@hos thats true. But maybe if johan talks about his family, his dead dad, and the woman who loves him more than he loves himself. Maybe that would work.
Unlike most of villians, Johan don't feel any hapiness, pride or sadness for all what he did. He can find the darkest side of humans which they hide behind lies to others or themselves, fear and anger like it's nothing. Human lifes has no cost, even his. And this point of view Johan transport to every person he encounters. If he lives, game continue. If he died, he won. That's why Johan so untouchable and terryfying
Or more like he didn’t care to win or to lose. He just walks this planet, observing the world around him and disagreeing with all of its aspects, Good and Evil alike (viewing both as childish and pointless concepts), while appreciating only the aspects that he feels are worth his time or have taken notice. Johan dosen’t even care what he believes in, cause he dosen’t bother with anything relating to anything relating to ideology or politics. If anything, any he hurts, there is never a good reason, save he dosen’t like anybody, even anybody who agrees with him, cause Johan never agreed with anyone.
Technically that's not how it works, he only wins if he does succeed on he's goals, in the series he burned an area or killed a certain people, he won because it was already too late, he already killed them and even if he died it all doesn't matter, he has already *won* similar to Thanos when he turned everyone to dust, killing him became less significant
because he is a woman, anna is one of his identities, he considers his sister as a part of himself, he tells her “i am you and you are me” in truth johan doesnt even think of himself as a human, he considers himself a nameless monster.
@@faa1412 well I myself haven't watched the entire dub version of monster,only a few scenes and episodes and they were great! I have only watched the entire show in sub. But now that you have said so,I will consider to try it in French dub 👍
About Johan's question The difference between little Anna and Johan is even more obvious in English dub as their voices are completely different. Twins may look the same, but female and male twins don't have identical voices even before hitting puberty and they can be distinguished from each other by the way they speak So, their mother chose Anna in purpose, knowing who is who
I’ve also noticed women can usually tell way better than men when a man is dressed as a woman. The older woman who Johan visited in the hospital knew he was a man.
They both were pretending to be girls, in the flashback they both have the same voice but as their mother, it made sense she’s send the boy rather than the girl, since around that time they were deemed stronger emotionally and could cope easier
@@ssjkidgoku Yeah I guess I wrote that wrong. Anna wasn’t pretending to be a girl, but they were both dressed as a stereotype girl, that’s what I meant. They were both cosplaying stereotype little girls.
Technically, Johan can be killed by the death note. even if he did not stick by this name and changed his name time and time again, his face is known and the name that was given to him as a child is what would kill him
The interaction between Johan and Anna from 1:24:44 all the way to 1:31:35 has to be one of most well-done scenes in fiction. Animated, adapted and voiced to perfection in both the sub and dub.
There are few times Johan cries, and each of those times- they're genuine. They weren't done out of manipulation, they weren't even necessary for manipulation, but out of genuine sadness. When he cries for Carl, it was actual empathy. And honestly when he asked to hold onto the rabbit's foot, I really thought he was going to pass himself off as the long lost son, so him actually helping reunite them instead threw me for a loop. Yeah it was just so he could have a closer position and more trust, but it genuinely was such an emotional moment-
I appreciate the soft and gentle tone of the dub VA because I don't believe that the deeper voice of the sub VA would be able to imitate a womans voice perfectly
@lina31415 are we listening to the same voice? Darker and deeper? Where? His voice sounds so gentle it's actually creepy. But it's definitely not dark OR deep
@@zvezdoblyat i said the dub's voice is darker and deeper than the sub's voice. i didn't say the dub's voice is dark and deep. dub's voice sounds creepy not because it's too gentle, but because it just has that creepy i-am-a-serial-killer quality to it. Johan's voice is not supposed to sound creepy, it's supposed to be pure and unassuming, like in the sub
@@lina31415 his voice only sounds creepy because you know he's the villain. When he's talking to unassuming people, he sounds like a regular guy with a sweet voice. Which is exactly what I'd expect from a character like that. Plus, I think the sub VA has a voice that's way too deep to be faking a female voice in the episodes where he pretends to be Nina
@@zvezdoblyat if that were the case, then the japanese voice would also sound creepy to me, since i know he's the villain, no? but it doesn't. let's agree to disagree. it's all just preference anyway. maybe our ears work differently lol
What makes johan terrifying is that he makes the joker, light, dr. lector, and makima look sane and he always has a calm demeanor to us and the characters he’s truly evil not broken
The devil isn't a red with a large fork and a five horns sticking out in his head.. The devil can be beautiful For he is a fallen angel And he used to be gods favourite
Johan's questionat the end, man... "Do you go to the Cloud District very often? Or have you? Well? Which is it? Have you been there or not...?" Sent CHILLS down my spine... (Of course Tenma hasn't)
Thank you very much for the English dub so that people like me don't have to read subtitles plus I love them English version much better than the French and Japanese version
@@cheek9282 i think they're doing one now. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-AxxdXJT8qUA.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6x5gWX18RYw.html
@@dennislima2757 i don't usually watch dubbed anime, but for this one I did. it just feels strange to watch bunch of blond german characters speaking Japanese. It kinda ruins the experience
Johan, like Dark Knight’s Joker, might not have won the battle. But in the end he won the argument. His final story, his final question, his final statement the righteous Doctor Temma could not counter.
No, he has lost the ‘argument’ where tenma refusing to kill him broke his ideology of the transformation of a monster through choosing one life or the another; reinforced by his trauma of his mother choosing him over his sister to keep. It also does’t help that the drunk who shot him still has his son as comfort where being alone wasn’t written in his path. Nina also came on top by forgiving her brother where she let goes of her hatred and continues with her studies and ambition. Both tenma and Nina have prevented becoming isolated monsters refusing to kill and burden the cycle thus is the point of Johan’s theory being disproven where people can stop this horrendous transformation. Plus, Grimmer’s whole character is the biggest counter point to Johan where in the end, his death was not equal to others where he found peace and relieving sadness that was never experienced breaking his influences and ties from kinderheim. Unlike with Roberto’s death, it was empty and served to assist Johan who only helps him due to relieving the memory of hot cocoa from kinderheim; failing to deal with the trauma from the orphanage and where all his destiny is written for is to drive Tenma to reach the scenery where he cannot whilst Grimmer was able to remember his dead son thus reaching his scenery.
@@ghostknight4147 Breaking Temma’s morality and turning Nina into the “Monster” was his goal in his battle against them. Which I am not arguing he failed in. But in that final scene, the core rationing behind his mad nihilism was not proved to be untrue. Also, on the subject of Tenma. During the final confrontation between the two, I would argue the doctor would have pulled the trigger if it were for that drunken father. Nothing to do with him. That is what I meant by Johan listing the battle, but winning the argument.
Imo Johan isn’t wrong in his nihilism but the pernicious darkness he carries isn’t universal. Like the series has shown, oftentimes people don’t *really* wish to die and severely lack a purpose to keep them afloat, but otherwise it’s a human tendency to survive & thrive. It’s true that Dr. Tenma had virtually no choice but to kill, and that life isn’t black and white where everyone can be an entirely ethical person simply because they want to be. But aknowledgement of that fact alone doesn’t automatically turn someone into a cynical monster, that’s what I gathered from when Nina said “your actions then and now, are both valid” in reference to Dr. Tenma’s pursuit to kill and final effort to save Johan in the penultimate episode.
I watched the entire show and it was a good watch. Watching Johan become this monster was an interesting thing as you see him become this respectful individual who is a killer behind an angel in disguise.
Well. Technically speaking, the aim of the experiment was to condition a chid that would make a perfect psychopathic soldier in the future. Given the fact that Johan was the chosen one, the result of the experiment, he had strong tendencies to become the psychopath. Genetical background is the main key in the development of antisocial personality disorder. If other children were rejected and johan was the chosen - this gives the exact hint that Johan, in fact was “born” evil and most importantly - raised evil. When a child is born it’s neither good nor evil, the way you raise it is the key to whether it will become “evil” in the future or no, remember that.
@@ProsiaczekMr Yes I know. My point was that Johan might never have given in to his more antisocial tendencies had he not experienced the things he did.
@@user-yh4ip2mf9r i am speaking for the anime, Grimmer had a painful childhood and life yet he wasn't a character like Johan so in theory they exist I guess?
Damn it... The dub is just something else. I'm now rewatching Monster for the second time and I decided to instead listen to the dub halfway through the episodes instead of the sub...
Maybe I’m used to the sub but I like the Japanese voice actor much better. The Japanese voice is so soft yet creepy at the same time. Although, to achieve the most accurate version of Johan, we’d need a German voice actor!
Yeah, I also like the sub more, Johan sounds so much more empty and darker in the sub (which fits perfectly). It probably does have to do with me being used to the sub voices a bit, but the dub humanizes him too much.
@@boogus1670hey nobody wants to be Johan. You need to know manipulation, it's Nessecary even in your daily life. Though using it like how Johan does is not good
16:13 is the first time you can see Johan's npd side and the only time we see Johan using anger emotion to control anyone. By this disappointed face he pretty much put a feeling of guilt and remorse on Karl for making Johan feel “untrustworthy” and thus Karl super fast tries to redeem himself in Johan’s eyes (subconsciously). Johan is using all the time the game of unconscious in manipulating everyone and he does it perfectly. This is super natural to him and we can see he is pretty much capable of having everyone under his control. But at this moment basically, he was almost the closest to losing it, apart from the moment in which he got shot the second time at the end of the series where he desperately tried to make tenma shoot him.
19:32 Being the villain is definitely more fun but I have a question. Once you have destroyed everything, what will you do afterwards? Just genuinely curious😊
Johan could def stale mate the death note , and prob defeat light by default but not completely uncontested bc light and L could recognize patterns of someone like themselves , with no prep and a memory wipe light can also still do it but johan would still pull it off bc he doesn’t even take life serious in his own regard in any way not even for relief
Bro, you shouldn't have spoiled yourself. Watching the show was a roller coaster. And please muster your courage and do yourself a favor and watch the whole thing 🖤
Now that I know Keith Silverstein also voices Vector the Crocodile, I can't help but picture Johan yelling "𝙔𝙚𝙖𝙝 𝙮𝙚𝙖𝙝, 𝙄'𝙢 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙤𝙣𝙚, 𝙄'𝙢 𝙑𝙚𝙘𝙩𝙤𝙧 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝘾𝙧𝙤𝙘𝙤𝙙𝙞𝙡𝙚! 𝙃𝙚𝙧𝙧𝙝𝙚𝙝𝙚!" and it's a weird mental image😂
Both are emotionally immature since psychopathy excludes the possibility of emotional maturity, but Johan is a high-functioning psychopath compared to joker.
@@Amokzyy everybody is implying it, since he talks about the trauma he went through all the time and how it made him and everyone else into who he is, but don’t forget it was Anna that was sent to the bonaparta’s experiment, not Johan and also Johan was already a monster before the kinderheim 511 experiment - he was the one who manipulated everybody into killing themselves and watched the scene with a smile on his face. He answered to the general that he would know very soon, how Johan feels and he made the hell come true in the orphanage soon after. He hadn’t experienced the true trauma before he was sent into the orphanage and in the orphanage - he was already broken. That implies he must have had a strong genetical predisposition for becoming a psychopath and the deep, superficial charm, cold and calculated actions rather approve this theory. In his own way, he loved his sister and wanted to save her which is also typical for the psychopaths - he had his own rational way of understanding the incidents and his own actions as well as the world.
Hey random comment, but I believe he was using Carl to get schuewald.. considering Carl was his actual son, bringing the two together would allow Johan to build trust w/ schuewald and eventually assume his power once he died, allowing him to burn down the world through economic collapse, ofc his plan changes after looking at the nameless monster book, anyway, hope this helps!!
Adding on to Blake's comment, part of the murders Johan committed were meant to isolate Schuwald and make him dependent on Johan, which is a common method used by abusers to better control their victims, albeit in a subtler way than Johan's murders. Even if his plan to isolate Schuwald himself failed, Karl clearly trusted him and was also prone to his manipulation. Johan could have probably manipulated him into suicide as well if he felt like it.
He has two voices : the nice dude voice he uses to make people feel confortable around him and the the dark voice you can barely hear him which is his real voice he uses when he want to manipulate someone
It's perfect. The sweet, gentle voice. Cold when necessary. How could he possibly be evil? This is how the antagonist Voldemort's voice is *supposed to be like in the Harry Potter series
