Call it whatever you like on internet, the ground reality will not change. Either whites have to agree to reparations, or leave, or get killed. All the lands these farmers have, they have coz no other race was allowed to buy. It's basically stolen land. I know a white friend, seriously rich fellow. He traveled around the world as a refugee claiming targeted racial injustice on him. Bugger still laughs about that. Every white person who can show ancestry can get the citizen of that European country. Its that easy for white people. Why dafuq are they still in SA?
@Rami Sebit you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. You just repeat commie bs propaganda. Zim was destroyed years before sanctions was on the table. Please get your facts in order before you come and spew your racist bs.
I am South African and I remember when Mandela himself when he was president made a special effort to protect farmers and recognized farm attacks as a severe problem in South Africa, under mandela farm attacks went down by 40 percent because of his initiatives. Was Nelson Mandela a conspiracy theorist?
I am a black South African. I think farm murders may be an issue. But I think it's disingenuous to ignore that farm murders aren't relative. Black South African farmworkers get mistreated, there is a higher ratio of black farmworkers getting murdered. But yes farmers need to be protected overall and we need to really address this issue but I think there is alot of white Afrikaners who still possess this superiority complex over non-whites and treat them as lesser than and that's one of the reasons for escalation of these situations but we also can't absolve these people of murders because it shouldn't come too murder and it's deplorable, we need to deal with it. One last thing, I don't think there is a white genocide, it's far from that.
@@jasoncreamer5747 33% isn't an actual fact. Verify that for me and come back. I offer no excuse for any farm murders, I am merely speaking how the average white Afrikaners behaves. Alot are still incredibly arrogant and bare superiority complexes. Farm murders are both sided. It is a South African problem, and they do need to be protected, I did not disagree with you at any point. But you glazed over that. I don't think it's too far gone. I still think white farmers and black South Africans can collaborate and find compromise. I am more optimismistic than you seem. Yes, there is a very high crime rate and there a high number of murders, rapes etc. White farm murders are a part of that. I just laugh when the white genocide narrative is spewed. I think the way you put it, that everyone is getting mistreated is the best. I think we're all falling prey to the elite and the government.
@@Antipodean33 this is a sad reflection of delusion. I'll pray for you. Sad really. None of these are facts and I doubt you even account for context in anything you spew.
@@MrJbswann My Bru. I love this country and it's people. We have a big problem with the ANC being corrupt and them keeping the 'majority' uneducated and dividing our nation with race. It leads to the crime and no accountability.
@@anthonyc362 I work offshore so I have the means and have traveled the world more than most. I choose to stay because the good still outweighs the bad here. Family and friends are important to me. I have lifelong friends here that mean the world to me. I am digging my heels in and making it work but if I need to pull the pin, I can.
I live in Cape Town South Africa and you are talking nonsense. There is no kind of media blackout around farm murders. How about stop lying to an international audience that doesnt know better?
Furthermore I lost my uncle in a farm murder and I assure you that poverty and not racism was the motivation of his killers. They even apologized and spoke respectfully to him before they left because they could tell he was a good man. He was still alive at that stage and only died a month later.
Now black people from there continent want those who are not from there Homeland an enslaved them an there ancestors was t an taking there land back it's a problem. Bullshit shit kick them out just that's all it is too it when the shoe on the other foot now people want to talk about it
I'm from south africa, its bullsh*t farmers are statistically murdered the same amount as any other group of people, this is just the AWB trying to find more reasons to be racist against the blacks in SA.
I'm a long haul truck driver, I appreciate how this show keeps me in the loop of what's going on. And the interesting conversations as well as the guest. Thanks.
What about this: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vDqcUbQ3YvI.html ? Xenophobic attacks against blacks from other African countries. Same violence.
The farm murders are still continuing in South Africa. My cousin and his wife and daughter were tied up and their vehicle and R60 000 taken. They made it out alive, but with a lot of post traumatic stress issues. An uncle of mine was attacked by 6 men at 3:00 am in the morning. They tied him and his 87 yr old father up and took their vehicle, guns and electronics. They were left alive, but when the police arrived the 87 yr old father had a stroke and didn't survive.
I saw one farmer stripped his house bare, burnt the roof off and left a message on the door "You bastards, you will stay poor forever". That's exactly what I would do.
Thank you for talking about this, not only are farmers being murdered (the majority of farmers are Boer/Afrikaner) If you are an Afrikaner and try to register on a government youth initiative (that states is for all people of South Africa) one will get redirected and it clearly told this this initiative is for non whites only.
Its not right. But can u blame them? It's a natural human behavior to respond to decades of colonization with reverse racist garbage. I hate it but WE SHOULD ALL UNDERSTAND IT and not act oblivious to what Euros did throughout Africa and the entire world since the 16th century up until recently
Christopher At the end of the day, this is called you reap what you sow. And it’s not even as bad as what ALL of Africa was subjected to by white colonizers
@@HouseofEvangelism nobody is acting oblivious lol we're just saying "stop". "Stop", it's literally that easy. Imagine if people thought I had the right to kill you because your grandfather killed my grandfather.
Plower Voyage like roads, education systems, infrastructure in general. Did you know at one point South Africa’s economy was so strong you had to pay $2 for R1 and now have a look. R18 to the $
Hi Joe - I'm a big fan - firstly. Secondly, I am a white South African - and can honestly tell you that this shit is real. I can provide you with all the information and statistics you need if you were interested in getting to know how we are being targeted
The farmers should take Australia up on their offer and pull up roots and leave their farms. Those farms will be pillaged, the land will be ruined and starvation will soon follow.
Firstly as a South African - I moved abroad because of fears for my safety, recently a woman my age was gang raped & murdered with her body dumped on the side of the road. This has become common place in SA yet the world doesn’t pay attention as “oh it’s just Africa” because you generalise a whole continent as a singular country 🙄Americans! Listen up! I’m saying this “from white privilege” (to all the SJW) but all of my friends who aren’t “white” agree that land reparations are useless! (the majority of sensible South African - aka not the politicians who have bribed their way into power) as it will destroy the economy further as it negatively impacts land investments & the agricultural industry for a start. It’s only the older (55+) generation that actually want this. Do your research, facts & statistics don’t lie.
I was also born in SA, my family left Cape Town when I was 8 years old and moved to the states. I'm 35 now and I still believe that was the best decision my parents ever made for my sister and myself. All my family back in SA is basically totally screwed. They can't even get jobs because they are white.
It destroys the economy because you whites don't want to respect Goverment legislation, instead of refusing to give up the land teach the people what you know so South Africa can sustain. Itself or you can always go back to England
Mike Jones firstly I’m not British/English at all you generalising, clearly ignorant human being - I’m multiethnic. Secondly the amount of people who actually want to learn about “the land” aren’t that many however it’s seems that you want SA to become the next Zimbabwe (as they went through the same thing where land was rendered useless as it wasn’t tended to properly) 🙄
Well said Joe. I'm from South Africa, you make a good point about the murders not entirely being acts of racism. Farm lands are isolated and easy targets for crime regardless of colour
@@tianels2090 in torture cases yes i agree its acts of racism, (almost seems personal due to the aggressive nature of the attack) but only 22 of the last 905 victims across 552 farms involved torture. Also 26% of all farm attack victims are farm workers, (people of colour).
If one reeeeally wants to know what's happening in SA one has to actually spend time here to see the glaring divide between the haves (white) and have nots ( people of colour). The FACT that around 80% of land is still in the hands of White citizens is alarming. That right there is a CRIME.
One of South Africa’s biggest issues is that they try to cover up the corruption with racism and blaming everything on racism ,but at the end of the day it all comes down to money
@@sowhat1273 please google White Cross Monument/Mountain. You can also contact Afriforum, they have figures, documents, pictures. Also try to get the book Blood Sisters, about the clean up crew that cleans up after Farm attacks.
Anytime an atrocity happens people say its not happening. In nazi occupied Netherlands the truth about concentration camps was coming out. This lead to wide spread protests in amsterdam and a shortage of manufactured goods. The Government came put and said these were just "rumors" and now years later people wonder how such atrocities happened in their countries and they always claim they would have stopped it. Then those same people turn a blind eye to actual atrocities and say "thats just conspiracy"
Joe Rogan. I was born and raised in South Africa and I still live here. I lived during Apartheid and now during the liberation years. No Whites stole land they traded with the Khoisan for the land. The Khoisan are legal inhabitants of South Africa eho came before the Black Race in SA. The Khoisan have testified to this fair trade. Apartheid was definitely wrong and shameful however one cannot forget that Whites built the infrastructure of SA with European money and ingenuity. They established Harbours and ports and built a perpetually progressive Country and they introduced mining techniques that were already in practice in the Westernised World. Africans migrated down to South Africa to seek prosperity that the settlers brought with what they were establishing however it was unfortunate that Apartheid prevented orhers from prospering but to say that White South Africans stole the land is extremly inaccurate and totally false.
I'm in 100% support of military intervention to be stationed and protect the Afrikaans and their farmland. This is more a worthy cause for military intervention than the past 100 years of wars America and Europe have thrown themselves in.
Its not right. But can u blame them? It's a natural human behavior to respond to decades of colonization with reverse racist garbage. I hate it but WE SHOULD ALL UNDERSTAND IT and not act oblivious to what Euros did throughout Africa and the entire world since the 16th century up until recently
I'm a black South African,most farm killings have no evidence of any robbery taken place,why?,because most farm killings are a result of disgruntled workers (USA citizens know it as "going postal"). And most the perpetrators are not even South Africans,most are from our neighbouring countries as far as Malawi. It's a serious problem not just for race-relates but also food security...I also don't trust the figures from government when it comes to farm murders...it's got little to do with race.
There's a song titled "I've never met a nice South African" that was on Britain's top 100 charts in the late 80's. The legacy of Apartheid isn't as distant in the past as most people think.
@@hectorornelas6182 It was from a political satire tv show called "Spitting Image", so technically yes. The song's premise is that an adventurer/explorer is recounting all the bizarre and improbable things he encountered in his travels (Such as getting a sunstroke in the Artic, meeting a Mermaid, meeting a man with 2 dicks, meeting aliens and getting an anal probe, etc.), yet in all his travels he's never met a nice (white) South African. The chorus is then sung by a bunch of South Afrikanners, running over animals in their safari jeep, who also say they've never met a nice South African because, accoriding to the lyrics, "we're (they're) a bunch of of talentless murderers who hate Black people".
@@ghostqueen2082 They do have a distinct look don't they? It seems that alot of Boers I've met in Australia seem to be short and built like a brick house, with alot of wide sort of features. does anyone else notice this or is it a coincidence on my behalf? hahaha
Jo - at about 2:55 you start talking about legitimate claims on land that was stolen. I would like to provide you my thinking on this aspect. The land that was stolen was under the 1913 Native Land Act, and it is a fact, no denying that. But land was not stolen by people and then they owned the land. Land was stolen by government, who then sold it to new owners. so nobody in SA owns farmland that he or his family stole, they had to buy it from government (who were the stealers of the land). So how can government now say that they will take the Land from Whites without compensation, because they do not own it?? When those whites or their forefathers or the previous land owners had to purchase it from the state. So here is my viewpoint - Example - If I purchase a business, I purchase it with all its stock, assets and liabilities. Governments are the same - You take over the assets AND liabilities. So since the state stole the land and then sold it, the onus should now be on the state to purchase back (from the current legal owners) the land they sold (at fair market price) and give it back to those they stole it from in the first place. Now I know people are going to say - You can't expect the current government to foot the bill, because it was not in their time. Well then my rebuttal is that then the current government should not have received all the profitable State Owned Enterprises they did, because they weren't built in their time. Which brings us back to my earlier view - you inherit the good and the bad of the previous government. And just as a side note to prove the total inefficiency of the current government, I will list some of the above mentioned Highly Profitable State Owned Enterprises they inherited (with their current state). These were all economic Powerhouses when they took them over - South African Airways (been bankrupt for years bankrupt, have had to receive Billions in bail outs) Eskom (basically bankrupt - made a R2.3 Billion loss in 2018, infrastructure falling apart, one of the reasons for our ratings slide) South African Broadcasting Corporation (basically bankrupt, about to retrench over 1000 people) South African Post Office (basically bankrupt, last year 22 of their branches were closed by landlords because they couldn't even pay their rent) Denel (bankrupt, I have a letter sent out to staff to bring their own toilet paper to the office, because Denel is so bankrupt it cannot even afford toilet paper for their offices) Prasa (basically bankrupt and rocked by scandal and corruption Petro SA (in major financial peril as they have lost all their other big customers and only have Shell, and Shell has now in October also put them on notice because of bad fuel quality) Transnet (Also reeling under corruption and tender irregularities)
Exactly. which is why Cyril is busy selling out by begging for investors to save us. All the above is spot on, not to mention hospitals in disarray. One where I live sent managerial staff home to have a paid holiday while they do a forensic check on food being stolen and computers and laptops being stolen and hospital funds being looted. Most of the government hospitals are in a disgusting state. Psychiatric institutions have been reported for abusing their patients. The list goes on and on. Orphanages closed down due to lack of government funds. Old age homes close down, or struggle to get funds from government to look after the aged. The government education system is in a massive mess, with NGOs having to work tirelessly to try to educate small children. The biggest threat, we will be lucky if we have electricity by the time the elections happen next year. Imagine that, and it could seriously happen, just like that!!!
@@GEB895 Spot on!! Healthcare in SA is a disaster. Patients lying dying on the floors in the hallways, because there is not even bedding or food to give them. Education is just as big a mess. How can you have people matriculating with a 30% pass rate, and then be surprised when they turn out to only be suited for employment as manual labourers. That is why I pay thousands of Rands (which I can't really afford) every month to keep my daughter in a private school. And have to save up to send her abroad when she matriculates, because there is no future in SA with the way things are going. And then people think it is an achievement when the Chinese "invest" in SA, like the R33 Billion loan Eskom got from China. What people don't realize is that Eskom will NOT be able to pay back that loan, which China is counting on. And what will then happen is that China will seize Eskom assets (power plants) which have been put up as collateral. People can go and check how many Power plants, harbours, etc China allready owns in Africa. Soon SA will have to buy electricity from China, from power stations that used to belong to Eskom. It is Economic Colonization of Africa by China. But the current SA government is so busy trying to blame all their failures on the "previous colonizers", that they do not see that the Chinese "investments" are colonizing them again.
Okay quick question just to try and make you understand where the no compensation argument comes from. If I sell something that is legally not mine to sell to you Does that mean that the rightful owner now has to pay you when wanting his possession back?
@@lwazinozulu613 but the State was the one who stole the farmers lands and "ilegally"(legally at that time) sold It and on top of that they( the State) is still there to compensate those who were fooled
Farm invasions, constant killings of the people who are trying to fight to have a decent life. The stories I can tell you about when we were in primary school and had to run home because we were being looked for parents tortured. I can go on
For all the people mindlessly agreeing with the poor an excuse for an argument that is the khoisan people were the 1st people in SA so if land reparations were to happen it would go to them... do a quick google search, they are also black... this is Africa we’re talking about... don’t just follow any flimsy false info that supports ur own biases in future.
What nonsense, talk about being disingenuous! You know very well that the Khoisan and Bantu aren't the same, two distinct different groups, you also know full well that the Bantu have plenty of tribalism with the Zulu for example genociding all the other Bantu tribes during the Bantu expansion and the Mfecane (implying all blacks in Africa are the same is a joke). Also the Bantu are also colonizers that slaughtered Khoisan. The Bantu arrived in SA (anywhere south of the fish river) 120years after whites (having moved down from Central Africa). In terms of land ownership, the Bantu inhabited the same land they still own today, the best land in SA, their tribal homelands. Without European tech (boreholes) 70% of SA's land could not be inhabited because its barely better than desert. The Bantu now want to claim what was useless before whites brought boreholes, even when they already own the only land they have a legitimate claim to, it is frankly ridiculous!
Black Bantu is not the same as black Khoisan. Get that through your head. So a the black Bantu coming from the north and killing Khoisan and taking their land, is no different to whites coming from the north and taking the land from the Bantu that the Bantu stole from the Khoisan. Except the Bantu stole from the legitimate owners.
My stepdad is an Afrikaner, he left in the 90s because he said South Africa was getting dangerous, he said Afrikaner people were getting attacked and killed by blacks in a twisted form of revenge.
This is the most level headed commentary on this farm situation I've heard ever but if the world heard the rape statistics of women and children in south Africa it wouldnt regognise farm attacks as an epidemic.
I have a SA friend who left because of this and also the danger she experienced at uni. It's all true and it would seem the government in SA does not care. As awful as it is. I would say get out while you still can.
Man.. I start crying in anger when I hear people talk about this subject.. I live in SA and it's much worse than foreigners think.. My brother goes to a agricultural boarding school and a LOT of the other learners have had attacks on their parent's farms with 3 murders among them.. And crime.. In the last 2 months alone a guy got shot in the head at a restaurant in Gordon's bay where I live.. And they tried to grab a little girl while she was eating with her mother at a restaurant.. Luckily another guy jumped in and subdued the attacker.. The farm murders are VERY real and the overall crime in SA is getting worse every day.. BTW there's video on both those incidents..
It is complex indeed Joe. There are honest and dishonest people with agendas but my hope is that Land issue is sorted out in South Africa. And that it is peaceful when all is done. I am a South African with great hope that the good people in South Africa will work hard to make our country a success.
The land issue is very complex, but it is the smallest of all the issues in SA. There's not about to be enough pulling together to make it work, unless the land issue is put into perspective for once and for all. Get all the SEOs on track first then we might just have a chance of surviving to tell the story of how the land issue is resolved.
I am South African and I must say this is the most well informed conversation on our issues from any foreign entity. I commend you on seeing both sides. I have to note that even Philip DeFrancos coverage wasn't as well rounded and well understood as yours. This is not an attack on him I'm a big follower of his news but this is a prime example of understanding an issue from both sides
Hey Tshepo - there is no possibility of solutions unless one tries to check as many angles and sides as possible. Just the other day I watched a lengthy debate with Andile - being white it is not a nice experience to listen to that guy - but his is yet another angle. I do prefer more friendly angles in general lol.
@@sunnysza9707 I apologise for the hostility that you may feel. sadly this issue is beyond the scope of most people and requires extensive research. My view has and always will be that we ALL need eachother no matter what race.
@@TshepoMotaungreallife Thanks Tshepo :) There is a reason why there are people like Andile - when he doesn't go nuts he actually makes valid points lol. SA is a very complex country as opposed to Hungary where I come from originally. 11 official languages, so many different approaches and very hectic history and extreme poverty. Yesterday I watched Johnny Clegg telling his story - how he started to learn maskande - how the music started to change from more traditional to a mix of old and new - how he started discovering Celtic characteristics in Zulu traditional sounds. His is yet another approach. ( ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-2YFs2lu4TQQ.html ). And the people usually are somewhere in between Andile and Johnny Clegg ... I think Johnny is right in saying that music - unlike anything else - has the potential to go beyond usual boundaries and help achieve a higher level of understanding sometimes .... it is a learning curve for all as I see it - I like how Moses Molelekwa talks about greatness - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Q33eOKZNukw.html . Thanks for being open to other angles too - it is very much appreciated :) SA is great because of all the people and cultures, history that is a very unique one - due to its location on the world map. it is a tough task - and politicians are really not helping - I do think that if ordinary people all put in some effort - they can turn this hectic situation around and create a better functioning and safer country for all - however if they don't wake up - and let the violent voices take over - everyone will suffer.
What everyone misses is that people say the murder numbers aren't more than general crime stats, but the term "Farm murder" is given for the brutality of the murders, torturing beyond comprehension.
The stats the SA government puts out are wrong. In the Farmlands documentary a white couple who does crime scene clean ups says the numbers the government puts out are lower than there numbers. They also said there is a farm attack nearly every day.
Hahaha... He couldnt even have Tim Pool on the show... Made the poor dude fly to LA from jersey twice n bumped him off the schedule AFTER he flew across the fkn country...
@@LiquifiedSoul I'm from SA. Lauren Southern threw her interest here cos the rest of the world banned her. There are murders across the board. White indian black etc. Glad Jo mentions the race spectrum. These are situations created through the unequal distribution of land under Apartheid. The minority of the population had the majority of the land.
The Hutu vs Tutsi conflict was largely manufactured by the Belgians. It is not black on black conflict, it Was tragically the effect of bloody colonialism.
mel Dolma jip Mel, I also saw all those Belgians running down the streets on a killing spree (that’s sarcasm by the way, just in case you too dim to know the difference)
So 62 farmers killed in a year (14 of whom were black farmers) is the same as many millions of Jews being slaughtered per year in WW2? Jesus!! What's wrong with you??
@@pbbota - the official stats are 73 000 whites murdered since 1994. Trust me - its much higher than that, for one thing, there are thousands of missing people, especially children who are chopped up to make traditional medicine. An interpol study showed that the police don't even record many crimes. When you get to court - they cant find any of the records and the case is thrown out. I know of many terrible stories that happened in my neighbourhood and to people I know.
Another young farmer was murdered here in South Africa, today alot of farmers gathered in a town called Senekal to attend the first court hearing after the cunts who killed him were caught. Our government which is the ANC keeps covering all these murders up even the police are in on it
No Joe, the land is not stolen. Even if it was, you can't hold people today responsible for shit that happened 100+ years ago. They are innocent of any crime
Innocent of any crime? No we ALL BENEFIT REWARDS OR SUFFER CONSEQUENCES BC OF WHAT OUR ANCESTORS DID. The rules of life do not change now that europeans r FINALLY paying for what their ancestors did
@@HouseofEvangelism Tell me what crimes any white person did that was not done by say the Asians ? How about the Arabs who had black slaves and who supplied the slave trade in the west ? What about the tribes in Africa who raided weaker tribes and took slaves and sold them to the Arabs ? What about the Moors who enslaved whites and blacks a like ? What about the Japanese murdered millions of Chinese ? Tell me what about the slave trade that is going on in Africa right now ? Are you too bothered about something the ended 2 - 300 years ago that you are too blind to see what is happening right now or are you just embarrassed because its blacks and Arabs selling black people and not the evil white man. Do me a favour get off your high horse and get a life. There is no innocent race and there is not one that has not been as evil as another.
@@HouseofEvangelism so I must now go accuse some random white children? By that logic, as a brown man you might as well blame me for all the dictatorships that have happened in Mexico.
You have no idea how bad it is i lost one of my school friends this past weekend due to a farm killing him and his dad got there lives taken away. We need help it's gonna end and in a way we don't want
There is no real stolen land in South Africa because the Africans saying the land was stolen never lived there until the Dutch set up industries in South Africa. These people migrated to South Africa for jobs and the true indigenous people of that land didn't want anything to do with what was going on so they stayed away from the Dutch settlements. The ones claiming the land was stolen had no ancestry in South Africa. This is what I have learned about the situation.
Thank you for discussing farm murders in South Africa. I am a South African Nnd know axactly what is going on there. The farm attacks are without a doubt racist
@@brubrulani The Afrikaans verse in today's national anthem, is the apartheid anthem. How is it they stuck with it and who's accountable? It's mind blowing, at the least should have came up with another verse. Afriforum and Sunderlander (alt - Right) exclusively sing that verse when they congregate.
@@tshiamishogopane633 I agree. What they tried to do was "merge the country together" showing a transition from the old anthem to the new anthem. But I think they should have just done a new verse in afrikaans. At the time, anc didn't want a civil war and tried to make the afrikaaners "happy" but they should revise the anthem and change the afrikaans verse
When the Marxist get the job done.. You my friend are going to beg for apartheid.... Btw The USA ended segregation 21 years b4 SA. Don't act as if the world was very different to SA..
Foreign agencies obviously have been observing the apparent targeting of white farmers but if you crunch the numbers, clearly that's not the case. Everyone is prone to murder in S.A.
Hey Joe.. i live In South Africa. I think you should go ahead and follow up on whats happening in SA af the moment...you'll be able to prove once and for all that you were never wrong about what is happening here. PS!!! i shouldn't have to explain to you not to believe our governments main stream media. Someone needs to help our farmers.
@Vlad the guru Yes it was Mandelas fault for not addressing these issues. His reconciliation commission was a spit in the face to black South Africans. He was weak and now that he's gone the racial tensions which have been brewing for decades are now coming out.
@Vlad the guru Yes but now it gives the Boers to try and rewrite history. Now they are the victims somehow. They are the peaceful innocent victims being prosecuted on their land
@Vlad the guru Listen you can not trust any black leaders who wypipo hold in high regards. They will not teach u about Sankara or Lumumbo actual leaders who put their people 1st. The same way America only highlights Martin Luther King and Booker T. They will NEVER praise Marcus Garvey or Malcolm X. The same way u will not learn about Touissant and Jean Dessalines outside of Haiti. Why are Ghandi and Martin Luther King so promoted and praised by white people ask yourself that
Okay let's bring it back but take all of the white land and push whites into concentrated unfarmable areas. I think if they love apertheid so much then they should enjoy being subject to it
My two cents: My parents are 87 & 85, we are from the south and are conservatives...and I've NEVER heard my parents say the "N" word, have NEVER heard my parents talk bad about another race, and have heard fond memories of my parents living and working around black people...except for the very outrageous example most conservatives have always been and are now NOT RACIST OR JUDGEMENTAL...it gets real old hearing this from the left...
daBIGJuiCE619 how about Hannah Cornelius or Anene Booysen or Karabo Mokoen or the countless other woman regardless of race/tribe who are sexually assaulted, raped and/or murder 🤨
White people have started blacks out of economical prosperity and we keep playing this game like it isn't a known fact, anyone with a brain can see the disparities..
Vlad the guru you don't know me, and i don't know you, how can i have your shit? Thats some insane victim mentality right there Who has your shit? What is your shit exactly?
It is a complex issue, the notion that all of the land was just stolen is also misleading, most people don't know the full history of SA. All I want to say is that clearly the adverse reaction people have for the mear mentioning of white farmers being tortured for days and murdered(in some cases the victims blood was used to write "kille the boer " on the walls) which has in fact happened thousands of times, paints a picture of the double standards people have in terms of what group/race they decide somehow "deserves" racist treatment and open threats of genocide( just google Julius Malema, the leader of our 3rd largest political party) because of the actions of others of the same race in the past. www.politicsweb.co.za/opinion/on-sas-brutal-farm-murders
MOST of the land was stolen. It may be that not all the land was stolen but Most was stolen and white South Africans profited off the foul treatment of non-whites. I do think that farm murders are problem but by no means is it a genocide. But it's definitely a problem that needs to be addressed, I am a black South African. I think it is very complex issue I agree, I don't think a lot of political parties be it DA, ANC and especially EFF have improved or set an example for race relations. But EFF has posed a lot of questions up for discussion that weren't discussed before. And I think they're profiting off the frustration of black South Africans
@@lwandilemsiza8027 Except the Boers were actually their first. South Africa was EMPTY when whites moved in. Blacks in South Africa are actually more recent immigrants than whites.
TUSSJ giving the land to people who worked it is fine but just giving it to random strangers who don’t know anything about using land or living there is just stupid.
Thats so evil and cruel of you. Destroying families livelihood for some slight they have had nothing to do with. Just because they are white and own land doesn’t mean it belongs to black S.Africans. Disgusting.
@@LB_die_Kaapie what in the literal fuck are you getting at? You can't just kill people to soothe some sort of injustice, due to the color of someone's skin period.
The reason why the media doesn't pick it up, is because farmers are not recording or live streaming the events. So there's no emotional response from viewers or listeners that will lead to world wide protests.
