I was searching for the truth for months. Listening to Dawkins, Hitchens and Christian apologetics. In the end, I was walking down the street here in Dublin, Ireland and I said to myself, and I really really meant it: I’m NEVER thinking about this again and I’m going to do what I want in life. At that very moment two girls approached me and said can we talk to you? Pissed off with it all I said “yeah what do you want?” She said to me “if you want to see the kingdom of heaven you have to become a born again Christian”. The timing of that, I knew even if I didn’t want to believe it - God spoke to me and gave me the answer at the very moment I’d given up. Why did God answer me after I’d given up I wondered? Because if those girls came up to me at any other time I would’ve questioned it because I was in questioning mode. God waited until he knew he would really get through to me. I didn’t want to believe it that I had to become a born again Christian. I since did and inviting God and the son who sacrificed his life for me was the best thing I’ve ever done. That’s my truth. God bless.
I remember walking whilst talking to a colleague of mine on the phone. My colleague had been down beaten and not motivated to carry the out tasks he had been set to complete. He was about 10 miles away but it didn't stop me visualising his environment and I started to encourage him to notice the beautiful moments he was in. It was a gorgeous day, the sun was out the birds were singing, the bees were buzzing. I knew he was surrounded by lush peaceful countryside and he had the freedom to work at his own pace without somebody hassling for productivity. Within no time he was good to go. I put the phone down and then realised how high a state I got off my own words. The next six people stop me to talk to me. I don't mean a passing hello I mean stop me because they wanted to have conversation with me. It could be said somebody you dont know stopping you for a chat is quite normal. Two is nice. Three is odd but six separate people at six different times and in a row, wow! That felt like an incredible experience. I suppose I am saying you get yourself in such a state that you can attract people that are in some or another way looking for that energy you are radiating. 🙏
“if you want to see the kingdom of heaven you have to become a born again Christian”. I guess it really sucks for all the people who lived in a time period prior to when Christianity and the concept of heaven were invented.
That's actually a very ironic statement. 98% of the time that's EXACTLY how it is. Whoever a viewer is subscribed to they will almost always agree. Even if it's something they almost certainly wouldnt have believed beforehand. Like there's videos with thousands of views about shit like avengers endgame, and although the vast majority of people loved it, these small youtubers and their videos have a very high like/dislike ratio. The ONLY exceptions to this are 1. Religion 2. Politics. And that's literally it. Every other time they will follow their youtuber like (for lack of a better word) dogs.
@Random User you really dont get the joke dont you?! let me spell it out for you he is poking fun at the way dawkins dissmisses everything anyone who doesnt think like him says... of course its not a comparison its a joke. and i though atheists were supposed to be smart
Joe can't know the Holy spirit because he leans on his own understanding. Pray for him. Please...Pray for Joe Rogan and encourage everyone to also pray for him to receive the truth.
My aunt once told me her encounter with an angel while she was praying in a church. She said she felt a cloth coming in contact with her arm while her eyes were closed praying. There were no other clue besides the fact that she FELT touched by a something she PERCEIVED as cloth. yeah no, it's called hallucination. who even needs DMT, when there's religion.
I'm a former Christian. I used to think the Holy Spirit was convicting me and manifesting itself in me. I realize now it was the power of belief and nothing else. Every religion has these same Godly experiences.
The Man with the most statues of him, the Man whose name has been spoken the most times of any human, the Man who has 2.4 Billion followed here on Earth and whose life is the greatest story ever told, had no political power, no military power, and no money. These stories are not a mistake.
Christianity is about sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic. He is just a personification of the sun. The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin" The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind" The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea. "He cometh in the clouds" is just sun rays. The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes. The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens. ... .
Christianity is about sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic. He is just a personification of the sun. The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin" The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind" The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea. "He cometh in the clouds" is just sun rays. The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes. The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens. ... .
Hare Krsna. Krsna is Supreme Personality of Godhead, the cause of all causes including his creation of Jesus, a son of God. Vedic scriptures along with Bhagavad Gita, Srimad Bhagavatam, and other literatures from the Vedas are timeless. Yuga cycles represent mankind spiritual evolution and are recorded in the Vedas. Hare Krsna.
@@Gamefan86 you are dead wrong the Bible is a compilation of narrative historical events not written with a single hint or clue that it is mythology or a metaphor for sun worship.
@@jeffsafawi7947 and in Jesus time the amount of material printed about him from extra biblical sources was equivalent to there being only radio but Jesus was the talk of the radio when he never had a show himself. It'd be alot more rediculous if all the radios everywhere started talking about himnand someone who knew him personally showed up and started telling you all about it And then murdered by the government for their beliefs.
For years I was an atheist, I looked at everything about spirituality. Laughed at the idea of Jesus being real or "alive". In a moment in my life I was 25 I accepted Jesus the Messiah as my savior. I can't explain nor show proof, but Jesus has been with me at every mistake or accomplishment I've experienced. Jesus is alive, He's changed me as a man and has given me an unexplainable peace inside my soul that surpasses happiness or sadness. Jesus is still changing lives and He will continue to do so until He comes back. Take care.
John 20:27-29 “Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God. 29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.” You my friend are more blessed than Thomas, who actually put his finger in the holes of Christ, simply because you believe .
@@angelovq the difference is there is POSITIVE evidence God exists, truth exists, and that the New Testament is telling us the truth about Christ’s resurrection .
@@amb5941 Jesus the bride groom? I see him every where. The church denies my spirit for a male god in woman. See the transgender? That is your bride groom. The embodiment of Lucifer here to take the place of the embodiment of the living spirit Woman. Who you deny before the world. All though you came from HER Vagina. Not Mans Penis!
meli d well of course, so many people have their words twisted. Even today. That’s to be expected. For my part, I believe that His immediate followers, after Pentecost, never did. There was indeed a great change in them. All twelve of them until the day they died held the same exact story. Even amidst absolutely horrid torments. That gives me more pause to listen to them. But, yes, I understand your point completely.
Nancy Beth Exactly! And not only that imagine just a few hundred years ago we didn’t talk how we talk now. And now go back just 1000 years ago it’s almost a complete different language. Now you want to go back over 2000 years… and add all the mixed translations and the slangs.
Jesus doesn't have that much evidence of being a real person and you can actual have a conversation about that, I don't think joe rogan was biased just trying to understand where he stands between believing that Jesus existed or that he didn't
@@tnl-warrior3218 The conversation is about whether not Jesus was an actual historical figure. Joe is applying a reasonable amount of scrutiny and skepticism about a person who likely existed but whose deeds where clearly exaggerated over time. For anyone familiar with the world history, ancient world and mythology in general, real people being exaggerated over time and given divine attributes is very common. Some famous example being king Gilgamesh of Uruk, king Arthur and Buddha. Real people who were given divine properties centuries after death Joe's position only seems biased because very few people look at the Jesus tale with the appropriate amount of scrutiny.
@Dank Memes it's clear multiple times. That having a sound mind, a sober mind if you are a follower of the creator. Anytime you alter your mind or consciousness this is opening doors to evil spirits to influence and deceive.
It’s interesting that they always go against Christianity and never criticize other religions as much. I don’t go to church often at all but when I do some research about Christ and his teachings it is very inspiring to become a good person. He creates an empire/kingdom without using weapons … unlike other religions or faiths
Joe, actually, drinking wine in those days was safer than drinking water because wine is cleaner. So most people preferred wine. Drinking wine was not just to get drunk, it was safer.
Of course they all got drunk despite how much they put water in. I think Pythagoras had created a cup that when it was filled more than a certain volume, all the cup emptied from a small hole in the bottom.
You're saying that as I'd they knew what bacteria were. The only water they would consider "dirty " is muddy water and they could just filter it in cloth.
gwanael34 they wouldn’t have to know what bacteria were. They would just know if you drink dirty water you’ll get sick. They just need to know the effects. Blame it on evil spirits.
Easy way to get Jesus: 1. Go to Pawn Stars to sell an ‘original’ copy of the Old Testament. 2. Rick: do you mind if a call a buddy of mine who knows everything about the Old Testament? 3. Jesus enters the pawn shop.
Most people don't spend their days thinking about the evidence that jesus existence. They either believe he didn't or they do and maybe follow what they think his teachings are. That's what he meant.
@@weekendpartier You do realize there are roughly 2.5 billion christians alive today tight? They by definition care. (Edit: didn't realize someone already covered what I said)
Jesus changed my life the moment I prayed to him. He is real. What’s interesting is He connects to anyone who ask Him to come into their heart. It’s an individual choice. Love and blessings to everyone.
I have read a lot of his books, they're very well thought out. He did a really good job explaining things and his historical accuracy is impressive. Whether you believe it or not, you have to appreciate his efforts in trying to understand history.
Richard Dawkins is NOT an intelligent man. He is a prolific liar and nothing more. There are 3 seperate eye witness accounts that testify to the existence and miracles of Jesus. There is a 4th account that was compiled by Luke, a doctor of medicine. He doubted the story and so he compiled interviews with hundreds of people.The life and deeds of Jesus were also mentioned by Josephus, a first-century Romano-Jewish historian. Not to mention the numerous records about Christians we have from official Roman documents.
If you know the world before the time of jesus then you know he wasn't real. 4 gospels are the 4 seasons. Jesus is the Sun (of man ). The 12 disciples are the 12 months of the year or 12 signs of the zodiac.
Foe of Faux Pho they just need time for something to happen in they life and come to realization theres more then just earth and dying, why u think every spirting talking bout "i want your soul" cause our souls are forever, your body isnt.
When I was young, I was indoctrinated by **atheism**-- the kind of atheism which is believing god does not exist rather than not believing god exists. By some motivation, I began to actually study what I was taught to hate. Now I am the kind of atheist who does not hate religion; I love religion and I see it is in the hearts of my friends and I am glad.
@@johnkoch9447 I get what he’s saying basically saying he used to be a atheist who would get annoyed of people who believe in god and shii but eventually he started to realize ,it doesn’t matter what they believe in it brings them happiness and hope
Wise, one day you will be welcomed into gods kingdom, can’t say the same for rogan and Dawkins. They will realise one day, when it is too late most likely.
@Josh Miller I would say you pray and seek discernment from God on this @Josh Miller try to watch some Christian Apologetics youtube channels. like Drcraigvideos, Trinity Radio, Inspiring Philosophy, and oneminuteapologist (If you are a Christian)
@@Yaavar7777 I went to Uganda on a missions trip. We arrived at a local village after traveling for 3 days and went to see a witch doctor. We observed their practices and dances and they did a ritual we watched from a distance. I saw a man float 3 feet in the air and start going in circles. You see some shit like that and you start to think, hm, maybe there is something to this spiritual stuff and God LOL
They did use marijuana for incense. Archeologists found an alter with marijuana residue on a plate that dedicates to God and for God to be in the room.
Historically he was a real person. The Romans left written accounts about him, but the Christian Church is probably responsible for adding in all the miracles he performed.
So we went from Jesus Christ to the Westboro Baptist Church...lol From what I have seen, WBC most certainly does Not practice the love and acceptance that Jesus preached. Joe, you hit the nail right on the head when you said they are "hate filled".
@@theomulenga8741 he has had plenty of people that he severely disagrees with on his podcast before. He seems pretty open to what ever worldview or ideology
@BLUE DOG hahahaha i find it highly unlikely that a person who was playing pong on lsd in the 70s, and cocaine in the 80s, and went to jail apparently for rape and murder, would be commenting on youtube videos about jesus with rogan and some other dude... actually this is probably exactly where someone like that would be found.
I have no doubt in my spirit and soul, that in my NDE it was Jesus Christ who touched me and pushed me back into my earthly body. No one can take that experience away from me.
@@druidriley3163 Good point 😄I personally believe every religion, at its core, is a reinterpretation of the same thing. For me, it's whatever single force is manifesting itself as all living things - call it 'The Universe', but we're all talking about this thing that's bigger than us and calling it whatever we feel we relate to most.
To answer Joe’s question on why they didn’t drink water. It was a wedding for a cousin of Jesus I believe and they ran out of wine and everyone wasn’t having a great time so Jesus turned a barrel of water into wine and it was noted that it was the best wine to have ever been made
Not to my knowledge. I could be wrong though. I'd love to see it if he has. He has a chip on his shoulder toward religion. Having someone like Ravi Zacharias would be an amazing guest for Joe.
S S it’s not about that. It’s about history and being factually accurate. Richard Dawkins can criticize the claims of Christianity all he wants but he can’t spread nonsense about the history of the western world.
S S Again, it’s not that I believe in the Bible. It’s that I believe in what actually happened historically. Dawkins doesn’t even understand the first centuries CE of European history. He has no idea what kind of impact Christianity made on the Greco-Roman world.
@@justsomeassholeathiest6347 why are they idiots ..the elites have the bloodline of Christ and his dna and will not reveal it ..WHY ? I think I know why it’s a race thing
I woke at 4am thinking about this clip. My question is this: if there is a creator of the universe, who made space, time, matter, nature and the trees, seas, mankind and everything…would he not have the power to bend whatever he chose to his will? Similar to a video game designer having the ability to use cheat codes for his video game, why couldn’t a God have the ability to do “miracles”? I agree it would be impossible for Jesus to walk on water, turn water into wine, preform miracles and raise the dead…if he was only a man. It would only possible if he was God in the flesh, using his cheat codes. I could go a lot deeper into this, but this kinda makes since right? I believe it is logical to believe that Jesus could walk on water, because where there is infinite power nothing is impossible. It is only by the grace of God that YOU or even Joe reads this. What if you could actually have a relationship with the creator of the universe who was infinite power? What if he actually loves you more than you can fathom? What if he died so that you can be free from sin? Why not seek him humbly with all your heart and find out for yourself? I assure you there is mountains of evidence that point to there being a creator and him being Jesus Christ. Also, even atheist scholars agree that Jesus was a real dude. He even has genealogy that traces his linage back 41 generations! He is referenced in not only the Bible, but in multiple OTHER religious text. Such as Islam (in the Quran), and several others. Dude I can go on and on about this stuff, just open the door for him to come into your life and I promise he will. He is knocking right now. It’s sad that there are so many “church’s” who claim to know Jesus but live in a way that promotes Satan. Jesus was not judge-mental, condemning, or legalistic like countless church’s are. HE LITERALLY HAD DINNER WITH HOMOSEXUALS, PROSTITUTES, and the worst people you could think of. Why?-because he came to call sinners to repentance. You may not be a serial killer, prostitute, or drug dealer, but you messed up at least once in your life. You done at least one thing wrong, whether it be a little white lie or a crime. None of us are perfect or righteous, that’s why we all need Jesus. Repent and accept him in your heart, because he is coming back soon. Guys everyone who really knows Jesus, knows that it is not a religion it is a relationship with the one who created me and you.
“…We all agree on the obligation of the moral precepts of Jesus Christ..” Thomas Jefferson to James Fishback 27 Sept 1809. Rogan like others sold his soul to the highest bidder”.
and wine back then (that was made for safe drinking) didn't have very much alcohol in it so you could drink it like water and not be plastered all day and the alcohol present helped to kill any bacteria or viruses in the wine and it's theorized that we adapted to drink alcohol and actually be able to process it (much better than other animals) to help kill any diseases or parasites in our body but we still aren't quite that sure why we are the junkies of the animal kingdom
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Jesus is real, I have met him and his words is exakt in every point. If you read the bible you can use the words for your success. It is amazing and I recommend everybody to read it and also say yes to Jesus.
@sandman He was 100% not pale. Anyone who thinks Jesus was actually Caucasian doesn't understand the time period or the geographical area he was supposedly from.
@sandman I dident see his color because of his light flowing out of his face and body. But after the meeting I have done a ton of research. And Jesus could apear as his normal look. He has a soft light brown skin but the color he has is only his. One of a kind. Same with his hair and eyes. But to be accepted in heaven it is a must to say with your mouth that you believe in him and what he did on the cross that he died for our sins.
Evidence is not great 😂 except for all the historians of the time period who where pagans so had no reason to lie but where historians none the less and documented everything
@@alexboor7716 Well we do have first hand accounts. Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, etc. But I'm guessing you have no intention of taking their accounts as credible so I'll point this out. the idea that you have to have a first-hand account of someone's existence to believe they existed is just completely ridiculous. Our earliest source on Alexander the great came 300 years after his death, but we don't question that.
He was probably a real person but he wasn’t divine in any way lol if you don’t know that you need to grow up, let go and confront your fears and mortality.
@@mike47734 but as a Christian you do confront your fears and your mortality head on. The argument is that when you place all your faith in Christ, all the things of this world are no longer bounding you. The chains are broken. Are there bad examples of Christians? Of course. But that shouldn’t take away from Jesus’ message. “We must believe in his Son, Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as he commanded us” 1John 3:23 I welcome you to really dive into the Bible and study it yourself. Take time with it and ask God for guidance. It won’t be easy and quiet frankly probably a bit awkward if you’ve never done it. But I encourage you to read it. There is a lot you can learn from it my friend. I hope this message finds you well. May God bless you and your family. :)
The reason Dawkins loses me here is because when asked whether he thought Jesus was a real historical person he responds, “the evidence isn’t strong, of course” as though that’s an obvious fact. This is just academically ridiculous. There’s more evidence that Jesus was a real historical person than there is that Cicero and other great historical figures were actual people. Not least of all, there’s the numerous evidence that many (not a few) of Jesus’ followers died a martyrs death because they were unwilling to deny his existence.
It's easy to doubt a man who is proclaimed to have been conceived by a virgin and the will of a old man who lives in the sky and sometimes grants wishes.
Yeah it’s kinda messed up really. Because if he is wrong, he is misleading so many people. But he never thinks for one second that he could be wrong. He’s so certain he’s right, it’s dangerous.
@@godisgood201 he gets very angry when anyone questions his system which is a red flag. He should be able to state his position calmly without insulting a religious worldview to prove his own.
Chance Kuzma he says Yeshua was a common name? Um. It means Salvation in Hebrew. No one was ever named Salvation. The Orthodox Jews were great record keepers. Jesus is mentioned in the Talmud a bunch. I truly feel sorry for this man.
Jesus has the most evidence of his works his life and death of anyone in his time and some of the original manuscripts are close to the period after his death only decade's. Very much unlike alot of famous people did not have anywhere near this level of evidence
Water was generally unsafe to drink. Wine contained the calories they needed and people didn't often die horribly and painfully from diseases like when drinking unclean water. The process of fermentation kills most if not all of the pathogens that were carried in the water used.
ID imagine the Jews knew how to enjoy a good festive event when it seemed appropriate. Wine drinking was apart of the culture and religion when not being abstained from for fasting purposes. "For wine gladdens the heart of man" as the psalm says. However, They are very clear in Proverbs that drunkenness is evil.
@@josephhoward4010 too look forward to a 6 pack every weekend is only the beginning to locking yourself In a cage without knowing it. If we follow Jesus every step and Breath, we gain the key.
Dawkins in denial, Jesus did exist but he can't grapple with the fact that someone who did those deeds would go down in history in that way and that doesn't simply result from "conjuring tricks"
Audeamus That Jesus was a real person? Then you’re living in complete denial. I was an atheist for 12 years and am no longer and I can tell you even in my most aggressive days of atheism I couldn’t deny that he was in fact a real person. There’s TONS of records, even romans wrote about a man named Jesus who had a strangely wide following. You need to do more research but I’m sure you won’t. Many many many writers at the time - who were devout pagans might I add - detailed in their writings about the man named Jesus who lived in Galilee and was starting a movement.
Tyler Scott or Prof John Lennox? He’s already debated Dawkins on this very topic ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-zF5bPI92-5o.html
Joe, If you want to know about the details of a sporting event would you talk to someone who attended or a tailgater in the parking lot who is on the outside?
I don’t know if Joe or his people even see the comments on this channel but I would LOVE to see Dr. Tim Stratton on JRE. He’s a philosopher/theologian who used to be a MMA fighter and shares some political beliefs. He’s an apologist who would have a lot of interesting stuff to say. Hope this happens one day.
There's more historical evidence that Jesus existed than there are of many other ancient rulers. But they'd rather theorize than actually go over the evidence.
Which irrefutable scientific evidence do you have that can trump say...Tutankhamun to name but one of many ancient rulers? While you at it, why don't you or some of your brethren take up the Dr Ray Hagins's "Jesus never existed challenge" and make a fortune?
@@mohlomphehi Apparently, people don't seem to realize the unbiased historical accounts made by Jews and Romans about Jesus' . In fact, there's very little to no evidence that suggests people questioned his existence until rather recently. There's also archeological discoveries that confirm elements of his story from the new testament as well. To deny Jesus' existence, is rather ignorant. You don't have to be religious, or have a belief of anything to acknowledge that he was real but to deny it, would be an ignorant hard headed stubborness that those people generally accuse religious people of being.
Even if he was, it’s irrelevant to him being a divine entity. Just because we can prove if Jesus Christ was a real person, doesn’t mean we can prove if he’s a divine entity. [TL;DR]: It’s ultimately irrelevant.
Joe Distefano sure. Dawkins argues that omniscience and omnipotence are mutually incompatible because he said if God wills A and intends to bring it, he can’t change His mind because then He wouldn’t be omniscient, but if He couldn’t change His mind then He wouldn’t be omnipotent. Dawkins incorrectly assumes that logical contradictions are a necessary knowledge of omniscience. They’re not. For example, a square circle cannot be created because such a notion’s essence is self-contradictory. Divine knowledge also doesn’t work like a chronological thinking process. God is outside of time and if He wills something, it necessarily follows it will occur. Because God is outside of time, all of his decisions occur simultaneously with His will, which so different than human temporality which sees us waiting for things to occur.
@@flamesfan1417 I'm curious how christianity squares the free will idea with god's omniscience and omnipotence without creating a logical paradox. If we have free will to make our decisions but god is omniscience, can he not see the decisions we will make ahead of time and wouldn't that render our decisions as pre-determined? Even if there are multiple possibilities, god can still see them all so how is free will justified? If god chooses not to look, that still doesn't preclude the idea of pre-determinism so why would he stop someone from entering heaven if he already knew all their decisions ahead of time? How does Christian theology tackle this seeming paradox or am I mistaken in recognizing this as a paradox?
abecore2000 you’re right in pointing out this apparent contraction. I’ve come to understand this through understanding one of the classical properties possessed by God along with omniscience etc. - omnipresence, which is that God exists in all places, in all times. Because God is not temporal, He exists today just as He exists 1,000 years ago and 1,000 years from now. Essentially, we separate God’s foreknowledge from our free will. In other words, just because God knows what we will choose to do, it does not necessarily follow that He determined our action. I am Catholic and that’s how I’ve come to understand it - different religions or denominations may understand it differently!
Really? Are there meticulously detailed eyewitness accounts of Aquaman living for a period on earth? Have multiple historians written about the effects that Aquaman’s existence and influence on thousands of individuals in and around the region in which Aquaman allegedly inhabited? Have those who claimed to have seen, touched, and traveled with Aquaman been persecuted to the point of death because they refused to deny what they have experienced? I’m just so fascinated by this. Please show me all of this evidence that you would compare these two. I’m dying to know all about it!
@Zokersghost well he was a real person, but he did fulfill prophecies from the old testament, which you could say he read and did them just to do it, but not like he could really make himself be born in Bethlehem which was anotheprophecy, but who knows when stuff was really written or what happened, I'm kinda agnostic
Trev Some are some are not. If they arent its because of secular atheist societies forcing the primitive christians to normalise and adopt real western values.
pawned pawned bro you want facts! 😂 That's very humble of you. Let me guess, you want God to show himself in front of you? What makes you so special that he should show himself upfront of you? He gave us the rule book or call it whatever you want. Saying that religion takes people backwards is bullshit. We can have everything we have today and have faith. Someone mentioned above western values... The whole western or modern world as we know it is built on Christianity. If they mean by western values, money, greed, last, power and what else, we'll then... What's so good about it. Anything else you're thinking of is a part of Christianity. I'm Christian orthodox, and trust me man I have doubts about God every day. After all its normal, we're all humans. And when I go to church once in 6 months more or less, and I listen to what the priests reads or talks about, makes me realise I'm wrong as much as love my life, I enjoy life, going out, women everything... You realise everything is just at the moment and will pass. Do you need a book to be a good person? No of course, but you don't read a byble just to be a good person it's for your own well being. I'm a hypocrite BTW cos I never read it, but I see people around me who do. There are lot of miracles in orthodox Christianity, now are they true or not I don't know. But I do know for some where they have saints who died 100s years ago and their body is stil intact. It hasn't rotten. And no it's not mummified. We're free to live our life's as we please, that's the beauty of it. But to say that if you're religious you're locked up or something... Its not a cult. Also problem is people see God like white bearded guy standing above the clouds like in Simpsons. That's first mistake they make. Of course no one believes in that. What I don't like about churches is they're all money hungry. It's those western values that has made it that way. I did go out of topic a bit sorry.
@pawned pawned so i take it the media and government show you how to live.. cause you said you don't need a book.. All i know is faith and hope give a lot more strength than having none. And every book says to work hard and earn. Not just pray for food and shelter. Your really only trying to convince yourself.
@pawned pawned its called faith because you cant prove it without a reasonable doubt. Just like you cant prove against it either. There is zero evidence against god or jesus existing. You shout for someone to show you facts for it. But dont demand the same for against it.
The brainwashing power of religion is just amazing. Reading these comments wow. People giving credit for the good in their lives to an adult imaginary friend. But when bad happens you always here “He works in mysterious wayssss”
Every major political rally I’ve been to had interfaith speakers with prayer to accompany. The idea that most atheists or agnostics give a shit about people’s personal religious beliefs is just wrong. If more focus was placed on the humanism faiths we could uplift this world in so many ways.
You would have to call us theists, we don’t believe in god but we definitely don’t throw the idea out the window. We would need to see evidence before we blindly follow someone.
Randy Porter thank you, but I’ve also tried Ayahuasca (the drug they think the burning bush was) and I just had a really great insight trip on everything and firmed my belief that humans really aren’t that special.
Randy Porter you have to remember that when Moses tried Ayahuasca he had no idea that was a drug that changes the chemicals in your brain. He thought it was god giving him insight to something great and mystical when in reality it was just a drug he had no idea he inhaled getting him higher than Mars.
I’d argue there’s never been a more influential person in history than that of Jesus Christ. Our modern calendar is based off his birth, the Bible is the most printed book in history, multiple languages wrote and documented his life, largest following of any person in history…. Sorry Richard Dawkins, he wasn’t just a random wondering preacher with a common name. The beautiful thing and also terrifying thing is one day we will know the Truth. Every knee will bow and tongue will confess.
Wrong! Our calendar is the JULIAN calendar and was instituted by Julius Caesar. The largest following of any person goes to the BUDDHA who btw existed 500 YEARS before Jesus and is revered by a billion more people.
I feel like Dawkings seriously underestimates just how important historicity is to the church. Christianity is one of the few religions that can trace its literature and history directly to a group of first founders and many individuals who claim first hand accounts of Jesus' supposed divinity through physical records. It's this reason the Church has managed to hold on to legitimacy and only split due to political differences
That is absolutely not true, the Gospels and Epistles were written way after Jesus would of died and noone actually knows who the authors are. Do you know how common the names "Matthew, Mark, Luke and John" are? The AUTHORS never claimed to of known Jesus, the CHARACTERS do.
@@whatabouttheearth The Gospel is the real word of God but was killed (corrupted) just like its messenger (Messiah) was "killed". Quran is a back up plan of God to counter act the corruption done on the previous scriptures. God revealed this newer version/testament (Quran) away from the people (Jews) who corrupted the old testament and new testament (Torah & Gospel). To protect his word, God chosen and revealed His ultimate revelation to a Prophet who wasn't an Israelite but a person who spoke different language. God ordered this chosen non-Israelite Prophet (Muhammad) to memorize His ultimate words immediately and also instructed his followers to also memorize it. This way, the memorization of the entire words of God's ultimate revelation (Quran) is a tactic of protection from those who corrupted it previously. If the Jews or pharisees or Romans wanted to corrupt the Quran like they did to the old and new testament, they had a lot of difficult task. They would have to learn Arabic and become a Muslim to get a chance to corrupt it again. They also have another problem! Many Muslims memorized the Quran by heart and they would have to kill all those Muslims to get a chance to corrupt it. Because if all the written word of God was burned, all the memorizers will come together to rewrite it again. This is God's ultimate counterplan against the Jews who conspired to corrupt the Torah and Gospel. This is why the Judeo-Christian Zionist alliance hate Muslims today. Because Muslims are protecting God's ultimate word that exposed their corruption of previous scriptures.
Just a thought: would Jesus be known today If he wasn't really performing miracles? I mean, even guys like Dawkins have to admit that he most probably really existed as a real person (the evidence btw is way better than Dawkins wants to admit and perhaps even better than that of any other figure in ancient history). But then Dawkins goes on to say: "who cares (whether he existed)". And this for me makes it very clear that he really was performing unimaginable miracles. Because otherwise Dawkins would be right in saying "who cares". Because Jesus did not Beat the Romans, he did not sing or dance like Michael Jackson. He is not even the author of the new testament. (Well in a way he is but let's not get carried away 😂). Yet He is more famous then Michael Jackson, Michael Jordan and all of the other dudes in human history together. So for me this is proof that He was something very special in the eyes of his contemporaries. Would you die for a simple philosopher? Why did nobody die for all the greek philosophers then througout 2000 years of history?
I really think there something there. If he was just a teacher why was he killed. And why was were his disciples so willing to die humiliating deaths for his preachings. If jesus was a mythical super hero figure they wouldve probably have him kill the bad guys and ascent to heaven. But instead they have him and his people dying humiliating deaths
@@psydrith1 But you cant dismiss this major fact either, especially the apostles who knew him personally and are the historical witnesses. They were the very first who were prepared to die for him, and they were joyful martyrs. There are thousands of Catholic martyrs recorded in history for two millennia. No parallel with other religions.
JR: "Do you think he [Jesus] is a real person?" Dawkins: "The evidence isn't great ofcourse..." - says the guy who bases his whole worldview on evolution, which according to his naturalistic worldview, has no scientific evidence.
But somehow Evolution is accepted as an empirically verifiable scientific fact by pretty much all scientists on the planet. There are more historians who doubt the existence of Jesus than there are biologists who doubt the validity of Evolution.😂
@@ramigilneas9274 evolution is not emperical science, because it's not testable, observable and repeatable. You clearly don't understand what you believe, but only believe it for the sake of convenience. Even Dawkins admits that Jesus was a real person. The new testamemt is the most scrutinized book and Jesus the most influential person in all of history. And the bible still remains the all time best selling book.
@@calebbenjamin1089 Nope, on the official list of most influential people of all time Jesus is Nr3, behind Mohamed and Newton… and directly after Jesus comes Darwin.😉 The evidence for Evolution is empirically testable, that’s the important part. And the evidence is observable, testable and repeatable. For example sequencing of the genomes of all lifeforms and comparing their ERV insertions is empirical evidence for how different lifeforms are related to each other. It’s always so adorable when scientifically illiterate religious extremists try to tell scientists what is or isn’t science.😂 All historians agree that the historical Jesus was a real person… but they also agree that he had almost nothing in common with the fictional Jesus of the gospels and that we can know almost nothing about what he actually said or did because he doesn’t exist outside of the highly unreliable stories of the gospels.😉
@@SuperDipMonster lol troll harder. In case anybody is curious about evidence outside the Bible, here's a good starting point: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vQKxoBpV2NE.html Also bear in mind that it's dumb to think that Biblical evidence somehow isn't evidence.
@@jaymz1999 you are a simple boy playing games. You have no arguement. History has proven it many times over. I just told you, but you are too silly to understand.
Levi Williams yep 100%, there's even historical documentation of those who were alive around the same time as Jesus and did not believe he was the son of God, but spoke of Him and his existence. This is incredibly enlightening since it's proof of his existence coming from a position of opposition.
Right. He's not just written about in the bible but in history books. People can debate if he's the son of God all they want and that's fair, but he existed. If people don't think Jesus was real they could also say Columbus wasn't real by that same logic
@@chrisjenkins5846 there are many. Do some Research If you are realy Interessted. Its an proven fact that JESUS was alive at that time, No serious Atheist sience will argue that Part. Only worry is about that occult Propaganda of course will lie otherwise but do your own Research. Sorry english isnt my 1st language. GOD Bless you and your Loved ones🙏🏼💚🕊️
tjzini People subscribing to a religion telling their subscribers that the ones not subscribing will be tormented for an eternity should be mocked, ridiculed and confronted every hour of the day until they change their mind or die.
Well, the question of whether he exists or not is moot. This is because multiple sources, including Christian, non-Christian and otherwise atheist historical documents do in fact confirm that Jesus Christ did in fact exist. Also, try to take a look at the traditions and cultures of the times back then. There is so much depth to the story of turning water into wine as to what secular stereotypes make it out to be.
Jesus was a real person, he was from Mexico. He can do landscaping work, carpentry and construction. He stands out front of home depot Monday through Friday to support his 7 kids. Really nice guy, I buy fruit from him off highway 69.
Show me some global warming, 97% didn't happen, oh my, such corruption, science has some accepted lies😖get over it. And if I believe in julius Cesar, u kind of have to believe in Jesus, or testimonies mean nothing. Shhhhh, hear that, it's jesus 👑
There's a book, "The Case for Christ" that breaks down how much stronger the evidence is. Of course, pray and you'll begin to find out the truth for yourself.
I bought the movie a while back, I know it’s not the same, but still breaks it down for anyone who is curious, they will have a lead or starting point on what to research on their own. People actually need to have MORE faith to believe that he didn’t exist with all the evidence provided. The Bible is the only book that has not been revised or rewritten. Science, of course is the study of, is constantly being updated, or revised. Science is a way for people to figure out what God did and learn from it. My first reply ever, take it for what it’s worth. Have a great day.
@@SomeoneClever I agree. It's a really good movie, and a good starting point. I'm actually doing my second reexamination of Christianity from a historical and scientific perspective. Anyway, there's no reason to think Jesus didn't exist. But the question is...what about the resurrection? Of course, no direct evidence can be found for it, but indirect evidence definitely can be. On the other hand, evidence against it can be direct, thanks to archeology. I'll also be examining other things from different angles as well.
@Gamblan 9 exactly! Mike Lawrence notoriuk has emphasized in his various lectures how the brutal enforcement of an earthly Jesus for over 1000 years has caused people even today in 2020 to actually believe all that foolishness literally with few questions asked! The US government in particular along with other governments that advocate different religions like Saudi Arabia etc encourage the literal interpretation of their religions because it keeps people under control!
You have to admire Jesus courage. He was brutally torture and then nailed to a cross and left to die slowly. But they never broke his will. He never change under all that pain.
@@wildmansamurai3663 Richard Dawkins is an evolutionary biologist, and I assume a competent one. However, he is completely out of his depth when it comes to subjects like philosophy, history, and theology. His books are absolutely riddled with logical fallacies and inconsistencies. His statement here about there not being good historical evidence for Jesus is laughable. Almost all historical scholars believe the historical evidence for Jesus is overwhelming. Just look up Bart Ehrman and see what he has to say. Dawkins is a clown.🤡
@@mattcorregan4760 anyone who believes in a magical Sky wizard is delusional. Richard Dawkins is one of the best evolutionary biologists on the planet. Extremely intelligent and he has exposed religion for what it really is. All religious people are delusional at some level, some more than others.
