Yes, but we all need a foundation of education based on empirical fact and we need to agree on basic observable reality. Children can't think for themselves until they learn foundational and empirical knowledge. That is how many of us have gone on to projects where we are demanded, where I went to school, to think for ourselves by junior high, on through college and then careers where our knowledge is proven every day with useful projects aimed at bettering life for all people and surprisingly nothing was a lie, no secret sessions to teach what was lies, you know, so we don't, build bridges that immediately collapse and things like that. Funny thing is growing number who claim they think for themselves and question everything, except that does not include their own intrinsic beliefs which they do not test nor question ever. They are basically conspiracy enthusiasts who always prefer to believe the most far fetched ideas that don't even actually fit theory and totally out of hand reject empirical based science by which so many of us perform in our careers. It is basically ages old mythology from the days of giant sea monsters and a flat earth. But here is empirical science proving what was already known and really boggling the mind of a flat earth believer. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6pf44njV8g0.html I believe your statement needed qualified to state the importance of that foundation we are taught, of empirical provable and observable knowledge. From there any intelligent person thinks for her/himself.
@@jimgodofbiscuits You started strong and reasonable in that statement and then drifted into some wild eyed ranting toward the end that rather justified my generally skeptical nature. I agree wholeheartedly with the fact that we need a shared basis of observable data to work from. I am skeptical of proposals that would assert that humanity can construct a command economy that somehow produces a better climate and excellent outcomes for those same humans, as the available data does not support utopian imaginings.
It's VERY difficult to win an argument/debate against a genius. It's impossible to win an argument/debate against a moron. Edit: -Bill Murray Evidently me not saying Bill said it means I'm just trying to take credit for it. Clearly that is the only conclusion that can be made as to why I didn't put "-Bill Murray" at the end. Of course, obviously, duh, it's the only logical conclusion. Why question your herculean leap in logic & wisdom we mortals cannot hope to comprehend? Couldn't be that I just heard it once and thought it was applicable here at the time I commented it a fuckin' YEAR AGO. Although, looking at this thread that's been emerging in my inbox, I can see why people are wanting to take the malicious route. God Dayum.
and they think they proved there point to them the earth is flat i think these people lives are so boring they just want to argue about something so they pick this topic i could spot a fake photograph of earth anywhere those nasa photos of earth are beautiful SEARCH ON RU-vid EARTH FROM SPACE THAT'S NOT A FAKE PHOTO AND THEY DID NOT HAVE CGI IN THE 70S SO FAKING IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE ...................................... WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND CAN LOOK AT THAT AND SAY NAW!! THATS FAKE !!! YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID my father would deny things he would refuse to deal with why i don't know because when he was angry he would block everyone and everything out and sit in his chair and sulk with his news paper in his lap refusing to talk to anyone my definition of a fool very sad and pathetic
lol yet, this video is ......on youtube. He is unchecked and claims to know everything about it. yet he wasnt corrected. yea, i had that very same ad plays part too. lol.
One of the things I like most about Joe is that he isn’t concerned about being the smartest person in the room. He is concerned about being smarter than he was yesterday.
Luke R - *More knowledgeable than we was yesterday (you can’t make yourself smarter), but yes, it’s clear that’s his daily mission, lol. Hat tip to him!
The fact that youtube needs to put a wikipedia article margin on this video with the article 'flat earth conspiracy theory' means that someone out there thinks we need to be cattle managed and kept away from reading about this subject.
How much indiscia have you acquired about me precisely? Do you know who I am? Where I am? My status? Are you willing to testify to any of these things?
@@davidevenson6614 K2 is the second highest mountain on Earth. K1 is the 22nd highest mountain on Earth. They are both relatively close and located in Pakistan. Everest is the tallest mountain and located in Nepal.
@Donnie When you cant even display the intellect of knowing the difference between 'your' and 'you're' then your philosophical talks just seems like bl;blabbering to most people who understand thing unlike you.
@@broussardtyson - Our senses are far from perfect, which is why optical illusions exist, where you cannot stop seeing the illusion even when you know what your eyes are telling you is wrong. Anyway, in my next two replies, please tell me what your "senses" tell you and explain why....
Do People Really Think Earth Might Be Flat? A poll says lots of Millennials evidently do-and it’s not entirely clear why By Craig A. Foster, Glenn Branch on August 21, 2018
@Dreymon Green That's the black swan fallacy my friend. Just because you never met a black swan (a milennial flat earther) does not mean that there are non. 34% would be freakin scarry, I give you that, but your argument is a bit flawed ^^
@@joshuablouin2900 mate you're the one who believes water curves without any evidence that water can curve as water always finds equilibrium resulting in a horizontal plane. Bath tub always levels, swimming pool always levels, lakes and canals always levels, the sea and oceans always level. You can see for over 100 miles of bodies of water and not see any evidence water curves. You much prefer to believe NASA and the scientific priests such as Neil Degrasse Tyson and Bill NYE. Globe earth is a cult and every proof of the globe has been completely debunked by real science that's repeated and can be observed. The only reason people believe the earth is a globe is because that's what they were told by some authoritative figure, there's cgi pictures of a round earth on the TV and Movies daily, and because a some old scientist professor told them. LOOK INTO BRO BECAUSE THE FACT THE SO CALLED EXPERTS REFUSE TO DEBATE AND RIDICULE FLAT EARTHERS SHOWS THE GLOBE EARTH MODEL ARGUMENT IS VERY WEAK. if the earth was a globe why can't you prove it and be willing to debate it publicly??? You afraid of losing.
@@MaleLateBloomer GPS works with satellites and they need to compensate the curvature of the Earth when doing the triangulation. Go debate them if you want challenge.
The highest point on Earth is Mount Everest, also known as Sagarmatha in Nepal and Chomolungma in Tibet. Mount Everest has an elevation of 8,848.86 meters (29,031.7 feet) above sea level and is located in the Himalayas on the border between Nepal and China (Tibet).
0:28 No..I'm a slightly younger than middle millennial and my main memories are of playing outside everyday its not raining, not a screen..besides the TV
Look into Flat Earth: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-x0EGB_o9TZM.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-0NM5q22j5VI.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nyDey7QSgg4.html The Flat Earth Society is Controlled Opposition: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tQ1l99KO6-0.html "behind the curve" is a Mockumentary making fun of flat earth, featuring fake flat earthers giving false flat earth arguments, so that people marginalize, ridicule, and write off flat earth as a "crazy conspiracy theory" while beLIEving in scientific theories and experiments that you can't test, repeat on your own, or prove in anyway: ifers.123.st/t298-behind-the-curve-controlled-opposition-documentary
Amazing how Neil can make the "I don't want a tattoo because I would likely regret it" statement into a philosophical statement that sounds more complex than it is.
I've had my first tattoo when I was 15. Now I'm 31 and I wished I've never had tattoo done. Not that they are ugly or anything. It's just that now, I realise that my tastes and needs change as I grow older. So having something permanent on your skin isn't a smart move.
was it just me or was Eric Dubay not even mentioned once in this video, dont get me wrong, ill watch any video with Neil DeGrasse Tyson in it, but i cant help to notice that the title of this video is click bait.
Well, yes, because it's so easy to prove that it's round. Hence, it's not a belief. It has been a well established fact for millenia. All you need to do is look at mundane everyday observations, and you can have knowledge instead of belief.
@John Smith and that is exactly why there's the second part of the quote which I like even more than the first part. That it is intellectually lazy to deny everything as well.
@Ching Chong unless the sun is close and local, not 93 million miles away. Tyson even admits this for the Eratosthenes experiment of the two sticks 100 miles away. It was clever and showed the truth, but the outcome was misread.
@Ching Chong unless you don't apply current "science" to that sun. If the sun is close and local, it would mean that it is not as hot or bright as it would be, if said sun was at 93 million miles away.
@Ching Chong you're not fully grasping the situation. You're still applying current sun guesses with a sun that is clearly not any of what you're saying it is. If the sun is local and close.....now follow me on this....none of the rest of the "facts" are true, either.
Look it at that way, we got people to make exams to determine how fit they are in certain parts of knowledge and how they can contribute to mankind. And on the other hand we have people who claim to believe in a flat earth. So, you instantly know to not waste any resources on them. You don't have to ask anyone if there are an idiot. An FE will just tell you.
*+Htsw* Nah friend, there are many sad moments that exceed those bunch of goons. Most of them political/religious. I won't list them all. I think the phrase you perhaps should have used is, _the re-surface of flat Earth thinking is the most pathetic moment in human history_
@@annakeye. I do agree with Htsw and am really glad to see not 'all' young people are falling for this bullshit. I DO think you have a great point there though.
I like what Joe says about how an idea connects to your identity. I think this is why most people who were raised Christian have such a hard time deconstructing.
The vast majority of my knowledge was acquired after my school years. This is why i believe Neil's message is so incredibly invaluable, we need to be teaching kids how to inquire, rather than teaching them to memorize information. Most of what kids learn in school pre-college, is forgotten, and most of what college graduates learn is outdated within a decade. The most important thing we can teach people, is the desire to learn, and the method in which incorporating information is most efficient.
+Agronox DT As I understand it, the *purpose* of schools in our neck of the woods is to give students some basic skills and understandings in the basics, but more importantly to teach kids how to enquire, how to think critically, and understand logic and experiment. In many cases this extends straight into University, because what you learn in University is, in most careers, not immediately useful but gets the students to truly understand the basics of what's going on underneath, and pick up the job-specific particulars when necessary.
Agronox DT schools make you memorize what has already been found so that they can inquire more later. would be a complete loss of time if the basics had to be inquired again and again!
@@drmachinewerke1 You might want to ask General Joseph Warren and Major Andrew McClary. They didn't die, right? [The Battle of Bunker Hill was really fought on Breed's Hill right beside it. The Americans retreated across Bunker Hill into Cambridge when the British won through on the third attempt.]
K1 is the 22nd highest mountain and it’s in Pakistan, not Nepal. K2 is the 2nd highest mountain after Mount Everest. I wish Jamie would’ve corrected him so he knows what it feels like to be wrong.
Just so u know. He definitely knows what it feels to be wrong lol. I think he would be thrilled to find out he has been wrong about things and would gladly learn new things. The big thing about science is to learn and find new things and it's impossible to not be wrong about things coz we are constantly learning new things. Also he is science guy it's not like he has to know everything about cooking, sports, history or geography or even about science. It also sounded like u have something against Neil by saying "so he knows what it feels like to be wrong".
@@frozencrow8735 Yeah, you’re probably right. I don’t have any problem with NDT but some of his interviews are hard to watch because he’s constantly interrupting everyone around him. He just seems like the type of guy that loves to hear his own voice.
@Timothy J I haven't really watched interviews with him being with other ppl. But I would think it could be bad habit of him or he could just be egoistic. But either way I think he just likes to speak publicly and "correct" some ppl's knowledge about things.
ha! but no matter how curved or uncurved a lense is, they can't hide a complete sphere shown in it's entirety ergo even those dimwits would be forced to concede it's round
The most interesting part of this conversation is Neil pointing out that independent thinking and skepticism are no longer being taught in school. Society is, intentionally, being led towards complete docility, dependency, censorship and control.
It's been like that for a good while. The system is setup to enslave and conform your mind into a certain set of belief systems/paterns that enslaves your mind to the control of higher powers. Which allows them to manipulate your thoughts paterns and decisions. A great way to influence your cognitive mind, is through music, movies, and other things which is being projected unto us, they put humans infront of their agenda because you can relate to the humans Hence adapting their agenda. They are using puppets as a medium to influence us. Only God will set your soul free.
They used to tell me in school all the time in elementary to be a critical thinker and I have remembered that so much that that’s why I think is things so critically to this day but I swear they don’t do it anymore.
Everest is the highest mountain but not the highest point relative to earth's center, because of its oblate shape. The highest point is somewhere in Ecuador
Everest isn't the highest peak or mountain and Everest is in the HIMALAYAS; poster "We've Been Attacked" is right, the farthest point from Earth's center is at the equator line, Mount Chimborazo in Ecuador due to the elongation produced by centrifugal force rotation of Earth, volcano Mauna Kea in Hawaii is the highest peak in the world.
@@wevebeenattacked1757 "From the earth's center", is not how altitude is measured. Mountains are measured by prominence and from sea level. Everest is the highest in altitude. People do not climb mountains from the center of the earth nor the bottom of the ocean floor. Furthermore, moutains do not begin at the center of the earth.
That had me confused. I assumed he was getting tricky and calling out the mountain farthest from the center of the earth, but that is Chimborazo. K1 and K2 don't enter the conversation. Where did he get that?
@@GarthShoemaker K2 was claimed the highest top in 1987. Later that measurement was proven wrong. And it only differs a couple of 100 meters with Mount Everest. So now and then that claim resurfaces. K1 was a global kickbox tournament format originating from Japan. That's why Joe Rogen was confused.
@@heartshope6504 Critical thinking is what leads to solutions. This isn't an advertising campaign, you can't just make a blanket statement. Saying making it "great" means absolutely nothing because it doesn't quantify what it is to be "great" or how to properly go about making it "great". This is a complex web of social, economic and political problems that need real applicable solutions by thorough examination. You can't mindlessly make up policies without logistical foresight in what will be affected nationwide. I thank you for reinforcing my statement though about how mindless Americans both on the left and right have become, I say good day sir.
Zetetic Astronomy, Earth Is Not A Globe!: An Experimental Inquiry Into The True Figure Of The Earth: Proving It A Plane, Without Axial Or Orbital Motion; And The Only Material World In The Universe!
Im a big fan of Eddie way of thinking, believe nothing our modern day clerics ie "expert/scientists" preach, and expect you to listen and don't deny their greatness.
yes don't believe any "experts and scientists" but believe a man who dresses as a woman claiming he figured out the truth buy holding up measuring sticks towards the horizon.
Do you have questions, or do you have flerf talking points with question marks at the end? Are you actually interested in hearing the answers to your questions or do you just want an excuse to spew out flerf talking points?
rogan sold out to the lies and lies equals satan, which is what nasa is, Take the T out of the word Satan and you have?? NASA thats why they say T Minus so many seconds and counting they are actually telling us but most people cant see it! the big red fork on there logo is the tongue of a Snake yes Snake so you have the Tongue of the snake and T minus ie satan in control and satan is the opposite of God ie lies and deception and all that goes with that!
He's a absolute idiot in my opinion. Why wouldn't he debate all flat earthers to put the argument to rest...on live tv, slay these goons... Think about it. Shut them up. ... .it's because the yr 2023 tech has outgrown the lies my friend. We can absolutely prove that we, do not, live on a spinning ball.
These incessant Ad breaks are going to kill You Tube...It's way more intrusive than the TV break which occur at lull periods not in the middle of someone's sentence.
2018: "It's not about whether they've had education, it's about whether the education they had teaches them skepticism of information" 2021: Still true ?
You have to understand this then it will all start to make sense, The earth is Satans domain, Male and Female are Satans Creation it tells us this in the bible! Once you get and understand this, you will understand why the world is a LIE! Satan is the master of all deception, so nothing makes sense in this world WHY??? because it makes sense to Satans Plans but it makes no sense to us the people because Satan is our enemy! So think about it that makes sense right! You have to turn the world upside down to know the truth want an example??? Ok here goes the Virgin many Christians worship the Virgin Right!!! YIP they do but what is the Virgin Really??? Well its a DEAD SHEEP! How do i know that?? well its easy once you understand Satans Lauguage, you look at a pic of the Virgin turn it upside down and you will see the DEAD SHEEP, so the truth hidden in Plain site but you cant see it! Its hidden from you! it tellls us in the bible that it is the glory of Satan to hide and or cover a thing to hide its true meaning or purpose! So worshipping the Virgin is not what you think, Satan sees us the people as Dead Sheep and he is correct on that! because now you are in his territory and because you cant think for yourself he wants your soul and will get it if you dont WAKE UP to these FACTS! ANother example. the vatican the main alter is a dead sheep, starring right at you but you cant see it even if i would show you, you would be able to show me! Got to hand it to the artist its good! but once you see it you cant unsee it! The Main Alter describes Genesis 1 in detail, There you see its satan who created male and female not God, so really we are all children of Satan on this earth but before that we were all children of God until we got caught in satan's trap! see www.kleckfiles.com for facts evidence proof of this. If you get this you have a chance to SAVE Yourself if you dont you are done for! This world is coming to an end! and if you die before you reconcile your relationship to God you are done for! WAKE UP!!! not much time left!
Etymology of the word government. In Greek, govern means to control. The word meante in Latin means mind. Control mind/mind control. Society has nothing to do with ruling us. And the representative faces you see on the television, involved in cabinets, offices, campaigns, elections, etc, are celebrities.
@@cholobok Damn, you didn't have to go that hard on him. Not to mention this guy just said the suffix -ment is mind without knowing the intricacies of Latin suffixes and how things change over time. Knowing the differences in your suffixes is fundeMENTal(um) to understanding etymology. Perhaps when you make an investment, you are investing in the mind. When you are getting into an engagement with someone, you are only engaging your mind. Of course only the mind can be developed when you make a development.
K1 is actually Masherbrum, not Mount Everest and is lower than K2. It's just the first on the list of Karakrorum (that's what K stands for btw) mountain tops made during the great trigonmetrical survey of India.
@Divex For a brief time K2 was considered the highest peak. Then they remeasured Everest discovering that it indeed is the highest peak. May deGrasse remembered something about this.
There are K1-6 K obviously standing for Karakoram the mountain range in which they reside, K1 was renamed to Masherbrum, K3 to Broad Peak, K4 to Gasherbrum II, K5 to Gasherbrum I, K6 to Baltistan Peak, some people call K2 mount Godwin Austen but I’ve never actually heard anyone call it that.
@@masterandkerranginparticul4324 i'm a physical geographer and i can assure you it is an oblate spheriod! Just cause he forgot about Everest or got confused as to where K1 was doesnt mean he isnt a genius.
As a 28 year old, I assumed the younger generation was less intelligent and more uninformed. Until I spent a season coaching high schoolers and determined that the majority of kids these days are very intelligent, informed and often surpass my age and older in capabilities of free thought
Neil de gasbag lyingson says shit that people eat up and NEVER notice the taste or smell of the BULLSHIT fantasy pseudoscience hypothetical make-believe fantasy passed off as reality !!!
I'm 36. I still consider myself a millennial I grew up playing with sticks for toy guns but soon after the I got video games and internet gleamed around and I got cell phones.
3:45 1. K1 is not "the highest point on Earth's surface".The highest peak on Earth's surface is Mount Everest. 2. Letter "K" is for "Karakoram", so K1 cannot "be on Himalaya". 3. The highest peak of Karakoram is "K2",which is also a second highest peak on Earth,after Mount Everest. 4. K1 is the 22nd highest peak on Earth. 5. K1 is not "in Nepal",it's located in Ghanche District, Gilgit Baltistan of Pakistan. 6. The name "K1" stands for the fact that it was the first mapped peak on Karakoram,and not for "the highest peak on Earth".
Neil had a senior moment. Pay attention to what he said. His location for the highest peak is correct. He brain farted on the name, and he indicated that he was not sure. Jim! I am a physicist, not a mountain climber ;-)
ok,I'm sure he knew these facts in his prime..but he also said the elevation of the highest peak is 28000 feet,obviously referring to Mount Everest,yet Everest elevation is 29.029 feet
Eden I dont know why,but I'ma reply and explain myself to obvious ignorant idiot and "looser",which you are,indeed.I didn't "want to be inteligent" I found these FACTS on wikipedia,and I was simply pointing to Neils ignorance on this subject.Oh,yeah,and I've heard recently that the flat Earth society has members and supporters all around the globe.. Read more-show less you moron.
Here is a simple experiment. The next time you dgo to the beach and look out on the horizon, put a ruler up against the horizon line. You will find that the horizon has a slight curve.
Precisely. It was easy for the Fallen Angels to convince the world they live on a sphere in space. It's a lot harder to convince everyone that they have been fooled and indoctrinated in lies their entire life. Everyone lives in the matrix.
@@blackmetal4546 yeah... I mean.... obviously you are right... angels fooled everyone into thinking they live on a globe.... I mean angels and physics and all.... now it's sooo hard to convince them that they are really living on a flat plane with a big platter holing everything in..... my goodness you explain it sooooo well.
@@blackmetal4546 Are you saying that a government that can't even hide a jizz stained blue dress...is one of the same Governments that is capable of hiding the shape of the earth? A wee bit hypocritical to call others "indoctrinated", when your entire belief system is based solely on the words of man...claiming that they are the words of "God". Would you really know of "God", if you hadn't been taught?
Fermiticus 1260miles of pure flatness can be seen from 60 miles altitude,let me know if you want the video. 25k mile circumference ball hiding under the carpet?
Of all the advice I had gotten in my life was, this is one that has stuck with me. "Believe what you want and think what you want, but always keep an open mind." I did not understand this until I was in my late 20s.
I did some calculations about the earth being small and we wouldn't notice or feel anything on its surface with our palm. A standard tabletop globe is 12 inches in diameter. Earth's diameter is 7917. 5 miles. The lowest and highest points on earth is 11 miles distance. So if the earth were a 12 inches diameter tabletop globe in size, the distance of its highest and lowest points on the surface we will have is 0.016 millimeter.
@chris easly yes he tells you to ask questions. he doesnt mean question his math on something he's certain of and anyone with common sense will agree with him. what i'm trying to say is, you're comment is pointless because he literally did the math and explained it IN the video. all of what you said in your comment, he said in the video, so you didnt need to comment that, cause we already know that, you're just repeating what he said.
I'm gen Z (born in 1997) and we got our first family computer when I was 10 and I got my first smart phone at age 15-16. I don't know if I was just alot happier because I was younger or because smart phones weren't common before I was about 15-16yo, atleast here in Finland.
It is a well-known fact that clouds are continually seen moving in all manner of directions - yes, and frequently, in different directions at the same time - from west to east being as frequent a direction as any other. now, if the Earth were a globe, revolving through space from west to east at the rate of nineteen miles in a second, the clouds appearing to us to move towards the east would have to move quicker than nineteen miles in a second to be thus seen ; whilst those which appear to be moving in the opposite direction would have no necessity to be moving at all, since the motion of the Earth would be more than sufficient to cause the appearance. But it only takes a little common sense to show us that it is the clouds that move just a they appear to do, and that, therefore, the Earth is motionless. We have, then, a proof that the Earth is not a globe.
The summit of Mt. Everest is the highest point on Earth. The "K" in K2 comes from the fact that it was the second mountain surveyed in the Karakoram range in Pakistan
Yes. And K1 is another mountain in the Karakoram. ''Today, K1 is known as Masherbrum, K3 as Gasherbrum IV, K4 as Gasherbrum II and K5 as Gasherbrum I. Only K2, the second highest mountain in the world, has retained [its original] name''.
Mt Chimborazo in Ecuador is the highest, because of the bulge of the Earth at the equator. Everest is highest measured from sea level, Mt Chimborazo is highest measured from the centre of the planet.
Proves he's an idiot, he supposedly an astrophysicist and can't even recall the tallest mountain on Earth. How is he supposed to debate smarter people than him? 😂 FECORE.org
"I have good confidence in the 30 & under generation" I'd love to get his level of confidence in the under 30's after all the craziness in the last couple of years with the alphabet people
Um I think there is another mountain called k1 and I believe I heard a while ago the everest maybe highest in altitude but because of the shape of our planet and some buldge it has its another mountain that is farther from the center of our planet weather that is center of mass or actual center I don't actually know but he probably is referring to that, if anyone knows more would like to learn myself
