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It isn't surprising Joan didn't consider herself French, most people didn't. For most people their frame of reference was the village they lived in or, at the most, the local lord. The idea of nationalism and nation-states wouldn't become a thing for about 400 years.
And on top of that. During the time you where more sworn to lords then you where to some nation. So when we find it odd that English king suddenly might also become the king of France it was not so odd in mediaeval times. We are so familiar with the concept of nation-states that for us it seem just weird. But they would think is equally weird to have fidelity to a abstract concept and not a physical person. Of course this was not a black and white thing. There was some comradery with people that shared language and culture. And back in Roman times there was a sense of a abstract what it is to be Roman that transcended belonging clan or tribal and fealty to people. But overall by the middle ages it was a much closer connection to something physical.
The modern ideas of Nation-states really are only around a century or two old. It kinda funny cause of how hard people have tried to make it seem like its always been this way in some places. Sadly the growth of states and nationalism would help lead to some of the nastiest wars in modern history as well as several "cultural cleanings"
The most interesting thing about Joan of Arc, is that she was able to convince people in power coming from a place of none. Even when those people totally skeptical of her. Not to mention she was somehow successful. If you wrote this as fiction i'd say it was lazy writing cause there is no way all of these things could happen. A peasant girl leads an army to successful repel the invaders?
@@CosmicPlatonix And yet despite real life not having to follow the traditional conventions of 'good' story telling, stories created by real people and their escapades often provide far, FAR more interesting tales than any fictional character development could ever hope to emulate even if often life has seemingly abrupt deaths or twists of luck that derail what otherwise seemed like overarching storylines.
You forgot to mention the cool part where she is presented at first to someone dressed as the Dauphin but she turns around to speak to the real Dauphin hiding in the crowd... :/
"Wizards in History! Heck yeah!" LOL!! You really need to create a new series about how fictional wizards from myth and legend have shaped the course of human history and molded civilizations, from prehistoric times to the present day.
Joan: *minding her own business * Michael: *does a sick kickflip* HEY JOAN! Remember that - *dabs* God is with you and you must resist Satan! Joan: Michael: ok so *sits down backwards on a chair* let's talk. France needs a hero and you must be the one to bring the rightful king to the throne! Joan: Micheal: this an order from God himself. Believe in Him and you will wiiiiiin *ollies out on a skateboard up to Heaven* Joan: Joan:... ok.
I'm surprised, given the caveat about the bias of sources you started the episode with, that you didn't mention the more colorful aspects of Joan's introduction to Charles. In addition to the more 'traditional' tests, the record says that Charles dressed in disguise at their first meeting and Joan was able to identify him as the Dauphin despite insistence he was just a courtier, and after her death Charles said that she had known secrets about him that he'd only told God in prayer. Regardless of how accurate these accounts are, or how much they really indicate supernatural interference, it does seems likely that Charles had much more reason to believe and support Joan than just "she's a virgin and her beliefs are orthodox so what's the worst that could happen?," and it seems odd to omit that aspect entirely.
@@septimus5202 It really is. Joan of Arc's rise to prominence is one of those historical moments where there just aren't any easy answers to explain what happened. It can't have all been pure luck, but any reasonable explanations beggar belief or don't have any evidence; so ultimately you just have to make up your own mind as to what happened, why, and how. It's why her story, like those of similarly legendary figures like Rasputin, has fascinated people for so long. It's a real shame to boil such a complex and fascinating part of her story down to what amounts to a low-cost "Hail Mary" plan for Charles.
We’ll get into this story and why I decided to omit it in LIES, but the short version is that many historians believe that this “first” meeting with Charles (where she picked him out of the crowd) was actually preceded by a private meeting, and this event was a bit of political theatre constructed to boost Joan’s legitimacy. Sadly describing all the possible scenarios surrounding that event would’ve taken a lot of time without adding much to the episode. We’ll also discuss the bit about her finding an ancient sword in the church of Saint Catherine, which I left out for similar reasons. - Rob
@@Rert That would certainly scare me--I would either get up and run or stay very still and rot in bed. Anyhow, I don't think her strength of character solely revolved around saintly voices. I would say that her character influenced her faith, which in turn influenced her character. She had a great character from the start. As a young child she would give succour to the poor and needy. She didn't really have a flaw in her character, at least not in the eyes of someone who lives in a time when teenagers lick tubs of ice cream at the grocery store and puts them back. It takes a lot of courage to do all that she did. She was certainly terrified, but she managed to overcome her fears. That is true courage. Put people in her position, and I doubt that they would do what she did. She went through a lot and fought for what she believed in even in the face of a painful and slow death.
@@jiayilim1986 Agreed. The fact that she even had the courage to leave her only home, travel to stare down the Crown Prince of France himself to prove herself, and willingly try to lead a fight to break a stalemate that had lasted over a decade proves she was definitely something else. Heck, I'd wager most men and women in modern militaries today, decorated and respect-deserving they may be, wouldn't have been able to pull off the level of achievements she did if they were put in her shoes back then. God may have supported her - and I _do_ believe in God, personally - but Joan of Arc _earned_ her legacy and place in the history books, easily up there with other legends like Alexander the Great, George Washington, Qin Shi Huang, and others.
3:21 I have to assume this happened a lot, and I know that for a lot of human history a lot of people didn't really bother distinguishing between history and folklore. History is fascinating.
To get this out of the way, yes, there would have been reasons for that, oral tradition, cultural identity, etc, etc, etc. That doesn't make it any less fascinating.
Oh yes. History is full of uncertainty. Some famous people might never have existed. Or been amalgamations of other people that did. And some things we though where myth turns out to actually be real. At least to some extent. I feel we have gotten a lot more sceptical when it comes to history. I think this a good thing. And I always take any historical narrative I hear about with a tiny grain of salt. Especially when is actually present as a story. (I generally do not argue to much about archaeological finds and more physical evidence. But even these are up to interpenetration. But at least we can go back and look at old artefacts and re-examin them. Not so much about old historical accounts. At best we can hope we find someone else perspective of those events.)
@@Cythil Are there any numbers on how many citizens of the classical era would have just assumed the Illiad and Odyssey actually happened without batting an eye? I feel like it would have been "a lot." I'm actually _mostly_ okay with the whole thing being presented as a story, too - hence why I'm here - although it would definitely help if the Context Fairy and similar stay around.
@@Cythil just to be clear, all history is, to some extent, narrative. A major component of history is interpretation as done by the historian. Obviously, this is not an excuse to flat out make stuff up and it's always good to keep a level of skepticism but, if you're looking for history without narrative, you aren't going to find it. Even just listing names, dates, places or displaying objects in a museum should have an explanation on why those names/dates/places are relevant together (a Japanese town and a Moroccan town aren't terribly relevant without some explanation on why they're relevant) or why those objects are displayed together (ideally, this should be obvious when seen at a museum but this isn't always the case).
Ironically, the English that were prosecuting her in the name of God went on a hundred years later to break away from the Catholic Church. The English were not concerned about heresy, they were more concerned about getting rid of France's greatest military leader at the time.
Bernard Valentin I’m laughing at the fact that he called her the greatest French General of all time when she never really did anything miraculous with an army at all really.
@@nicholashopper2133 No, I'm not joking, I said "at the time." And I didn't edit it either, it was already there. Either you're purposely misconstruing my comment, or you need to get your eyes checked.
I'm sure a number of people in the church were sincere about the issue, but its an unfortunate fact that because the church held power, people tried to use the church for their own personal and political gain.
@@nicholashopper2133 Maybe not greatest leader in terms of battles, but probably one of the greatest in terms of moral fiber. Napoleon was one of the "greatest" leaders, but has none of the qualities I'd use to call somebody great.
"100 years ago, the Kingdom of France lived together in harmony. Then everything changed when the English attacked. Only the Maid of Orleans, Master of Saints, could stop them. I believe Joan can save France."
Angels do what they want, would YOU stop a potentially divine being of questionable origin from dabbing? Edit: Of course, there's fallen angels as well, so.. *shrugs*
The same church that burned her for heresy? That one? Also, if France wasn't closer to Rome than England, or if England won, the Church would still condemn her...
@@KuK137 Yes, the same Church that burned her for Heresy. Because there was a Civil War in the Catholic Church (the Western Schism, the Pope in Rome vs the Antipope in Avignon) concurrent with the Civil War in France.
@@KuK137 it depends on the political allegiance of the bishops presiding over the trial, though. Bishops back then had quite more power and autonomy from Rome than today's bishops. All the bishops who tried her were pretty much pro-English or pro-Burgundian.
Jeanne: Gee, this war going on sure is pretty terrible. It'd be nice if someone would come along, put the Dauphin on his rightful throne and help put an end to this mess. Mike, Catt and Marge: We're about to kickstart this girl's whole career.
I wonder how the soldiers at the garrison must felt. The idea of having to accompany a peasant girl hundreds of miles on horse because she said God had spoken to her... must have not landed well initially. Even as much as they believed those things were possible.
Jean d'Metz and Bertrand d'Poulengy, 2 of the 6 men who lead Jehanne to Chinon were actually among the supporters that helped Jehanne convince Robert d'Baudricourt, the commander of the Vaucouleurs garrison, to give her a safe conduct to Chinon in the first place.
Thats not how the "army" thing goes. If the order does not come through chain of command, its not an order. If the order does come through chain of command, it probably can be followed back to God anyway. If it comes from the king, he is officially Gods appointed representative. Its like, declared to be so by the archbishop on the coronation. Besides, escort mission for a possible saint, thats kinda low on the "weird orders" list. Washing your hands before eating, thats some freaky shit you can pretty safely just ignore.
Prophecies, holy trials, and messages from angels. Stuff most modern people would call superstition, or even madness. But let's not go all amateur psychiatrist on Joan; to history, where people believed orders came from is often more important than their true source. Also, the patient died centuries before the birth of modern psychology. We don't have precise enough reports to diagnose anything but piety.
Well considering the facts there are a few possibilitys. 1. She actually saw every thing she clamed wich would make mean the she was suffering from some kind of psychosis. 2. she was lying about every thing and useing peoples superstitions at the time to help them take down the people who had attacked her home. 3. A combination of the two above
@@qct101 Let's be civil about this. History can't disprove that she didn't see those things, or that they were real or not. (Also, I'd rather not get into a 15 page essay on why this is the case, so can we maybe drop the subject?)
@@qct101 Just listing ALL the options. Whether she did or didn't is unknowable at this point. But perhaps, there is indeed a God and perhaps He did indeed choose Joan to save what we know to be France. That is an interesting thought.
Jeanne de Arc is incredibly interesting as a character. It's as if we had a tragic Greek Hero with undeniable evidence that, despite the embellishments and divine overtones, he had done the things that his myths had said he had done.
Joan is my patron saint, so hearing her story is a real treat. Also the thought of Satan trying to trick people by wearing a saint Michael face mask is cracking me up right now.
Wizards in History should be its own Extra History series. Also, it'd be cool to get perspective on the history of the concept/identity of a nation. Seems so natural/inevitable today, but it's actually a remarkable thing.
To my knowledge, none of their videos are dislike-free. How many of those dislikes are from people who actually watch the videos before disliking them is beyond me.
For the sake of all the Fate Grand Order fans, please include the following line in the next episode. "And what Joan did there was...stunning." (For context, Joan's ultimate attack has a 1 turn self stun that was later patched out. It includes an animate of her waving the flag referenced this episode which blesses everyone with invincibility. Its pretty on flavor.)
I'm high af right now and almost in tears because I imagined myself as a French soldier in this timeperiod and thinking how a young gril can achieve all of this so she must be supported by God (I'm not religious btw)
Proof that not even schizophrenia can completely stop you from achieving your dream. I use the word ‘completely’ because any mental health disorder can certainly make achieving your goals a hell of a lot harder than “anticipated”.
Bertrand: Bonjour, Joan. My colleague and I will escort you to the château of the dauphin, or else we will die trying. De Metz: I am Jean de Metz, and I will protect you with my life. Swordsman: You are Joan of Arc...I have heard your claims and believe what you say. We will follow you to Chinon! Crossbowman: Wait! You might have need of a few archers on the road ahead.🤓
@@scarletletter4900 I'd start with Doctor John Dee from the court of Elizabeth I. He was a genuinely learned man, as he studied quite a lot of what we'd consider modern science mixed with sorcery and magic -- but his private life was kind of a disaster. His assistant Edward Kelley was pretty much a con man, and he even persuaded Dee to swap wives at one point.
@@scarletletter4900 Oh you're in for a treat. Imagine a genius mathematician who was a political advisor to the Queen and a navigational expert who trained English captains setting out for the New World -- who also channeled spirits, talked to angels, and studied sorcery and Hermetic philosophy. Dee's life is pretty fascinating.
Joan of Arc wasn't a peasant, her parents are said to have owned about 50 acres of land and her father supplemented his farming work with a minor position as a village official, collecting taxes and heading the local watch. Her family were landowners socially ranked just below the landed gentry.
Does it bother anyone else that in the intro at 0:45, the leftmost book acts unphysically by falling onto the book to the right after being briefly perfectly upright?
You forgot the most famous test of all. When she was first brought before the prince, she was presented with an imposter. but she ignored him and went directly to the true prince who was there in disguise. Also you didn't correct last week's mistake of failing to mention that the curse on France was because of their support for the anti-pope
England was only ever as bad as their king imo. They've had some good and some bad. I wouldn't call them evil. Germany had some pretty bad leaders, but I wouldn't call them evil all throughout history.
When I was at the part where the the * fairy came and Matt said that hey asterisk fairy what do you have for us an IPhone 14 pro ad popped up. The timing was perfect.
