a controller format, what’s allowed, what’s not, etc. the obvious unpopular opinion was that we shouldn’t have killed panda, I was against that from the start, but there are a lot of power hungry TO’s who use the scenes grassroots history to keep any form of money away from the game. Aside the adult children who refuse to hear out any other point of view and say “big money, nintendo, bad” and suffocate the game.
it reminds me of stuff like trimming down cars for races as much as possible to the point where they become massive safety risks. or like, delidding your CPU. you get that marginal performance increase but it also increases the chance of failure.
@@beardalaxy iunno what you mean by the trimming down thing when safety equipment is compulsory all the way down to stuff like Chump Car and Lemons. That includes rollcages built to at least regional specification
@@FeintMotion I can't remember exact specifics but there's a reason a lot of that stuff exists lol. Wasn't there an entire class of racing basically banned because it was getting too dangerous?
@@beardalaxyI think you are getting a little confused. Safety of is one of those things that add weight and are mandatory for just about any sanctioned race. Now making a car go as fast as it possibly can is bad for reliability, but safety isn’t the thing that actually gets compromised. In fact, you could argue the opposite, as a lot of safety equipment required on cars initially started as safety equipment for racing. Edit: I think you’re thinking of Group B. But that’s just because they were driving 500hp cars in the dirt and snow and it was extremely easy to hit a tree.
this was so sad to watch live after an amazing major: jmook with an amazing win against hbox, his bracket demon, and zain with his losers run dropping only a single game until grands... so sad this will likely be called a mickey mouse major...
real melee is paying $300 for a cracked out gcc that breaks if you look at it wrong, or settling for a cheaper one that might reliably perform some of melee's mechanics if you're lucky using a consistent and durable rectangle that isn't broken but has its own strengths and weaknesses compared to a modded gcc = CHEATING
@@Blaesa That's pretty much how some people look at it, and it's sad to see really. It's also funny how many people suggest making new OEM-quality controllers as if people haven't been trying for years. Even Panda couldn't do it well before they ever shuttered their doors; the Panda Controller Kickstarter had to be shut down and refunded because of logistical issues that halted production indefinitely.
zain agreed to reset and someone from the crowd gave jmook a controller so he could keep going. zain won, kinda sucks this had to happen in grand finals
The problem is unmoved controllers are not all equal, that's what caused this whole situation to begin with. This is a melee problem, name another game that has this problem, the only way to fix it is by patching the game and accepting hat's 3.0
@@battmall9785 unmodded controllers are more equal than what we currently have going on. And yes, Smash is a stupid esport made worse by the worst developers in gaming, Nintendo, refusing to supply peripherals of suitable quality.
The problem is you can't just ban every single controller mod ever when people have been practicing with them for years, especially notches and box. Accessibility is also a huge concern given the game's scene isn't exactly growing rapidly, or at all for that matter. GCC supply is also finite and I'd rather not bring back the controller lottery and cause yet again another dwindling supply. Right now things like box and Phob are the only long-term solutions we have, and only one of those things has proven competition-level reliability.
Same shït happened to me during a thousand dollar money match back in the day . I lost the set and told them my controller broke so they banned me from the community because I wouldn’t pay or do a rematch
