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there seems to be misunderstanding only insane people hated walker the rest of us spotted the bullshit when the episodes came out we respected walker more than bucky and falcon who actually claimed that terrorists are just misunderstood
There's a video of a army veteran analizing John Walker and everything that happens with him. Not just the writers got a lot of stuff wrong about how the US military works, but also pointed that the terrorist he killed was justified, because he was a threat to everyone around him with just his fists since super soldiers can kill normal people with a single punch.
😂 Im glad i wasnt the only one that thought they wrote this show badly. Forcing us to think the terrorists are good and turning the winter soldier into a chump while making the competent soldier into the bad guy was terrible. The red head girl was so unbuyable that it made me shake my head.
One thing I hate is that Carli bombed a building full of innocent people, Killed John's Childhood friend and Committed even more horrible acts of Terrorism but Sam and Bucky think she's just misunderstood but John kills 1 Terrorist and he's a Criminal. That just makes no Sense to me!
Walker went after the people who murdered his friend and countless innocent people because they were to lazy to get jobs. Even whn the media turned on him he went out into the public eye to save the senators. He avenged countless inmocents, was a war veteran, and even did more just a few days of training with that shield. Even if you could argue he isn't worthy of the title of captain america he acted more like capt then Bucky and Sam did. At least Walker actually didn't give up the shield.
Wandavision: - "she put thousands of innocent people in danger" +"And it could have been thousands more if she didn't stopped herself" FATWS: "no you cant kil this highly dangerous super terrorist with multiple murder chargers, thats bad! Although the avengers have already killed multiple enemies in the past"
Both me and my dad loved Walker, and we've actually read the comics. Walker was a very different character in the comics, and was never Captain America. He was always US Agent. So them making him Captain America first was weird but whatever. Then when they kept trying to make the terrorists (Whose names I can't even remember, but they're terrorists so whatever) sympathetic after they murdered innocent people was god awful. I don't care what you fighting for, you never kill innocents. Then when Walker killed the dude who killed his best friend, a United States soldier in cold blood, he was totally justified in killing the terrorist, WHO MURDERED INNOCENT PEOPLE, or at least was complicit. The Army would've debriefed him, and the conclusion would've been, "Yep, he was in the right. He killed a terrorist who was a threat to innocent civilians and had killed one of our soldiers. Take some time to grieve Captain, before your next assignment." They could have written it as Walker being traumatized by his best friends death and giving up the shield, as he feels like he can't be Captain America, and then Falcon gets the shield. But that's to complicated ig.
Here's the reason bucky should have had the shield. He needed the redemption. As you put it, he spent years as an unwilling and brainwashed assassin, being public enemy number 1, and had served with captain America for years. He definitely needed to wear the stars and stripes in order to change his public image. Not to mention that I doubt he would have ever given up the shield, knowing and respecting what bit represents. That said, I have nothing against another character inheriting the shield, but for falcon, it just felt weird. Like there was no build up, rhyme or reason, and kinda felt forced.
Steve and Bucky were in WWII. Sometimes on Black Ops missions and sometimes on the front lines (Wolverine was part of the squad in some continuities). They have more bodies under them than probably everyone else in the Avengers. I can’t remember if Falcon ever saw combat overseas before he became an Avenger. But the man is military trained. ALL OF THEM ARE! Guess how they train you in the military, TO KILL THE ENEMY! Not to hurt them and not to wound them, KILL THEM! But somehow they magically forget about all that and act like they’ve never killed anyone before. Walker is a soldier at his core and a damn good one. He shouldn’t of been punished for doing what he was trained to do. I liked the show until I stopped watching and started thinking. Also, people wanted Bucky to get the shield because in some of the comic communities it’s passed over to him.
@@sirxanielben Nah, I get it. I agree with that. I also agree with your point that Falcon has no reason to get mad because Walker became the next Captain America since he's the one who gave the shield to the government. Bucky is understandable, but Sam infuriates me.
in first avengers movie steve straight up shoots badguys with assault rifle - that felt the most realistic way of portraying steve throwing shield would be useless so he just grabs a gun in winter soldier sam says he was flying special rescue missions and clearly is skilled with firing two submachineguns while using the wings so sam getting angry that walker killed a terrorist is not only out of character but straight up stupid
@@ryszakowy I think the point was that because they are heroes they would rather arrest them and keep them alive, especially if they can incapacitate them without playing executioner. Those example were more serious situations
@@JDog2656 That is why I dislike modern day heroes. I'm more of the antihero type. The ones who do the necessary evils to keep people safe. Batman used to make me mad that he never killed Joker. Until I watched 'Under The Red Hood', then I understood more clearly as to why Batman doesn't kill. But everyone else doesn't have a good reason. The whole "heroes don't kill" thing is stupid. Give me more characters like Punisher, Arsenal, and Red Hood.
@@sirxanielben From the standpoint of irl terrorist sympathizers? Yes. A lot of marvel's writers have a similar mindset as those young people screaming genocidal slogans in support of Hamas.
This show was such an "L" for the MCU: the plot was so contrived in order to preach to the audience when they could have built something cool based on the buddy cop dynamic that we saw with the title characters in the films
Captain America and battlestars relationship in the show was something akin to brotherhood, and being a guy who has a little brother if somebody with super strength broke their neck and kill them and they were a terrorist believe me I would have done the same thing.
This whole show was like watching a parent choose the wrong favorite child, or watching the worst employee become your manager. And the political bias was legitimately scary, I'm politically neutral, so when one side's views are blatantly on display in a film series that used to stay politically neutral, it becomes genuinely nauseating.
I agree, using real world modern politics in a series can be a real detriment if not used with a neutral eye. This show really had potential and was thrown away for reasons I can't wrap my head around, bring back escapism!
Yeah this show was all sorts of terrible. Sam is a selfish ahole who sees the worst in people, the exact opposite of cap which is only an issue because they want to give falcon the legacy of cap. Bucky never gets a chance to get his point through to sam. Somehow the idea of the best friend of captain America wanting to save his friend's legacy after he sacrificed everything to give bucky a chance to rebuild his legacy just completely whooshes past falcon. Then the whole issue of a black man being captain america because then he would be in service of a country that he feels hates him once again falls flat in execution. And i feel like the common reason behind all of this is because the show at its heart doesn't understand Captain America as a character. A guy who leads by example, doesn't like bullies where ever they come from and is willing to fight for the innocent. He's really simple in that he's a beacon for what people should strive for so when they try to create their answer to what captain america should be like its no wonder how they got it all wrong. Sam is his own character so he shouldn't nor has to operate just like steve but if he was the person steve thought he was he would have his same values in some manner. But this falcon...is just a stranger
I remember watching the show as it aired as the hate was spewing out for John Walker. But realistically was going through my head was “John Walker is basically what if punisher had the mantle of Captain America“
I think it's hilarious that the moment he got bad press, America didn't fact check it, that he was fighting terrorists and his best friend literally was just murdered, and that guy did it, America just dropped him. If he didn't make them look good they had no use for him. It was all about the reputation. As usual, America lets down it's veterans.
The irony of people being angry at an officer from Ranger Batt(which is a SOF unit that is known for Direct Action Raids and are known for working directly with CAG). Would be funny if they weren't trying to make him look bad, his entire adult life was killing terrorists how was this surprising or seen as negative?
I always hated the way the show and many viewers treated Walker (and his freaking actor?? Seriously??). There is also that one scene in which Bucky, Falcon and Walker have Zemo when suddenly the Dora Milaje show up, aggressively and arrogantly throw around accusations and beat up Walker just because he asked them what they were doing. They claim they came to lock Zemo back up, but they immediantly resort to violence, fight his guards and let Zemo escape. The scene where Walker killed the terrorist was somewhat plausible, an american soldier killing a man who has already surrendered and pleads for mercy in public would *always* mean public outrage, at least initially. The people around had no idea that that man was a terrorist, killed innocent people, had super human strength etc., they just saw a man pleading for mercy get brutally murdered. The military and the government should have supported him though. Overall great video, but communists in America? Come on, thats just ridiculous.
Walker is a character who would have signed the Sokovia Accords. That's the difference between Steve's morals and Walker's and why Walker didn't deserve to be cap
I don’t disagree, but Walker wasn’t given a fair chance in the series is my point, and one could argue that Steve breaking away from the team caused more harm than good, I’m not the one arguing it but you could lol
@@sirxanielben he wasn't given a chance because he was already morally corrupt compared to Steve. Sure they were both soldiers but my point was that Steve put what was right first while Walker put what the government wanted first. Sam and Bucky knew full well what that meant and that's why they didn't give him a chance
@@rozohwell I think for him the reason he came off that way because he was given a bad hand from the beginning, Imagine having to take up the mantle of one of the greatest heroes of the last two generations? He was cracking under pressure the entire runtime, him and Steve had similar feats ( jumping on grenades) but the moment that separated them was when John was at his lowest, he didn't have a real support group to fall back on, and was villinized for a reasonable lapse in judgement, and the duo didn't even give him a chance, imagine the sweep they could have accomplished as a team, Im just upset that we lost out on a small scale impromptu "avengers" team up
You completely bypassed Walkers his attitude during the entire series. Walker never wanted to work with Bucky and Sam, he wanted in Walker’s own words “Sidekicks”. That’s why they didn’t like him, he portrayed himself as better than they were because he was Cap. Regardless if he thought he deserved it or not that’s the image he gave off.
I love how some people accused Marvel of making John Walker a prick for political reasons. But those of us that read the comics, especially when he first appeared, they made him WAY less of a crazy Asshole then his OG or even current comics depictions.
Captain america would’ve just died at the hands of bucky when he was still under hydra control you’re not giving the Captain America perspective of what was being done Captain America wouldn’t execute someone surrendering by any means Captain America wouldn’t justify his actions on the subject because either way he was wrong for the death of another but the whole he shouldn’t be Captain America bc it not what Steve wanted is right Sam did what Captain America would’ve have done tried finding common ground and/or finished the mission with his life
Male Protagonists In ‘Current-Day Media’ Is portrayed as “Emasculate.” Woke-Identity Politics will ensure that we ‘Men’ will stay “Weak” unless there’s a paycheck behind It or fan outrage that Is big enough for these corporations to speak, and make the decisions needed through unwillingness and lack of care. John Walker Is good example of character that Is masculine, but had shortcomings that made him a least-liked character by many In Falcon and the Winter Soldier. And for ‘Us’ we “The People” need to realize that we all have flaws within ourselves. And that should be the focal point for how these characters should be written In these Movies and TV-Series. There’s people out there who are suffering from PSTD whether It’s a traumatic experience from your Childhood or fighting on enemy lines In War. This should be addressed more while not taking away from the action and the plot that drags It along In a story. With proper execution, John Walker along with Falcon and Bucky could’ve been written better. And would’ve been a worthy successor to Captain America: The Winter Soldier.
You kill a surrendering prisoner on camera, you’re fucked. Double fucked if you’re wearing Cap’s uniform. You can justify it any way you like. It’s nonsense. Remember, Cap caught Zola right after he’d arranged a trap that led to Bucky’s death. Zola didn’t have a bruise on him when the general came to interrogate him. Cap has control of his emotions. John does not. Even if cutting him completely loose seems harsh, they had very good reasons to do so. So he’d be open to Valentina’s offer, for one. Because, as she said, she doesn’t need a Captain America. He might have gotten off easy.
