Once he killed Penny, he became Joker and stopped trying to be normal. That is when his confidence came out for real. He became confident when he accepted that he was Joker.
So i believe when he comes thru the curtains that was him reaching his final form. Once he loses his meds 'the joker' starts to bleed thru more. When he is smoking and writing in his journal, he hits the cigs pauses a sec and then continues to write but with his left hand instead of the right one. Check that scene out again its a small detail but i believe it implies that Arthur is right handed and 'the joker' is left handed split personalities. This is a great movie.
@prico3358yeah.. Make sense!! It's scaringly realistic.. 2 years ago.. I was "mentally not okay" It felt completely different.. Just like this movie.. Mental health is serious thing.. Here in India people don't take it seriously!!!
This movie uses a literary device called "Unreliable narrator". The whole story is being shown from Arthur's point of view but since Arthur hallucinates and has a hard time knowing what's real we as the audience can't be sure either.
Thats the joke he was laughing at at the end. The punchline is that now Thomas Wayne's son is going to grow up traumatized, like Arthur, and without a father who was supposed to be Thomas, like Arthur. It's actually pretty funny that it worked out like that. But I also believe that he could have just made up the whole story in his head, just to arrive at the same conclusion, and then escapes the asylum (for the FIRST TIME) having fully transformed himself into the Joker by the force of his fantasy, as if it all really happened.
The Joker has 3 different laughs and they are distinctly different from one another. See if you can hear the difference between the 3. One laugh is when he cant control his laughter and its physically painful. One laugh is when he pretends to laugh with other people to not feel left out / to blend in. One laugh is when he actually laughs at things he finds funny. Edit : this is something Joaquin Phoenix revealed in an interview about the Joker's character development.
I remember some people complaining because they were expecting more of an action movie style joker. I loved this flick from day. Its a brutal masterpiece
Ok last thing. You.guys missed when his boss said Randolph (guy who gave him gun) LIED to the boss and said Arther was trying to give him a gun. And the only reason they showed up to his house was to see what Arther told the police. He was not a real friend. IT WAS NOTADE UP
The boss said that Arthur asked Randolph about getting a gun. But we don't know which is true. They went to his apartment to make sure he wasn't telling the police he got the gun from Randolph because he didn't. Or maybe because he did. We don't know.
It's pretty obvious Randolph hated Arthur and lied about giving him the gun. He was trying to get Arthur fired. He was Never Arthur's friend, nor Gary's, just a bully.
I think this works best if you don't eve think of this character as THE Joker. That's something he may become later but right now he's just a guy who's been treated badly by the world.
If the WHOLE thing was in his head, he started telling himself this story when he hit his head really hard in the asylum... Then came to the SAME conclusion and transformed himself into Joker by just the force of his internal fantasy and the narrative he built. Then he kills the nurse and escapes the asylum for the FIRST time, and walks out fully Joker into ANY Gotham you want to put him in to tell your Batman story.
I feel invisible quite a bit. I've retreated from people because they are awful most of the time. But I still want to connect and care about others. That's why reaction channels like yours help me cope. Sober 10/01/2019. Thank you for being here.
Guys... The comedy club was called Pogo's... The real life serial killer John Wayne Gacy, known as The killer clown due to him dressing as a clown for kids parties... His clowns name was... Yep... Pogo.
Also the club at the end in the background of the riot is the Ace In The Hole, implying both that Gotham is a hole, and alluding to ACE Chemical (so he transforms into Joker at the "same" place)
Joaquin Phoenix took home the Oscar for Best Actor in the movie. It was the highest grossing R Rated movie to make $1 billion dollars at the box office. It drew a lot of controversy upon release as it involved someone with severe mental health issues being turned into a hero rather than villain
The moral of this story is that if someone is treated poorly by everyone in their life, they will start to identify the people who are indifferent to their suffering as their abusers. And theyre not wrong. We live in a society
The movie definitely wants you to question if what you see is reliable. But that being said, every time Joker is fantasizing or hallucination, the movie tells you. When he imagined hugging the late night guy, they showed us it wasn't real. Dating the girl, they showed us it wasn't real. That is why I think everything else in the movie really happened.
The laughing condition Joker has was modelled off a real life person who suffers from the same condition. Quite a difficult thing to live with I'm sure. - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8FT2bp31X1Y.html
I love your pronunciation of the actor’s name. “Jah-queen”. No mockery intended, that’s a great way to say it. Matter of fact I think I’ll say it that way from now on myself:)
I think the ending was real, because by that point he had fully become the Joker and because we know Bruce's parents do die. I think he got captured afterwards but killed again and managed to escape, because thats what the Joker always does. In the comics there's no agreed upon origin for the Joker, it's constantly changing. This is also a standalone story not connected to any of the other Batman movies.
Guys, the joke on his notebook in his apartment was "the worst part about having a mental illness is PEOPLE EXPECT YOU TO BEHAVE AS IF YOU DON'T" So this is the full joke. Like it or not it's true hahah Arthur getting himself inside the fridge was a suicide attempt. Most people don't realize that. Also the small guy in Arthur's work is not the same actor who plays Tyrion from Game of Thrones. I don't know his name but I think you guys were thinking about Peter Dinklage or something.he is so different haha And finally, probably is just an opinion not very in common but I think his jokes are very good but in different perspectives. Like in a way he is throwing in people's faces the terrible sense of humor society has in his way of thinking. Like being a comedian is someone who doesn't need a job and others subjective jokes lol Arthur can't connect with people so he can have a unpopular perspective through misery and attention, whatever...
Joker holds a special place in the list of modern DC movies because the movie is a gamble. The character of the Joker is one of the most iconic comic book villains around and is easily worth over $1,000,000,000 to a movie studio. Instead of making a movie about the origins of The Joker they instead made a sorrowful character study about a man suffering from mental illness living a miserable life. It's a wonderful film and your reaction and commentary at the end of this video were great!
18:13 He felt free, spontaneous, without any inhibitions after he K those guys. That is what the dance was representing. He was just feeling the vibes ending those guys.
So much to say. Chris Nolans version of the Waynes were good but not all comic versions. In the comics Thomas Wayne had a doctor named Doctor Stoner who would do experiements on people and theynwould cover it up and call them crazy. Dr Stoners name is the doctor who signed off on Pennys papers in this movie. There is a comic version where its left up in the air if joker could be batmans brother. And remember Thomas wrote T.W. on tje back of her picture, so we cant make a determination on that. Everything about joker is unreliable but serious at the same time because of his impact. So much more to write but ill leave it there. Love you guys.😊
I loved how at the end when he walked up to the camera the lights changed the color of his suit from a reddish color to the Jokers classic purple suit.
This movie is one of my all-time favorites, comic books aside, Joaquin Phoenix did an oustanding job depicting someone who is sick/insane. The movie shows the brutal treatment of people suffering mental illness. They are mocked and ridiculed and people dismiss them as garbage. Gary always treated Arthur well because he related to what it was like being mistreated. MAN when I first saw the trailer to this movie I instantly dismissed that it was a "DC" movie, this is a master piece imo and Joaquin Phoenix deserved winning the Academy Award for best actor. When I first saw it in theaters and saw the scene where he walks into Sophie's apartment (his "gf") and she asks who he is, I got goosebumps man. Idc what anyone says, this move is one of my favorite movies. A comment I read also shines a light on something some miss, "Arthur was not initially going on the TV show with the gun to kill Murray, he was going to kill himself live on TV as a statement, but once he got talking to Murray, he realized the true target, was actually Murray. The punch line of his "What do you get" was to kill himself but twisted it, in to ending with "You get what you deserve" and killing Murray, instead of himself." Note that this movie has no ties to the other Bat Man movies, it's in its own universe. If you liked it, I'd recommend you watch The Batman if you haven't already, it's starring Robert Pattinson. Imo, a really good depiction of "detective" Bruce Wayne.
This movie is an excellent reminder to be good to everyone around you..you never know who you're standing next to..as a mental patient myself in NYC,You GET WHAT YOU FUCKIN DESERVE!..hits home... everyone is struggling w something...it gets me emotional every time I hear it.. great movie 🔥
Your first clues shouldve came early (i figured it out LONG before the reveal) First why is this girl always with him at odd hours of the day without her daughter? SO shes just leaving her daughter alone unsupervised everyday to hang out with some guy she just met? Highly unlikely. Then the Thomas Wayne thing. For him to be Batmans brother and considering Thomas Waynes Age, thomas wayne would have to be WAY older than e is/looks to have a son the age of Arthus who looks damn near 50 himself... not to mention the age gap between Arthus and Bruce... The Joker is definitely not like 30+ years older than batman, they look around the same age in every iteration weve seen of batman and joker
This movie really drives home what mental illness and our society's lack of support for it looks like. If he could have gotten the help he actually needed, if people were more empathetic to his situation, none of the bad stuff he did would likely have happened. I'm not saying every mentally ill person can be cured and that none will ever do anything violent... just that it's a reflection of our society that we look down on people who are different, to the point where we basically just discard them and ignore them. This movie tears me up inside because of knowing this sort of thing happens to people every day. We have to raise our kids to be better than stooping as low as bullying someone else. I'm sick of people acting like we're supposed to not have emotions or that everyone needs to "toughen up". If anything, everyone needs to soften their heart a bit and stop being so callous and cruel to each other.
What I took from the ending shot of Bruce standing next to his dead parents was when Arthur tells the psychiatrist that she wouldn’t get the joke. I take that as the joke is, that his enemy was created when the Waynes parents were killed.
01:26:24 I get what you mean, but at the same time, supee hero movies have to have powers of some sort, cause otherwise they won't literally be superhero movies (lol). The most important part though is that is a hero, not superhero, so there never was much superpowers in his comics or movies cause that's the point of Batman and his villians, they're "normal"
53:55 it’s funny you say that because while this movie was in theaters many of them had extra security and even police inside and out of the building in fear of what people may have done almost like they were expecting followers of the joker
I think alot of people miss the point where he loses access to the medication and things go downhill. Just as an aside, psychotropic drugs aren't your average "prescription drugs" you need a psychiatrist to monitor your dosage and side effects.
My first time watching this movie I almost felt like someone was switching my channels while I was trying to watch. Every couple of minutes there was a plot twist so severe that it was like I was watching a different program. I've watched it three or four times since then and pick up on something I previously missed every time. The writing, especially on a "mystery/thriller" level, is so next level it broke the meter. Brilliantly done.
It's more of a mental health movie than anything. It's makes me sick that people would call this a misogynistic or incel movie, just because it's a man dealing with mental health issues. Barbie is praised for its "female empowerment ", while Joker is viewed as "toxic masculinity ."
Wow, I didn't know that people said that about the movie. That's really sad because men's mental health should be advocated more. So many go through it and it's always looked down upon
@@tokki6085 People were saying that Joker is dangerous. But the Barbie movie gets a pass by hating traditional masculinity/patriarchy and being misandry.
@@aaronmartin7086 Yeah that's really sad about society today. I notice men are getting less and less respect. But hold in there just know there are still women like myself who respect men like yourself
Speechless. Good review. U picked up on so many things that slipped by me. I look at things so literal/face value. Spooky things like this really go on in ppl's broken minds.
He gets in the fridge because it symbolises the moment all doors are closed for him and he feels he is in a cold dark space, once the fridge door closes the lights go off
I'm waiting to hear them realise that isnt Peter dinklage before I removed this comment 😂 can't believe how different they look and they still think it's him
Expert on Cinema: You see Arthur entering the refrigerator symbolises his isolation from the rest of society and his attempt to be cut off from an increasingly immoral and unforgiving world. Mrs October: maybe he has a migraine
I think when he was laughing off time at the comedy club (13:05) was because he was just copying everyone else laughing, he wants to make people laugh, but doesn't actually know why they laugh.
Maybe that’s why In the dark knight the joker kept changing his background story because in reality he doesn’t know his reality because of his mental condition
@@dustingill4202and your theory may not be true either. That, and this person never claimed to have the definitive answer. They just gave their opinion.
The best Joker imo, comes from Batman : The Animated Series. He was voiced by MARK HAMILL.... who as you may know, played LUKE SKYWALKER. Check out some clips on RU-vid.
I respect the vagueness of the story because in Batman comics the Joker’s Origen was a mystery but though Arthur Flec is considered the first Joker there ended up being two more Jokers 😳 The sequel should be interesting to see Lady GaGa as Harley Quinn - the entire movie might end up being in her head 😳
I liked all the actors because the different Jokers were all very different things. Batman is mostly the same in every incarnation with some aesthetic changes but the Joker is always presented with a fresh take. And I think all the actors did a spot on job fleshing these different Jokers out if that makes sense. This one imo is the most horrifying one. Maybe because this is the most possible.
We also don't know how smart Arthur really is or what hidden talents he may have. He's been on 7 different psychotropic medications. Most of them take weeks to really wear off so the Genius Arthur may emerge once he dries out. We've only met drugged-up Arthur.
When he says that line that if it was him ending in the street you'd walk right over him, I wonder if he was channeling his brother River. Who OD'd and ended in the street and people literally walked right over him.
The Joker REAL NAME is JACK OSWALD WHITE NOT Arthur Fleck, Jack Oswald White didn't kill Bruce's parents, It was JOE CHILL who killed Bruce's parents at the Monarch Theater when the Mark of Zorro came out in 1940 The Joker were few blocks away when Bruce's parents were murdered, I don't think Joker knows or hear the gunshots in the alley, Here's a tidbit :Zorro INSPIRED BATMAN! Zorro is version of EL DIABLO aka Lazarus Lane, BATMAN met Joker when Joker fell into a vat, Joker made his debut in BATMAN Vol 1 #1 Spring 1940. So I want to set the record straight, his name isn't Arthur Fleck, it's JACK OSWALD WHITE! Blessings and HUGS! 👑💜
Jared Leto is obviously the best Joker.... kidding... In order: 1. Mark Hamil 2. Heath Ledger 3. Joaquin Phoenix 4. Jack Nicholson 5. Ceasar Romero 100. Jared Leto
He laughs uncontrollably whenever he's trying to fit into 'normal' society as it is fucking with him, because his mind is subconsciously laughing at the absurdity of trying to be sane in an insane world. Notice that once he accepts that he's NOT going to try to fit in, his laughing fits stop.
It's an alternate version of the Joker, so nothing can really be taken from this film beyond the movie itself and it's upcoming sequel. Most superhero movies are like that when it comes to being comic accurate. They are focusing primarily on the insanity of the character in this movie and I expect the sequel whereas Nicholson's version focused on his madcap aspects and Ledger's on his brutality. Each did a fantastic job in their own way and when melded together would well represent the Joker overall.
Don’t over think it. Most of the movie happened. The girlfriend was a delusion. The first appearance on Murry was a fantasy. Nearly everything else happened. They made the delusions kinda obvious.
The movie is really up to interpretation. You figured out how he had his dis-associative disorder between being the nervous himself and the confident Joker. The movie is a social commentary (again up to interpretation) of society letting the lower class fall through the cracks. Yes it is believed he killed the TV host and after the riot he was caught and is now in Arkham. Lot of music in this movie as a great support as well. Super excited for Joker 2 with Gaga.
Dark Knight is a fully formed Joker. This is a work in progress (very much like a comedian, gotta work on your act, see what lands, what doesn't and figure it out). "Comedy is subjective Murray" fills like the core pathos of this Joker. Give this Joker time and he can and will refine his acts of violence.
He hallucinated his relationship with his neighbor & him being in the audience at the Murray Franklin Show. The writers revealed these two things to us. Everything else is real. The only thing left to question by the writers is if he killed his neighbor. Consensus is he did not, because she was somewhat kind to Arthur (see Gary), so it's assumed he let her be.
WB Studios is revamping all the DC movies and characters. James Gunn who did the Guardians movies is now in charge of all that. Joker may end up being the beginning of that reboot.
Can you also react to Batman Mask Of The Phantasm. It's an animated movie and is considered one of the best Batman movies ever. It also has Mark Hamill (Luke Skywalker) as Joker , his voice and especially his laugh is iconic
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