I became a huge fan of the UFC since last year, and researching more about combat sports and martial arts I recently discovered Glory and DAMN those fights are good, I even started kickboxing myself
I personally like MMA more because of Joe. Because of him I understand what was going on in the ring. Is not just two people fighting. It’s two people displaying their abilities and Joe is the best of breaking fights down.
I never understood the hype about mma until I started to learn karate a couple years ago and now I love watching the technique and stuff especially of the karate and tkd style guys like wonderboy thompson especially
It's all marketing Historically all of the big boxing promotions have been able to push their product into the mainstream media to make boxing the giant sport it is today. Dana white did the same with the UFC more recently. No one has really had the resources or effort to try it with kickboxing yet.
Alex Mallinson well said mate 👍,that’s exactly what I was going to comment on,there just is no money in kickboxing and has never had big promotion,I think ufc was more real when it started why people eventually loved it,and obviously boxing been around donkeys years,but for me Muay Thai is best as real stand up fighting no rules really,
Bellator via Viacom, has the resources and the talent. However, they haven't pushed it like they promised they would. Look how many Bellator Dynamite events we've had.
Kickboxing and MT are both great i did mt for 4 years and Started fighting kickboxing this year i like movement better and not just that Muay Thai scoring is stupid you can trow 60 punches if the other guy Kick you 10 Times hes winning on the scorecard regardless of the effective of it meanwhile kickboxing scores equal the damage that matters and thats way more fair
@@kabukicho3009 and just to show how ignorant you are kickboxing and mt are both elite striking and we can easily compare One to another with diff of scoring, clinches and elbows you cant compare MMA to another martial Art cus its a mix of all so.... You need get something constructed before calling people clown 😘🤡🤡🤡🤓
I don't know what made me think of this just now but I remember when the Gracie's wanted to have a moat with alligators swimming around the Octagon during the fights lol.
Theres definitely some fighters id like to see take a match in a cage with a collapsing floor thats suspended over a tank full of hungry sharks. I call it the James Bond Elimination match 😂
MMA stand up is hype because the strikers have to impose their game while dealing with someone who could be playing an entirely different game. A great man once describe it as "high level problem solving, with dire physical consequences" that man was Tater nutz
I mean to be honest, the ring there is so annoying you literally just hear the sound of their loud steps instead of the kicking and and even the punches. I like what one championship doing though.
I don’t think KB never really took off because the gloves make it Similar to boxing so to the casual viewer it looks like not very good Boxing with a few kicks, Where MMA gloves change the dynamics completely.
Dumb take imo. Its not nothing to do with the gloves, plus a lot of kickboxing has high quality boxing, plus most kickboxing fights have more than a 'few' kicks and its quite obvious to see its a whole stand up style not just boxing. But granted there are some kickboxing fights that are boxing with a few kicks
I'd say kickboxing is more popular but MMA is growing fast where kickboksing is declining. In the Netherlands a lot of people don't even know what MMA is though, where almost anyone will know kickboksing
Depends on where you live in Europe. In The Netherlands (where I live) if you want to watch MMA you have to stay up all night for UFC (ppv ends after 6am), or wait a week and get awful Dutch commentary for Bellator, often even if the event is rather close to home and you can't avoid seeing the results before seeing the event (This goes for both) Only Cage Warriors on fightpass works if I want to watch fights with friends without knowing results. I prefer MMA as a sport, but these things suck all the joy out of watching it.
I hate kickboxing and boxing, because of the breaks. If they would let them work in the clinch a little bit more it would help. Just feels weird to break a fight up and let it start again every 15 seconds or so.
"I don't understand why kickboxing isn't big in the US"...until someone promotes kickboxing like MMA and boxing, it will never be big. That's how it is for any sport. Soccer/Futbol was the same way until the US started to promote it. We have a professional Rugby league in the US, most people have no idea. If more people knew, it would be huge.
@MrBrenman21 Of course MMA is superior. But it has to do with advertising. Like I said, Rugby throughout the world is huge, we have a professional league. Have you ever heard about it? That's my point. It's not being promoted.
One FC is not a big company, doesn't have the funds to acquire all the best kick boxers in the world for exclusive deals, doesn't have a kickboxing division (it's tiny and split between Muay Thai), has no presence in the West and doesn't even have full presence in East Asia. It is heavily focused on South East Asia, and is primarily an MMA promotion that loses a ton of money. They didn't even have a kickboxing champion until this year.
@James Franko Bellator is easily the 2nd most important league. One FC doesn't even make money. Bellator has more named fighters, is in a more profitable market, and has more global presence - One FC is almost entirely restricted to South East Asia with some presence in East Asia, and is not widely watched any where else in the world. They have never even had a card outside of Asia yet. Petroysan is one fighter... Your argument doesn't make sense. You said that Kickboxing cannot become big because they are scattered through out promotions - I said that that can be fixed if a company decided to buy all the kickboxers to exclusive deals....your response is citing One FC - which hasn't done that at all, and is brand new to promoting kickboxing. I'm not following. One FC is hardly the gold standard of what a company can be, and they don't have anywhere near most of the best kickboxers in the world, they promote three different sports on top of that, and are a regional, they have never even held a card in Europe or USA. They are not the most popular combat sport promotion in Philippines, Thailand, Japan, China or Taiwan which are all places they run their promotions in. They are not even a profitable company, and have never made money in their entire companies existence. And yes, if a kickboxing promotion wanted to become popular they would need to break into the American market. Glory is the only company trying, and they do not have the resources, booking, marketing strategy or the right stars to do so. Glory has a bad marketing division and strategy (none of their fights feel big, even among die hard fans). They also need to promote an American star. They don't really have anyone with much personality in general yet. They need more money to pay their fighters better. Their social media presence is archaic and outdated. They wasted a lot of their initial money on older heavy weights who were on the way out in their early days. If Glory did something like Rizin did and paid Floyd Mayweather to fight one of their guys it would have done a lot for them, because at least now people who do not watch kickboxing know who a borderline top ten fighter like Tenshin is. I agree, that the key to a kickboxing promotion becoming popular is carving a niche out in USA, but none of the kickboxing promotions either know how to market to Americans, have any interest in expanding to USA or have the funds to do so. I mean it is very strange that you would mention One FC, because they really do not cater to Americans much at all outside of providing English commentary and they are primarily an MMA promotion. Kickboxing and Glory lacks good booking, to be frank. They could learn a lot from copying Pro Wrestling, which is what the UFC did to become popular. No kickboxing promotion knows how to play the game, and that is why kickboxing is a super niche sport.
I love kickboxing and Muay Thai but I think the reason why it’s not popular here in the us is because people feel it’s a watered down version of fighting and mma. The reason why boxing is still pretty big is because it’s part of our culture with Muhammad Ali, joe Louis, and mike Tyson. Plus a lot of the minorities like the Mexicans and blacks compete in it.
I mean the US had a few good fighters compete in the K1 tournament but never really caught on even in Europe where it was either the Japanese or Dutch fighters everyone loved
We like it cause if both people are good at the exact same style, the match is often a game of tiny inches. Whereas if two people can be just as evenly matched, but with insanely different styles, it’s likely one is gonna get blown out of the water in a super bizarre, interesting way. Way harder to predict.
The idea of kicking isn’t very manly in America society. That’s why boxing have always been popular. MMA also have wrestling and ground and pound. Hand and wrestling is what makes MMA acceptable in the USA. Leg kick’s especially is not the most pleasing thing to watch from most viewers.
I think the only way kickboxing and Muay Thai could make it in America is if the UFC started a similar model to what one FC is doing. I've seen some one FC and I'd still feel they may create a market here in the states but to be honest I only watch one FC mainly because Demetrius Johnson is there and now he's retired. There were a few more people but I'm probably going to have to force myself to watch it get myself used to it I used to think that I was an overall MMA fan, but I think I'm more of UFC fan because I'm not keeping up with any of the MMA promotions outside of the UFC to be honest. I have watched a couple but the more I think about it they've all been majority Demetrius Johnson fights with one FC and I'll take notice to his opponents afterwards maybe check out a few of their fights. I think if the UFC had Muay Thai and kickboxing tournaments occasionally or some kind of a hybrid match I believe it may open up the gates a little bit. But Dana White has this hard on for slap fighting and that's not going anywhere in my opinion apparently, they're making money but everything suggesting that the numbers really aren't there, but Dana is ready to live and die by his slap fight or wherever the heck they call it. I can't for the life of me see how that's a good business decision because it's something that that novelty wears off.
MMA is all skills of more combat disciplines it's total fight game all other are just aspect of fighting combat but here MMA involve every technique skills diciplines
Just show two fights on american television and they will be hooked for ever. Zambidis vs Chahid and Rico Verhoeven vs Jamal Sadik collision 3. MMA with all that silly groundwork cannot compete with that.
idk man in a street fight you never would go on the ground, never. Shoot somebody in the street and your knees gets fucked up. And the ground game is fucked up in UFC too, a lot of stuff arent allowed, or stuff thats are typical when somebody goes on the ground like soccer kicks. PRIDE was more like a streetfight but still you wont shoot when you fighting with a guy in a street
lt really doesn't have a market in the US, either you like boxing or you like MMA. Boxing is a art form of jabbing, punching, hand speed, footwork and spacing. MMA is mixed martial arts. Essentially fighting in a cage to find out who would kill the other. People who like boxing like boxing. People who want fighting likes fighting, theres not really a middle ground.
James Spiegel I’m the anomaly then because I just appreciate martial arts of all kinds. Lately watching some Muay Thai but I’ll also find myself watching wrestling and glory from time to time.
James Spiegel absolutely makes no sense at all lol,it’s a lot easier to throw some punches,try learning how to do spinning kicks and axe kicks these are way harder techniques skill and balance and speed timing needed to perfect them,any kickboxer would smash a boxer up with one leg kick,now reality is,boxing been around years had money promotion and gambling why big,ufc/Mma made it massive because it’s showing who’s martial art is the best and mixing them all together eventually over years now taking over,but kickboxing has no money no good big promotion,so it never has that push to be noticed or great,
James Franko read he’s comment again ???,jabbing hand speed footwork punching ???,yes takes lot skill to be a boxer,but I’m a kickboxer every punch a boxer uses we use,apart from we have kicks knees elbows sweeps clinches way more techniques and skills to learn,plus need better balance and better footwork as longer range got to get in and out,legs way longer then hands,it’s obvious what he’s saying,that Mma guys are talented everywhere which is true they are,and he’s mind boxers great skills,and no need for the middle ground which is kickboxing,which isn’t true at all,nothing better then seeing head kick knockout and they are better strikers then Mma guys and boxers,just no promotion or money in it
Always considered MMA to be the man of all trades but master of none. Why a less than average youtuber can beat MMA stars in Boxing and they wouldnt stand a chance in Thailand. All hey have left is their grappling but rolling around on the ground is not my cup of tea.
Mma is legal in america that's why kickboxing isnt popular here, if it's all we had then yea itd be more popular, and I dont like the blood in mma I actually hate bloody fights theres been few where I've turned it off.
@@nivekmendez6376 because of the history and myths around it, in america we view historic boxers as heroes, jack johnson, sugar ray robinson, ali, Tyson these guys are immortalized in american culture. its also the poor man's sport its cheap and its everywhere. anyone can learn it fast and setting up fights as a starter is easier
People like MMA over kick boxing just cuz its the closest thing to a real fight you can get. most people don't love the idea of a fight going to the ground, but the possibility makes everything more interesting
Kickboxing had its chances, and in the 90's there was a slew of promotion for kickboxing and it never caught on even over boxing, now that MMA has taken hold kickboxing is never gonna make it, MMA is just kickboxing PLUS more. Only reason boxing still does ok is cuz its been established.
They don't move a lot of Muay Thai because it's a sport of Thailand. They just fight that way. If you ever watch a Thailand boxer, it's the same thing. They come forward, stand right in front of you, throw hard shots and block punches. Very little head and foot movement, unlike the USA, where we teach to use the whole ring, constant head movement, utilization of the jab, etc. Over there it's mostly just power punches on offense, and blocking on defense.
@Memento Mori I didn't say anything contrary to what you said. I know Muay Thai is popular in Thailand, lol. Muay Thai (Thai: มวยไทย, RTGS: muai thai, pronounced [mūa̯j tʰāj] (About this soundlisten)) or literally Thai boxing is a combat sport of Thailand that uses stand-up striking along with various clinching techniques.
@Memento Mori I didn't say it was a stand and bang sport. I said in Thailand they fight like it's a stand and bang sport. They do the same thing in boxing. It literally comes down to schools. In the USA they teach more movement and evading, and in Thailand they teach standing and blocking. Obviously there are exceptions in both places. You sent me a video proving your point, but I can do the same thing. Watch this video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RhO-ExaMPTU.html
@@ABCDEF-uz9fd as an example Dutch kickboxing focuses heavily on punch to kickboxing combo's and level changing, while Muay Thai focuses on hard heay roundhouse kicks, checking, knees, and elbows.
Not true. Muay Thai has different styles: Muay Femur (technical counter striker), Muay Matt (pressure fighter; boxing + low kick style), Muay Khao (clinch fighter), Muay Tae (heavy kicker). Muay Femur style fighters move a lot- the entire style is about being a matador with awesome backward footwork, feints, super human reflexes, lots and lots of jabs and teeps. Doumbe's idol Rob Kaman trained with Samart Payakaroon (muay thai legend) and actually idolized him. I have seen lot of Rob Kaman and interviews and in almost every interview he brings up Samart Payakaroon. Eg of Femur fighters: Samart, Saenchai, Lerdsila, Dany Bill, Silapathai, Oley Kiatonaway. If you google pics of the fighters I mentioned you will notice that most of them look physically weak (Femurs are notorious for ignoring strength & conditioning) and give up weight, so they have to have great defense and footwork, otherwise they will get KO'd.
Muy Thai style is too flat footed. Its not a very smart way to fight. I love Muy Thai and first started training in it but like Cedric said its too stationary. Now some guys in Muy Thai are incorporating the footwork of boxing into their styles tho.
@@thedust850 Dutch Kickboxing is more suitible for MMA because it has better movement and footwork due to the use of the bladed stance. Dutch Kickboxing however needs to incorporate the clinch , elbows and sweeps from Muay Thai to be complete in the standup department.
Give us dutchpeople a couple of years and we wil get competitive with you. We he have 2 learn 2 ground game but dutch people are great learners! See you soon
Lmaoo u r talking like u are gonna be one of those few ppl who will transit successfully to mma. Give yourself a break boi you aint seeing anyone. Not everyone in netherland can fight, dont be deluded.
I'd have to disagree with you, kickboxing is all about distance control, range, timing and angles vs Muay Thai fighters would rather block a strike and hold a strong base without being knocked off position or using heavy slips and angles. It's often two fighters trading kick for kick or clinching vs feinting, mixing up punch and kick combos and moving out of range in kickboxing. I've fought in kickboxing and Muay Thai they are different worlds because of the use of elbows, clinch and throws/sweeps. He's not saying Muay Thai guys don't move, but the Thai style is to be planted like a tree and immovable, not sure how they're training you guys at that gym but a lot of these western clubs say they're Muay Thai and they're really just glorified mma and shitty kickboxing, and the tell tale sign is whether there's a Kru there or not leading the striking program. If there's not, chances are they don't the intricacies of the clinch, elbows and real pure Muay Thai
@@np494609 I feel you. I'm quite aware of the differences and what makes Muay Thai itself. All I'm saying is I'm 5'2 120 lbs(on a good day) everyone else in my gym is huge(compared to me) so even tho my coach thought me the traditional stand and trade most weight on back foot style of Muay Thai. I choose to break some rules to adapt Muay Thai so suite me better. Trying to hold your base when I 6'2 190 pound guy with almost no control is throwing bombs at you doesn't always work the best for me. So I use slips more often than an average Thai practitioner and try to attacks from different angles. I watch kickboxing and Thai fighters who more suite my style. Ex. Sam-a or nong, and lerdzilla. I would compare my style as more of a Dutch kickboxing stlye. However I utilize the clinch whenever possible. I don't discredit anything you said but from my eyes Muay Thai is about control, range, timing and angles aswell. These are things about fighting I had to learn and understand to stop getting as ass kicked in the gym...as often lol
