Lots of people became healthy on a long term carnivore diet, lots of people became healthy on a long term vegan whole food diet. Whats the common denominator? They all cut out refined sugar.
@@wednesdayschild3627 your gut is an ecosystem of its own, and it is not the same as others. Cardialogists aren't nutrition experts nor I think they spend a huge amount in time on it. Their knowledge on it I think comes from their own interest and research. The best way for you to to get closer to the right diet for you, is eliminations of the things you know are bad and cause inflammation, and continuous blood work to compare (possibly with the help of a dietitian), reduce body weight (as you don't want to stress your heart out). On top of that you then add the type of cardiovascular workouts that help improve your heart without stressing it too much.
there will never be one because its 1. more lucrative for the diet industry to lead us in circles about this issue and 2. The truth: there is no one real right answer because there are specific people who can eat meat, and others would be better off without it. 3. If you study the people who live over 100 years old, alot of times they are eating crap, but, have great social stills, small portions or other things that keep them happy and that has a definate impact on healthy life.
So I went from vegan a couple years ago to paleo in spring of 2022. I felt ok on the vegan "diet", but now that 95% of my diet is natural foods, not grains, not pea protein, I feel fantastic. My psoriasis has cleared up, I have more energy, etc. I have a really simple solution for everyone out there. Ask your parents what your grandparents ate. I sat down with my mom the other night, and she told me. The only processed food my mother's parents ever ate, was oatmeal and cream of wheat, which my grandmother ate. They grew up during the depression. My grandparents, my mom's side, lived into their mid '80's. My dad's parents were both passed on by the time they were my age, I'm 54. My mom told me they ate 3 meals a day, they cooked everyday, no dessert, no candy in the house, no sugary cereal, just shredded wheat biscuit. They ate hamburgers, chicken, eggs and bacon, steak(cheap steak). My grandfather, never allowed any of the processed crap in his house. And this was back in the '30's thru the 90's. What killed him was his smoking, when he got cancer, he was 83 years old. And he still lived for a couple of years. Real simple.
honestly, whilst processed meats CAN be somewhat dodgy... even those "cautions" are often overblown/nonsensical. A lot of the time, these come from associational epidemiology/food questionaire data... robb wolf and similar have broken many of those down... some of them for example count an entire 2000 calorie pizza with ham on it as "processed meat"... these types of studies/epidemiology is pretty worthless in the vast majority of cases
Excellent talk on how so many studies can be taken out of context, misinterpreted and lead people astray. As much as i appreciate scientific studies I take them with a big grain of salt as i do everything else
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As a vegan, I actually liked a lot of what she had to say. There's a reason why most of the big vegan health advocates now draw a distinction between a 'vegan' diet, and a vegan 'whole foods, plant based diet', and that reason is a lot of what they were talking about. Coca cola is vegan. Oreo cookies are vegan. Pasta, bread, and other high glycemic index foods can all be made vegan, but that doesn't mean they are automatically good for you because they don't contain animal products. There is a lot of heavily processed vegan crap food out there, so just going vegan is not enough to make you healthy. For that, you have to acquire the taste for vegetables, and make them the bulk of your diet. Whether you are vegan, paleo, keto, or whatever else, that seems to be the common factor in being healthy- eat your veggies, and lay off the processed crap. Maybe exercise a little too.
But, throughout human history, animal products have for the most part been a crucial part of the human diet throughout ones life, variously. Case by case basis, as to optimization factors. Another big thing, is that many people tend to eat more than they should, and that goes for vegans also. Over consumption of starch foods is the biggest causation of diseasements, including the common cold. Know thy lymph, know thy joints (even peanuts are bad from my experience), know what 'Body Integrity' is,… as distinct from 'health'.
@@bonsummers2657 boiled or steamed starches should account for the bulk of our calories. Corn, Buckwheat, Quinoa, Rice, Beans, Potatoes ect have fueled civilizations since the agricultural revolution. Fried or baked starches aren't good for us, or at least only a small percentage of our calories should come from this. Fries, breads, Fried rice, ect
Yes starches are cheap and readily storeable, and have been highly important in the making of modern societies over the past 10K + years, but, starches readily gunk up the body, i.e. gunk up the lymph, gunk up the joints,…. I know this very well, and so, I find it best I minimize starches, typically infrequently consumed. If/when I do eat starches I find it best for the starches to be wet, not dry, and very well cooked, especially grain starches, for my best body integrity. I know this very well by results with my body. Do you get sick? I don't get sick,… or not significantly in the rare instances I do. Although quality beer, basic quality beer, is excellent for my health. How are your joints? Any 'nodules/cyst' type thinks developing in your body. Btw, low grade / CAFO animal foods can also be problematic. Quality fruits, dairy, beer, eggs, greens, meat/flesh, usually work great for me. @@aaronpannell6401
He thinks 'red meat" is a masculine thing, and he's going to justify it, no matter what. Like most American men, he also thinks vegans are effeminate, so he's gong to be against that. No amount of evidence will change that. He's irrational.
@@Alex-lu3pn what do you think your "beef" is eating? Soy! Unless your eating 100% organic and grass fed meat, which your most likely not, then your getting these so called soy estrogens. Very ignorant comment.
I just stick to my usual stuff, I've been healthy for decades. Chicken, some veggies, and some red meat 2-3 times a week. Then maybe once a week I'll have some bread or a snack. Surprisingly enough, you can have chips. You just can't have chips every single day with every meal.
LDL isn't the problem. High fasting insulin caused by to many carbs in an insulin resistant person leads to inflammation. Inflammation in the arteries lead to lesions which the body tries to repair by plastering over with cholesterol. The process is much more complicated but that is the quick and dirty explanation. Your triglyceride / HDL ratio is much more important than your LDL level in predicting cardio events. Under 2 is good. 2-4 is high, and over 4 is very high risk. A low ratio is also predictive of having more large fluffy particles instead of small dense LDL.
@A damn smart guy That's complete bullshit. To get diabetes you need to eat too many carbs because then your insulin gets more resistant. Fat and insulin don't react!
Absolutely. If anyone is worried about these plaques, berberine is clinically proven to help remove them. A natural herb taken by the Chinese for thousands of years.
So summarized what she is concluding is: saturated fat and protein are not bad, as long as you are exercising regularly. Refined carbohydrates (Sugar) is always bad exercise or no exercise, but has less impact with exercise.
@@Ultimusnutrition Studies link fish intake to high intelligence and mental health due to omega 3 fatty acids so that's a good bet. In this categori mackerel is preferable due to the low content of toxic metals that predator fish such as tuna and salmon contains.
@@BonafideDG She mentioned in the video how protein is linked to cancer *only if* you live a sedentary, unhealthy lifestyle. Could you please explain how red meat is cancer-inducing if you live a healthy lifestyle?
Andrea Thompson a characteristic of celiac disease is it destroys the villi and the top part of the stomach that produces lactase to break the lactose down. Most people with celiac or strong gluten intolerance are able to consume dairy products after 3-6 months of gluten free diet
I had a heart attack at age 46. I really didn’t eat that much red meat but I probably had a lot of bad fats and refined sugars. I actually think it has more to do with triglycerides than anything else. Also, my HDL cholesterol is genetically low and I can’t raise it. I do eat some cold water fish to lower my triglycerides, and I definitely reduced my sugar intake even natural sugar. My triglycerides low now. Plus I also take a statin. I also have confounding factors like high stress, lack of sleep, working a high-pressure engineering job. I eat much more greens now.
Statins do not lower ANY risk. It's a slow death pill. Sheesh, wake up. So please keep taking your statins, you will die sooner, RIP, It is a price to pay for stupidity.
Sounds like you could add a Green drink to assist with the stress. Trace minerals we don't get any longer 👌 you can also add essential oils like lavender and others for the stress as well. Sounds like you've come a long way to health 👍
Anyone have the links to the studies she's talking about? In particular the protein intake and all cause mortality/cancer mortality with data thats sub analysed? I can't find any evidence backing her claims.
Oldest rule in the book but just eat everything in moderation. Balanced diet... workout 3-4x a week.. you’ll be aight. No one dying or obese from having some steak once a week and some dessert once or twice a week lol
@@jsobers I workout a lot and drink nothing but water all day and im in shape but my food diet is shit. I eat steak and cheese or pizza and shit like that every day of the week. Don’t know if it’s safe lol
@@benroethlisberger2567 you'd be better off not eating those things and having a good diet. If you only lift weights and eat like that maybe your heart isn't so great but as long as you do cardio, and you're not hamfisting 5000 calories a day you'll be fine
but they do, all the fucking time. Meat is processed in ways that you can't imagine......at best, the corpse is a week old before you eat it, it is pumped with water, salt, sugars, colourings, antibiotics, growth hormones, mechanically recovered, every conceivable piece of flesh stripped with the use of carcinogenic chemicals & compounds........in your burgers, sausages, mince, pies, kebabs & tinned meats, you will find lips, nose, ears, anus, eyelids, tail, skin etc.
I would love Joe talking to a WFPB guy like Dr. Greger - i think their standpoint as not as far from each other as one might think, except their views on meat.
Dr Rhonda is very flexible with her answers. She seems to be popular among high fat keto communities and carnivore and do podcasts with vegans about the benefits of low fat and plant foods.
I don't need any studies to know what's best for my health. I've been vegetarian for years and vegan for a year and i've done extensive lab tests (CRP, liver tests, kidney tests, blood lipids, tumor markers, vitamins, etc). Then i switched to a Ketogenic diet due to health issues and i've done the same blood tests a year later. Results? I've had decent blood picture being vegetarian, but i have SUPERB blood parameters now and i feel AMAZING! High fat animal based unprocessed diet works best for me, so vegans stop spreading your high carb nonsense. It might work for you, but we're not all the same - THANK GOD.
voltaspeeder17 - You say you don't need studies to know what's best for health... Then, proceed to list the extensive studies done on yourself to verify that you're healthy lol.
don’t go high fat high carb at same time. lean one way or the other, while not completely eliminating either, eat lots of vegetables, eat natural foods.
Why does this channel never post links to what they're talking about. Every time they say, there was a study'. I'm like, yes and I want to read it.....
@@iliillillilli2991 Hahahah. It's a basic rule in debate or discussion. Channels with 100k subs or less can do it, and Joe can't. And I would hope that it wasn't just the first study that popped up on google. That's not always the most legitimate one. Point is, "there was a study" normally means. I'm talking out my arse but still consider what it is I'm saying.
@@davefx7949don't speak on behalf of all scientists and researchers who say "there's a study" for the sake of conversational brevity. If they started to cite names of researchers and journals in which it was published, that would make conversations quite long. I, for example, don't cite the title of my research paper or the journal it which it's published because both of them have more than 6 words each!
@@adarshrajbhatt6557 Sure when having casual conversation there is no need. But with subjects like this. And on as big of a platform like this. I need studies. They could fucking hire someone purely for that job hahah. Here's the solution. Lets just look in the description, and if we see no studies. Click away. Podcasts are horrible for funneling people into conspiracy bullshit.... The era of "juSt trUst mE bRo".
From Dr. Patrick's website: "To say that dietary intake of refined sugar is to blame for heart disease is tempting. But the reality is that the way our bodies respond to food is also complicated by our genetics, microbiome, and lifestyle factors. Until scientists learn more about the role these different factors play, moderating saturated fat consumption and boosting polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fat consumption seems prudent."
@@neilxify considering the only available evidence is that that stuff *in excess* is bad for you, I wouldn't say she has not idea what she's talking about Neil
Yes ,Dr./phd R. Patrick is mainstream shill, a quack masquerading as nutrition scientist. She supports killing people with polyunsaturated junk vegetable oils, canola etc. She supports killing people slowly with excess sugars. Sadly, Joe Rogan did not realize that at the time.
@@marioanid4710 but high iron levels can cause other issues it’s not all about weight and calories. It’s about getting proper nutrition and vitamins from the foods you eat and not having too little or too much.
Yo, here's the deal, eat meat, eat fresh fruit, and some non-starchy vegetables, and minimally of starchy foods,…. and don't eat 'too much'. Eat only enough for body integrity and performance. That should tighten up your stools very well, and still keep stools coming out, not constipated, nor mush. The balance. Try going 16 hours straight without any food, just water or minimally of other wholesome beverage which isn't especially sweet, some beer for example, or a broth of some sort.
She just confirmed what I discovered experientally I was on a vegan diet for 2 years + Intermittent fastinf+ lifting heavy. I was eating lots of carbs and even refined sugar. When I went back to eating "non vegan", I started to get more fat. Same lifestyle. Fasting, weights. And I ate way less carbohydrates but was still walking around more fat.
Food combination is paramount for proper digestion ! Meat and potatoes is a deadly combination- meat and green vegetables is a good combo- the fiber of the veg balances out the meat, starch and veg is balanced , eating less volume and fewer types of foods at a time. If you are craving something it is for a reason- your body is talking to you. Too much meat will cause you to crave sugar- sugar and protein balance each other in your metabolism. Meat is hard to digest so the craving for sugar is your bodies response to needing extra energy needed to digest the meat!!! Eating whole grains is more filling and calms the nerves because of the B vitamins in whole grains, refined grains will cause stress mentally and psychologically. Look at your bodies function!!!
In general yes, but oats are actually really good for digestion and gut health. Also switching over to less refined rice and potato’s like wild rice/sweet potatoes is the way to go. Over eating anything but especially the refined carbs is bad though.
Rice and potatoes are high in starch Vegans tend to over eat these foods ... they may have 2 cups of rice in one meal that’s wayyyyyyy to much ... your blood sugar will shoot sky high even if it’s brownrice... I eat it in portions like 1/2 cup a meal that’s it more then one cup I’d eat to much honestly meat vegans fruits is pretty much all we need grains and beans are pretty much filler foods ... beans have a better benefit then grains fr sure
When discussing this with rich roll she was all about how important plant foods are. Now she's arguing that eating meat is no problem at all she is incredibly 2 faced
It confuses me how my brother can eat snacks and sugary stuff and not do any cardio. Then I eat well and workout every other day and have less than him, shit pisses me off
What kind of exercise does your brother get? It's no controversy that cardio doesn't do anything significant for fat loss, though it's very good for you in other ways.
@@rubenpartono he barely does any, takes the dog for a light 20 minute run about every week. We both lift. I agree with you though, cardio has great benefits in regard to your mental health. I be fallen off the wagon and your comment reminds me that I need to hop back on lol
I think the doctor wasnt correct sbout vegan person eating cookies etc. I think wether u r on a vegan diet or SAD, if u consume lots of refined carbs, the percentage of your LDL that is glycated will be high, although the numbers may be higher for SAD. If u eat healthy, most of your LDLs will be normal. If u r on a statin, but on a SAD, your LDLs (normal ones) are taken up by the liver more quickly (inc receptors), but your glycated LDLs will not be recognized, and cause clot cascade. My argument is that if u eat tons of carbs on any diet u r equally as screwed.
vegans think plants are automatically healthier because they are digested easier...... meat is digested slower, but that's because the composition of meat is much more complex and it contains stuff that no plant-based food contains....... B12, creatine, DHA, carnosine, D3, heme iron etc......
She says that IGF 1 causes pre cancerous cells to become cancerous. That's deeply troubling , to me, because none of us know if we have pre cancerous cells.
we all have cancerous cells. It's just our immune system take care of them. The problem is when the immune system can't deal with them for any reason. That's why it is not wise to pursue a lifestyle which increases the risk (bad diet, not sleeping enough, smoking, etc.)
She also said that risk of precancerous cells turning into tumours can be mitigated by exercise (i.e., non-sedentary lifestyle) and eliminating refined carbohydrates that lead to precancerous cells in the first place.
NO! Honey is an antioxidant. It's literally food for the bees. Humans have eaten honey for thousands of years. I've been eating honey everyday for over a year. It's far superior to refined sugar!
There is not enough controlled data on long-term vegans (i.e most of them quit) to sufficiently determine if they suffer less overall heart conditions and/or mortality.
So meat eaters who have a healthy diet have a same life expectancy as "vegetarians". Hopefully the comparison is to vegetarians who have a healthy diet.
There are no studies of vegan life expectancy. They pass off someone who claims theyve been vegan for 2,5 years, as a lifetime vegan. Its nonsense. No vegans have even existed, certainly havent been recorded. So thats a very natural diet, right?
why is it joe rogan is avoiding having dr. michael gregor on the podcast at the same time as dr Rhonda Patrick, I think it would be immensely helpful to have two opposing viewpoints respected by both vegan and carnivorous community hash this out as opposed to listening to both parties that largely agree with each other.
SO IS NOT THE FACTOR, BUT THE COMPOUNDING OF DIFERENT FACTORS THAT COMPROMISE ONE'S HEALTH; IN OTHER WORDS, ITS NOT MEAT, BUT RATHER MEAT' ALONG' WITH....
Hi Ronda, you're my favorite nutritionist. You cited a study on this episode where they found no link to meat and cancer if there were no other harmful habits included. If you remember I'd like to know what that study was called. Thank you, Eddie.
Sorry, red meat and risk of cancer is proven, and has been for decades. However, only IF the meat is prepared over high heat, or low heat for a long time; meat cooked to the point of browning (Maillard reaction) for that delicious golden brown crust, or black grill/barbecue marks are protein to have high levels of carcinogenic compounds called *heterocyclic amines (HCA)* and *polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAH).* These are proven to be mutagenic to animal cells and DNA. It's a damn shame since I love pan fried golden brown crusts on meat. It's also a shame because red meat is so important for animal fat, protein, iron, cholesterol, vitamins a, d, e, k, and especially B12. The solutions then, to reduce formation of HCAs and PAHs, are to marinate the meats with certain ingredients (effectively protecting against HCA formation at high temperatures) or avoid cooking meats at high temperatures. Also avoid processed meats, i.e., smoked, cured. I'm on the same journey as well right now to finding ways to have delicious and nutritionally important red meat in my diet, without the cancer and neurodegeneration caused by HCAs.
@William Fox According to the ongoing research over the decades, it's a very significant carcinogenic risk. Actual estimates vary, so you should look up the statistics yourself. One source cites 1.18 times increased risk of developing bowel cancer per 50 grams of processed red meat consumed per day. In any case, the World Health Organization classifies processed red meats as Class 1 Carcinogens, meaning there's strong evidence they cause cancer. Unprocessed red meats are classed as Class 2A Carcinogens meaning they probably cause cancer, and that varies depending on cooking methods.
@@Un1234l class 2A also means said antagonistic evidence against the product may have potential bias upon further scrutiny. Most of the evidence against red meat is pushed heavily by pro-vegan scientists and none of it seems to have any control. So atm the only solid cancer-claim against red meat is if you char the meat to produce hydrocarbons.
@@Un1234l "proven" There isn't a single human trial on the subject. It has been "proven" freeze dried blood sausage causes cancer in calcium deficient mice.
@@Teo_live How big can that pro vegan agenda be to be fair - vegans make up like 1-2% of the world population, and probably similar in number of scientists. How could 1-2% of scientists be pushing this evidence so successfully? If you include vegetarians you might get up to 10%. I think you're attributing far too much power to such a small minority of people. I think you're also discounting that many in the vegan and vegetarian group will have changed their diet due to the evidence, not the other way round.
passive FIST there is nothing wrong with his diet or his knowledge on nutrition different diets work on different people some people can live well as vegans and some function much more on a diet that includes meat.
Other side? Health shouldn't be relegated to ideology. Vegan and Vegetarians are disproportionately diagnosed with Heart Disease, animal and fish protein are essential to human survival, as is the fiber matrix of vegetables. It's how we evolved.
I’ve cut out saturated fats which of course included all meats only ate non fat yogurt oatmeal and vegetables and greens and fruits and lost 33 lbs in 6 weeks and felt great . Now I’m slowly incorporating fish into my diet for protein
I guess you're also incorporating a lot of mercury, cadmium, and aluminum in your diet as well. Get your proteins from beans and nuts and other vegetables and save yourself the future Alzheimer's.
wait so a really healthy lifestyle-livin meat eater has the same risk as the average vegan/vegetarian, who doesnt necessarily have a healthy lifestyle?
Meat may or may not be unhealthy, but one thing is for sure it's not healthy . Vegetables , fruits, been and whole grain are proven to be very very good for you and have zero risk. Plus you are not a slave to the meet industry and pharmacudical industry . And helping the planet. I really don't see the debate here
Why do you say for sure it's not healthy? Meat is pretty nutrient-dense, high in protein etc. Even sites like healthline.com say that red meat is healthy when prepared properly.
Hundreds of epidemiological studies as referenced by the WHO, which consider red meat a Type 2 carcinogen. Also the mechanistic data which shows the heme iron can catalyze formation of carcenogenic compounds. Those who don't eat meat have also been found to have a lower risk of cancers such as colorectal and prostate cancer for instance
So what compounds are in red meat that are carcinogenic? Do those compounds not exist in non-red meat? Why are those compounds carcinogenic? If the argument is "Well here's a correlation between people that ate this and people that didn't eat this", it's a horseshit argument. When ice cream sales rise, the murder rate rises. That's a fact. That doesn't mean ice cream sales cause murder.
Switch Kick Watch What The Health and do some research... Or a simple google search might inform you. ALL MEAT whether it's fresh game or store bought is a class 1 carcinogen. The World Health Organiztion has it posted on their site as a class 1 carcinogen... You don't know what your talking about.
"if you replace saturated fat with refined sugar, it does not decrease the risk of heart disease" okay, but who does that? What if you replace it with legumes and sweet potatoes?
Even the clinical trials where they replace SF with PUF didn’t show a lower heart disease risk. The demonization of SF is not supported by the rigorous science, which is the point she is making
SO it's pretty uncontroversial that meat still is a factor in cancer otherwise smoking, refined sugar and drinking wouldn't make meat eaters at MORE risk to cancer than vegans who engage in the same.
The prime factor in cancer is the loss of oxygen in a cell. As long as a cell has enough oxygen in it cancer doesn't happen. A very large factor is eating oxygen depleted vegetable oils. Yes, the processed soy, canola and corn oil lining your grocery shelves and in your baked and bottled goods. There are many secondary causes such as smoking that causes cancer. A big factor in colon cancer is fiber. The highest fiber intake had the highest colon cancer rate. You talk research but provide NONE.
The Random Tube red meat is class 2 carcinogenic. Not the same as processed meats. Don’t get offended by the facts. WHO reviewed thousands of studies with experts from multiple countries with no bias involved. This information is legit whether you know how to do the research or not.
The Random Tube well sir you can review the literature yourself at nutritionfacts.org Go to the “sources” tab on each video topic and it’s all there for free ✌️
Processed meat is categorized as Class 1 carcinogen by IARC, the most prestigious world health organization on cancer research. The same group as asbestos, arsenic and tobacco. Go and check it to yourself: monographs.iarc.fr/ENG/Classification/index.php Just type: "meat" in the search fireld
