Welcome to the first part of Joe Goldberg being a psychopath. Netflix Tv series called "You", season 1. The part second with edits from the second season comes soon!
@@Crimson19977 they did, at first i didn't think much of it but anytime we hear Joe's voice its the thoughts in his head not him speaking out loud. So i actually rewatched those scenes with no sound on and its was creepy AF
He killed the guy Candace cheated him with, and then he goes and cheat on Karen. Come on Joe everything ok with you being a sicko but where are your morals gone?
@@oluwahefner4194 not really. He said he was gonna just watch Marianne and that's it but still went into full on obsession, doesn't sound like changing to me lol
@@vidura3797 lmao he’s a sociopath that doesn’t just change when he gets what he thinks love is just cuz it’s “going well” and he hasn’t had a reason to “interfere” but the second that changes that goes away and he will most definitely interfere Bc this is an endless cycle for him until he does some SERIOUS digging into his own mess and it doesn’t change based on environmental factors he killed multiple ppl. He was never changing, things were just going “well”. If u think for a second he was bouta change in those circumstances you just as delusional as his blind victims
@@livjames8624 First of all, calm down buddy. You need to look at objectively. He trapped people in the cage and killed people in season 1 , which is terrible. But in season 2, he decides to change that. Which is why he let go of that ID guy. I'm not justifying his action of trapping that guy into cage, but he got this far from killing people in cage to letting them go without any harm. And if you argue that it was because of circumstances, Voila he let go of delilah, whom he did not involve himself into than that of Beck. Until the real psychopath love killed her without any mercy, just out of her desire. And we could truly see joe was gonna kill her with despise, because everything he did to change for her flipped just because of her. (Ps: sorry for my bad grammar)
@@mo4105 He killed people... he refuses to face the consequences of his actions and he is such a creep. Totally obsessive... how is he a good person? Yeah sure he does good things but he is certainly not a good person.
@@manilslat6087 no actually now that I think about it. It was actually Benji’s fault that Benji died if he didn’t have a peanut allergy he would’ve no died simple as that
The most tragic thing about Joe is that he still has everything a woman would find attractive and desirable in a man. He’s very intelligent, loyal (to his obsession, but still loyalty), capable, charming and aware of people’s true intentions. If he had just kept his urges under control, grew up with proper guardians, and did not have a distorted view on what love is; he would have women flocking to him.
@@LadyLilith1015 yeah like he dove right in when it came to the neighbor in season 3 lmao. And then the whole marienne storyline. Which is just like, why are they trying to get us to root for a new love interest for him when we know at this rate she’ll die too eventually 😭 I think saying he is loyal to his obsession, which is stalking and killing, is accurate. Like he did shit in season 3 to try to get close to marienne even though he’s like “I would never do this but only for you” because he is loyal to that disgustingly obsessive side of himself.
@@LadyLilith1015 that’s why i said loyal to his obsession. That’s still loyalty. So if he was a healthy person, that loyalty is desirable. Please read carefully, I’m not even trying to defend the psycho. 😂
I don’t think we should victim-blame Beck too much since A) We’re on Joe’s PoV and B) Stalkers tend to be attracted to extremely vulnerable people. Yeah, Beck was dumb for not having curtains and other things, but at the end of the day, Joe is still a piece of crap for taking advantage of Beck. I’m just saying that I genuinely love how Joe is written because on one hand, we’re on his side but on the other hand we’re terrified as fuck for his victim. The fact that Pen Badgely hates his character certainly helps.
@My pronouns are Goddess / Your majesty it is victim blaming tho.. instead of shitting on what beck(the victim) did, maybe tell guys this stalker type shit isn't okay. it's no ones fault but his.
@My pronouns are Goddess / Your majesty Sure, Beck was unaware at times but that doesn’t necessarily tie in with Joe’s obsessive behavior. Beck was a diversely complicated character. Her dumb moves are seen as dumb because they come from Joe’s perspective, not Beck’s.
@My pronouns are Goddess / Your majesty bro THATS VICTIM BLAMING. Nothing bad should’ve happened to her to begin with, because you know who to blame? THE PEOPLE DOING BAD THINGS TO HER DUH
If you guys think he's creepy in the show, he's even worse in the books. He's so much more descriptive when talking about Beck, it almost makes you uncomfortable just reading it.
True! His hypocritical thinking made me rage at first but then i realize that that is exactly what the show wants you to feel and pretty much the whole point of his internal monologue, to prove that hes a horrible person even w/o killing all those ppl
Yea but she dipped and left him. She said a small little voice in her head told her he was bad and she should’ve listened to it. After Love talked to her she left him.
@@TJ-qm2qx Joe is insane once he finds a new fixation. If he picked up (this man has a whole ass SON he left behind!!) and went all the way to France just bc of a slight sliver of hope she’s there, he will find a way to pinpoint her exact location.
He's even more overtly crazy in the book. But Beck is really unlikeable too. The only likeable person in the book is Peach, her character is really tragic actually.
I believe, all the girls who like Joe, need to come together and discuss how problematic our desires are. It’s like we are ‘dying’ for those red flags.
The relationship between Joe and peach is genius, the fact that they’re doing the exact same thing to beck, they want to control every part of her life, and make sure no one else can have her, they both see each other as the bad guy, too blind to see that they are doing the same thing
The way he's not really listening to Beck when she's talking about why she wants to be a writer is very telling. He's not really interested in her as a person, she's an object to acquire.
Exactly, and the men who defend him and always blame the victim whenever a girl is sexually harrassed by a man for literally doing nothing, are also misogynists who view women as objects. They don't want women to habe their own opinion, be happy or do what they want freely. They want to be able to control every single move they make, and think the world revolves around them
@@imanenjm8066 Ryan was the one person that was closest to deserving of death in season 3 though lmao. It’s cuz of his ass a bunch of other more innocent people had to die though
Yes. This is one of the two shows where i don't mind that the show romanticize an obvious stalker/killer/sociopathic asshole and it's solely because of the PoV
It's so scary because, especially for women, anybody could get "addicted" or "obsessed" like this. I mean, not to Joe's degree but it is certainly in the realm of possibility. People can stalk and that terrifies me.
Beck’s character was MEANT to be bland and boring. It’s to emphasize how any women (or man) can be preyed upon by someone who builds a sick narrative in their head and decides to stalk them. Tbh Beck is as bland and dumb as it gets but she NEVER deserved the actions joe took because he thought they were “perfect”. He’s a sick creepy man just like so many out there that really stalk and murder women
Exactly. The show did a really good job with that and showing Joe’s pathology. How he just picks a pretty girl and instantly builds up this image of them in his mind of this perfect, ethereal, amazingly kind otherworldly woman, before he’s even met them, when in the real world they’re just regular old girls with bad traits and flaws and boring personalities. They did it with Love, too. He’d read her all wrong to both their detriments. Anyone saying Beck was nothing special got the point and yet still somehow managed to miss it lol. Beck’s death was really tragic. She was just trying to live her life and find happiness and Joe came along and swallowed her up. Very sad, very realistic though.
@@potato-whiz Love WAS cool as fuck tho, i like how they portrayed Beck to be a flawed kindaa bitch but a good person and Love as a great person then flipped it.
If you know someone who is crushing on Joe and not just the actor then I highly recommend they read the actual book. He seems charming at first but then he REALLY shows his true colors that was watered down in the show
I think when he breaks Beck's window trying to get back with her is extremely symbolic of the story. Here he is trying to do something that is typically romantic and what every girl seemingly wants in a romance, but he breaks it unintentionally. That's joe. Everything he's doing is, in theory, romantic. Protecting her from people who hurt her, loyal, attentive, helpful, and encouraging of her career. But his methods of doing it ruins the relationship and that girls life. Candace, Beck, even Love, and soon to be Marienne are all broken as a result of Joe's obsession
Yes yes yes! I swear I just couldn't get it, but you put it perfectly. Anytime I would think of how horrible he is I would come back to "but he objectively did help them in some ways" but you're so right. The way he is doing it, and not to mention the stalking, the lies and harmful obsession, the mf killing you when you don't love him back/ don't love him anymore- it's nowhere near romantic but it is one thing. Scary. Very very very SCARY.
@@random_meta this so much, at some point in the first episodes I was like "yeah he killed Benji but Benji was a POS he's weird but kind of cute tho", then you caught yourself thinking like that like wtf you thinking mate this guy is a disgusting sicko.
No, he doesn’t. I think he acts like he does because it fits his narcissistic view of himself as a good person and how he only does bad things to “help.”
By season 3 Joe almost seems normal in comparison to season 1. He’s definitely still messed up but I think he became less impulsive (at least when compared to the absolute mess that is Love)
I feel like love isn't as messed as joe though. All of her crimes are impulsive, whereas joe's are premeditated. Love kills to protect her family but joe kills because of obsession. Love seems to just have a restraint problem - she kills when she is angry probably cuz her rich parents let her get away with it, but joe is a full on stalker and sociopath
@@thelambsauce1701 killing cause you angry is just as messed up lol, at least the psychopath thinks first lol. In season 2 or 3 he was almost like Batman killing the bad people off. Love doesn’t care she just kills like that. Season 1 I would agree but season 2 and 3 he killed pedophiles or self defense or as the absolute last resort.
I never saw the appeal on Beck. Other than being extremely good looking, she didn't have much else going on. She wasn't really that smart, that interesting, or deep... She was a bland, cliché character, that got things handed to her because of her looks, and she would still complain about life being too hard. And then it hit me, that's makes her a perfect victim. She was clueless.
Also, his idealized perception of her is nothing like who she actually is which is the point of his obsession. He obsesses over people because of who he is not because of who they are.
But… that’s the point. Joe is a play on similar characters who are viewed as romantic, and those characters are usually attracted to the bland cliché good looking protagonist. He seems to create his object of obsession with every chance he gets, because his idea of romantic love comes from literature, not real life. That’s why everything is justified in his head, many book characters who do what he does have the girl swooning over them. Beck was just a basic girl who was a mess, but he didn’t care, because his mind built her up. She was also emotionally vulnerable and he reeeally tapped into that throughout their relationship.
@@connorcoco2152 Thank you! Yeah, just look at Christian Grey; the guy stalks Anastasia left and right, becomes intimately involved in her life before anything happens between them, manipulates her life to suit him, and she ends up head over heels in love with him, because it’s seen as romantic. And there’s nothing special about her, she’s good looking enough for Grey to want her sexually, but bland enough so that the reader can project herself onto her. That doesn’t matter though, because Grey builds her up in his head, the same way Joe does with Beck. Both Beck and Anastasia are aspiring writers, love literature and if I remember correctly, Christian gifts her a first edition Hardy book (which would cost about $14K), doesn’t Joe do something similar? I’m positive Kepnes saw those jokes made about how Grey would be seen as a complete creep if he wasn’t rich, and she made a story out of it.
@@connorcoco2152 Well, duh, obviously no one walks around saying “oh I’m such a creep, lol”. Everything has a justification in his own head, and it’s why it’s very easy to root for him to get away with everything. We see this in real life too, with charming serial killers such as Ted Bundy. We laugh at the girls who found him too hot to be guilty, and how gullible they were, but we see many who do the same for Joe and therefore would likely be those same people back then. We hate Beck and even people who get in the way (mostly people trying to bring a serial stalker and killer to justice, like Candice or Forty), because of that narrative device, and while Beck does some bad things, they don’t come close to what Joe does.
This is why I don't understand why so many female fans love Joe. He's hilariously terrifying! You can't help but laugh as his lack of self-awareness... but he's so real that he's terrifying... I don't understand why they want to have a stalker like that. *SPOILERS* he ends up killing her, ffs!
You're confusing liking a Joe as a character, and liking Joe as a person. Most people don't like him as a person, and they knows he's a terrible human being, but he's also a well written, fleshed out, and interesting character.
@@kainpendlebury7007 you know dang well that's not what OP meant. You can like him because he's a well written character. We're talking specifically about the people who like and justify his actions
@@kainpendlebury7007 how is a psychopath with no redeemable qualities a "well-written character" ? Joe seems to live in a world where cops don't exist and never faces repercussions How is that a "well written character" ? You want to know the example of a well written psychopath on television ? HOMELANDER !
that pretty much sums up why her character was portrayed the way it was imo. she was "bland" because he projected his fantasy onto her, he didn't really know who she was
@@alexjulia4870 I agree. Joe is in love with the fantasy in his head more than the actual girl. He had literally no interest in Marienne until she started flirting with him. Not her telling him about her past, but the flirting she was doing towards him. If anything season 3 really shows what Joe’s version of “love” really is. It was kinda dumb imo too that Marienne showed no interest either until she knew he grew up in the system too.
Nah she definitely loved him. I think her problems were interesting and I kinda wish there’s a book out there that follows the thinking of all the girls that Joe falls for. Because let’s be honest Joe isn’t the only one who tries to justify every wrong decision they make
Kind of irrelevant but this made me feel validated about checking what devices my accounts are logged into and reset all the options every now and then.
Joe needs help he needs fucking counseling because this is wrong in so many levels He reminds me of our/nice guys He’s nice to her at first But he really wants to do is make sure she doesn’t go with any guy and he thinks just because he knows or it’s his business god he’s a nice guy and a Yandere at the same time
He was until the Karen episode and all of season 2 which just left a bad taste in my mouth. You can’t claim to be a devoted yandere but then proceed to cheat on the person you claim that you would live, die, and do anything for.
@@yolandastargaze4565 but he doesn’t love, love. He liked the idea of her and once he realized she wasn’t this thing he fantasized about, he didn’t want her. (which made him fantasize about his new neighbor in season 3) At the end of the day he doesn’t love his love interests, he likes the idea of them being perfect and if they don’t fit that “perfect” requirement, he loses interest.
@@foxymanaic5934 I interpreted it as him thinking “I don’t WANT to kill him (but I have to)” “who WANTS to kill people? They do it because they have to” as a way to justify it
It’s honestly chilling how quickly Joe went to the story of “she fell” when he hit peaches, not even a split second of guilt, the blame literally rolled off his tongue without him having to lie to himself
@@miguelchirilov1650 narcissists are incredibly good at reading people, that’s how they manipulate. any manipulative person is good at reading peoples needs/insecurities/desires and exploiting them for their own gain.
To the people who simp over Joe, you have to understand... there is people like you who wish they had a Joe for themselves whilst there are real innocent guys and girls out there who wish their Joe never existed.
hes so chilling and psychologically scary, but part of me feels so sad for him. he never knew what love was growing up which is why he craved it so much when he got older.
The most unsettling thing regarding joe’s behavior is when his inner monologue goes to try and justify whatever bad thing he ends up doing with no thought to just how wrong his reasoning is
Surprised nobody has picked up on why he doesn’t like people who do things he does himself. Joe doesn’t like himself and is always in some fantasy world where he’s a protector and provider. The very reason why he was pulling away from Love despite her being perfect for him.
I’m confused on how I feel about Beck. On one hand we do see her from Joe’s perspective so it is pretty biased. But in the book she admits to wanting to break up Dr. Nicky’s marriage. Of course it could have been the situation of her being in the cage but still. Dr. Nicky’s notes even classify her as a selfish attention seeking, hyper sexualized narcissist. She definitely had her flaws, and was toxic af stringing Peach along, but Joe is straight up crazy. The hoops he jumps to justify some things is horrible
that's the thing though, dr nicki's perspective is just as biased as joe's. he took advantage of his emotionally vulnerable client. of course he would try to justify it
@@alexjulia4870 true but that happens latter. He was able to distinguish what she tried to do from the beginning, and then in the middle gave in, and got burned like everyone else beck strung along at the end. Even then she STILL admits to wanting to break up his Marriage and ruin his kids. Probably because of her own dad and his new family. It SEEMS she was vindictive enough to want to be the reason some other children had to grow up with a distorted view of their dad like she did with hers. It’s AMAZING how complex everyone can be in the show. Like some scenes I feel bad for Joe and then I have to snap myself out because uh, duh, it’s a unreliable narrator we are following around
If anything that just proves how trash Beck was. At least with Love she knew she wasn’t a good person. It was Joe’s rose colored glasses that saw her as that until he found out the truth. The thing I hate about Beck is she was a super boring nympho with no redeeming qualities other than being pretty. I loved how in the new season Joe called her a child. That’s exactly how she acted. She was a selfish spoiled brat who just played around with people just because she had daddy issues. I don’t think she ever loved Joe. She only wanted him back because she saw he was with Karen and gets off on ruining relationships. She even had the nerve to mock Karen afterwards falling her a “bitter ex.” Love was real and honest about who she was while Beck just played the victim for a lot of the problems SHE caused. The people that try to justify Beck’s actions are probably the same people who simp for Alinity. You can do whatever you want and be a terrible person as long as you’re attractive.
@Peko Pekoyama beck was manipulated by her therapist, it is not her fault. there is a reason why there are rules against therapist & client relationships, it’s a power imbalance. so tell me, who did she play with? men used her because she was vulnerable. it honestly just sounds like u dislike women. she’s not complex, sure, but that’s because she represents the everyday person. she wants what she wants, i find it hilarious when ppl critique beck for playing w joe’s feelings when joe literally killed her bf, best friend and HER tf
I just finished season 1 and it creeps me out how charming and attractive his fake persona was... like i could perfectly be like Beck in some situations... the script was awesome and i love the performances of all the actors, penn badgley, can't wait to see S2
hes not a psychopath bc psychopaths cant have a real relationship. there is always another reason whether its sex, money, or watever but joe falls in love and is obsessive and psychopaths literally can not do that.
He’s a sociopath because psychopaths are born a psychopath. A sociopath is made through trauma. Given his past with his abusive dad and being locked in a cage, he became a sociopath.
Even though Beck cheated and was shitty in that aspect, what she got was so undeserved and she was just a broken insecure woman and Joe thrives off that. I think season 1 made me so nervous and upset bc I have been in a position of being manipulated by a man when I was in a very bad place and he knew that and used it to his advantage. (Obviously not to Joe’s extent but throughout the season I saw similarities in behavior and how he talked to Beck). I’m excited to see season 3 as Love is a mirror of Joe and that isn’t what he wants. He wants a naive easily manipulated insecure woman, and she’s anything but that. Idk how he’s gonna handle it 💀 Ngl I wanna see Joe taken down
just want to affirm your sanity bc some of these comments are horrifying. you are correct, no, we're not supposed to actually blame Beck, yes, he is the deeply disturbing villain from first shot. we're just supposed catch ourselves occasionally being manipulated by him and go 'fuck am i thinking'. Beck was just an average person, and it doesn't matter exactly why she did some shitty little things. that's not why she died. nobody could actually fulfill his needs. only way she coulda survived longterm after meeting him is maybe if she'd fled the city really early on. the writers tried to make it crystal clear, but the ppl who really want to victim-blame will find a way.
Yeah, its shocking how so many people zoom in on the cheating, meanwhile he also cheated on Karen with her. Not to mention the murdering and stalking. The relationship started on false pretenses because he broke into her home and stole things.
Thanks for this comment , you resorted me 0,000000001% faith in humanity. Personally, I really liked Joe as an interesting character however *I am absolutely not rooting for him and excusing his actions* !💀 Just as you said , Beck didn’t deserve to be treated like that.She was clearly a vulnerable person who struggled with herself and needed *genuine help* .I felt really very bad that she only attracted bad people just because she was in bad place.I actually wanted her to survive and finally being able standing up for herself.
People complain about beck being thsi unremarkable person and I’m like that’s the point. Even the most mundane person, such as you and I can end up becoming victims of people like beck, kind of clever writing yet scary since it’s showcases how the e whole asking for it counter argument is bull.
@@Thatone10 Yeah I tried to get through the first season but the audience just didn't want to realize that the creators are showing how manipulative he is that he's not a good guy and isn't cute or adorable
