Been training in Jiu Jitsu for just over 2 months now, my first day in training I went up against this skinny 14 year old kid and within 1 minute he got me to tap, and I'm 23. Jiu Jitsu can kill your ego if you aren't prepared for it
Same exact thing with me. I was a really jacked 190 pound wrestler 21 years old at a mma gym and after i took down a 130 pound 14 year old he triangled me immideiately. It bothers me still lol. Martial arts will always humble you if you stay consistent
jo7dan119 Those aren’t aikido techniques though. They are from classical jujitsu. The founder of Aikido was a student of Daito-ryu Aiki-Jitsu. He just made his Aikido much more peace and love after WW2 and his experiences with a small Japanese cult. Aikido didn’t really invent anything. It just layered a pacifist philosophy over a bunch of previously deadly techniques.
Aikido isn't that practical. With that being said, I learned Yon Kajo nerve techniques from Yoshinkan Aikido. They can be used when grabbing opponents, and if used correctly, are fucking painful. It's the most hard core Aikido, but still not too practical. The footwork and balance work is useful though. So are front and back rolls. I prefer bjj though.
I remember my first day on the matts. It was one of the most humbling and important lessons of my life. I got dominated so badly by a blue belt and for the first time in my life I was shown how vulnerable I really was against someone who was trained to fight. For many, this experience mades them walk away, but for me it made me want to learn how not to vulnerable anymore. Nearly 3 years later I’m a blue belt myself and I hope I already have, or will someday give someone else a similar experience to what I had on my first day and motivate them to learning Jiu Jitsu.
Similarly to Lex, I come from a background of calisthenics and powerlifting, and about two months ago I had my first Brazilian Jiu Jitsu class. I'm athletic, physically built 190lbs, 6ft tall, 20 years old, and yet none of that matters. I got my ass whooped hard by a blue belt who weighed probably no more than 150lbs and was nowhere near me in raw strength. Arm bar, kimura, all sorts of chokes, you name it - he got me in those positions effortlessly, and I couldn't do much about it. Since then I've gotten better, but every class is an incredibly humbling experience. If you're on the fence about starting BJJ, just go for it! You will not regret it.
It's the same for ANY sport, bud. You can be the most fit, athletic, and well-conditioned athlete in the world, but if you don't have knowledge and technical skills in any sport, you will fail, and fail miserably. I've seen big, athletic, muscular men nearly drown in the ocean for the simple reason they did not have knowledge of waves and rip currents. A shark out of water is harmless. A lion in deep water is harmless. A human who is out of his/her element is harmless.
6ft tall is average, 190 lbs is slightly above average, your poor attempt to hype up jiu jitsu like 20 million people have done before you already failed miserably
@@RocArio always the same with you people, you don't even know me and already you assume I haven't tried it, I've trained judo for 7 years so please respectfully fuck off
Jiu Jitsu guys came into my wrestling room, a purple and blue belt, who never wrestled for an entire year themselves completely fucked my entire team up (we do have many freshman but impressive still) and yesterday I went to their gym to start bjj and the humbling aspect is very true. Found my next new passion
A wrestling base has pros and cons for bjj. Coming in with wrestling gives you take downs, balance an understanding of pressure and contoll. A great top game. My first day rolling bjj I caught a guy in an arm triangle. I didn't know what it was even called at the time my wrestling coach called it #2 side or a cross face pin. Once I had the guy in it they talked me through the finer points to get choke. The cons anything involving exposing my back made very uncomfortable. It took a long time to be comfortable working off my back. I am still very lopsided in that my top pressure game is far superior to my sweeps and working from guard. I love bjj but I still miss wrestling, maybe it was the girls checking out our singlets and being a ripped 18 year old lol
@@keanenfulton4696 thanks for your comment bro, really helps out beginners like me who are worried about how long it will take to finally see major improvements.
Just got finished with my first bjj class. The first hour was cardio and drills focusing on footwork. The second hour was grappling and takedowns. I am now going to pursue private lessons atleast twice a week. Martial arts will now be a part of my lifestyle
@@swayambasnet8936 good, in about a month I should get my forst stripe. I'm also hitting the weight room. Having alot of fun with bjj, even though I get worked by the upper belts lol.
@@intellectualjr8085 yes and that doesn't really matter. Probably better for you if you're going to roll with adults because they are less likely to hurt you.
I remember getting manhandled by a bluebelt at an affiliate gym early on in my training, to see someone control me the way he did I knew instantly " Oh theres no fucking way i'm not going to learn this" knowing that blue was the first belt you earned I thought that's such an acquirable skill set to effectively control someone.
@@ofathousandstrings2396 My 9 year old earned his white belt 2 weeks ago, after he did his free trial at our local BJJ gym and I asked him if he wanted to keep doing it before we signed him up to officially join and he said "I want to do this the rest of my life". He earned it by me going to amazon and buying his first Gi and the white belt came with it haha
Maybe that is why they posted the link below the title to help you: Taken from Joe Rogan Experience #1188: www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5FOu... I.E. Lex Fridman
I started my first BJJ class two weeks ago, my first opponent was a blue belt, at least 5 year younger than me and 40 lbs lighter, before i blinked he had me in an arm bar
Joined BJJ 2 weeks ago. Already have had a few minor injuries, bruises, and scratches. But I LOVE IT 🥰 I highly recommend for women. We’ve been missing out trust me! You don’t have to be good at it. Every single person in my class is on their own time and individual journey. We all have personal goals, some compete, some simply enjoy the class.
A real hard liver punch is a "touch of death" if done hard enough. look up Bas Ruten liver punching a guy in the ring and causing his liver to rupture.
IMO, the whole modern Jujitsu split should be treated like this: 1. Learn Judo from zero to 1st Dan black belt for a HEALTHY BASIS. 2. Start learning BJJ to get the higher aspects of Ne Waza, while progressing several Black Belt levels into the refinement of Judo (a 1st Dan Judo Black Belt is not a master, but a "ready student"). 3. When you get your BJJ Black Belt and your 6th Degree Dan Belt in Judo, start AiKido. 4. Aikido looks funny or unrealistic if you take it at face value, but any Judoka who has experienced and been taught Aikido techniques has surely learned that "oh fuck, this is extremely dangerous and painful": Apply Aikido with a Judo mentality, especially with a Judo MASTER mentality is probably the key.
@@AlexanderCollis we’re talking about style vs style. If a boxer can wrestle then he’s basically a mixed martial artist. The point remains that a boxer that knows nothing else loses to a BJJ fighter or judoka almost every time
Exactly right. Many people don’t stop to realize that science does not know what consciousness is. Thank God they keep trying AI with Binary. Because if they were using the holographic model to create AI, they may stumble into it.
In these maddening mellowing times, times where people and also myself had forgotten importance of coming out of your comfort zone, BJJ was truly one of the brightest things that I stumbled upon in my whole life. This martial art truly slaps you in the face. But the slaps are not slaps of hatred but a strikes of meaning and direction to guide you through life.
The problem with Aikido isn't even the techniques; you'll learn a lot of techniques in Aikido that are similar or identical to BJJ techniques. The difference is the circumstances under which you practice them. Next to no Aikido schools force their students to use the techniques against an uncooperative, resisting opponent who is skilled and doing their damnedest to use them on you with any regularity.
This is totally correct. I did one belt of Aikido, and I found that some of the techniques were great, but that you were not really applying them in challenging environment. Aikido is certainly much better than nothing to defend yourself if you know about its objectives and limitations, but it is more a 'martial art' in the philosophical way, that a combat-oriented discipline. It is still a good exercise for people that cannot handle more intense training regimes, and the ability to fall correctly can be life saving.
It is so cool to see someone that I would consider just a knot head like me and be nice to have a beer with be able to carry on a conversation with men of this caliber. You are my favorite interviewer.
The war on drugs costs the country about 193 billion per year. The FBI accounts about half of all drug crime to cannabis- if you want to keep pretending that wasting enough money to pay for all education in the US and ending world hunger combined, three times over every year, is not a big deal- that is your prerogative to act ignorant. If you think that creating black markets which drive up the value so high that shedding blood becomes worth it to some individuals creating a never ending cycle of violence is a smart move- your an idiot, and if you don't think stopping that is important- you're also an idiot.
Started BJJ 9 months ago, I’m not the biggest guy but have always been physically active and competitive, powerlifting was a huge part of my life, and boy I agree with Lex: this is the most humbling sport but also the most technical. I love how cerebral it is, details and angles matter, adjustments can be made but it’s also quick paced. It’s definitely an absolute art as Joe claims
bjj folk need to get locked up for life using words like "humble", there's nothing even remotely humble about it, they make fun of other martial arts, bodybuilders, hell even other grappling styles all the time
10:00 I hope everyone gets to experience what Joe is talking about here. The utter helplessness of grappling with someone who actually knows how to do Jiu-jitsu. As a white belt, even a particularly good blue belt can give you that.
BJJ white belt here who just took his 4th class. I literally sparred with a blue belt today and you exactly described what I experienced. It's been a humbling experience so far.
You can make any “ineffective” or “fake” martial art work if you include pressure tested martial arts, I do aikido and can make locks work because of my jiu jitsu and boxing training
akido does not work in the real world, one of the guys in my club has been doing akido for 26 yearss, but when it comes to striking.... dead meat.........he also holds 4 black belts.... akdio has no skills in the real world
@@Digitalcataloghub from what I've seen its very effective, the Israel's tend not to muck around when it comes to combat. From what i know they have taken bits from boxing, judo, karate etc and made it into a form. i guess when people do martial arts it depends on what they want from it- fitness, self defence, community, spiritual, mental etc... not everyone wants to fight, i have friends that do tai chi- they do it to relax.
the smurf You have obviously not done a grappling because you will accidentally get hit in jewels from time to time, and it will be debilitating. Or you could be a girl? What do I know.....
I worked out at the Quincy Vale Tudo club and went up against highschool/college wrestlers and football players. I was almost 30 and trying to get in shape while learning/improving grappling. I learned so much from everyone that submitted/rolled me. Most of the dudes were cool as hell and would, when asked, tell me how I they got to said position, how to identify, and try to defend against it. All the addtl' knowledge and wisdom that was shared, was phenomenal. Anytime I got "whooped", I needed to learn how/why.
It's disappointing to hear Joe say that. The truest martial art is the one that your practice diligently and faithfully all the time, the one that works for you. I love jiu jitsu, have been practicing it since 2002, but it does not complete me by itself.
Brazilian jiujitsu is such a amazing martial art getting humbled by someone smaller than you then over time being able to submit someone bigger than you is the most humbling experience that will give you real confidence
Judo is the truest martial art. BJJ is a specilisation of the newaza in judo, taught to the Brazilians by a Judoka. Jigoro Kano , the founder of Judo, developed a martial art based on perfect timing, leverage and technique.
“By the end of the 19th century, another school of Jujutsu was getting prominence beating several older schools in consecutive matches. This school was founded by Jigoro Kano and was called Kodokan Judo. Mataemon Tanabe, the then Fusen-Ryu master, challenged Kano school and his students won every match. Much to Kano´s surprise, they did not attempt throwing techniques, but rather went straight to the ground and applied Ne-Waza (ground techniques) submissions as arm-locks, leg-locks, pins and chokes. Kano, being very open-minded, was so fascinated by the Fusen-Ryu effectiveness, that he persuaded Tanabe to teach Kodokan students the concepts of his ryu´s strategy. Kano had consistently invited the heads of every Jujutsu ryu he encountered to incorporate their teachings into the Kodokan curriculum. The Ne-Waza component however became a major part of Judo influencing its development greatly. Among these early students were prominent to be Kodokan judokas by the likes of Yoshiaki Yamashita, Hirata Kanae, Tsunejiro Tomita, Sakujiro Yokoyama and Maeda - the latter being the one who eventually taught Judo to the Gracie family, which would later develop into Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu (some people think Jiu-Jitsu is actually a misspelling of Jujutsu, but as both are ‘romanised’ versions of Japanese Kanji script, neither is strictly speaking ‘wrong’).” BJJ is essentially a renaming of the Fusen-ryu methods using Ne-waza, Kano agreed they were more effective than his Kadokan Judo and so incorporated them into his “judo”, he then took “Judo” outside of Japan, but they all come from Ju Jutsu.
@@IamDude2 See, here's the problem: What you are referring to is also known as "higher judo". The problem with BJJ is that they eliminated and overlooked the whole dimension of breakfalls, imbalance subtleties, and takedowns of the rest of the system. BJJ basically gets away with teaching higher-level ne-waza techniques faster because they completely ignore the rest of the art of Jujutsu. Ideally, you'd do this: Judo until 1st Dan Black Belt -> BJJ (Judo advanced Ne-waza) + Advanced Judo (2nd-6th dan belts) -> Aikido.
@@davida.rosales6025 you do realise Judo ignores many elements of Ju Jutsu? I don’t think you actually read my post above, but in any case I disagree, I think the combination of wrestling and Fusen-ryu of Ju Jutsu (BJJ as it is now called) is most effective.
Every martial artist says their martial art is the best. Its about cultivating the self. Fighting is only one leaf on the tree of martial arts. Learn to fight get good. But if your art is complete, it will teach you about your short comings, and how to live. All martial arts are good, they all go to the same place. Learn it all to forget it all. When your at the forget it all stage, there is no fight left. Then your art becomes you. Train hard, past your ability. Nothing beats disciplinary arts.
"Every martial artist says their martial art is the best" except some are better than others, some are pointless "Nothing beats disciplinary arts" you can be a karate black belt but a fit highschool wrestler will still take you down and beat your ass. "But if your art is complete, it will teach you about your short comings" this really isn't true I should've stopped at the first sentence but unfortunately didn't.
@@MoooseBlood I can honestly see where you get that. But what I wrote is after 45 years of training. busted body parts all over, and just the politics of it all, after a while I just started to realize that there was more. I totally agree with you if you can't fight get the f*** out, no wimps allowed type of thing. But at some point when you get older you start to question the fighting and see it more as a stage then as the only means. It was something I heard in a martial art movie Once, if you want to fight by a gun, but if you want to be a good person, train in martial arts. At this stage I truly believe attitude is everything, fighting is just something you have to go through to prove yourself. I used to think that was everything. Maybe in the future I'll think something else.
I've done Aikido, it can technically work against other martial arts but is usually unnecessary. Jiu Jitsu is the original that both Judo and Aikido derived from. Tai Chi is a more complete version of the same thing Aikido is trying to achieve but from a harmonious rather than defensive approach which is also different than offensive approaches.
@@SharifSourour jiujitsu is the developed ground version(ne waza) of judo. Originally even judo was called kano jujutsu. So, judo didnt come from jiujitsu, but the latter branched off from judo, known as kano jujutsu before.
@@therandomnomad435 well the reason judo was called kano jujitsu was because it was not judo it was jujitsu, because jujitsu came first historically. The judo we know, perhaps different than what you are referring to here, was made for sport and removed the fatal techniques from its jujitsu origin. Aikido went a whole different route focusing on energy manipulation and innovating techniques based on grappling.
Ne-waza came from Fusen-ryu of JuJutsa, Kano’s students of his new Judo were beaten by another school convincingly by their use of Ne-Waza so he asked the master to teach his students Ne-Waza. BJJ is Ne-Waza, so although Kano, via Mitsuyo Maeda, taught the Gracie’s it was in fact Tanabe (fusen-ryu JuJutsa) who taught Kano who applied it to his Judo. BJJ is Fusen-Ryu JuJutsa
This Quote is quite interesting regarding ‘touch of death’: “Pausanias relates the story of two boxers, Creugas and Damoxenos, who were competitors for the boxing crown at the Nemean Games, contests that at some point nearly rivaled the Olympic Games for their sacred aura. The two men battled to a draw, and so it was agreed that each man would get one free shot at his opponent, to see if either one could be felled in such a way that victory might be declared. Creugas went first, and landed a blow to Damoxenos’s head. Doubtlessly addled (Pausanias does not describe the blow), Damoxenos requested that Creugas raise his hands from his sides, then landed a blow to his abdomen with an open hand, but with such force that he tore into the man’s midsection and disemboweled him on the spot. The Nemean judges awarded Creugas the crown posthumously, but on a technicality; Damoxenos, they argued, had landed more than a single blow. Note that distinction: the judges objected to the number of blows, not to their violence. Pausanias, like most other Greeks, was much impressed by Panhellenic athletes who gave their lives for a crown. Most ancient Greek athletic sanctuaries were littered with monuments commemorating such untimely endings.” So yah, touch of death is real.
The guest's argumentation here regarding a "death touch" move relies on placing the greater burden of proof on Joe, i.e. the more reasonable stance, and pointedly, the falsifiable stance. Per Russell's Teapot, the philosophic burden of proof falls on the person making unfalsifiable claims (the guest: death tough might be real), rather than shifting the burden of disproof to others (Joe: from what we know, it's not). For anyone who felt the guest to be irritating, this is essentially why.
He is not saying that there IS a death touch, he is simply saying that we can’t say for sure it hasn’t been figured out and forgotten in the past; or some hidden tribe has figured it out. He never stated that for sure it exists, simply that we cannot say it can’t or doesn’t yet exist. You would he correct if he said I know there IS a death touch and you cant say no because you can’t disprove it.
I think wrestling has shown it is the dominant basis for MMA success as they tend to be able to control dominant positions, which is what wins most fights. Khabib, for example, is arguably the best fighter ever is essentially a superior wrestler that stays on top and just leverages down head strikes. Jiu jitsu is most of value for defense at this point (from bottom position) rather then an offensive technique, as a lot of the classic submission techniques are so well known that they can be avoided. You rarely see the classic BJJ submissions of early UFC events these days because fighters are so well drilled in how they’re set up
my first time going to a bjj class i was 16 and i swore i had everything down but i didn’t even know the purpose of the gi , and got cross choked from the mount by a smaller 19 year old blue belt , a year later i came back and my first roll i triangle choked a man who was at least in his mid 30’s and stangled a kid who had been training a little over a year with bow and arrow choke, never had had more confidence in my life jiu jitsu is the best thing ever
More than half of Jui-jitsu moves you can’t pull them off if you are getting punched in the face or fighting multiple opponents. BBJ is Good but it’s just one element in the universe of fighting.
@@milky3hunna So what defenses/attacks does BJJ have for knives or sticks/batons/makeshift clubs? Or do both parties need to sign a contract about what the rules are before the fight begins? I think we know the answer.
i am a jiu jitsu black belt, one day a friend who was doing aikido showed me a cross arm grip wristlock, i use it all the time , its more a grip breaker than a submission, but it works, sometimes if the dudes wont let go of the grip they tap
I train Japanese Jiu Jitsu and bjj. Usually the same day. One for standing, one for the ground. My jjj is more well rounded for self defense. We train weapons in jjj. Knives, guns…. My Jjj instructor is a retired firearms instructor. Bjj is more a sport right now. 1/3 of the aggression I experience in jjj. Both are extremely important. But my goals are self defense.
This is what I've always wanted to say to people. I couldn't quite find the words, but Joe said it perfectly. If you box for 10 years, there's always the off chance a bigger or luckier opponent can completely embarrass you. In grappling, even if you're physically gifted, it's all technique and no luck.
When i started learning bjj from John Crouch it was like learning bjj with all kinds of subtle tips I never received before. It was because he's kind of narrow shouldered and chubby, without and natural strength, or athletic advantages. He had to break it all down and make it work with the most leverage possible.
Regards the "touch of death" I spoke to Wang Hai Jun, 29 gold medal winner national champion of traditional Chen style taijiquan [the oldest form of Tai Chi] and he categorically said it is not possible to knock someone over or inflict damage to organs etc. without contact. In 1996-1998 he was the all round national champion of China of Tai Chi in every category. When touring China with top Shaolin masters doing demos he met the best traditional martial artists of every generation, old school and modern and he said there is no Chinese martial art that does this. You also cannot do this with qigong. There is some kind of hypnosis that a teacher can influence students to believe they are being pushed over but basically they trip themselves up. This will not work on someone on the street and certainly not with a trained fighter. What is real however is the ability to generate huge amounts of power from any part of the body from very short distances of one inch or less however this is seen cleanly in just a few hundred practitioners. 200 million plus people do Tai Chi, and add up qigong and other internal arts like Xing-yi and bagua and the amount of people out there fooling people is huge. I once offered Conor Mcgregors coach host a seminar for Wang Hai Jun and John Kavanagh was up for it but then his jiu jitsu coach wouldn't allow it as he has a policy of no traditional martial artists teaching at SBG. This was when McGregor fought Dustin Poirier for the first time. It was a sad moment for me as I love and respect MMA and traditional Taijiquan and if John's coach was more like Lex this could have been an amazing learning moment comparing training methods, techniques and actual fighting skills from a real internal martial arts highly decorated champion and the coach of more national champions than anyone else at the time the level and judging competitively was at its highest in China. Maybe next time I'm in Curitiba teaching I will get to meet Anderson Silva and have a chat about this. Anyway here are some names of the old school masters now in their 70's with skill Chen Jun, Chen Xiao Xing, Chen XiaoWang, Wang Xian, Chen Zhenglei, and the younger Wang Hai Jun who just turned 50.
I could see a lot of wing chun by ferguson in that fight not just the elbow. Paul Vunak taught the wing chun, but later in life ditched a bit of that because he knew that he was dealing with the masses (not capable/disciplined to train it) so he just went to dirty fighting more eye gouging, biting, hitting/grabbing the balls.
Perhaps jujitsu is the best one on one combat technique against armored opponents... historically speaking my understanding is it was developed for unarmed villager types to have a method to disable armed and armored opponents... but in unarmored combat a quick strike is always going to be the primary one-on-one fight starter and ender.
I’m a 5’5 dude. There’s no reason for me to start trading punches with a guy bigger. But if I can surprise him, rush him to his waist and send both of us down on the floor, I have a solid chance with bjj experience. That’s the difference.
JJ is the truest martial art if eye gouging, maiming, pressure points, biting, throat strikes, ear tearing, breaking fingers, and many other things are banned. Don't get me wrong I love JJ but when I roll I'm under no illusion the fight is as artificial as a Taekwondo match. Just like a Taekwondo match is ended by grappling likewise a BJJ match is ended by biting and many other things that suddenly make rolling suicide.
What keeps a Jiu-jitsu fighter from eye gouging, biting, throat striking, ear tearing, breaking fingers and many other things in a street fight scenario? That's what's training is about. When facing those conditions, what does an untrained fighter can do that a BJJ practitioner can't and vice versa? The balance weights towards the trained one.
@@NilloDynamite This issue is that those things comprise the counters to most BBJ moves. The Triangle and guillotine chokes don't work in real life, at least not for men. The other guy can just grab your balls. Breaking fingers is how you counter the rear naked.
@@alphanerd7221 I don’t really think thats true. If someone has you in an arm bar and you bite their calf, they aren’t going to let go, they are going to snap your arm in half. If someone has you in a rear naked choke, and you try to grab their eyes, or balls, then they’d snap your neck. Plus knowing how to get into a dominant position means you will be able to land your own strikes more effectively.
@@eveningstar7812 You are assuming an already locked armbar on someone who's lost the strength in their arm. You aren't going to be able to lock an armbar with a guy sinking his incisor into the back of your knee or squeezing your balls in a vice grip. I've seen BJJ rollers try their tricks in street fights and it never works. "Plus knowing how to get into a dominant position means you will be able to land your own strikes more effectively." Then learn a martial art that teaches that, like Greco Roman. BJJ teaches you to start on your knees or pull the other guy on top of you.
Wow, that's the first time anyone ever mentioned a martial arts school that i'd ever heard of. My teachers at the little south Philly karate school I worked at had a few guys from team maxercise teach us. They were trying to do some sort partnership because we were doing great with kids classes in bjj. I was in an accident and ended up quitting, now my old school is gone, though I had heard they moved closer to maxercise. I wonder how that went.
Pretty much every martial arts form has at least one viable technique if used at the right time. Even jiu jitsu has to be used with the right technique for each situation. Position before submission. Also a pure submission artist against a pure striker both would be at different advantage and disadvantage depending on the situation. I mean come on that is the whole reason why mma is what it is today. If you don't have training in all aspects of self defense ground and stand up in today's world you will get hurt. Period.
Interesting. I recall the first time I ever got onto the mat, the only things I had done before were fencing and gymnastics, so I had literally no preconception that I'd be able to do anything of note. And I wasn't wrong in that. You cannot humble that which has no pride. I occasionally wish I could go back in time and roll with myself after the first month. The shit I'd be able to pull off on me, like, damn.
Hi man, I'm about to start Jiu Jitsu and super pumped. I'm coming from a complete blank slate, zero skill, never been in a fight. Going to suck basically :) Just wanted to ask what the learning curve was like for you, and to what degree doing solo drills/solo practice can help get a complete beginner started. Best wishes mate
@@mikebasketball11 Learning curve...? Huh. Interesting question. Honestly speaking, getting to a point where you can perform most moves isn't particularly difficult, the real interesting bit is finding out how to properly utilize them in a roll with live resistance. Like, getting a cross collar is very simple in concept and in drilling, but in a roll it can be next to impossible depending on who you try it on. It's something where you should pick up the concepts pretty quickly, yet you'll have a long road to mastering them. Generally, I don't do solo drills outside of warming up. I don't find them as useful as live sparring. If you're just starting, best advice that I can think of is focus on defense first. Once you're capable of not getting submitted, focus on position. And once you've got good control over position, try submissions.
As a black belt in Aikido all I can say is Aikido will never be effective until it is trained against, and adapted to combating the top martial arts in the field right now. Instead of learning to defend against sword hand strikes and thrusting knife stabs we should probably be learning to defend against double leg take-downs and question mark kicks. Eventually you'd want to mix different types of sparring into it. The idea being you wouldn't be some zen master dodging every attack, you'd be blocking, defending, feigning attacks and keeping distance in order to look for an opportunity to apply a technique. The core principles of Aikido, as far as I can tell are; Centre power (Kamae), redirecting energy and not causing long lasting harm to an opponent. The details of the art would change around these core principles. The techniques in Aikido are mechanically sound. You can throw an opponent with a wrist or arm lock, the problem is applying the technique is almost impossible in modern combat, and the only way we know how to apply the technique is if an opponent lunged at us in a clumsy way. If Aikido did all of these things; Resistance training, attacks to simulate Muay Thai & BJJ, then it could eventually evolve into a useful martial art if enough dedicated warriors pursued that task. However I don't think this is going to happen any time soon. If the art isn't allowed to evolve and adapt, it will die.
You guys really underestimate boxing in matter of smaller guys defeating big guys on a street fight , personally i would never try to wrestle a much bigger guy on the ground cuz first he can escape my moves with his strength and can also smash my head with his fists , with boxing you have a much better chance of knocking him out
HAHA i have that same exact experience except when i was humbled i thought i was the best and then i got wrapped up like a churro by a legal little person... it was literally "ray mysterio's" doppleganger. 😂
Joe Rogan i definitely love your breakdowns i do martial arts and your videos have helped me to improve i now do mma training im a baby and do understand what you mean about speacalist like westren boxers vs generalists and just your content in general it makes me think and i love it
Muay Thai the best for striking BJJ the best for ground game. Now before anyone gets defensive and butt hurt, wrestling has no submissions. Only pinning
Muay Thai, Kickboxing, even Karate can be decent depending on the school. The fact is, all those arts have adapted. What you want to know is if your school competes in open tournaments, or just tournaments within their own art. That should be the tell.
I can definitely attest to most of what is said in this video. I was a typical highschool wrestler (folkstyle wrestling). I was stronger and faster than most of my opponents but didn't have the same foundation in wrestling tactics, so most of my wins were because I outmuscled them or caught them offguard because of my speed. But when I wrestled against someone who was stronger than me, I had to rely on my speed. And when I met someone who was faster than me, I had to rely on strength. The times I met someone both faster and stronger than me, I was completely screwed cause I didn't have the experience and guidance I needed to truly excel (head coach stepped down in my last year. Replacement was subpar). This is why I love training BJJ now. I can hold back on the strength and speed much more easily and focus on learning tactics and technique. Today, I'm a much better grappler than I ever was in high school.
I was a wrestler . I am naturally athletic and have a big frame and am strong ,205 with 7% body fat it is much higher now as I am up to 235 ish . I always relied on this . In BJJ I didnt often come up against guys my size unless we are travelling to compete. Then I learn the hard way how much I have been truly relying on my strength vs technique. It is funny because all of the smaller purple belts say they're owe their skill level to me because they wouldn't have gotten as good at their technique without my big heavy ass squashing them. I have a good wrestlers Base and a good top pressure game. Unfortunately for me being Thirty to fifty pounds heavier than most of the gym gave me the illusion of skill I did not have. As Ralph Wiggum says "I'm helping" . I lost a leg I few years ago I hope I can get back one day I miss the guys and the workouts.
@robbeam5599 my old gym has a decent number of guys our size who were whites and blues, so I was privileged enough to have open mats where I could go full throttle with someone knowing we're mutually going competition intensity. 😎👌🏾
@@LoneWulf1992 I am in a small town of 20 000 so it's not un common to have a class of 5 people. It's cool in a way. 205 is a weird class for ameture competition. a lot of times I would just go heavyweight. Because I didn't feel like cutting weight and also 205 guys are usually animals while a lot of heavy weights are just out of shape. Not always but often enough. Last time I competed at 205 in absolute submission I took silver but the guy who took gold really should have been kicked out because he injured three out of the five people he rolled with to get to me. I tapped to a very sloppy Kimura because he was very jerky and yanking with all his strength trying injure me. I might have rolled out it wasn't that tight but the guy had no controll and no respect. I have a job , a family and a shelf of trophies. One more wouldn't mean much. I'm getting too old for that shit. No one likes those kind of guys
@robbeam5599 I'm right there with you when it comes to tapping to aggressive gorillas. Had a white belt who did TKD and thought transitioning into BJJ would be nothing. He started getting subbed left and right, so he started going hard on his armbars. One of his was so sloppy, I just stood up to let him slide off. Dude was so ego hurt that he flung himself backwards to drag me down and go belly down. I tapped long before this but he did it anyways. No "revenge attacks" from me but he did end up going unconscious later on against a purple belt 😅
Wow, finally! Lex said something I have being saying since the inception of MMA. ‘This scientific process of MMA’ I have never encountered another human being who ever agreed with me on this, so I am so relieved to hear someone who is highly intelligent, well educated, a scientist, who is a legit martial artist say this. It is so correct. MMA is a series of scientific experiments that work towards a continual refinement and development of martial skill (granted it has limitations within the rule set and circumstances of being in a ring or octagon). I have always tried to make the point that MMA has allowed for an improvement in self defence methods being made available to people. So many people are opposed to MMA because they just see it as senseless violence. MMA in my opinion can claim a moral victory in its development of martial skill. It is immoral to to teach someone methods of self defence that will get them hurt, when there is no excuse for ignorance of what actually works ....because it has been tested under realistic situations ....MMA.
MMA has realistic conditions? There are no groin strikes, throat strikes, or eye gouges. That's like 50 percent of the open handed training in many martial arts. Plus, who realistically fights without even a makeshift weapon, if one is at hand? MMA is a sport.
" I am so relieved to hear someone who is highly intelligent, well educated, a scientist, who is a legit martial artist say this" ... are you trolling or what
BJJ isn't even a *complete* martial art. It's the smaller part of judo. Why bother studying the groundwork if you're not gonna study the throws and takedowns?
been saying this forever, bjj is a bs marketing scam thats been going on since the 90s and not really useable outside of bjj tournaments unless mixed with something else.
That's more or less what happened with Wilder. I think he was in his early 20's before he started boxing. He was a basket baller before that I think? An athlete, but not a boxer. Wilder has that fast twitch muscle fibre. The torque he can put on a shot is crazy
Re: Touch of death. There is something called the xyphoid process in the human body. It is a small extension of the sternum (chest bone) shaped something like a tiny dagger. Its purpose is to protect the organs directly underneath. It is kind of weird because it starts out as cartilage but solidifies into bone as we age becoming brittle in the process. A blow delivered at the right angle with the appropriate force can cause the xyphoid process to break loose in some individuals. On occasion one or more fragments can be driven into the underlying organ(s). At the time of the incident it will be experienced as pain. However, if the organ is lacerated it will bleed. Without treatment, the subject *may* bleed out. Since the damage is usually small, it may take as much as a couple of days for death to follow. Hence the touch of death. If the xyphoid is still cartilage because of the subject's realtive youth (maybe twenty years old), if the damage causes only severe bruising but not laceration, then no matter how skilled the attacker or powerfully executed perfect strike, it wil not cause death. However, the pain experienced from the bruising damage caused swelling and inflammation may well increase exponentionally over a period of time for a while, causing the victim to believe he narrowly escaped the touch of death. A smaller hand will focus the force more directly onto the xyphoid maximizing the probability of success. This leads to the perception that certain individuals delivered the touch of death even though they were of slight build going against a larger attacker. Thus the attribution of some magical power that the holder can summon up in some undefined circumstances. Why can't the atacker deliver it at will? Well, that is just how it is with magic, you just never know for sure how and when it will work.
“A small person who knows the technique can beat the big person who doesn’t know the technique”.....Joe, no. Just no. That’s why BJJ has weight classes. Get into a fight with someone that doesn’t agree to NOT STRIKE YOU. Your game is broken. It’s a sport and nothing else but maybe a good augment to know your way around a mat if you want to wrestle someone.
Don't be stupid. That's like me saying that boxing isn't useful in real combat because it doesn't have kicks, grappling, or groin strikes. And a smaller person can win against a bigger one. That's not even up for debate. Weight classes exist to ensure that size isn't much of a factor but it's just plain wrong to infer that size is the most important factor in a fight.
Joe, the draw back to BJJ is I have to roll on the ground in my suit to stop an attacker. Which style can I use to stop an attacker while I remain standing up?
Bare Knuckle boxing in it's earliest days used punching techniques to close to distance in order to wrestle an opponent to the ground and finish them with catch wrestling. Finding some balance of striking to lead to the takedown if you have BJJ would be ideal.
Wrist locks are used in Akido, BJJ, Hapkido, and various other martial arts. Certain martial arts rely on more on certain techniques, in other words they specialize in a specific way to act. BJJ goes to the ground, Tae Kwon Do remains standing relying on kicks and punched as an example. The martial art to counter Tae Kwon Do is BJJ, or Sambo, Judo, or another way to ground to the Tae Kwon Do practitioner, providing you don't get clocked in the process. Muay Thai is a striking art that involves leg kicks, clinches and trips, so versus Tae Kwon Do, Muay Thai will prevail, because TKD as a sport has no defence for those attacks. Unless you start talking about self-defence which is another realm, where all other kinds of techniques are incorporated. So as TKD practitioner we do train for attacks that involve take downs leg kick etc, but not in our sport. However, I believe to be well rounded Martial Artist you have to know standing and ground techniques. So I do BJJ as well, and I study grappling, boxing, Judo, Muay Thai and would love to have to time to become proficient at them as well. I would take Akido classes, Kung Fu, Sambo etc, but you have to focus on something for a long time to become proficient.
