“Three badges of excellence so that I never forget the worst day of my life.” That’s a fantastic line that perfectly sums up his character. Very Captain America like.
3 medals of honour normally that isn't a medal you pick up normally your family do that for you on behalf of you not being around anymore there's footage of a seal called John Chapman who saved his guys and lost his life while it was recorded from a helicopter guys hit multiple times and keeps moving
Finally, someone that is Pro-John Walker. The dude is a complex wreck mentally because of what he's trying so hard to do the right thing. After all he's been through. Now, can't wait to see him in his US Agent gear in the last episode!
I see a lot of people trying to pass judgment one way or the other. (Not saying you are. This just feels relevant) Saying whether John is a good man or a bad man. I don't think we have enough information to say one or the other. As far as the audience is concerned, he's just a man. We really don't have that much information about him. There's what we've been told and there's what we've seen. We've been told that he has some medals and he used to play football. He seems to have been that popular quarterback at his school if I remember correctly. We were told that he's been a good soldier for a long time and he knows what he's doing. It's evident that he has a number of people who care about him and they obviously think he's a good man. However, it's also heavily implied that the story of how he got those medals is complicated and morally gray. Then there's what we've been shown. He has good intentions. He wants to do the right thing. However, he's reckless, he frequently lets his emotions get the best of him, he's not great at taking criticism or following anothers lead, he's thoroughly plagued by self-doubt, and he's not incredibly solid under pressure. He wasn't ready for this and still isn't. I don't think it is right to assume any member of the audience knows if this version of John Walker is a good man or a bad man. He's just a man. The only thing I think I know for sure about him at this moment is that he's not Captain America. Which is okay. That's nothing to be ashamed of. Asking someone to be Captain America is asking A LOT.
John Walker represents the real world on how a good man is misunderstood. But people online busy fangirling Steve Rogers only abuse him for clout status. Mfs expect him to be exactly like Steve Rogers.
@@insfrankestein6641 He could have been. Hell, he could have been a modern day Steve, but he didn't get the chances, nor the enduring friendship or the help from the others. He was just thrown into combat, ready to take down people and everyone hated him because he wasn't Steve. And to top all that, the Govt just took away everything from him the second he returns home.
You really feel sorry for Walker. He's obviously trying the best he can to be a hero, to be a symbol to the people. Has all this expectation on his shoulders since Steve set such a high bar. Obviously has some PTSD from events that didn't end well, and see this as his chance to make things right... And he keeps getting the shit beaten out of him. Loses his best friend. Gets mocked by everyone. He broke himself trying to be something he wasn't.
@Ethan Fradkin because of his arrogance? He literally did what government asked for him in his entire life,Sam and Bucky hated him just because the government choose he to be Captain but at same time they (Bucky and Sam) support a girl who literally kill a bunch of people,Wakanda warriors literally try kill him before he try talk with them,he brother who stay with him in Wars was dead by a terrorist and people judging him and compares everything he does with Steve;he is a human too.
@Ethan Fradkin nop in the ep 2 before all he actions,Bucky and Sam already hated him,he literally say that will be more easy with the friends of Steve,god damn if you get of the ball of Steve in you mouth you will realize that he even try help Bucky with he psychology.
@Ethan Fradkin oh ok they are not open to be friend with him,but is okay be “friends” with a girl who literally burned live peoples with families and worst that girl have the serum who is the reason why Cap in Civil war don’t stay with Tony,boy they literally fight with super soldier of course that work together will be better to end this and don’t cause more deaths.
@@lowsodiumfreakz He killed a terrorist - a SUPER SOLDIER terrorist who, if the tables had turned, wouldn't have hesitated to kill him. A SUPER SOLDIER terrorist who, just moments ago, attempted to kill him by throwing a slab of concrete at him. A SUPER SOLDIER terrorist who never actually surrendered. There's an argument to be made that Captain America shouldn't serve as judge, jury, and executioner, but John was not in the wrong for neutralizing an active threat.
@@joeharm8141 we need the u.s agent to have his own solo movie and the main villain is red skull. Some people are asking why i choose red skull to be the main villain because he is one of the most powerful villains that captain America fought before and he symbolizes hitler who destroyed half of Europe in ww2. So that will take a hard task for john to save the world from red skull especially that he is so powerful now than when He was in ww2.
@Ethan Fradkin exactly the small mindset of obsessed people.. or should i saw small minds.. how many times have been a prick in your like and you won't have known that ever.. if a character turns bad it is exactly.because of people like you
@@enderdude7902 It's called "gaslighting". An unhealthy, psychologically manipulative behavior. It's meant to make the people you're talking to, and a portion of the audience in this case, see you as the victim. Presenting the false idea that you're not responsible for your own actions and attempting to make them feel guilty for your actions. I don't think he was doing that intentionally though. I think the idea was just his character being in a very mentally unstable place and saying random shit.
John Walker is such an awesome character that I'm not douchey enough to like but he's too relatable for me (military vet) to hate. They wrote him so well and Wyatt Russell OWNS this role.
Perhaps. Never met you to know. Personally I can sympathize with the traumatized war vet that wants to do the right thing, but was put into a situation that was way over his head. Especially seeing how the same folks that put him in that situation threw him under the bus like trash. That's what REALLY makes me want to root for him. I'm actually not too mad at him for wasting that dude. It wasn't the right thing to do, but I can't honestly say that watching my best friend/brother die in my arms wouldn't have my mind temporarily locked in on murdering anyone involved. I just dislike him because he's an arrogant passive-aggressive bully. Always trying intimidation tactics over compromise. One of those chest beating loudmouths with a knack for making bad situations worse. Some folks actually like that about him and relate to that. Doesn't necessarily make someone douchey, but it's pretty suspect.
@@lintonharvey560 > I just dislike him because he's an arrogant passive-aggressive bully. Always trying intimidation tactics over compromise. One of those chest beating loudmouths with a knack for making bad situations worse. Some folks actually like that about him and relate to that. Doesn't necessarily make someone douchey, but it's pretty suspect. I think that's a little unfair, the show spends a lot of time giving Walker real justifications for why he is the way he is. His PTSD and brutal military experiences cause him to resort to violence quicker, he's not just the school bully evil because he's evil trope, he's literally acting the way the US government built him to act. The huge pressure to not just be the next superhero but step into the shoes of one of the biggest pushed him to need to constantly prove himself, but he was getting beaten up and mocked by basically everyone around super soldier or not. Then the murder of the one friend that served as his moral centre and the serum, that he felt he had no choice but to take, just enhanced all those problems to the point he went completely insane. He's far less of a villain and much more a tragic figure that should be sympathised with
@Thomas Middleton His emotional instability and training to kill I get. I said all of that in the paragraph above the one you copied. But I ALSO remember him condescendingly referring to Sam and Bucky, an Avenger and guy with a museum exhibit in his honor, as "sidekicks"? How he casually ignores Sam's or anyone else's logic except Lamar's feeling it's okay to touch another person, especially a woman when there's open hostility in the air, (subtle establishment of dominance, that wasn't a gesture of friendship in that situation, it was a show of aggression. THAT'S why they whooped his a$$) The scene before he was trying to bait Sam, ANOTHER U.S. military vet that's fought Thanos 2x into a fistfight. (Should I put the shield down? Make it fair?) When challenged by his allies he becomes snarky, defensive and passive aggressive before becoming aggressive-aggressive. Even remarks in his interview with the reporter indicates that this guy's full of himself. He didn't learn any of THAT in the military. Those types are everywhere There are McDonald's shift managers that act like that. Those are the scenes the arrogant passive-aggressive bully come from. Trust and believe, I do sympathize with his grief and the military screwing him over. I never said he was unsympathetic or evil. Just unlikable.
“We were trying to be decent men in an indecent time.” Amazing how a famous movie quote from years ago can sum up such a good character so well. John tried to be what the world wanted, but the same world easily tossed him aside when he needed help emotionally and mentally.
@@yss_elaborate9969 Steve was not perfect. He had very little flaws but that doesn't mean he had none. For example, he hid the fact that Bucky killed Tony's parents.
@@yss_elaborate9969 that his strength: the fact he is like us. A Captain America like him could really exist in this world (obviously without the abilities provided by the serum)
@@enderdude7902 every one has flaw...Like Irom Man had a lot flaws.... But it’s like who has less flaws will be perfect... And You can't name a single character who has less flaws than Steve rodgers.
@@afif5401 Tommy Oliver understood what it was to be a Power Ranger not suits not superpowers it's what's inside you ahd our government fails to see you create these guys then brake them.
Honestly you can blame Bucky and Sam for walkers downfall. They bullied him treated him like shit. If they worked together I guarantee lemar would’ve survived Walker could’ve learned a thing or 2 from Sam about being cap
Bucky and Sam didn’t treat him like shit, they done the right thing fucking up John walker coz the serum changed him and he took someone’s life, holding up that shield that Steve Rogers used as a good influence a great symbol of America, John tarnished that symbol ,John needs to learn what it really means to uphold the mantle of being captain America, and until that time he will not bring getting the Shield ever again!
But I think that shows how good the story was written. Because Sam thought he just donated the shield to a museum or something. But then the government took it and created a new cap. That's part of the reason why Sam will not take John as an ally for sure. The govt literally stole it from Sam! John has said he's “kind of the government” too. Not to mention how important is the shield to Bucky.
So the character originally is supposed to embody the “ugliness” of patriotism/America like racism, violence, arrogance etc but in this show it’s so much more intelligently nuanced. He still represents that dark underbelly but in a more tragic way: John IS a good man. But let’s not forget, he’s a tool of a SYSTEM! The same system that Steve inevitably went against as well let’s not forget. Steve took the serum then became a soldier. John has seen the battles and traumas of war. Steve didn’t until he was already cap. He’s seen blood spilled and spilled blood. He’s been lauded as a hero but knows the stains on his soul in his private moments and it conflicts him how a SYSTEM that can ask you to be about honor but above all else to serve your DUTY to this nation then when the less glamorous aspects of that system are revealed, they treat you like a used rubber n toss you aside. Truth be told, the way he’s been done makes him a very very interesting character. Lemar was right about him. The serum made him more of who he is. A man who makes the right decisions in battle but above all else, John is a SOLDIER.
he is truly a better character here in the show. not just him, but also bucky and sam. I will not lie, this is the second marvel movie/series that made me crie, this time it was because of john walker and isaiah bradley. I am looking foward to John participate more in the mcu
People always see his flaws but they miss out how hard he tries to satisfy and live up to caps name that what they want is a captain america like steve Roger's.everyone has their own way of inspiring people and john would have his way too if people just gave him a chance to prove himself.he's only been in 4 episodes and he's already been through alot.alot of past traumatic exp,bestfriend death,govt pressure,bucky and Sam's hate towards him,him feeling very weak no matter how hard he trains.you have to understand why he took the serum,it was to live up to the name of captain America. Edit:i told yall mfking john Walker haters he's a guy with a good heart deep down.
@@whatever3563 idk if he is stronger then steve but he really tried his best.everyone expects him to be a captain America exactly like Steve that he cant do it his own way.everyone has their own style and people just want it exactly like steve Rogers cause they cant move on from the old captain america
I like Walker since ep1. People hated him because he was not Steve, and that’s the main thing. Dude just wanted to do his best, he is not perfect as Steve, but nobody gave him a chance. I give credit to his try, respects mate. And I can’t wait to see more of him as US Agent 💪🏼
"To them, you're just a freak, like me! They need you right now, but when they don't, they'll cast you out, like a leper! You see, their morals, their code, it's a bad joke. Dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be"- Reminds of this dialogue from The dark Knight.
@Ethan Fradkin i'd say he's an interesting character but need more time to be more flesh out just like Steve. People love to compare and when the conversation heat up they tend to put in extreme language, which i think is a bit uncall for.
Bucky got given the sasuke treatment and was nerfed into oblivion but tell me something tho how can falcon go toe to toe with super soliders now? Bucky knocks him out with a single punch in civil war 😂
One of the deepest developments and more relatables characters in the MCU. And fans trashed him completely because he wasn't boxed into the childish perception of a "good guy". That's a perfect example of when people don't judge something for what it is but for not be what they wanted it to be.
It always makes me sad when I’m reminded that the Netflix shows might not even be canon anymore because they were some of favourite parts of the MCU...
I see a lot of people trying to pass judgment one way or the other. Saying whether John is a good man or a bad man. I don't think we have enough information to say one or the other. As far as the audience is concerned, he's just a man. We really don't have that much information about him. There's what we've been told and there's what we've seen. We've been told that he has some medals and he used to play football. He seems to have been that popular quarterback at his school if I remember correctly. We were told that he's been a good soldier for a long time and he knows what he's doing. It's evident that he has a number of people who care about him and they obviously think he's a good man. However, it's also heavily implied that the story of how he got those medals is complicated and morally gray. Then there's what we've been shown. He has good intentions. He wants to do the right thing. However, he's reckless, he frequently lets his emotions get the best of him, he's not great at taking criticism or following anothers lead, he's thoroughly plagued by self-doubt, and he's not incredibly solid under pressure. He wasn't ready for this and still isn't. I don't think it is right to assume any member of the audience knows if this version of John Walker is a good man or a bad man. He's just a man. The only thing I think I know for sure about him at this moment is that he's not Captain America. Which is okay. That's nothing to be ashamed of. Asking someone to be Captain America is asking A LOT.
John Walker developed more as a character in a few episodes with little screen time than all of the Marvel's main roster did with a bunch of movies on them. Respect to the guy and his best friend Lemar "Battlestar" Hoskins. "Time to go to work."
Imagine how different things would be if Sam and Bucky had just accepted John's offer to team up. John probably will be less salty and learn his new hero life from their experience
It’s even more ironic when you consider that Sam’s speech to the GRC in the finale said “you can’t expect people to step up if you won’t meet them half way”, which is exactly what he and Bucky refused to do for John - Sam definitely didn’t follow his own advice If Sam reached out to John the same way he was reaching out to Karli, things definitely would have been different
ALL he needed was to be given a chance by those around him. That he was deserving of the title of captain America particularly after all the sacrifices he’s made for his country
John Walker is basically the story of many actors in real life. A person taking a role that would be a dream coming true for anyone on his place... yet having his life ruined by it. For example, Jake Lloyd.
ahh hollywood does this to alot of actors, they build them and then they destroys them just like jhonny depp. that man didn’t deserve what he got from disney
Honestly, he is one of the best villain/anti-hero character in the MCU. With a interesting character development arc and epic battles. In fact, his development arc is equally interesting as Bucky’s and Sam’s.
@@maxximusprime2970 he’s definitely had an arc in that his understanding of Cap’s legacy and his place in that and in the world in general has changed, but yeah John Walker’s arc is probably the most enticing in the series
@@joshuastepter7097 Personally, I think Bucky and Sam's character arcs are way more interesting. Super Soldier trying to deal with 70 years of brainwashing and PTSD. Black superhero trying to fight battles he can't just punch his way out of both socially in his superhero life and financially in his family life. While both of them try to recover from being magically disappeared for 5 years. Honestly, I don't love that they had to make it about race, but I understand why it is and I think their stories are much more interesting than dude struggling to replace a famous superhero. That's something I think I've seen a million times. It's just written differently this time. I mean, how many times have we seen someone try to replace Cap or Superman and fail because the order was too tall? His character is not bad, but it's not groundbreaking shit either. Frankly, I'm more intrigued by what Sharon is up to than I am by John. There's clearly more to her story right now than she has let on. All that said, what I really think is that they're doing a great job with the entire show.
@@premiumheadpats4150 good points 👏🏽👏🏽 I’m still a bit partial to John Walker’s narrative haha but I think you highlighted what’s interesting about the other characters’ arcs very well
He was the most Real Captain America we'll ever see. And despite of or perhaps even Because of, his very real flaws, the most truly and authentically heroic character the MCU will ever portray.
Enjoying this character so much! Marvel really improved their villians, made them much more humane. And also great job by mr. Russel, he really inherited father's talent!)
@@ia4773 Not really the same thing, the Flag Smashers INTENTIONALLY blew up a building knowing full well their were innocent civilians in it, while the Avengers had to do it or Ultron would've killed billions or possibly human extinction.
Felt really bad and sorry for walker, he wasn't a bad guy he was just trying his best to be the best captain america he isn't trying to replace steve he was just trying to be the best inspiration and hero to all but bucky and sam looked down on him and with lemar's death it changed him a lot also with the serum if we could all remember erskine said "Good becomes great, bad becomes worse" so walker was bullied and lost that made him this aggressive towards sam and bucky
@Ethan Fradkin people defending abusers, who get off on mentally beating down the underdog probably do the same irl. See, anyone can play your cheap blame game. Accountability for thee, but not for me, right ?
Just watched the final episode. I could not be happier for John walker and it makes me so happy that I have been rooting for him the entire way of the show believing that he can be a good person.
Let's all admit: if Walker had the same qualities Steve had, this show would be boring, it's better that they made him the opposite of Steve...world already had a Steve, so why having two?
That “Time to Go to Work” is so well done emphasizing his catchphrase! He’s got guts it’s a shame so many hate him when all he’s done is try to be something he’s not. I hope he finds peace.
I felt so so sorry for him but I’m glad he did the right thing in the end and now he has a legacy of his own to start can’t wait to see *The U.S Agent* In action
People act like they wouldn't do whatever John Walker did in such circumstances. Come on man he's just a normal guy trying to fill in big responsibilities and do the good job even after getting $hit and humiliated. One of the most underrated characters.
Anybody that would do what Walker did are telling a lot about their own egoes. Walker's ego was getting out of control. If he'd been a good teammate none of this would've happened. He said he wanted to work together with Sam and Bucky, then when they tried to work together he tried to force them to do things his way even threatening to beat Sam down just to get his way. His ego was out of whack already and the power from the serum just exaggerated it.
@@Itsjstlaw_ I was hoping Sam would decline the role and build his own legacy as the Falcon, handing the shield to Bucky who seemed to care about the role more. But then they had to come with the ol' bs at the end. lol
This is the real example where it is not the man who makes Captain America, but the title breaks the man to himself. He was a good military man, but not a hero. I don't remember Steve Rogers saying "I'm Captain America" all the time. He took it and did it, he didn't doubt himself. John Walker was constantly convincing himself of who he was now, believing he was doing everything right. He is an interesting and complex character. I see a good military man with PTSD who broke under a lot of pressure.
Gotta love how they didn't even intend for Walker to be a sympathetic antagonist and he just kinda tripped and fell into being a good character with depth. "Three medals of excellence so that I can never forget the worst day of my life" is such a stone cold line and it perfectly sums up why he thinks and acts how he does. His trauma is a very real one that a good lump of people could genuinely relate to, it doesn't feel forced or bullshitted because you would actually expect a war veteran to have at least some level of ptsd and can understand it, it's not some cliché garbage or nonsensical nothing, it's a real trauma that real people can actually have and sympathize with Walker because of that.
It’s so ass backwards that we’re expected to hate John Walker for killing a terrorist, but also sympathize with Karli while she’s killing innocent people.
I love how flawed John is. People hate on him but he’s one of the most realistic characters in the mcu. He isn’t a stereotype, he’s a flawed him like all of us and I love to see him in his different situations. Almost like if an average person became a superhero. John’s heart is in the right place, he is just a soldier following orders
The weirdest part of this show was 1. How Sam dismissed and hated Walker even though he was a three time medal of honor recipient after he himself had worked with veterans with PTSD and 2. Walker killed a super soldier terrorist that wanted to kill innocent people and had just killed his best friend and immediately after a traumatic experience Sam and Bucky then try to disarm and attack him.
The only good character from TFATWS. Will forever annoy me Bucky wanted to fight Walker just minutes after Johns best friend was killed. Like, come on dude. He even tells them "you should probably go and get checked out at a medical centre, you two." Walker dropping the shield to try and save the truck full of people was the best part of the show, no lie.
John Walker character arc is so amazing ,for me he just stole the show by his acting of angerness and Brave.🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 Wyatt Russell is so perfect as John Walker ❣️❣️❣️❣️
Amazing video that captures the nuance and complexity of John Walker as a character! 👍 He has easily become one of my fave characters and the way they’ve written him is so brilliant, elevated even more by Wyatt Russell’s magnetic performance! ❤️
I like how at first people hated him but then you could sympathise him a bit, a man doing his job but only to be betrayed and looked down upon for doing the job given to him
This is wonderfully edited to capture his place in such a universe and his struggles. I find walker such an intriguing character, he's no vilain or hero, just a soldier trying to do his job, and this captured his arc perfectly! Great job!
Sam, who is canonically someone that helps vets with PTSD, would rather selfishly take the shield from Walker after his best friend’s death. Also, Sam refers to his wingman as such in his first appearance, explaining that he lost a good friend and fellow soldier. Then he gets pissy about being called a wingman by Walker.
Finally watched the show and I can't wait to see more of him. I remember reading that Wyatt Russel got hate messages for his role, but he did a damn good job with his role.
Just shows you just how powerful narrative is. If they jad shown one of those hydra agents having a family or q sick daughter that he is risking life and limb for it would be entirely different. But it's easier to just watch a cool scene wheb it's just a faceless mob fighting
YALL HAVE YOUR OPINIONS. I find John Walker way more interesting and having far more depth then Steve ever did as a person. He’s complex, has layers of layers of backstory to be told, and was abandoned by his country for doing what they trained him to do. He’s far more human and relatable as well.
Walker and Karli were such phenomenal foils for people who wanted to help others but took a wrong turn. His final redemption while she falls to her grief made that finale so compelling.
@Yashua Fradkin Was referencing the scene from the latest episode where he chooses to save people over chasing Karli. Also the "people" he killed tried to full nelson him so Karli would stab him. Also is literally a terrorist.
@Yashua Fradkin out of revenge But it’s ok to obviously hate him for this, yet in my opinion, many would at least take one of them down. But since he was captain America, it wasn’t right because well, for captain America, it’s wrong
@Yashua Fradkin Steve and sam killed a lot more people than John. Sam killed 10 people in ep 1 like its nothing. And people like u had no problem with that. Most of the Steve Rogers fanboys are dumbass retards and straight up hypocrites who will find any shit excuses to hate a character.
I don't know about that, I think the show did a good job in showing why he wasn't well-suited to be Captain America as a symbol. But he was definitely a more interesting version of Cap than Sam is (who is like the much less charismatic version of Steve). Chris Evans has a charm to him that made a potentially boring character come across as so genuine that you couldn't help but like him, Anthony Mackie really doesn't bring that to the table sadly (few actors have that X-factor). So I would have been here for them doing something different with Captain America instead, and we certainly got that with John Walker which is why he was so interesting. He also had the better character arc in that he moved beyond the need to be Captain America to become his own hero, so he has the more compelling story arc moving forward. While Sam will now forever be in Steve's shadow since he can never live up to him as a person or as a character in a story considering how loved Steve is by audiences. So yeah that's kind of awkward for him, they put Mackie in a bit of a weird position here (although I'm sure he's laughing on his way to the bank). But right now he's just kind of there in-universe, I don't really know anyone who is particularly excited about his future in the MCU. But we'll be there for his future appearances in shows/movies because it's the MCU, but they set him up to fail a bit there in the eyes of fans. I find people to be far more excited about future appearances of John Walker as US Agent in the future which says a lot.
