Joe Rogan and Jocko Willink talk about the role of the military, the Vietnam War, and the harsh realities of war. Taken from Joe Rogan Experience #962.
I'd like to see Dakota Meyer on the podcast with Joe. Have you seen Jocko's podcast with Dakota Meyer? I've listened to/watched it numerous times and it's the most emotional must listen podcast that everyone should listen to at least once.
@@liamstanley6719 I think it's just the overall story of what Dakota Meyer went thru, and how emotional both he and Jocko were reliving everything. It's just such a incredible and inspiring true story.
@@Jin_Kai That's awesome. Both Dakota and Kyle are pretty damn inspiring dudes, I can't imagine what it must have been like to meet them. Each went thru their own hell and we owe them, and everyone who serves to protect this country a tremendous amount of gratitude. I heard Marcus Luttrell say "Let's make sure the hell our soldiers deal with every day isn't the same hell they come home to" and it's so true. Thank you for your service!!
The reality of war is that I was sent to a country that didn't attack us 2 different times. It was scary, intense, boring and can't be adequately explained to people who haven't experienced it. It fucked me up and yet I miss it. You had a purpose and life was simple. Keep each other alive. Rarely saw the enemy. Ied's did most of the killings. It came down to luck surviving the explosions. Where you were sitting. How powerful it was. It was out of your hands. War is fucking brutal and dehumanizing.
There are times I am proud of my service and experiences, and times since I've been out that I don't agree with. Foremost, left the war with my conscience. Doesn't make living with decisions any easier after the fact. December will make 14 years since I've been out. Definitely my wonder years. Good friends, my body wasn't broke, and I had a pretty cool job. Over the years and even getting out, I saw the BS when it was being woven. Looking back, the regrets I have being sent to fight based off lies and agendas. That was Iraq anyway.
angry_z_rider you can be an infantryman (btw if you’re not an infantryman you’re a pog) and be in an ao like he is describing. It pretty much just comes down to the ao and the mission.
Yes, an accurate account of war. US soldiers definitely don't exploit civilians through rape and humiliation... Willink would defo speak up if that was happening wouldn't he?
My good friend served in Afghanistan/Iraq . He feels disgusted when he sees people at home pushing for wars when they would never go themselves or send one of their own.
@Still Sidda just because his perspective is different from yours doesn’t make him disgusting...why push for a war that you’re not gonna volunteer your life to🤔
@Still Sidda He is not disgusting. He joined the military for a few different reasons one being education but he was prepared to serve for the right reasons. But his experience has taught him that war is not a joke. It has serious repercussions. Also he realized that the countries we are invading pose no threat and he was nothing more than a pawn.
awesome that he brought up tarawa, its exactly what i thought when they talked about showing coffins. it was shown to fdr and said him, we wont show this part and fdr very honorably said 'yes, you have to show it, the people have to see it"
@@hamzasiyam - Yes, the moniker criminal and civilian are not mutually exclusive. In fact, the distinction between defense personnel, and everyone else is one that applies to our own social infrastructure, for all intents and purposes, there were nothing but civilians in Iraq, completely innocent civilians, slightly innocent civilians, downright criminal civilians, evil civilians, insane civilians, all kinds of civilians.
@@Jack-yq6ui You are more correct more then anyone else understands. The only Uniforms after 5/1/03 was ours. It was a terrible place to be and I don't miss it at all!
What an excellent discussion, this was. You said it, Mr. Willink. I salute you, for your sacrifices and your Selfless Service, to our great Republic. As a combat veteran, I am in complete, and total agreement with you. Be well and be whole. Very Respectfully, Mr. Shepherd, U.S. Army (Active), (Ret.), OEF-OIF Combat Veteran, 2nd Plt., 'Assassin' CO, 3-15 INF, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 3rd Infantry Division
What a discussion. Awesome. If everyone operated at this level of contemplation it would unquestionably be a better world ,not perfect, never perfect, but better.
Iraq was a huge failure. The US didn’t understand Iraqi culture and its religious conflicts between different sects. Which led to the distrust and hatred from the population
The Revolutionary War of the 1700's was the first official war where Americans used guerrilla warfare. It was the primary war fighting strategy used to defeat the Redcoats.
That's usually how it worked. Have you ever seen Generation Kill, where they kill some insurgents, and find their passports which show they were college students who came from Syria AFTER the invasion to fight the occupiers. Anyway the war in Iraq was so fucking stupid. It also caused the Afghan war to go on way longer cause we had the Yaliban beaten, put the Northern Alliance in place and installed Karzi, but then before we could finish we attacked Iraq and then that one civilian overseer made the dumbest decision to fire the army and Iraqi security forces, not stop the looting snd destroy the social services infrastructure. That's when the insurgency really started.
For very long time there is no living American with memory of war on their doorsteps. That's why Americans are so willing to send their soldiers on other side of world.
WilliamE216 yeah but sometimes ur politicians send ur soldiers into places that don’t even need that much help and just ruin the country because the people of those countries start to see ur military as a hostile force
The robots from the rich countries will fight people from the poor countries, and potentially, protesters from their own countries. The idea that it will be sanitized robots fighting robots is highly idealistic. Having said that, this Jocko is pretty awesome. I agree with almost everything he says.
Ya just a good time full of racism and inequality in America and hundreds of thousands of young men dying at war because some ass hole was trying to engulf it in further tyranny...it was a grand time.
All the people that I've met in my life that have been through war say the same thing as Jocko. We need to think long and hard before going.....but once we do it has to be all in, and we should be prepared for the ugliness. One of the worst moves the U.S. ever made was withdrawing from Beirut in '83 after the barracks got bombed and those 200 Marines were killed. It emboldened the terrorists into thinking the U.S. will cut and run if you deal them a large enough blow. If you chose to use the military for the right reasons then it makes it easier to stay....cause your there for a good reason.
People give the French a lot grief about surrendering in 1940. However, in 1983 The French Foreign Legion Barracks was hit at the the same time as the USMC Barracks. The French did strike back. They launched an air strike and destroyed the facility that trained the terrorists attackers. US Navy SEALs did the Bomb Damage Assessment for the French.
Between Active duty and Active Reserves, I put in 31 years and at 73 years old I would go in a heartbeat, Never wanted to be anything other than a platoon SSG.
politicans have a connection with a company that either gave him or her campaign contributions or other connections in the political game. At the sametime, protayed to the american people, whether fake or not 9/11 seemed like a osama led attack, otherwise romantized films like american sniper wouldnt exist, some people truly cared. People cared, their hatred was directed to the middle east and people fought bravely, eitherway, youd the same if america had the motive like you said
Youll just never know the true motive, there was hitler, but we took all his greatest scientists that werent too mainstream in the germany socialist culture. Spoils of war? Or a cease of oppurtunity in intelligence and technology. I think jockos point is overall, war is a tragic thing for any reason and when a country puts it agenda clear for war it should just go into total war mode, def con 5. Declaring war is saying im going to kill you, so is my people, for what we believe in and what we think our country and other countries should consider or take in as.
You have a terrible understanding of why me and my bothers and sisters go to war. Its not about oil money. Smh. I'll put it like this, if your neighbor down the street had the ability to kill you and your loved ones while at the same time he's making honest threats to harm you than what would have to happen for you to take action? Would you wait until he attacked you or your family? If so than its to late. Kill or be killed. These countries we are at war with have the abilities to do great bodily harm to us and have made plenty threats.
@Timothy, If that's your mindset, there are many things in life, you don't understand. There is literally no country in the world that can endanger or harm the United States and tbh there is no country in the world that really wants to do this. Especially not the countries you went to was with. Iraq had never the military and economic power to endanger the USA neither had Afghanistan. Sure, there was 9/11 but that was made by a terrorist group and not by a government. Considering that the Taliban were willing to give bin laden up under certain conditions, the afghanistan war was just needless.
Robots fighting Robots... or Robots fighting people who don't have good Robots. This is real - Terminator isn't just a film, Terminator is going to be reality. Love these kind of pod casts JR. You need more of these, thank you.
If the government believe there is a need to go to war then fair enough. But you have to be transparent with people, otherwise you end up with situations like Vietnam.
War must be fought by and witnessed by a whole country together,… during WW2 every citizen thought it was their responsibility to win the war at all costs
And in WW2 we were fighting an existential threat to western civilization in the form of a genocidal fascist regime with ambitions of global domination that they could actually follow through on if left unchecked In the modern day we’re running around in the desert shooting at brown people, and they shoot back with guns that we sold them 30 years ago They’re not comparable at all
Hi Joe - it would be great if you could interview Brad Colbert or Nathaniel Flick, the army rangers from generation kill, I always felt that there was a lot left untold about thier time in Afganistan and Iraq.
when i think in robot soldiers i remember the robots from the blade runner OVA, when the robots realize that they are fighting a war that they didnt want to
You know what I noticed? Basic training, infantry training, advanced infantry training, etc. It was the same 5-10 mkves , over and over and over again. Then I go to war. Some of it applied, a LOT of it didn't . Get back to the states, same training as before without any consideration of what war actually looked like
'*"Kind-hearted people might of course think there was some ingenious way to disarm or defeat the enemy without too much bloodshed, and might imagine this is the true goal of the art of war. Pleasant as it sounds, it is a fallacy that must be exposed: War is a dangerous business where mistakes that come from kindness are the very worst."* ~ Carl von Clausewitz
When your federal head declares war on a nation they have spoken for your entire nation. Therefore every man woman and child has declared war on the opposing nation even if they had no say. When the Colonies declared war in the American revolution they were speaking on behalf of all Americans even if they didn’t want it.
One of the reasons for the loss in Vietnam was because the Military kept rotating the officers every 6 months or so to make them more competitive for promotion.
chris coleman what does youre statement have anything to do with what i said? If you think "the bankers" sit around at a table all day an just think of wars to start then you obviously never took a civics class in your life because they have no authority whatsoever to say who goes to war
Young men are attracted to war. There’s a struggle for males to identify as the protector and provider. And war is the manliest thing you can do. Even I know this and would still sign up the day England goes to war.
But Vietnam was not about freedom. The South Vietnam people did not support their gov. The french were there for the rubber. And we went there to support the steeling of the rubber. So often war is about taking what we want.
To me there should be civilian oversight, when U.S. troops rape and murder civilians in cold blood. There is a big difference between accidentally shooting a civilian during crossfire or a stray bomb than indiscriminately killing and raping. Which was just the kind of things happening in Vietnam. I think a lot of people understand shit happens and the wrong people die in war. But there should be no excuse for U.S. troops committing war crimes.
How do you feel about the Bosnian Genocide, or North Korea invading South Korea to forcibly unify them in 1950, or Somalia in 1993, or ISIS, or Saddam invading Kuwait, or Saddam gassing Kurdish people, or what about the 1/3rd of Cambodians killed by their communist dictator?
Forget the other civilians in the countries US forces went to. I think the best reason for the transparency should be to make people think should they even be there in the 1st place ✌🏻
I was about to enlist yesterday but somewhere down the line I let the money decide my decision for me and I lost touch with the reality that I would be working for career politicians who are the cause of most of the problems we have in America today.
damn man, military is scary. Only looking in his eyes scares the shit out of me. This is the type of guy that my friend once painted the pic of another military man as "If he received a command He would literally tear you apart in half in few seconds"
