John MacArthur vs. N.T. Wright on Atonement

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Johnny Mac accuses NT Wright of teaching a false Gospel, and using fancy words to obfuscate the message of penal substitutionary atonement. Wright demonstrates that models of salvation shouldn't emphasize one point over another, because it risks distorting what we know about Christ Jesus and HIs divinity, as well as our nature and the corruption of sin.

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@timcrna2980 2 года назад

I listened to JMac as a young Christian (30+ years ago) and my wife noticed I was becoming angry and judgmental since listening to him. But he was a hero! But I listened to my wife and stopped. I have found NT Wright now in my later years (about 3 years ago) and Oh that God would have led me to someone like him when I was young! My life would have been spared much grief! I have read his Romans Commentary (as previous post mentioned). It is outstanding! JMac is an angry man.

@monnombre6547 2 года назад

not angry, just passionate!

@gfujigo 2 года назад

@@monnombre6547 No, JMac is angry. He is a good person, no doubt. However he is still angry. Perfect love casts out fear. God is love and draws us to him with love. Is there punishment snd discipline? Absolutely! God is holy and chastises and disciplines us because he loves us and knows what is best for us. Penal substitutionary atonement is indeed a valid perspective but it is not the only one. For example for the first 500 years of Christianity salvation was seen as a rescue mission to rescue humanity from sin and death through Christ.

@MattisWell.20 2 года назад

We become what we behold. And if we are to fear a God that is vindictively angry and a horror to look upon if we don’t have the right answers, well, then what do we think we are going to become? JMac preaches fear, not love.

@gfujigo 2 года назад

@@MattisWell.20 Excellent point!

@thesourcerer6504 2 года назад

It sounds 'good' but sadly, very sadly you are very badly mistaken. Just because it sounds 'good' and even plausible does not mean that NT Wright is right...or that the Bible says what he is saying. NT Wright is stretching the meaning and intent of Scripture to say what it does not say. May I kindly suggest that you read carefully from Hebrews chapters 8 - 10 asking God to open your heart and mind to the meaning and intent of what has been written there about Christ's redemptory work and may God help you to understand it.

@Theoldmanandthesea13 2 года назад

JOHN MACARTHUR MAKES IT SOUND LIKE HE KNOWS EVERYTHING.

@jimreganpaul1358 2 года назад

Maybe he sounds like that, but he have a point in saying NT wright is confusing..

@savedchristian4754 Год назад

/ JOHN3:36: 'Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him'. GOD IS INDEED ANGRY. SO WRIGHT IS PLAIN WRONG!

@savedchristian4754 Год назад

@@jimreganpaul1358 God was quiet when Jesus was abused and killed. Is it God's love for Jesus? Wright clown 🤡 goes around preaching that indifference as God's love for Jesus!!! 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

@wjtruax Год назад

I've come to the unfortunate conclusion that the harder John MacArthur rails against a theological position, the more theologically sound that position actually must be.

@thatchurchguyshandle 3 года назад

What I love about N.T. Wright is that he is actually unpacking scripture without the bias of North American pithy sayings that distort the message of the Gospel. Praying for John, hope he can soon see the true beauty of the Gospel!

@contramundum2.0paradigmshi10 3 года назад

Sadly you cannot see how badly N.T. Wright butchers the Gospel and the Bible. I don't agree with John on many things, but if anyone reads into Scripture things that aren't there it's N.T. Wright, surely that's prayer worthy as well.

@diegovalleperez3360 3 года назад

NT Wright is heretical. He is disguising legalism through a so called “faith with loyalty”. That’s not biblical! We’re saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ. Then by that salvation the Holy Spirit in us sanctify us that we can do good works and live for God. (Ephesians 2:8-10)

@carlospalacio9095 3 года назад

@@diegovalleperez3360 absolutely it is not complicated.

@alightshines2703 3 года назад

@@diegovalleperez3360 But the words that we use have and had meaning. All he's doing is unpacking the meaning of the words you're holding on to. He doesn't disagree with your statement, just what the words mean in it, and even in that, it's a fuller understanding, not a negation. Even in English, all other instances of the word "faith" or "Faithfulness" are synonymous with "loyalty". Those intimately related terms. And then when you read other times where "faith (or loyalty) without works (action in reality) is dead" it makes sense. Be careful calling people heretical who can expand your understanding of what it means to follow Jesus.

@savedchristian4754 2 года назад

@@alightshines2703 ;-:&How can God be appeased of His righteous wrath over human sins, without His wrath being poured out on Jesus? If a car tube is inflated, how can it be deflated without sending the internal air to another place? Similarly, where has God's wrath gone if not placed upon Jesus? Claiming Jesus obeyed God & so God's wrath was appeased is totally absurd. Why? It is because Jesus not only obeyed God but was forsaken by God & suffered the most painful & shameful death which He prayed earlier in Gethsemane to be exempted from!

@matthewturner4719 2 года назад

NT Wright: “Isn’t God more awesome and loving beyond what we can comprehend?” J Mac: “Let me make sure you’re a Calvinist, first. Secondly, if you do not have morbid fear of the God who says he loves you, then you’re happily going to hell.” Enough said…..

@savedchristian4754 Год назад

!! JOHN3:36: 'Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him'. GOD IS INDEED ANGRY. SO WRIGHT IS PLAIN WRONG!

@matthewturner4719 Год назад

@@savedchristian4754 I know that the typical Calvinist loves to use a random proof text out of context, but to do so would be to ignore the whole message of the Bible.

@savedchristian4754 Год назад

@@matthewturner4719 Whole message ignoring John 3:36? That's your simplistic theology to justify your heresy!!

@matthewturner4719 Год назад

@@savedchristian4754 there it is. The Calvinist either punts to “mystery” or calling someone a heretic. Here are the facts: Neither the apostles nor their disciples adhered to the theology of Calvinism in anyway. The furthest back any Calvinist can point to the origin of their theology is John Calvin. I know a lot of them try to point back to Saint Augustine, but that’s not entirely accurate because early Calvinists misunderstood what Augustine was writing. I understand this may be hard to believe but I also understand that Calvinists do not study the Bible but rather randomly “whatever proofed text their favorite Calvinists preachers dictate.

@savedchristian4754 Год назад

@@matthewturner4719 What is the sin that brought God's wrath on mankind? This is the question that CV proponents as Wright fear to answer.

@jonahlewis8592 2 года назад

This is exactly the problem that NT Wright is trying to pull Christianity away from. We must resist the urge to interpret the Bible through the lenses of the Reformers. We must be willing to go back to the first century Jewish understanding. What were the prophets of old trying to communicate ? What was the plan of God before man sinned ? How did Jesus' death link to the historical background of the Biblical understanding of the Jewish Messiah. If we are not willing to start there we are wasting our time and not studying the bible correctly. People like John Mc should enroll himself in one of NT Wright's classes.

@HosannaInExcelsis 3 года назад

I'd like to know why can Macarthur call NT a heretic. What is Macartur standard for orthodoxy if his views have been declared heretic by a Church Council?. I have seen him accusing others as Pelagians based on Church Council definitions. I don't get it. Does he consider himself a Pope now?

@diegovalleperez3360 3 года назад

@HosannaInExcelsis 3 года назад

@@diegovalleperez3360 can you tell me which Ecumenical Council declared him or his teaching heretical? Because I know of two that will say the same about McArthurh's teachings. And of course the Apostolic Church Fathers align way more that with NT Wright that with McArthur. And this is important because they were the ones that got from the apostles what the meaning of works of the Law is.

@diegovalleperez3360 3 года назад

@Hossana In Excelsis The Bible declares NT Wright heretic.

@HosannaInExcelsis 3 года назад

@@diegovalleperez3360 the bible? Or your own fallible interpretation of it?

@diegovalleperez3360 3 года назад

@Hossana In Excelsis Ephesians 2:8-10 says otherwise.

@zacace 2 года назад

John starts off by saying that Tom's writing is above his head and then rambles on without bothering to try and understand. You can tell John has no idea what he's talking about because the New Prospective on Paul, especially Tom Wright actually deemphasizes the modern emphasis on being good to get to heaven and instead focuses on living in such a way that we are bringing heaven to Earth in the present by following in the footsteps and commands of Christ and awaiting God's promise of New Creation which was begun in Christ's resurrection.

@savedchristian4754 Год назад

! JOHN3:36: 'Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him'. GOD IS INDEED ANGRY. SO WRIGHT IS PLAIN WRONG!

@bradbrown2168 3 года назад

The difference is a New Testament exegete scholar vs a system focused pastor.

@michaelfalsia6062 Год назад

Actually outstanding Greek exegesis also see Wright as MacArthur does on justification and the atonement. I know Greek well enough to also know Wright is dead wrong on both points!

@duncescotus2342 Год назад

That's true.

@bradbrown2168 Год назад

@@michaelfalsia6062 If you see the greek text from 16th century lenses dealing with papal misunderstandings. It’s about a Jewish context to understand a great Jewish thinker, Paul.

@michaelfalsia6062 Год назад

@@bradbrown2168 My dear friend the Greek text is the Greek text papal misunderstanding is a strawman I must say. Theologically Wright is as wrong as every sound exegete knows he is. The truth is in plain sight if the Spirit is working in you. He is not called the Spirit of truth for nothing. John 15:26. John 17:17. Always working through the word of course. And it matters not what form of the new testament text one uses either. Tyndale certainly was no Papist as a former priest. And it matters not what form of text one uses to see how wrong Wright is on a number of subjects his proposed exegesis notwithstanding. The truth is in plain sight if you have the Holy Spirit working in you and in accord with the word of God of course. Wright may be extremely clever but being clever in and of itself is no virtue as many false teachers are quite clever. The scriptures warn of false teachers of this sort.

@bradbrown2168 Год назад

@@michaelfalsia6062 To focus on one theory does great injustice to the Cross. How did the early church writers discuss the purpose of the cross? Christus Victor. The punishment Jesus suffered is from all the evil Earthly and other worldly met up on Jesus in order for it to be condemned. Stripped of its power over humanity. The notion God punished Jesus as a whipping boy for us is not found in the text. Our Passover Lamb is our protector against Death’s hold. Our release from Egypt The Day of Atonement sent the cursed goat back to Azazel. Out of the Camp. Not the imagery of Christ’s cup he had to endure.

@eugene4413 3 года назад

Challenge to Ps. Mcarthur to have a sit down with Mr Wright and talk about these teachings. Throwing rocks at people from a pulpit does not make people belive in your doctrine. It is repulsive. Mr Wright does not mention people or tries to embrace their point of view. He deals strictly with the subject matter.

@pilgrimpiper7832 2 года назад

Well said.

@savedchristian4754 Год назад

@@pilgrimpiper7832 JOHN3:36: 'Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him'. GOD IS INDEED ANGRY. SO WRIGHT IS PLAIN WRONG!

@Clebs98 2 года назад

John MacArthur has become rather repulsive in my opinion. For a man that professes God’s grace so much, he seems to have so little grace for anyone from a different faith traditions. MacArthur’s demeanour is so arrogant. Very sad.

@brucegaylord5384 2 года назад

I totally agree with you. John MacArthur needs to learn some manners. Its possible to disagree without being an obnoxious jerk

@thesourcerer6504 2 года назад

Caleb, just because JM points out that this is not in keeping with the truth does not make him 'rather repulsive'. Justification by faith alone is the single greatest and most important doctrine of the Christian faith. It is not a minor doctrine it is the very essence on which a person is either a believer ... or not, either reconciled with God ... or not, either alive in Christ and forgiven of their sins ... or not. All of those points as you will agree aren't little or unimportant issues it is the very nub of the contents of the Bible and as soon as you veer away from that then the Bible can say almost anything ... and nothing. JM is doing what a believer should be doing 'contending for the faith' and he has been a faithful steward throughout his ministry during the course of his entire life always rightly dividing the Word of God and he certainly has no reason to be ashamed for the way 'he has handled the Word'.

@Clebs98 2 года назад

@@thesourcerer6504 Hi Mike, Yes, I agree with you. Justification by faith alone is a non-negotiable tenet of the Christian faith. From what I gather in this video, Wright is not undermining this foundational doctrine but rather challenging the idea of Penal Substitutionary atonement being the sole image and vehicle of Christ's soteriological work on the cross. There are so many other motifs of atonement which are undermined if Penal Substitution is the one and only "string that is played" when telling our atonement story. I for one find Scot McKnight's book "A Community Called Atonement" very helpful on this matter and I think we can keep many of the atonement theories in our toolbelt as we wrestle with understanding Christ's work on the cross and how it saves us. Motifs of Recapitulation, Christus Victor, Satisfaction, Representation should also be used in conjunction with one another to articulate a biblical and robust atonement theology. I simply ask how this would undermine one’s belief in justification by faith alone? If you could please direct me to a place in the video (or elsewhere) where NT Wright explicitly repudiates justification by faith alone, that would be much appreciated.

@GEZISHASEFAW 2 года назад

So should he compromise and cowardice towards rather an arrogant attack on the foundations of scriptures?

@Clebs98 2 года назад

@@GEZISHASEFAW are you saying that N.T Wright is arrogantly attacking the foundation of Scripture? If so, how???

@darlameeks 2 года назад

I am so, so sad that any of God's lambs fall under this kind of heartless bullying that we always hear from John MacArthur! People who listen to him start to talk like him: Judgmental, ungenerous, cruel, slandering and hateful towards brothers and sisters he finds threatening. A kind of violence is born in those who follow him. I've seen a brother fall prey to him and watched him become more and more hateful in his religion. MacArthur is competitive, envious, filled with wrath and selfish ambition. N.T. Wright has illuminated the New Testament in a way that is full of hope and joyous anticipation of both "the now, and the not yet". Our God is a God of hope, make no mistake. I'm truly not surprised that MacArthur has decided to take potshots at him. Jesus said, “Come to me, all you that are weary and are carrying heavy burdens, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me; for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.” (Matt. 11:28-30) MacArthur wants us to learn from anyone but the Christ who said this! He conjures up some sort of "christ" who would have us sweating under great burdens, running around beating our chests and screaming in terror! Who can serve God in such a state? I pray that MacArthur will beware the leaven of the Pharisees, for it seems that he has eaten it up. Both men offer a kind of wisdom, so which kind of wisdom is from God? St. James says it best, "Who is wise and understanding among you? Show by your good life that your works are done with gentleness born of wisdom. But if you have bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not be boastful and false to the truth. Such wisdom does not come down from above, but is earthly, unspiritual, devilish. For where there is envy and selfish ambition, there will also be disorder and wickedness of every kind. But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without a trace of partiality or hypocrisy. And a harvest of righteousness is sown in peace for those who make peace." (James 3:13-18)

@williamoarlock8634 2 года назад

Christians are hypocrites because Christ is hypocrisy.

@blbrd Год назад

MacArthur sounds MEAN

@Ajsirb24 Год назад

Well said. I pray John MacArthur follows the whole truth and not just part of it.

@savedchristian4754 Год назад

@@Ajsirb24 God was quiet when Jesus was abused and killed. Is it God's love for Jesus? Wright clown 🤡 goes around preaching that indifference as God's love for Jesus!!! 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

@Ajsirb24 Год назад

@@savedchristian4754 You are a sorry example of a Christian.

@seektruth7 Год назад

“Yet he himself bore our sicknesses, and he carried our pains; but we in turn regarded him stricken, struck down by God, and afflicted. But he was pierced because of our rebellion, crushed because of our iniquities; punishment for our peace was on him, and we are healed by his wounds. We all went astray like sheep; we all have turned to our own way; and the Lord has punished him for the iniquity of us all.” ‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭53‬:‭4‬-‭6‬ ‭CSB‬‬ ^^^ STRUCK DOWN BY GOD

@seektruth7 Год назад

Please friends, understand the depth of the price that Christ willingly paid for His bride.

@rscottadams7082 2 года назад

Poor Mr. McArthur. In my youth (40 years +/-) he gave a sermon titled, "How to Know the Will of God." It was uplifting, simple, straightforward. As years have passed, I've watched him seemingly grow sadder, and dour, and hard, and saddest of all seemingly unloving. I doubt seriously if he's read N.T. Wright's "Paul and the Faithfulness of God" in which Wright gives full explication of where he's coming from. As with Tim's comment below, I have found N.T. Wright a breath of fresh air that needs to blow through the "traditions" of the modern evangelical church. Many things that never made sense to me in the typical evangelical understanding (where houses of cards have to be carefully maintained to have it all string together) now make sense in the full arc of the biblical narrative.

@bradbrown2168 Год назад

Well said

@savedchristian4754 Год назад

@@bradbrown2168 JOHN3:36: 'Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him'. GOD IS INDEED ANGRY. SO WRIGHT IS PLAIN WRONG!

@savedchristian4754 Год назад

@@bradbrown2168 Wright refers to the ceremonial law when he explains the 'works of the law' in Galatians 2:16. Thus Wright believes the moral law exists even now! Which means Wright seeks to be justified before God by complying with the moral law! Catholics like you shy from admitting this fact!!

@Ajsirb24 Год назад

@@savedchristian4754 If you do not know the context of scripture, you fall behind many of its truths. We are not the audience to whom Jesus was speaking in John 3:36. He was speaking to an evil generation that was soon to pass away in AD 70. Also, the "wrath of God" was seen by ancient teachers as metaphorical. God does not display negative emotion because that comes from a human heart, not unconditional love. While I disagree with some of Wright's arguments, he is much wiser and more knowledgeable with scripture than MacArthur, who tends to abuse scripture.

@savedchristian4754 Год назад

@@Ajsirb24 John3:18: 'Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son'. 'Whoever' means God's wrath is upon all. So you & Wright are totally wrong.

@HosannaInExcelsis 3 года назад

I think MacArthur's criticism of NT Wright is unfair and biased. I am sure he didn't read his outstanding commentary on Romans (the New Interpreters Bible). If he had, he would have noticed that most of the accusations he is raising against NT Wright are wrong. I am a Catholic and absolutely love NT Wright, not because his soteriology has a lot in common with mine, but because his exegesis is superb and finally Paul makes sense.

@alisonnayagam4553 3 года назад

Total contradiction between arthur's criticism and wright's explanation. He (wright) is a simple man down to earth. Pride is in arthur's criticism moret han in wright

@savedchristian4754 2 года назад

@@alisonnayagam4553 *£#@How can God be appeased of His righteous wrath over human sins, without His wrath being poured out on Jesus? If a car tube is inflated, how can it be deflated without sending the internal air to another place? Similarly, where has God's wrath gone if not placed upon Jesus? Claiming Jesus obeyed God & so God's wrath was appeased is totally absurd. Why? It is because Jesus not only obeyed God but was forsaken by God & suffered the most painful & shameful death which He prayed earlier in Gethsemane to be exempted from!

@Ben-wh4ci 2 года назад

@@savedchristian4754 notice how you use philosophy rather than scripture? Notice how you use earthly wisdom rather than just jumping into what the Bible really says?? I don’t care about a balloon with deflating air. What you’re saying is right. But when overemphasised you mishandle scripture and create not only a false gospel but a false god. McArthur often says Pentecostals and Charasmatics have created an idol of a false depiction of the spirit. But he has done that with God’s word He has reduced the glorious gospel to an atonement theory that is only half of the truth. Shame on him.

@savedchristian4754 2 года назад

@@Ben-wh4ci You are worse. You beg the question. Mathew20:28: "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One (God) who can destroy both soul and body in hell". Jesus says God indeed punishes. Revelation 19:15: " Coming out of his (Jesus) mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations". Jesus is also angry & punishes.

@savedchristian4754 2 года назад

@Jesus Messiah So you follow the Christus victor?

@awakentotruthmichaelsmith4698 Год назад

JMA is no narrow and strict in his dogma that he often misses what others are actually saying because he can’t get past the fact that they are saying something slightly different than what he believes

@savedchristian4754 Год назад

= JOHN3:36: 'Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him'. GOD IS INDEED ANGRY. SO WRIGHT IS PLAIN WRONG!

@ds61821 3 года назад

I didn't realize MacArthur was so confused about the Bible, about NT Wright, and what Wright has read. Wow. Just wow.

@duncescotus2342 Год назад

This is the saddest I've seen John. Let him fight Governor Noisome.

@ZaneTrain92 Год назад

He seemed to be casting judgment on Wright without actually trying to understand him. Taking quotes out of context to condemn someone is putting yourself in the Judge's chair.

@duncescotus2342 Год назад

@@ZaneTrain92 Exactly, brother Zane. In fact we can go to a video right now in which Wright will be found saying that all atonement theories are partially true but inadequate alone. The Calvinist favorite (penal substitution) is even true enough, but without the element of the love of God it falls flat. Did not God say of Abraham: "Now I know that you fear God since you did not spare your only son." Yes, there's fear, but also perfect trust and love in the relationship between the lamb and the judge. There's something so unitarian about all Calvinism. You can really take away the deity of Christ and it all holds up. You can really take away Christ, and it holds up, as it's really Judaism in the end. That's what covenantal theology does--builds upon the previous foundation, which was actually destroyed: "Abolished the law with its commandments and ordinances." Now, I'm "sitting in the judges chair," but historically, there's a lot of truth here. Unitarianism sprouted and flourished along with Calvinist Congregationalism, not only because of the liberty of conscience which the non-conformist Reformed church did provide, but also because there's a confusion of major doctrinal points. The one I'm pointing out is the law. It's not applicable any more. That's Paul's point, isn't it?

@bradbrown2168 3 года назад

I find it difficult to listen to MacArthur rhetoric. Emotionally charged language “happy heretic” vs a solid exegetical response.

@dynamicloveministries334 3 года назад

I read the books that Wright wrote un know what he believes how can John not know. John is just telling lies about Wright.

@savedchristian4754 Год назад

× JOHN3:36: 'Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him'. GOD IS INDEED ANGRY. SO WRIGHT IS PLAIN WRONG!

@savedchristian4754 Год назад

^ God was quiet when Jesus was abused and killed. Is it God's love for Jesus? Wright clown 🤡 goes around preaching that indifference as God's love for Jesus!!! 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

@raifcluster Год назад

I read The Day the Revolution Began. It was a confusing collection of human logic that denies the plain teaching of the Gospel. The day the real revolution began, which was the day Jesus began His ministry, John the Baptist saw Him coming and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God Who takes away the sins of the world." Had N.T. Wright been standing next to John, his reponse would have been "Oh, that's pagan BS!" (see pages 42-45 of his book.)

@slavetoChrist 3 года назад

If Jesus is not good enough then we have no hope.

@bradbrown2168 3 года назад

Your statement is not helpful. Who said Jesus is not good enough? Your filtering their discussion through your rhetoric.

@savedchristian4754 Год назад

@@bradbrown2168 God was quiet when Jesus was abused and killed. Is it God's love for Jesus? Wright clown 🤡 goes around preaching that indifference as God's love for Jesus!!! 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

@rodwitzel9260 3 года назад

I have read NT Wright's books and his writings are very clear and true to the scriptures. His books have helped me understand the Holy Scriptures and the different levels of meanings and develop a closer walk and life in Christ, our saviour. Recall the parable of the Good Smaritian- Compassion and love of the heritic Samaritian please God more than the levi's theology. NT Wright's books clearly state Christ took our sin, the sins of all the humanity onto himself and conquered evil and Satan on the cross. Does MacAcAther understand ??? Truth matters but love , life and people matter more. I just don't hear much love preaching coming from MacArthur. Very important -according to scripture -We are the true children of God when we LOVE one another. Christ is the true and ultimate Word of God.

@timcrna2980 2 года назад

Oh man. Well put!

@blbrd Год назад

Because of NT Wright, my faith has become alive.

@duncescotus2342 Год назад

Well said, brother Rod.

@savedchristian4754 Год назад

@@blbrd JOHN3:36: 'Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him'. GOD IS INDEED ANGRY. SO WRIGHT IS PLAIN WRONG!

@savedchristian4754 Год назад

@@timcrna2980 God was quiet when Jesus was abused and killed. Is it God's love for Jesus? Wright clown 🤡 goes around preaching that indifference as God's love for Jesus!!! 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

@wanderingontheway 3 года назад

As usual, MacArthur is guilty of second order reasoning. He argues more from abstractions of scripture, which may or may not be explicitly stated, (e.g. "eternal conscious torment") than from scripture itself. One of the things that is so refreshing about N.T. Wright is that he doesn't tend to do that.

@savedchristian4754 Год назад

# JOHN3:36: 'Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him'. GOD IS INDEED ANGRY. SO WRIGHT IS PLAIN WRONG!

@wanderingontheway Год назад

Not sure what you think that proves.

@savedchristian4754 Год назад

@@wanderingontheway Wright refers to the ceremonial law when he explains the 'works of the law' in Galatians 2:16. Thus Wright believes the moral law exists even now! Which means Wright seeks to be justified before God by complying with the moral law! Catholics like you shy from admitting this fact!!

@wanderingontheway Год назад

@@savedchristian4754 the Southern Baptist Church that gave me an ordination certificate is going to be mighty disappointed when they find out I'm a Catholic now.

@savedchristian4754 Год назад

@@wanderingontheway Southern baptist convention will be mighty disappointed if they know you are seeking to be justified before God by complying with the moral law following Wright!!

@edgarvera4621 3 года назад

I respect John McArthur, but he’s indelibly tied to the reformation, that is reformed theology. N.T. Wright reads Koine Greek so fluidly, perhaps more than McArthur, Lawson and others. Wright reads Koine Greek like reading a news paper. I wouldn’t dismiss N.T. Wright that rapidly. For sure Wright has a lot to say and we have much to learn from him. We should also recall that there’s a vast distinction between McArthur and Wright. McArthur is more a pastor than scholar. Wright is, in fact, a scholar in the true academic sense of the word. I recommend we keep learning from both these men with a discerning ear.

@darlameeks Год назад

Wright is also an expert in classical history, which has given him a much greater perspective on the historical context of the New Testament writers, especially Paul (who was, after all, a Hellenized Jew and a Roman citizen). MacArthur can't possibly compete. Instead of learning from his learned brother in Christ, MacArthur shouts, "Heretic!!" at the top of his lungs like some medieval inquisitor. So sad.

@duncescotus2342 Год назад

That's the words of a Berean brother. Good for you brother Edgar.

@Liminalplace1 Год назад

I think the internet has increased these men beyond their giftedness or character. I don't think MacArthur represents Reformed or Reformation Theology... He's just adopted some points in a fundamentalist Baptist way. MacArthur would be more useful limited to Southern California as a Pastor. Wrights books would still be read if we had not internet. Wright is not right about all things but that's where others come in . I'd recommend John Barclay as he was a student of Wright and he disagrees with some points of Wright'.

@duncescotus2342 Год назад

@@Liminalplace1 You speak the truth, brother Paul. It's that old Congregationalism, so useful, so adaptable. Pastor teaches too! The pews are warmed with the water drenched, but who is really tending them? They're in the pen, that's for sure. California Christianity? Let's see: Schuler, David Jeremiah, Chuck Smith, John MacArthur. The best is Biola University. I too disagree with Wright on his upgrading of the Judaizers. It's nice and all, but doesn't explain Paul, who is so infuriatingly contradictory: "You're not under the law, so now do x, y an z."

@Liminalplace1 Год назад

@@duncescotus2342 I've heard Wright speak in person and a journalist who was reporting on the visit, stood up to declare shed come to faith during one of his lectures..I realised it wasnot just acedemic stuff he was talking about...there was power. He was invited by the Catholic archbishop who had assigned all his priests to read "Jesus and the victory of God" book by NT Wright. If you mean the New Perspective (Judizers comment) I'd recommend John Barclays Paul and the Gift, or Paul and the Power of Grace. He was a student of NT Wright'for his PhD and I think he corrects Wright. Eg. It's about trusting "worth" of any kind.. works comes into that. Paul's is just difficult..not contradictory

@Theoldmanandthesea13 2 года назад

Fear? Why put emphasis on fear John Macarthur? Was it not said PERFECT LOVE DRIVES OUT FEAR?

@khristalalpensepai9439 2 года назад

You comment multiple time brothers. you are just John Mac hater

@Theoldmanandthesea13 2 года назад

@@khristalalpensepai9439 did i say something untrue?

@DarrellWolfe 2 года назад

I have found John Macarthur to be a dense and unable to hear anything outside of his own myopic tradition. He's one of the poorest thinkers I've ever encountered. As is evidenced here. If he read NT Wright and cannot tell what he believes, it's because he's not trying to understand. It's hard to speak in nuance to simple thinkers. MacArthur would be well at home in the Sanhedrin.

@matthewmencel5978 2 года назад

hmm. except that last sentence. the Sanhedrin isn't a place for people unable to do nuance

@aikhongchua8978 3 года назад

John McArthur misunderstands NT Wright. Both are good bible teachers. But I think, after hearing lots from both, NT Wright is reading the scriptures more accurately. NT's good knowledge of Hebrews and Greek certainly help.

@diegovalleperez3360 3 года назад

@USMC-cv5sd 2 года назад

@@diegovalleperez3360 MacArthur has been legalistic with his hyper Lordship salvation.

@MrBlockHead Год назад

@@diegovalleperez3360 macarthur is the leagalist man. You got that backwards. Wrights position is that christ came to set the world right again icluding redeeming fall humans And we are to “through him” in bringing about that “right setting” in the world around us. Macarthur seems to have us want to do right so that we don’t make god mad and end up in the wrong side of his gavel.

@saltnpepperfire318 3 года назад

Johnny Mac seems like the one full of pride. He goes public before talking to anyone in private. Causing discord!

@Chomper750 3 года назад

I think that is pretty obvious when he published "The MacArthur Study Bible". It isn't his Bible. It is God's. There is no "The NT Wright Study Bible".

@savedchristian4754 2 года назад

@@Chomper750 ;+:-'How can God be appeased of His righteous wrath over human sins, without His wrath being poured out on Jesus? If a car tube is inflated, how can it be deflated without sending the internal air to another place? Similarly, where has God's wrath gone if not placed upon Jesus? Claiming Jesus obeyed God & so God's wrath was appeased is totally absurd. Why? It is because Jesus not only obeyed God but was forsaken by God & suffered the most painful & shameful death which He prayed earlier in Gethsemane to be exempted from!

@savedchristian4754 2 года назад

@Jesus Messiah So you are a Wright zombie?

@savedchristian4754 2 года назад

@Jesus Messiah Who said Wright is right?

@trentbelew4801 2 года назад

@Jesus Messiah NT*

@xavierbizirik9995 2 года назад

But He was wounded for our transgressions; He was bruised for our iniquities. The chastisement of our peace was upon Him, and with His stripes we are healed.

@duncescotus2342 Год назад

Excellent job going to Isaiah 53:5 which lists several unified, but distinct benefits of the sacrifice of Christ. We could think of them like this: 1. Transgressions--willful sins 2. Iniquity--inherent weaknesses, "the sin nature," the Adamic inheritance 3. Chastisement means punishment. This is the penal part, but also carries the element of correction, much like the way we call prison "penal correction." The result of which is our "peace with God" (Romans 5:1), a re-establishment of fellowship that was lost in Adam 4. "Stripes" (lashings, beatings, or maybe simply wounds). This one is the most debated. Does the scourging that Jesus took before his crucifixion also have a redemptive benefit, that of physical healing?

@savedchristian4754 Год назад

@@duncescotus2342 God was quiet when Jesus was abused and killed. Is it God's love for Jesus? Wright clown 🤡 goes around preaching that indifference as God's love for Jesus!!! 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

@duncescotus2342 Год назад

@@savedchristian4754 How do you get your ideas? You think in emojis evidently. You're going to have to expand your palette a bit. Not everything NT Wright says is accurate, but he knows the ancient world and so he knows what the scriptures might have meant TO THEM at the time of their writing. MacArthur knows Baptistic and English Puritan tradition and that is where he is coming from. Why should a loyal Anglican and a Separatist get along? They never did. Please rephrase your comment more clearly. What is Wright saying exactly?

@savedchristian4754 Год назад

@@duncescotus2342 Why do beat around the bush rather than reply to my post?

@duncescotus2342 Год назад

@@savedchristian4754 Lol, saved sibling. I honestly don't understand you. I think you're saying that NT is saying that when Jesus died, God cut him off and that was a loving act. If so, I'm sure there's enough scripture references to back up that view. We don't know what happened in the time between Jesus' death and resurrection. Tradition says he went to hell! To preach the Gospel. but still!! You know what I mean? Mysterious stuff happened.

@understandingthebible427 Год назад

How can a man who is so immersed in confusion and false teaching, such as John MacArthur, ever even begin to understand what the question is much less the answer. I fear for his eternity.

@IrishEddie317 Год назад

Fortunately for John MacArthur, Calvin was wrong and there is no eternal hell. Just chastisement leading to theosis.

@franciscocampos9576 3 года назад

I wish these two could meet and discuss the differences and not MacArthur use the pulpit to judge someone on the basis of something he wrote that seems ambiguous. It's a big mistake unless that conversation already happened and I haven't seen it.

@thatchurchguyshandle 3 года назад

The only person MacArthur doesn’t think is a heretic is the man he greets every morning in the mirror.

@paigesamuels8555 3 года назад

NT right employs the the notion of the legal courtroom which MacArfther rejects . Here is the point Mcafther reads the Scrptures through the lens of trading the patristics. NT Wright read it from the framework of the Greek scriptures.

@johnrude2683 3 года назад

Macarther was correct right does not teach a biblical atonement Isaiah53:4-6 states christ was smitten of God and affected He suffered in his body and soul the pains of hell in our place Matt8:17God spoke through Isaiah the above passage Heb2:9,1Pet2:21talks about Christ suffering 1Peter2:24 bore our sins in his own body All references to the sufferings of Christ in his person,this was a real actual experience of Christ it was a brutal ugly sight See how great the love of the Father has on us that he did not spare his own son Wight preaches another gospel not the gospel of the bible

@matthewmencel5978 2 года назад

@@johnrude2683 Isaiah 53:4-6 DOESN'T say Christ was smitten of God. it says WE COUNTED him as such, BUT on the opposite, it was OUR SIN he bore...It was OUR SINS that put him to the cross. Further, N.T Wright believes Christ suffered in his body in our place. Instead of listening to mini popes behind a pulpit speak about others, try reading the actual works of those you condemn.

@robertbruce1552 Год назад

They need to have a beer together.

@dynamicloveministries334 3 года назад

Pride is never a good thing. John has no clue on what Wright says. John needs repentance.

@soonhong2389 2 года назад

It seems that NT Wright can't accept the image of a God putting his own Son to death for a greater purpose. But I wonder what he would then think of God commanding Abraham to sacrifice his son, Isaac? Following NT Wright distorts lots of things, including God's own intentions.

@matthewstokes1608 2 года назад

Perhaps it might also help, here, to consider that God's commanding Abraham to sacrifice his son, Isaac, like so much else in the OT was possibly intentionally wrought, in order that it be comprehended in the 20/20 of hindsight ... Ergo, in association with the advent of Christ and the revolutionary spirit of the New Testament - the Gospel of the Messiah bringing Eternity and the Kingdom of Heaven to all who follow - beyond fear and the terror of the Crucifixion - into adoration... and the Love and peace in and through the Resurrection and Ascension... The link to the brutal sacrifice of God's own Son - indeed the Self-sacrifice of God Himself on the Cross - must of course have been an intentional link back to Abraham's trial or why else would the Lord have it as such a glaring similarity for future consideration? Perhaps all this is wrong - and there is no such intentional 'Design' if so, may the Lord forgive me... BUT what you and Mac maybe slightly missing is that God did NOT have Abraham sacrifice Isaac, at all, did He?! ... The deed was therefore never to have done at all, of course... Just the incredibly tough and terrifying message to us all that the link of every Individual soul with Almighty God is closer and tighter - inseparable - as a bond even than the terror of such an order and the love of a human father for a son - so impossible powerful it is... It's certainly an extremely difficult thing to read and contemplate - it is so seemingly pitiless - and therefore surely intentionally so... And yet, it is precisely the same sort of undertaking that the Lord had to go through for each of us INDIVIDUALLY... And in His case, not just to be put through a 'test', but the very real undertaking of that explicitly torturous act itself as a proof of suffering ... It is the greatest proof of the greatest Gift we could ever have - the brutally frank exhibition of Love for us by our Divine Creator... Considering all this, it seems clear to me that - if we so love Him, we can only devote ourselves to Him - by following Christ's message of Love. To believe that Fear trumps Love is to miss so much of the Gospel message it seems to me right now... Although, so as not to beat up upon Mac too much here, certainly, as Oswald Chambers I believe put it, "Once you know the true fear of God - you fear nothing else"... And this Fear, annexed to and then amazingly trumped, finally, by Love for Him - AND for each other, it seems to me, is a dualism necessary for profound reverence of the Father and of this miraculous gift of Life - in this world - while we live here - as in Heaven... Forgive me for being so opiniated all of a sudden!

@mwthomas87 2 года назад

"N.T. Wright is N.T. Wrong", MacArthur chides as his audience guffaws. It is sad that such insulting, juvenile schoolyard bullying is what evangelical discourse has devolved into.

@JLeppert 2 года назад

Well, JMac is a Calvanist. They aren't actually Christians. NT Wright is the only Evangelical in the conversation.

@douglasdiaz4109 2 года назад

No matter who it is that is speaking McArthur or NT Write one must study pray, study, pray for discernment. So, McArthur is so well educated as well as Write. NT Write with his eloquence of speech can make one seem to be smarter, someone that is persuasive with his speech. So without getting into who is correct or in error. Also, I am not to say disregard if this in error. My point, we much study God’s Word for so many reasons, one of which Know who God is, know God the Son and to know God the Holy Spirit so we know His voice when God speaks to us, naturally we must listen.

@motley331 3 года назад

I listen to this guy and say to myself .... WHAT ???????

@alist755 3 года назад

After reading Wright's book myself -The Day The Revolution Began-, then listening to his rebuke, I wonder if McCarther actually understood the book. Sure Wright isn't a bland and straightforward reader like one of McCarthers books (of which I've also read) but Wright gets one to think about Christs atonement in so many more ways than McCarther ever has and has worked for more to challenge my presuppositions on the crucifixion, by instilling a far more robust view of our atonement.

@motley331 3 года назад

Who says you NEED to think about Christ's atonement in so many more ways? Sounds to me like the lure of lucifer appealing to man's pride of his own intellect.

@alist755 3 года назад

@@motley331 that's how Theology often times works my friend; you have to think about it. And sometimes theology means weighing alternate views against your own. PSA isn't the only acceptable atonement theory out there and we shouldn't allow ourselves to be ignorantly led into such a narrow view.

@ObjectOfMercy 2 года назад

I believe the only answers we need are the ones the scriptures gives us not the ones we try to reinterpret through somehow thinking we know better than what has been taught thru the ages. This is what cause bad reform and leads a lot of people down a path of destruction... remember why we are like this in the first place... Adam and Eve were swayed to thinking they could know better than what was already given to them. Be mindful

@wallplanner 2 года назад

Oh;; on

@DarrellWolfe 2 года назад

I have found John Macarthur to be a dense and unable to hear anything outside of his own myopic tradition. He's one of the poorest thinkers I've ever encountered.

@ismedillard618 2 года назад

Mr. Macarthur's tie is wonderful.

@savedchristian4754 Год назад

@ God was quiet when Jesus was abused and killed. Is it God's love for Jesus? Wright clown 🤡 goes around preaching that indifference as God's love for Jesus!!! 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

@m4641 2 года назад

It's interesting to hear MacArthur pandering to Martin Luther as truth. MacArthur doesn't believe much of what Luther actually taught...Baptism and the Eucharist for instance. When I listen to N.T. Wright, I hear love. When I listen to MacArthur, I hear hate. When I hear N.T. Wright, I hear humility. When I hear MacArthur, I hear arrogance.

@IrishEddie317 Год назад

Arrogance is a Calvinist virtue and hate is Calvinist Sacrament.

@debbieapoldo1941 Год назад

Me too. N.T. Wright is a pastor theologian. MacArthur is an accuser.

@percival5207 3 года назад

I listen to both, Dr MacArthur and Bishop NT Wright. For the first time I am in disagreement with Dr MacArthur for twisting the words of Wright on the new perspective justification / atonement and further to pronounce a summary judgement. In fact the New Perspective is a misnomer, it has been the original perspectives. It just takes a couple of RU-vid video lectures or sermon recordings to understand what Wright is saying on this complex theological point. Dr Wright is awe-inspiringly knowledgeable on early backgrounds of Christianity, Pauline theology and philosophy and many of his academic books on early Christianity, resurrection and atonement is simply outstanding and a high watermark for contemporary Christian scholarship. Also human and animal sacrifices have indeed been paganistic rituals before the time of Hebrew Bible. In early Canaan, folks used to sacrifice children and infants as substitutionary atonement to the pagan god Molech. Also time domain perspectives on the gospel and Pauline epistles are wrong as many epistles were written earlier than the gospels.

@bradbrown2168 3 года назад

Has MacArthur boiled down the atonement to only a penal substitution? Very 16th century. Christus Victus , expiation/purifying motif?

@m4641 2 года назад

I've listened to MacArthur and I have come to the conclusion that he views penal substitution not as a theory but fact. How MacArthur twists N.T. Wright's words is astounding. N.T. does not reject Christ as the substitute. MacArthur is full of half-truths.

@pannonia77 3 года назад

Is it really so difficult to the all powerful, all wise God to communicate his message to mankind that it could be understood by all?

@gabrielornellas8313 3 года назад

The main message is pretty clear. We need salvation, Jesus son of God dies and saves those who lay their full trust on Him. After that we procede to Love our neigboors as Christ loves.

@ndjarnag 3 года назад

God is not the best communicator really.

@savedchristian4754 Год назад

@@gabrielornellas8313 God was quiet when Jesus was abused and killed. Is it God's love for Jesus? Wright clown 🤡 goes around preaching that indifference as God's love for Jesus!!! 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

@TheKnowledgeOfTheTruth 3 года назад

Limited Atonement is a dangerous heresy. Apostle Paul would fight to death to destroy this corrupt doctrine.

@wenhari06 3 года назад

NT challenges reductionism which characterises a lot of our hermeneutics. That doesn't sit well with many people but that doesn't make him wrong

@savedchristian4754 Год назад

! God was quiet when Jesus was abused and killed. Is it God's love for Jesus? Wright clown 🤡 goes around preaching that indifference as God's love for Jesus!!! 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

@markgalletly3726 3 года назад

John really goes off half cocked on this on and totally misrepresents what NT is actually saying. Very naughty for someone so respected and his attitude is so arrogant. Very dissapointing indeed.

@marshjacqueline07 3 года назад

N T Wright is true to God’s Word and you have to follow how He unpacks the scriptures not pick up a wrong understanding of what he is saying. To condemn another theologian because you misunderstand him reflects badly on John MacArthurs knowledge of the truth of the gospel. I find it sad that many good preachers are condemned as heretics by John. We are called to love one another.

@Btw_visit_____todacarne-com Год назад

You become just like the God you truly believe in ...

@hlokomani Год назад

Dang, this hits home

@savedchristian4754 Год назад

@@hlokomani God was quiet when Jesus was abused and killed. Is it God's love for Jesus? Wright clown 🤡 goes around preaching that indifference as God's love for Jesus!!! 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

@JimPowellS Год назад

As someone new to N.T. Wright I get the perspective he wants a Christianity without the supernatural. A materialist only Christianity framed up in a metaphorical interpretation of scriptures so as to avoid the appearance of Christianity "looking like a pagan religion". I can see why such a view appeals to so many. Ironically, I find myself going in the opposite direction and believing maybe the pagans were onto something (so are the occultist) but whereas they seek transference of life from the taking of other's lives, Jesus gives it by offering his own.

@martinploughboy988 Год назад

I find Wright equally confusing, but I'd come to the conclusion that he tells stories & then uses those stories to justify his opinions.

@dgbx6 3 года назад

John MacArthur, as usual, presumes He is God and has all the answers. NT Wright is three times the biblical scholar, and Christian that this power hungry egomaniac does. His person attacks of NT Wright are cheap and disgraceful, - but that's what Mac Arthur has to do these days.

@diegovalleperez3360 3 года назад

@dgbx6 Agree that MacArthur has some wrong things like in eschatology or Genesis 6:4 meaning but in this, NT Wright is being heretical. He is disguising legalism through a so called “faith with loyalty”. That’s not biblical! We’re saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ. Then by that salvation the Holy Spirit in us sanctify us that we can do good works and live for God. (Ephesians 2:8-10)

@mariosangermano5709 2 года назад

@@diegovalleperez3360 and JM understanding of eschatology is spot on. I suggest you go back and study the Abrahamic and Mosaic covenants if you want to get Israel right and the end times right.

@mariosangermano5709 2 года назад

I think you're captivated by NT's lofty british accent that makes his academic rambling sound intelligent. JM has a solid grasp of justification and the gospel. NT is the arrogant one who is re defining the gospel. He makes it impossible to understand. NT has truly obfuscated the gospel of salvation. He just smothers the simple gospel in academic goop!! Confusing and confounding the truth. Wrong NT the goal is perfection. SMH

@troyandlaudi 6 месяцев назад

NT Wright is brilliant. 👏👏👏

@davidoliver2418 18 дней назад

I think it's sad how many of these coments throw stones at Macarthur while simultaneously accusing him of throwing stones at Wright. It never ends.😣

@HM-vj5ll 3 года назад

Maybe a dialogue and or debate would be best for the edification of the saints….but what do i know.

@debbieapoldo1941 Год назад

MacArthur doesn't "dialogue". He can't. It's too "risky" for him to hear any other input than his own. Where there is fear, and I think he is a very fearful man, there isn't room for dialogue.

@savedchristian4754 Год назад

@@debbieapoldo1941 God was quiet when Jesus was abused and killed. Is it God's love for Jesus? Wright clown 🤡 goes around preaching that indifference as God's love for Jesus!!! 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

@jeffreyclaus9696 3 года назад

I agree with John here overall, but I don’t care for the straw-manning, hyperbolic vitriol. NT Wright is a brother in Christ. However, he talks out of both sides of his mouth on the atonement issue. To say that we shall abandon penal substitution cause folks don’t find it is offensive is ridiculous. Paul said preaching the cross would be offensive to the Jews and to Greeks foolishness. It really is the crux of the matter if Christ’s death on the cross did not provide propitiation for the sins of the world, then we are all lost. For him to say no one is justified until they reach heaven would be true, thankfully he is mistaken here. He has made some errors in exegesis and logic. We should never base on our understanding of truth on what the world thinks about what we believe.

@aq6927 2 года назад

Wright believes, and advocates for the forgiveness of our sins on the cross, and the declaration that one is right with God in his covenant through their belief and baptism.. Wright also believes in God distaste, wrath, anger, for the disorder and havoc people on God’s good order. His kingdom movement is about putting this disorder back in the right. As one that is in Christ, we are not simply saving ourselves from a spanking that God has so longed to give us but thankfully his son steps in the way, now we get to go to heaven when we die… Rather- Christ has come to inaugurate God’s kingdom movement to all nations, pronunciation for the forgiveness of sins of those that are in Christ Jesus. We are not to think of Jesus as our savior from a great spanking, but we are invited to see him as messiah of all, we being vocationed to bring his kingdom to Earth, being the salt and the light as his royal priesthood, living life in a new way, being properly and genuinely human in proper covenant with Holy God as we waiting eagerly for the renewal of all things

@rosiecunningham2490 2 года назад

INTERESTING! HOLY SPIRIT WE REALLY NEED DISCERNMENT IN THESE THESE DAYS!

@savedchristian4754 Год назад

× God was quiet when Jesus was abused and killed. Is it God's love for Jesus? Wright clown 🤡 goes around preaching that indifference as God's love for Jesus!!! 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

@HonorGod-MakeDisciples. 2 года назад

Jmac cannot even reconcile his own systematic got the guts to critize another mans teaching. Jmac wants to imprison man in fear rather than the good news that the kindness of God leads man in repentance.

@MattisWell.20 2 года назад

Makes you wonder who the real heretic is then, doesn’t it?

@SnapCracklePapa 2 года назад

Right and wrong are not determined by source, with the only exception being the bible. To get to the bottom of any issue requires one to find the answers in scripture. Wright too frequently relies on the intellect, history, intuition etc... He sounds a lot more like Christopher Hitchens than he does like the apostle Paul.

@uleesdg 11 месяцев назад

John MacArthur refutes NT with one verse after NT’s false comments about the Gospel. You removed it from this video, was that on purpose? This was the verse: “Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand,” (1 Corinthians 15:1, NASB) NT doesn’t agree with Paul the Apostle’s statement, that’s enough for me to reject anything/ everything he says.

@GabbyKunga 2 года назад

NT Wright doesn't get it right on this very issue of Atonement, though his BT perspective opens up enormous biblical insights on many issues. Manypeople follow his theological perspective at the expense of a personal relationship with Christ and faith in Christ.

@077jess Год назад

What the heck? John macarthur says what doesnt exist in the church today is fear. Where are the terrified people? This is exactly why so many people in this generation are deconstructing. Who wants to be apart of a religion that is based on fear and the sinner being terrified? I lived this way for many years. It was awful and pure misery. It is no way to live.

@TheHoschman Год назад

Sometimes the problem is between the headphones and not the music they are playing. 😉

@inTruthbyGrace Год назад

I mean..... Wright _is_ an intense scholar and I may not really understand what he was saying about Romans 7 at the very end of this video but I *_DO_* understand 1John 4:18: "There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love."... a concept which is OBVIOUSLY lost on MacArthur: There is NO FEAR in love! What a creepy dude MacArthur is and how little he understands about the love of God which is in Christ Jesus to pervert God's love like that! Wow how evil to recast the MOST loving act in all of HISTORY in the utter darkness of fear!

@remalim9471 Год назад

NT is the superior scholar.

@leefury7 Год назад

N.T. Wrong? It's. not just Johnnie Mac who has come to this conclusion. R.C. Sproul, James White , Wayne Grudem, Derick Thomas and other notables who also have videos arriving at the same conclusion. Someone here in the comments stated that Wright requires someone with a high degree of critical thinking to understand just what he is espousing. I read him in the '80's. What he writes today not only confuses what he wrote back then but contradicts it. He obfuscates the gospel. That is NOT how the gospel origins are presented. Yes, the gospel is not simplistic. However, it is simple. I just finished a 2 wk study on the inclusio, "descended into Hades." I know what mystical confusion is. I fear that is the avenue that N.T. W. has now taken. He is a brilliant man. But that doesn't equate to mean he isn't confused or confusing.

@tweezy5804 Год назад

Man, how many people have the same story, " I used to Love John Mcauthor and now I don't , because of this reason , this reason, this reason, it is kind of sad, I just can't watch him anymore at all, he comes across as a bitter man, who disagrees with everybody in the Christian Religion , he lacks humility, grace, and tears the Christian Faith apart. I wished his eyes could be open and change some of his preaching habits. I think Calvanism as a whole has had a huge part in it, but it is something else within him that just comes across as soo unforgiving.

@NorrisJohnsonii 3 года назад

John MacArthur is always ignorantly attacking people.

@duncescotus2342 Год назад

Theories of atonemtent are ALL correct and ALL inadequate individually. The Wikipedia article is pretty good. There's 3 or 4 main ones: "Atonement in Christianity, in western Christian theology, describes beliefs that human beings can be reconciled to God through Christ's sacrificial suffering and death.[6] Atonement refers to the forgiving or pardoning of sin in general and original sin in particular through the suffering, death and resurrection of Jesus,[7][8] Throughout the centuries, Christians have used different metaphors and given differing explanations of atonement to express how atonement might work. Churches and denominations may vary in which metaphor or explanation they consider most accurately fits into their theological perspective; however all Christians emphasize that Jesus is the Saviour of the world and through his death the sins of humanity have been forgiven,[9] enabling the reconciliation between God and his creation. Within Christianity there are, historically, three[10] or four[11] main theories for how such atonement might work: 1. Ransom theory/Christus Victor (which are different, but generally considered together as Patristic or "classical", to use Gustaf Aulén's nomenclature, theories, it being argued that these were the traditional understandings of the early Church Fathers); 2. Satisfaction theory developed by Anselm of Canterbury (called by Aulén the "scholastic" view); 3. Moral influence theory, a concept that had been developed by the time of Enlightenment, which Aulén called the "subjective" or "humanistic" view and considered to have been anticipated-as a critique of the satisfaction view-by Peter Abelard. 4. Other theories include recapitulation theory, the "shared atonement" theory[12] and scapegoat theory. Additional views include the governmental view, penal substitution view, and substitutionary atonement" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atonement The reason penal substitution is inadequate is because Jesus doesn't stay dead and he isn't forced to die; he freely gives up his life. Now, he is the Lamb of God, and in all blood sacrifice is a penal substitution. Otherwise the sacrifice is somewhat meaningless. But for Calvinists to demand a strict penal substitutionary view of atonement AND limit the extent of its effects is very wrong-headed. One drop of Messiah's blood ought to suffice to pay for sins. He's God in the flesh after all!

@gogoukipgen9758 2 года назад

John reputation is done here, very unintellectual counter. pride owning his understanding are truth.

@edgarvaga3085 Год назад

N.T. Write is a man of God, he studies deeply to understand the scriptures! J.M needs to study more deeply because the scriptures doesn’t present gospel as human laws but one with love.

@RayRod1965 3 года назад

Problem with NT Wright is that he is the one who is thinking in terms of our contemporary culture and angst and then tries to soften the answer in the Bible by his 'nuance' or 'middling' position as if that the church fathers and Reformers does not know the language of violence which is also current in their times. It is better to get the interpretation of the language of Scripture in their NT time -and tries to explain it how to apply it to our time -which local church pastors are doing in comparison to university scholars. I dont mean that pastors should be always be educating themselves on theology and communication.

@matthewmencel5978 2 года назад

what contemporary cultural terms/ The contemporary culture dosn't think in terms of believing loyalty, vocation, judges, kings, vocations, and the like.

@robertbruce1552 2 года назад

They just need to have a beer together.

@savedchristian4754 Год назад

% God was quiet when Jesus was abused and killed. Is it God's love for Jesus? Wright clown 🤡 goes around preaching that indifference as God's love for Jesus!!! 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

@paulpaulsen7245 7 месяцев назад

Among women, this would be called "bitching", and among men with bruised egos, it seems to be a turf war that is often fought among "cultured" theologians via the so-called "rabies theologorum = fury of theologians". Unfortunately, this happens especially in religious debates, which is probably why discussing "religion & politics" is not welcome in certain places. Good John McArthur is probably pissed off because an equal opponent isn't talking his way, isn't he? It certainly seems that way! I find McArthur's reaction ridiculous and deeply disrespectful! Why does this witness of Christ come right out with a hammer and claim that the New Testament scholar is "going to hell"? Has McArthur perhaps forgotten that biblical texts can be understood in different ways & that God always seeks the good in people? A very impressive example is Rom 8:28, where God allows ALL things to work together for good: οἴδαμεν δὲ ὅτι τοῖς ἀγαπῶσιν τὸν θεὸν πάντα συνεργεῖ εἰς ἀγαθόν! But maybe it was just a misunderstanding? Hahaha, now hear this joke: Misunderstanding Between Husband And Wife... A wife comes home late one night and quietly opens the door to her bedroom. From under the blanket, she sees four legs instead of just her husband's two. She reaches for a baseball bat and starts hitting the blanket as hard as she can. Once she's done, she goes to the kitchen to have a drink. As she enters, she sees her husband there, reading a magazine. He says, "Hi darling, your parents have come to visit us, so let them stay in our bedroom. Did you say hello?" Kindest regards from a German retired Lutheran minister.

@dennisrozario7349 3 года назад

All theologians and Christian Evangelists must/should study the books of the Bible of Roman Catholic, Greek Orthodox and Ethiopian Orthodox (which are removed from the Lutheran Bible ) then try to sly other theologians/academicians. Who gave the right to Martin Luther to remove the books of the Bible ? His arrogance I guess. N T Wright is academician and theologian hence is knowledge of scripture is better than prosperity gospel preachers.

@franciscafazzo3460 Год назад

When MacArthur honest enough to say where's the fear where's the dread where is that in the book of Acts I mean if she teach her to dread God when do you know he's no longer an angry God I mean how do you teach second Corinthians is he reconciled is he giving his son I mean I think dread is something that I have but I don't want to have it

@krakenhuevos3972 2 года назад

I was hoping JMac would refute Wright’s position instead of just calling him a heretic without telling us how he’s wrong.

@robertranits9699 Год назад

settle down, JMac

@JimKillion Год назад

JMac is one of my resources as part of my teaching preparation. However, regarding NT Wright, he (JMac) is so far off base it isn't funny. Indeed, if he were honorable, he'd invite NT for a face-to-face discussion. And I would pay to see that.

@ta3p-theannex3project84 2 года назад

John Macarther panics, is a better title of this video. 🤔

@debbieapoldo1941 Год назад

John MacArthur and others like him suffer from the "sin of certainty" and this sin manifests itself in a complete unwillingness (and it is an act of the will) to honestly and with theological integrity engage biblical study that includes examination of translation issues, the complexity of Paul's theology, the context in which the Gospels and Epistles were written and the issues they were addressing and on and on. It is rich, that MacArthur accuses N.T. Wright of pridefulness in his teaching. It's been a while since I've seen pridefulness of certainty so fully on display as with this clip of MacArthur. If he doesn't acknowledge "mystery" in God's ways, he himself has put God into a Western Enlightenment shaped box in which "fear, terror, torture", etc. (to use MacArthur's words) are the essence of faith. Not a very helpful "gospel" for a world that is in desperate need of "Kingdom bringers" (to coin an N.T. Wright phrase).

@GabbyKunga Год назад

Wright seems to explain the panal substitution at the end of this video (this he clearly rejects though). His understanding of atonement only explains what justification mean for the whole Israel, then for the whole humanity. He needs to say something on what it means for individuals. He might avoid this as western ideology of individualism. However, the Bible (Jesus and the apostles) actually dealt with this in their teaching and ministries.

@tedcrilly8411 Год назад

I believe the Jesus preached in the USA is more and more a different Jesus to the bible!

@sdm101869 2 года назад

JohnnyMac 3:16 for God so hated the world he killed his only Son

@Theoldmanandthesea13 2 года назад

Jmac you make me scratch my head.

@savedchristian4754 Год назад

) God was quiet when Jesus was abused and killed. Is it God's love for Jesus? Wright clown 🤡 goes around preaching that indifference as God's love for Jesus!!! 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

@Theoldmanandthesea13 Год назад

@@savedchristian4754 ha?

@savedchristian4754 Год назад

@@Theoldmanandthesea13 What's your point?

@Theoldmanandthesea13 Год назад

@@savedchristian4754 i should be asking you that

@savedchristian4754 Год назад

@@Theoldmanandthesea13 Didn't God hate Jesus in order to forgive us free of cost?

@lawrence1318 2 года назад

Jesus went under the hammer of the law to prove to the Spirit that He would never hold the law over his wife, but would treat her as being equal with Himself. On this basis then the Spirit could enter His wife, which would then result in her bringing forth Christ (fruits) unto God. So the death of Christ was not to pay for sin, but to prove to both the Father and the Spirit that the Son was worthy to receive the Father's daughter's hand in marriage. For we were precious to the Father, and the Father would never give us away to anyone who would ever condemn us or hold anything against us. And so praise God that a wonderful husband was found for us, the Son of God, who would love us just as much as His Father did. And so He has indeed made us worthy, and we are His glory. And thus it is written that "the woman is the glory of the man".

@deborahgrantham7387 2 года назад

N t Wright is a theologian that studies archeology, the old languages, the ancient cultural context of Hebrew and Greek. The translators of the Bible did the best they could with that language as they understood it. Since then new discoveries such as the Dead Sea scrolls and many manuscript’s of books of new testament. There has been many archaeological discoveries that reveal languages of the time and what those words the meant to the Jews and surrounding cultures of that time. The Trinity remains the same, the purpose of the story is the same. Can we not learn more about the Bible without it being a threat to the traditions of the church? Sounds like the Pharisees, the Catholic pope, the Jewish Rabbis. The Bible truths supersede what we value as “rules” or traditional views of the Bible. I don’t enjoy listening to Wright but I do enjoy the Bible Project as it’s the same theology and not as wordy. MacArthur is very set on the traditional western cultural view of the Bible interpretation.

@1oxyoke Год назад

John MacArthur is exactly right about N.T. Wrong. I disagree with MacArthur about Calvinism but on the essentials of the faith and cultural issues he is biblically sound. He stands for the truth of the gospel and against error and false doctrine. The Bible says 1 Timothy 4:1 KJV Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Timothy 4:3 KJV For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; N.T. Wright is a heretic whose teachings should be rejected and his books burned.

@dynamicloveministries334 Год назад

John is simply slandering N.T. Wright

@MrBlockHead Год назад

Wow i’m litterally shocked by Macarthur when he talked about fear…

@savedchristian4754 Год назад

# God was quiet when Jesus was abused and killed. Is it God's love for Jesus? Wright clown 🤡 goes around preaching that indifference as God's love for Jesus!!! 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

@jwrsob Год назад

"The truth is not found in may words..." Proverbs 10:19. Wright has never been very straightforward in interpreting the Bible...instead he tells stories of what he believe the Biblical writer meant...instead of what they were saying to the audience at that time.

@allsaintslb Год назад

Johnny, you don't even come close to matching up or being able to debate or take on NT Wright!

@calvinmasters6159 Год назад

Wright's "God the bully" is a straw man argument. God's Wrath appears in the New Testament alone over 30 times. How do you sanitize that?

@lynnlewis9938 Год назад

God created a blood covenant (requiring literal sacrifices) with Israel in the OT, and a new blood covenant (via the sacrifice of Messiah Jesus) in the NT. It's God's law, containing His contractual terms. Neither man explains this. NTW uses too many broad terms and sidesteps 'literalism' (St. Paul had no such concern), while JM uses too few words (instead making some rather rude assumptions). Be a Berean and study all of Scripture for yourself. You don't need either of these guys. God's message is plain enough to understand for all who have received the promised Holy Spirit.

@jamesgomez1208 Год назад

Slow down the video and you will clearly understand that NT is presenting a new teaching… brothers beware… do not be persuaded by the flowery words, examine the contents, it sounds christian but it is clearly not

@OrthodoxJourney359 3 года назад

N T Wright = Hulk Smash

@contramundum2.0paradigmshi10 3 года назад

He obliterates the plain meaning of God's word in many ways, so that can be how that analogy works.

@diegovalleperez3360 3 года назад

@jamestrotter3162 3 года назад

If you belong to Christ, there is only one "law", the law of love. Love God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself. That can only be accomplished by the Holy Spirit working in the lives of those who have been born again, as He conforms us more and more into the image of Christ.

@ruaridhmunro403 2 года назад

NT Wright loves to paint a caricature of the view that God’s wrath was satisfied by the substitutionary death of Jesus Christ. NT Wright says sarcastically “God’s got a big stick and oh wow look who’s here, Jesus, I’ll just take out my wrath on him” as if the idea of God punishing His Son for man’s sin was a coincidence.. No one is saying that. NT Wright wants the Bible to speak? This is what the Bible says: “this Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God” (Acts 2.23), “He was chosen before the foundation of the world” (1 Peter 1.20). It’s pretty clear from scripture that Calvary was not some kind of accident by which Jesus got in the way “in the nick of time” - this was the eternal plan of God! Also, the wrath-turning sacrifice of Jesus is pretty clear to see too: “God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God” (2 Cor 5.21). What NT Wright fails to understand is the most basic of truths in the bible.. God must punish sin. The question remains.. who will bear it? If we are ever going to get into God’s presence we can’t have unresolved sin. It can ONLY be Jesus Christ who takes our sin as a substitute, *willingly*, on the cross. Really not rocket science.

@jonathanchen6489 2 года назад

Misunderstanding of atonement and substitution of Jesus.

@ruaridhmunro403 2 года назад

@@jonathanchen6489 Enlighten me

@savedchristian4754 Год назад

What is the sin that brought God's wrath on mankind? This is the question that CV proponents as Wright fear to answer.

@RVick-ws1xu 2 года назад

"Wayne Grudem on Justification and the New Perspective on Paul | Systematic Theology, 2nd Edition" (RU-vid) A rational and measured response to NT Wright without the heat.

@Theoldmanandthesea13 2 года назад

It is indeed paganism John Macarthur.

@fillflashdetailer8838 2 года назад

I think it's clear that MacArthur simply doesn't understand Wright's writing. He has no ability to critically examine positions that differ from his in a meaningful, respectful way.