Joel Guy Jr. Trial - Family Testimony & Body Cam Footage 

Laundry room. Not bathroom.

Thankyou very much!!!

Thank you very much we were curious too

Thank God for that. tfs.👍🏻

hopefully put to adoption....or some family member.....is the least to do for the victims

Pity he didn't just try to rob a bank, he would've gotten the same deal.

This is so sad. I adore my family but we aren't in constant communication like these folks. My heart

Yup 3 hots and a cot, no charge !

Imagine when some cell mates who love their Mamas hear how he boiled her head on the stove. He’s down .

Theresa Kierans Kierans thankfully it’s only the rare 1 in a billion or worse that does what this son did. But yeah, even this Mom didn’t deserve it. 😭😭😭

Imagine the person who first had a look under that pot lid? His own mother's head. Think of the cops who saw the chopped up bodies of Lisa and Joel in those blue buckets. Imagine having to clean that up? Even worst the people who closed on that house, and was suppose to move in two weeks after the murders? I can't unimagine that picture in my head.

He's a Savage

Pure hatred!

BTW IDK it’s so disturbing. I don’t think I would have ever closed on that house.

Huh? Wtf?

@Two And he didn't see his parents as a seperate entity from him. As far as he was concerned their only function was to suppprt him. He never thoght of his mother as a sociable person with relationships with other people besides him...

He thought the house was going to burn.

You are so right. He didn’t know what a work environment was like.

Also he didn’t know that his parents texted the sisters everyday in group text.

Makes me think of Nicole Atkinson in the Watts case. Maybe we all learned something from her and will be quicker to raise the alarm when someone’s absence is completely out of character.....

He reminds me of Groo from the Minion movies

😂😂😂😂😂

Ive heard this referred to as 'the thousand yard stare'; common in psychopaths . Another example is Ronnie Kray, the East End Gangster from London amongst several others.

@@Re-bl5sr It's definately not common in psychopaths.🤣 He might have graves disease, a thyroid disorder that causes a persons eyes to do that. Wendy Williams has it & if you watch her show you'll see her do the same thing.

@@caryulmer5578 True, Ive seen this very same look on Wendy a few times - almost like shes about to lapse into a seizure (which I believe she did at one point, right?) I dont mean its a sign/symptom or psychopathy, just that I've noticed it in patients who exhibited symotoms of psychopathy amd paranoid schizophrenia.

I think he's enjoying reliving it

Before 12... a child should be emotionally developed, understand your emotions and their own They should able separate themselves from mum. So not emotionally ready for married but should be separate from mother. Have formed a self..a consciousness.

He deserves the Death Penalty, no use in wasting tax money by keeping this waste of space alive.

for the rest of us......who's " him "

No death penalty for this monster?

Joel jr would be just as broken up if someone else had done this. He acts like he’s just at the local theatre watching the play he wrote.

And looking at their own blood sitting there stone cold

Grief-stricken and heartbroken 💔

@Carol Coppell imagine he doesn't care. He was so done for him to commit such a crime.

@@tehallanaz Yes I'm heartbroken too,those poor people ☹️.Poor family members.💔.What the heck got into him!?!

Omg I thought so too. Everything about him is creepy. In one of the videos he looked into the camera and smiled it was so weird and ewww

CalmCamilleMakes they all weirdly do. It’s trippy

So true....he is almost literally a male Jodi Arias, with the compulsive weird behavior like the water drinking, the smug and egotistical look on their faces, the supremely narcissistic confidence, the way everyone testified about how odd their behavior is and everyone sees it but them....so many things ....and I would pay good money to watch Jodi Arias have to wear a plastic face shield for the entire 5 month long trial. I believe that would probably embarrass her more then the infamous recording of the May phone call.....( again, my making fun of JG jr. and and Jodi Arias wearing masks or face shields is ONLY because of their being horrid monsters, and no one else looks weird or funny. I completely support wearing Masks and shields!).

Got that right!

He got 2 Plans: Plan A: killing parents get the money, never need to work. Plan B: If he gets caught, prison carry him with free food and shelter, never need to work :O

It's wild if you think about it. You never know when it's your time...

my only hope is that both the father and mom were telling him how ungrateful he is while he stabbed them

amen

No such thing as a soul, but they're dead, so... yeah, that's pretty much as close to "peace" as one can ever get.

@@dawnbreaker2912 how do you know?

@@christopherhennessey8403 cos it’s a man made up word 🤦‍♂️

@@dawnbreaker2912 you don't have to do that, you know. Let people believe in what they want to believe in.

So true!

I read somewhere they needed therapy after...I can't even imagine...

@@Ana-hy5nh I think I'm gonna need therapy too after this.

As hard as it must have been for the police, I'm glad they found them rather than one of the daughters going there to check on them & finding what happened.

@@caryulmer5578 I never thought about it like that, that's so true... Thank God for those officers ❤

Pamie Miller LOL!

Absolutely.

ha ha omg!!.... Congratulations you have won my best comment award for today! lol

Ha, he won't like that... he thinks he's 'The Cats Whiskers'

An upside down cream cheese bowling pin.

I thought that too 😢

I mean it's hot, starving and needs water so...

I think it most certainly was. poor, poor dog x

💔

Of COURSE the poor baby is barking in grief!! Hes hot, starving, thirsty, and scared!! 😢😢😢🐾🐾😔💔

That waste of air and water destroyed his entire family . The girls loved their mom and dad .

Tobi Walker I love the term stinkpot. I use it daily 😜

@Nicole Jessica the house sold august 2018 for $230,000

@Nicole Jessica I'd imagine there will be a lot of drive bys in the future as well...

@Nicole Jessica I meant gawkers.... like what happened to amityville house or the watts house... driving by, taking pictures, making videos... stuff like that

Maybe thats y he did it tho maybe he didnt get that from his father

Sickening i know but anything can cause a mental breakdown like this

@@lyzzylabelle doesn’t seem like a mental breakdown or a ‘snap’ to me. Seems more like a continuing downward spiral from already low points beginning with self isolation in childhood. By all accounts, his sisters who have lived with his parents - his dad all their lives and his mother from toddler ages - lost their lives are loving and close. Definitely a him issue here it looks like

I agree. Also when Joel Jr. had the ball thrown to him, he most likely never knew he supposed to catch it.

thank goodness the dog lived and was rescued

@@mandyrain1437 Who has the dog do you know?

He seems proud of what he done smirking. It even seems that he took small naps at the trial., wow smdh

Creepy red eyes

Hes one sick evil dude

With those little smirks...🤢🤮

Yeah is he even human? Absolutely no emotion 😐

It says a lot about what kind of woman she was that her step-daughters felt so much love towards her. The whole case is beyond comprehension

If they were such great parents why couldnt this son get it together and move out? Plus why don't the women understand their single mom was poor because their dad was not supporting her with enough money so she could give them enough to eat etc. This story really doesn't make all that much sense. The whole house looks staged to me.

@@Cdray24 that's a pretty judgmental opinion to hold when you know nothing about their mother or their relationship with her.

Alyssa Clingan are you saying that you do know something about their relationship. I am going on the statements she made in court. Stating the facts as they were presented in this court.

@@Cdray24 staged in what way?

drama queen

And I think the use of the word “ trying” is even a stretch lol.....he doesn’t have to try.

He is actually acting like "yes I did it" He will be provided for in jail for free. This is someone who has not worked and killed to inherit stuff. Trust me, he feels like he won.

Who you trynna get crazy wit ese? Don't u know i'm locooooo

That's his charm!

That visor is the icing on the cake

Her grief literally took the breath out of her sometimes 😭

I'm sure she destroyed those toys her kids recieved from that monster

She was so genuine. As a teacher, amongst a few other apologies while talking, she apologized for using a double negative.

A beautiful honest family that the monster destroyed.

She seemed to be on the stand the longest. She kept it together until she saw a picture. After that she seemed to be reliving the nightmare all over again. I do so hope that her and the rest of the family are able to seek therapy, as well as the officers and anyone who had to be involved.

Same❤

He's also calling out because he hears humans. He wants help. I can't imagine how it was to be in that 93 degree temperature for 2 days. Did he even have any water?

Let's hope he does not own a dogl

@@my2centstoo I doubt it. He had planned to kill the dog too. Unlikely he gave him water😭

@@my2centstoo No water.

@@NY-152 Yes, I later saw that the detective had said that. Awful.

Or that Sister with her Son's doing laundry!

@@Say789 her dryer had broke that morning so she brought her laundry, I can understand that.

He probably would have if he could.

He killed his parents one at a time by surprising them. He probably couldn't take down his whole family at once. Hes a coward who stabbed both his parents to death in the back.

True, but he could only manipulate his parents that well...

He wrote in his notes that he planned to kill the dog. I’m glad he was stopped before more ppl could be killed. So sad these two had to lose their lives.

Broke my heart as well.

That hurt me too.

@@ec-3po did they find the dog, and was it alive after the heat up there?

@@lydiag6245 If the dog was dead you would have heard about it here because ppl would be so upset..Fortunately. the dog was found alive when the detectives searched the house and found the bodies of the couple.

He looks so wierd😱

are you a mind reader? I see this comment on every one of these videos about this case. You folks literally have no idea what's going on in his mind.

He probably figures, “that’s what they get for cutting me off.” Which is the why he chopped his mother’s head off, she’s the one that told him, no more money.

@@alcoholya I agree. So far I have not noticed a smirk! They got me looking for it. He’s definitely demonic and disturbed though!

Makia Pierson - in the Prosecution's opening statement, he's trying to hold back laughter when she describes a "diabolical stew."

thanks hun

Ikr .. probably thought maybe someone sick or in the hospital but never this

@@harmonymomentofbeing5753 Our First Responders, especially Police Officers and Firefighters see so much horror and heartbreaking things. I can't even imagine what they see. 🙏💔

Pam K imagine every time they see a pot boiling in the stove that they didn’t start ... can’t Unsee that

PTSD just like soldiers

Why do they have to say "reddish brown staining" and not blood when it's clear that it is blood?

And having to what this revolting guy just there stone faced. It’s disgraceful disgusting vile. 🤢🤢

I am not being facetious, only through God's love knowing they will be together one day.

Yeah. He was switched with Satan's spawn.

Freak of nature. Devil's spawn

My thoughts exactly I wondered if he was adopted but it sounded like he was actually there's but yikes! That kid is creepy!

Zw

He actually does look like the mom remember his sister's have a different mom. But his mom Lisa had the Irish red hair he did too in his mug shots

He had plans to also kill the dog he had written down in his paper work !

Yes. Poor baby.

💔💔😭

Law enforcement should have let the poor dog out.😟

Utterly broke my heart 💔 😔

I know. I was thinking the same thing. They didn't even have on bullet proof vests. The cop in a suit going up the stairs first, I thought someone could pop out the bedroom door and easily shoot at him and possibly kill him. I could never go into a place not knowing. And that's why I'm not a cop.

They get enough credit.

Min. Sec. In clip

lookie what we have here That’s literally their job.

People don't realize if cops are defunded,cases like this will go unsolved.

Agree!

Agreed. It's also a red flag that parents would still be financially supporting someone at his age unless there was a reason they were concerned he couldn't or wouldn't do it successfully on his own. I'm not critisizing this poor family, just wondering why they didn't question his oddness in a more serious way.

@@caryulmer5578 Yes. I'm very curious to know if they had had conversations before about him being more independent. It didn't seem that they thought he was mentally handicapped, so I wonder what they thought? He just seems so strange during the trial. He had to be odd in his every day life. I wonder if he had some type of diagnosis when he was in school.

He wasn't brought up correctly, he wasn't treated right, and so that's how he responded. Family dysfunctions sometimes gets channeled through one member of the family - and what it creates can be this.

@@antiochiaadtaurum3786 I'm sure they did the best they could. They probably though he was shy or liked to be alone. Hindsight is always 20/20. Maybe he was diagnosed with something that usually does not lead to violent behavior. What would you suggest they have done since it seems they loved him very much.

@@gigieyre The amount of things that go unseen in a family is staggering. That's really all I can say. Everyone does the best they can. That's the strange thing. Everyone.

And truly they loved it so much, they wouldve cared that people cared! If that made sense!

I agree

Exactly. I'll never understand people who value animals less than humans.

@@katwebbxo people are superior to animals.

@@annameadows397, loved him…not it!

Same here , absolutely mind bending

I'm less than 15 minutes in. I hope I don't stay glued to this cos I haven't got the time! We don't have streams like this in the UK.

bhamacuk I started “watching” more like listening last night while folding laundry and before I knew it 8pm turned into 2am. I’m so engrossed in this case.

I just can’t believe how anyone could do what this monster 👺did to anyone let alone his own parents I just will never understand Horrible

Port in Ms. Noki

Can you put a timestamp of when it happened

At about 1:17:00. They go up the stairs and you will see.

*Guy

i was thinking this

Hopefully they hadn’t closed yet. That’s a great reason to cancel a contract !

@@chrissystepford2263well it was sold in 2018 and currently off market

I think it sold for 2 something, about half the going rate for a home in that neighborhood. I saw it was *pending* then up for sale again so I think the original buyers backed out. Its on Zillow. I live in a tiny hamlet where we have 2 *murder houses* but the crimes took place in the 1920s, both homes are still inhabited. Very sad stuff.

That is jumping the gun for sure. How can you be certain he did it if you didn't even hear the whole case? That is just an awful comment. What if you were accused of something this horrific but you didnt do it. Would you deserve a trial even though the public already assumes you are guilty?

@@Cdray24 shut up you just like to argue

I say turn the family loose on him and let them take care of him....😡🤬

@@fightfannerd2078 You're right, that's just another troll who is desperate for attention. Would be a good mate for Joel jr.

So we are just going to go with condemning on suspicion now? This is America, we should constantly be striving for fair trials for all. Image of you were framed for this and someone said that to you. It's not just about the suspect. It's about truth and proof. It's actually pretty scary to me to hear that not everyone feels the same.

grant amato

They made that monster! No one told them to take a mortgageon their house to pay for his classes or for her to continue to work to pay his rent! Maybe if they taught him how to be self sufficient and the importance of it as a kid, he wouldn't have been so dependent upon them as an adult. Give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, you feed him for a lifetime. Instead, they doted upon their only child and created a lazy, dependent, entitled monster! I'm not saying what he did was right. The same thing happened with the Menendez brothers. They grew up doted upon and was afforded a lifestyle unlike normal kids. Once their parents decided to put their feet down and teach their sons a lesson, those boys plotted a scheme and killed their parents. Why? Because they were afraid they would have to fend for themselves and mad that the money tree was being taken away! They felt their parents were worth more dead than alive. A little bit of information for you: Don't wait til your kids are grown to try and teach them life lessons. You should start doing that when they are small. Another thing, stop trying to give your kids the freaking world, you will only ruin them because they will grow up believing everyone should spoil them!

Marshanna Johnson That is all wonderful for normal kids,

@@marshannajohnson8584 that are exactly my thoughts on this case. they somehow raised their son to be dependent and entitled, and he felt they owed him money/home/everything else. why on earth would you pay your adult’s son rent, if he is of physical and mental capacity to work?! no one deserves what happened to this poor family, but it seems like their love for their son was not quite healthy either. he probably felt quite resentful towards them as well, in order to plan and execute such a gruesome crime. a horrible, tragic case and i feel for thise poor sisters ☹️

Yea no doubt! He is nothing like any of them

I know quick my owners are hurt and I’m scared poor thing hope one of the girls adopted him.

@@conniethomas4753 wonder what happened to the poor doggie so heartbreaking he was so loved

Omg right it s so so sad.. wonder where the dog is ..

@@Ariesstar29, someone posted that he was adopted, thank God!

@@kathyroach9344 thats amazing.. my sister also has a dog who was in a abusive home. And the dog is soooo happy for years and years❤️ thank you for youre respong

It's beyond me how someone can be so depraved.

An Evil spoiled brat that wanted it all.

Evil and entitlement. I love and respect my parents so much....I couldn't even imagine speaking to them in a disrespectful way 😥

one word. EVIL

SusieQ he was always a very evil sick person.

Yep. I was just watching the body cam and he actually whispers about it being hot in there.

That guy who abducted and killed women had a head boiling and all the heat up high. Three women survived. I don't remember his name but it's horrible.

yes :( such a terrible situation

Lol...its like everywhere!

He must not have ever watched Dexter.

I think he was hoping it would catch on fire during the head boiling process

No, he was entirely motivated by greed. He had no human emotion. He’s a psychopath. And psychopaths can’t be helped by therapy. They’re missing connections in their brains and they don’t think there’s anything wrong with them. He didn’t hate them. He wanted their money. Period.

Diane Taylor : psychopath can actually heal that to a large extent with tons of rich and motherly love in the early months and years.

@@MoneyStrategiesSOULutions It’s not proven though experiments are ongoing. So far, it looks like intervention only makes them better at hiding their true selves and appearing to be more “normal”.

All the family photos in the office and round the house

@@Mrs.TJTaylor While I agree he was motivated by greed, I have to say the parents probably should not cut him off at this age. They should have cut him off way earlier. There’s a Jewish doctor told my mom when I was a child, “if you cannot provide (insert whatever it is money or love) to this child on constant bases, then don’t constantly provide in the first place.” That is the key. The parents keep enabling him to live in their house, be weird, be mooching off of them. And then trying it cut him completely out because they cannot provide any longer. I understand they love him, but that is probably not express in an healthy way. If you keep providing and stop it? It became your fault. “Normal” people would be grateful and walk away, he ain’t “normal” or even close to be that. And, I think we are all weird and different in some way, so I’m not going to judge what is being “normal” because I don’t know what “normal” really is. I am not standing on any side, definitely not this killer’s side. Just saying how I see it though...

That’s the one thing I wish we could unsee the stuff we see I’ve been a medic since 1985. I want that flashy thing they use in MIB to erase some things

nurses and doctors....

It must indeed have been terribly distressing. I believe the police who responded to the scene received counselling.

Yes they do. Even if they don't come across this horror show imagine the bloody car wrecks, dismemberment they have to witness there. People don't realize that and wonder why police are always on such high alert that their lives are at risk. Your average person can't think two feet in front of them much less empathize with what these first responders even fire fighters and paramedics go through

He's actually worse at least Dahmer didn't kill his parents

No such thing as evil. Calling people evil suggests that's just how they are. They're evil, they can't help it. That's not the case. Mental illness, however, is often very real and very disturbing. Family relationship being broken are also very real and can be extremely disturbing. The darkest, cruelest parts of human nature are still parts of human nature. To dismiss them as evil removes our ability to learn about them or understand and prevent them. What police need is better mental healthcare and counseling to cope with these situations.

@@Gilliebeany exactly what do u think evil means then!? No pun intended, really.

Laurel he didn't live with his parents for some time, he was living in another city attending college - for about 6 years at least - courtesy of his parents $, which they were soon cutting off due to them retiring - which is why he killed them

Or they were ashamed of him

Kirsten C Duh. I watched the first day of trial too, thanks. I’m talking about his entire life. The family members stated that “he was always in his room.” They barely knew him. Maybe you missed that part.

@@juniemoon1528 Unfortunately, you can't easily drag a teenage boy out of his room if he wants to be in there. If you haven't tried it, give it a shot. I wish you luck.

Break From The Herd Sounds to me like it started long before his teenage years. They had no relationship with him, he never spoke to them, they said. And yes, I know the struggles of trying to work with a teenager. And I’ve also seen first hand the damage caused by letting a child isolate himself. It’s mental illness and needs to be addressed, or else this can happen.

Amen

🙏 🙏 🙏

Wendy Smith amen 🙏🇮🇪

Such a lovely comment 🙏🕊🙏🕊

Amen

I agree. She's definitely showing all the signs of trauma. I can write a book about my experience but in short I have been on the stand and reliving it in front of an audience is brutal. These monsters need to be exterminated 💯

I know and doing such a good job for them.

I respect her strength so much, and she paid attention to all the weird things that happened that Thanksgiving which helped the case in the end too

God bless her may Jesus give her strength

She didn't have to say all that stuff about her single mom though.

Well said.

He is classified as a CLUSTER B personality. Very little help unless they are in therapy on a weekly basis and medications.

Just the way he calmly sits there looking all around with the non caring, unconcerned look on his face gives me total creeps. That is truly a monster. 👿👿👿👿👿😤😤😤

He was definitely born a wrong one. He wouldn't even interact with his sisters when he was a little kid. He was never normal but his parents completely accepted him as he was and did everything they could to help him in life

@@uyoebyik Yes, his parents certainly thought they were doing everything they could to help him. But we see the horrific, tragic end result of their over indulgent parenting. There can be little doubt their son needed psychiatric help from a young age to prepare him to live an independent life as a well balanced adult, but didn't get it. We've seen many parental murder cases like this - devoted parents who loved their dysfunctional child unconditionally and believed the best way to raise him was to pretend there was nothing amiss with him. But burying their head in the sand and living in denial - in effect rewarding the child's unpleasant and anti social behaviour - was not the right course of action. Facing facts and acknowledging they had conceived a child who was socially 'off', withdrawn, lacking in empathy and affection, possibly even displaying nasty behavioural issues (eg to do with toileting or cruelty to animals/other children), would have given him a chance to change. But by choosing tolerance and denial, they did him, and ultimately themselves, no favours at all. Approaching 30, Joel Guy Jr had never had so much as a Saturday job to earn pocket money. He lived on parental hand outs his entire life. His 'reason' for never working? He was in higher education, and preparing to become a cosmetic surgeon. It seems a laughable notion that the spooky, boggle-eyed eccentric would ever actually set up in practice, dealing face to face with patients - and winning their trust. This was clearly a fantasy shared by Joel Jr and his parents (I doubt his three half-sisters were ever convinced by his supposed career plan). In 2016 the time had long passed for Joel Jr to gain the necessary medical qualifications. But even putting aide his academic shortcomings, a man as warped as him could not possibly hope to succeed in such a respected and high profile role. We saw in court how strange and unnerving he was - who would entrust their face to him for a cosmetic surgery procedure? Lisa Guy went into full time work purely to give her entire salary to her one biological child, to pay his fees for medical school, pay his rent, car, petrol, food, utilities and every other adult expense he had. He clearly had no intention of even working weekends as a waiter, or any of the other multiple, part time work students typically undertake to support themselves. Why would he - his mother bankrolled him so generously, he had no need to work. And yet money aside, these youthful part-time jobs give young people invaluable early social interaction with the outside world, which helps mould them into well socialised adults. It would surely have been a positive experience for Joel Jr to get out into the world and interact with other people - work colleagues, bosses and perhaps the public. This is a rites of passage for most of us, and we look back on those first jobs we did in our teens and twenties as valuable learning curves that helped us to mature. Were Lisa and Joel actually trying to protect their son from the outside world, by ensuring he didn't need to work? Were they actually well aware of his social awkwardness, and his strange, loner profile (he was so anti social, he did't even mix with his own family on holidays like Thanksgiving, choosing instead to lock himself away in his bedroom). If his mom and dad thought they were protecting Joel Jr by mollycoddling him and keeping him dependent on them throughout his twenties, sadly they couldn't have been more wrong Lisa's ongoing, full-time financial support of her adult son is extreme by any standard. The Guys were not a wealthy couple, but a hard working one. Everything they owned, they had worked for - there were no handouts or free rides for them. Yet they ensured their only biological child together lived a life that was nothing but one endless free ride! I wonder if Lisa's husband, Joel's father, ever questioned the fairness or wisdom of her working full time purely to keep their grown son draining their resources, years past his childhood? Parental murders carried out by Chandler Halderson, Grant Amato, Dellen Millard and other spoiled sons, share striking similarities. An over indulgent mother and an emotionally disconnected father feature in all. And in each case, the killer's parents wilfully refused to acknowledge there was anything amiss with their child. Instead of expecting good behaviour they threw money and love at the problem - helping to create entitled, arrogant monsters. Because while parents might love their children unconditionally, the outside world does not. The good things of life - relationships, a career, a home, hobbies and everything else, won't be handed to your kids on a plate. They will have to work hard to achieve them. Society owes them nothing! But with serious personality disorders left unacknowledged, unidentified and untreated throughout childhood and into their twenties when they killed, these young men were on a fast track to homicide. And their parents must be allocated their share of blame for that. They failed to prepare their warped sons for the real world, by failing to give them the tools to become independent, well adjusted members of society who could give something back. Hindsight's a wonderful thing of course and we don't know much at all about these killers' childhoods. But what we do know points to dysfunctional behaviour, and parents who looked the other way and pretended there was nothing wrong with their offspring - allowing a ticking time bomb of resentment and rage to develop, that would one day explode in sickening violence.

I ran over a vulture on I95 years back I was traumatized and didn’t speak for hours and cried the rest of my 3 hour drive.

@@griselvazquez9378 Unfortunately for me I was on I95 in Florida heading back home. I think I finally gave up to rest in NC, still took me another 5hours to get to my area of Virginia

They need to donate his brain to science. Let them figure out how these physopaths minds work.

So sorry for your loss :( I lost both grandparents at a young age and I wish I could speak to them one more day . Life is truly unfair .

I said something very similar in my comment, I miss my parents dearly and not because they were perfect but because they were the people who gave me life who raised me, ya know?

It seems like his sisters didn’t deal with jr very much I think he lived in a different state

Both

My heart goes out to the beautiful family relatives. May they find Peace in their lives. Son will get his non- peace for life. He will still live for FREE.

Good!

So true! I don't know why people dont think of consequences before doing dumb stuff .

V Eileen Joel is batshit crazy.

Yay!!! Make him the woman of the joint.

I hope so!

@ Voice of Reason - truly despicable act that the mind cannot comprehend.

We had a killer here in the UK that did that.

wonder what it smells like ?

@@harletterider9658 pretty disgusting, you ever smelt tripe being boiled?

@@karensanders8061 ..no, i have smelt liver & onions and that's awful.

It could be.

No past criminal history

Probably not human before. He was too sloppy , but i have a feeling in his history he killed animals either known by parents or not . Sociopaths usually start with small animals and evolve. His lack of empathy, the way he enjoys the images at the scene lead towards a strong case of the guy being a antisocial sociopath.

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My son is a step dad to five wonderful people and birth dad to two, plus a step grandfather of three. 💖 It is a very special thing and I love that we have a large family. 🌿😁

Peace 66 I wonder if the court has a generic suit for all defendants to wear. The kind that just has Velcro on the back with a built in shirt and tie to just slip in to. 🤔

The very people that would have provided him that nice suit, he slaughtered. He deserves the worst punishment they can offer him. This is beyond sad. Praying for this family!

Usually their lawyer will give them one of their own suits or pick something up at a discount or charity shop. The defendant changes out of their jailhouse clothes when they get to the courthouse. I learned this from the Jodi Arias trial.

How do you dress a turtle?

too big..prolly borrowed or his dad's

Wondering why he retired after being assigned his court-appointed atty and still wants to defend him

I agree, how can the defense work for him. So skeevy.

yes and what possible defense can they have here? he did it in his sleep? idk?

That's probably why the defense attorney didn't cross examine sisters and Sr. sister.

Terry Ward I understand what you mean

Not having friends doesn't mean anything. I would understand if he asked to be acknowledge by the family but he didn't. Just because you feel withdrawn by your family , doesn't mean you aren't. He should of talked about wanting to feel part of the family. I have no sympathy for someone who could of made change for themselves

Go Tigers.

Not having friends or few friends doesn’t mean you will do this sort of crime. Lots of people outthere with social anxiety or social phobia but they’re perfectly sane in every other way, they’d never hurt a fly . This guy is a sociopath and I’m sure signs of his odd behaviour would have been present in him as a child . As an adult he would have done well to hide it . He would have killed an individual or several sooner or later even if it wasn’t his parents . Is that what sociopaths and psychopaths eventually do?

So Joel was going to kill the dog as well (written in his notebook) then crossed it out. But how would he explain that the dog was with him (if he intended to keep it). His whole plan was a giant faux pas. He just didn't have any idea that he would not be able to deal with such a mess after doing the deed. It seems he was clueless. None if it makes any sense. He is so weird and looks almost baffled that he is even on trial.

That was my thought as well .... this couldn't have been his first time !

shows their genuine grief and disbelief that they're gone :( so sad.

Completely breaks my heart. They are so genuine and there is no doubt.

Because life doesn't end with death. Her father/step mother ARE alive, probably helping them cope. I feel my grandma's presence often in times of trouble. Heaven is not far away.

My Dad passed a year ago this month from natural causes at 88 and I still talk like he is here, I am in disbelief daily. I can't imagine how they get up every day or how you go to bed knowing this is how you lost your parents. I pray for them

ModestRHottest this is beautiful

👋👋 America here💗 Tennessee💗

@Donna Gaynelle Palk Turner .....hey there neighbor! I’m watching this case from here in Antrim! ☘️

I'm from Washington State and embarrassed he's an American. So humiliating.

@@lainalopez3212 Hey👋 Waverly here💗

@Donna Gaynelle Palk Turner Bangor is such a lovely area....very unlike Antrim. I moved here 22yrs ago from CA where I was born and raised...life’s an adventure even when you don’t see it coming 🥴....

You would be surprised Narcissist adults children's do that

@@littlesoul9618 Wow, did you blame the victims for the gruesome murders they suffered ?

@@hopsta5628 Absolutely no I didn't blame the victim I just said you would be surprised how many ungrateful adult children can turn on their parents

The rest is probably field work.

I've wondered that too but more research into this case (I'm from just a couple hours from where it happened so it was all over our news non stop), I found out he was highly intelligent. When first hearing the story and how he'd been in college for 10 years but had never had a job, I thought he must've been dumb as a coal bucket. But he was in programs and special schools from a pretty young age for the gifted and talented. My opinion is they ignored his quirks because he was **so** intelligent....they likely thought he was a full blown genius...that he was emotionally immature and just hugely different from 'normal' people. The Guys weren't stupid and all of their other children were disciplined and ended up being well-adjusted, hard working, happy adults. I really feel like they didn't realize it was a problem and was why they'd done so much for him. They had to have felt like he was going to do major and amazing things with his life one day. So freakin' sad.

Agree. A few weird behaviors.

@@jewels3596 The old saying goes "genius and insanity often live right next door to each other." Where he may have a very high IQ, his emotional intelligence can be extremely low. So you get someone smart and capable in the academic sense, who plans ahead. But there are huge gaps in there where there should be a sense of morality, common sense, planning for the fact his parents would struggle and fight back so it was likely he'd be injured.

Demon possessed

@@jewels3596 The extremely intelligent walk a tightrope between genius and madness

@@kdotwilly7935 actually, in Jr's to-do list, he wrote, "kill the dog later."

@@buyerbware25 Really??? 😂 What a sicko!!!!

@@almondeyez_80 Indeed. His list was pretty long, in his own handwriting, and he left it where investigators could find it easily.

I was curious how Jr. left the house while the stove was on and the pot was boiling. It would run out of water, cause a fire, and burn down the house.

@@perfectstudents8361 He was planning on coming back to flush what was left of the bodies down the toilet after dissolving them in acid but the mothers work called the police for a welfare check when she didn't show up for work that day.