That was a nice touch, but it somehow diminished the stakes in my eyes. Everytime Wick faces someone that could have killed him swiftly, he gets many free unwarranted chances until he finally beats them (it happened here and versus Dacascos).
Okay i get why a lot of people dislike this fight scene, its clear Cecep and Yayan are on another level, but Keanu only started doing martial arts in his 30s when the Matrix movies come out. I also think the choreography reflects this pretty well, John realizes there's no way he'll match them for speed or technique so he resorts to grappling and keeping them off their feet as much as he can. He capitalizes on his larger frame by using his reach to keep them off of him and his weight to slam into them
WUT? REALLY ARE THEY REALLY HOLDING BACK? If this calculated in real life john wick should be dead now but according to protagonist he would be dead as soon as the enemy had direspect to him but it's just contradiction
@@fathmubina Oof keanu sees the martial arts like that in real life :wtf is this speed??? All Indonesians:it just fast as playing with bullets in TNI and catch them all
Yg Bilang "Masa Kalah Padahal Berdua" Broooo Inget Ini Film John Wick Dan Si Keanu itu Pemeran Utamanya😂 Kalau Si Keanu Mati Di Scene itu ya Habis dong Filmnya😂
@@byakugan641 Watching John Wick with GF is not really a good idea, in my honest opinion. When I watched John Wick 2, there was a woman who was so shocked at the scene when John killed two assassins with pencil. And later she just couldn't take it any more and had to quit accompanied by her boyfriend. That scene can be traumatic for people especially female who are not suitable for gore and hardcore violent theme.
I understand now. Mad dog survive 'The Raid' then escape the police by going to New York and became a street chef. Most likely he tries to open a 'Sate House' first but change his mind when he meet Zero.
I remember that I was on a holiday with my family to travel in Jakarta, Indonesia and my mom were planning to watch John Wick with my dad at the cinema. She couldn't invite me and my sister with them since it's an adult movie so my sister and I just stay at the hotel room, just watching RU-vid with the hotel's wifi. When I turn 19, I later find out that Cecep Arif Rahman is Indonesian and was happy to see an amazing Indonesian celebrity on John Wick movie. I'm actually half-indonesian. I'm glad to see people in the same nationality as me appear on the movies and even understand what he and Yayan said since they spoke Indonesian language.
Keduanya menunjukkan respect, maka John Wick juga menunjukkan hal yang sama... Memang jika melihat disini Keanu Reeves kurang optimal bertarung dengan tangan kosong, tapi kalau dipikir-pikir yaa wajar dia sudah berantem dari awal dengan banyak musuh... Tapi apapun itu nikmati saja koreografi nya, meskipun agak kurang greget sih... Hehehe... Buat Kang Cecep dan Kang Yayan, luar biasa, tembus Hollywood...
harusnya sebelum syuting keanu traning dulu di Uwais Team, biar bisa ngikutin kecepatan gerakan yayan sama cecep.. disini koreo fightnya kurang greget, juga pengambilan gambarnya yang masih kurang.. film the raid, come for to us harusnya bisa dijadikan refrensi sutradara.
di scene ini gua jadi bener2 kagum dengan film THE RAID sudut pengambilan dan suasana petarungannya bener2 greget bukan mau memandingkan tapi itulah kenyatannya
@@AyiHeb hand camera bro. Jadi sutradaranya megang kamera pake tangan sendiri, klo disini fixed camera kyknya. Jadi kameranya udah di set ga berubah-ubah
@@AyiHeb aduuuh. He said "benar2 kagum dengan film The Raid". pengambilan gambar The Raid itu keren bgt, ga cutting sana sini, jadi feelsnya dapet bgt, itu salah satu istimewanya The Raid, combatnya itu lho. That's why orang bilang The Raid 1 adalah film action yg bisa ngasih feels horror juga, merinding dan semua emosi dan fight scenenya dapet bgt film The Raid 1 dan 2.
Here are few trivia 1. Cecep Arif Rahman and Yayan Ruhian, who appear as Shinobi 1 and Shinobi 2 respectively, revealed in an interview that their Indonesian dialogue during their fight with John Wick in the glass structure was not in the script. Director Chad Stahelski thought that since the fight is quite long and consists of several rounds, it might be good to have them talk to each other between rounds and he also insisted that the dialogue be in Indonesian. After the fight, Keanu Reeves suggested that John Wick say something like a farewell phrase to the Shinobi duo in Indonesian language, as John Wick in all three movies is depicted as able to understand and speak multiple languages, at least casual conversation. Reeves then asked them, how to say "See you" in Indonesian. Cecep and Yayan said that in Indonesian it would be something like "Sampai jumpa," so Keanu then practiced before the shooting how to pronounce the phrase in Indonesian correctly. 2. The weapon used by Yayan Ruhian and Cecep Arif Rahman is called a Karambit, originally a weapon from the Minangkabau heritage in Indonesia. 3. In the original script, John Wick defeated the Ninja Warriors Shinobi #1 (Cecep Arif Rahman) and Shinobi #2 (Yayan Ruhian) and then killed them both. But when practicing the fighting scene, Keanu Reeves was so impressed with the duo's Silat fighting style that he asked director Chad Stahelski to change the script so that John Wick would just defeat them but let them live and they say "See you" to each other. This would give the chance (and hint) for the scriptwriters in the future to bring back the Shinobi duo if needed. Director Chad Stahelski agreed to Keanu's request and altered the fight scene as seen in the final cut. 4. Cecep Arif Rahman and Yayan Ruhian, who played the Shinobi Duo, in real life are real martial arts masters of Indonesian Pencak Silat fighting style. When they don't have acting jobs, they teach self-defense to the Indonesian Army Special Forces Unit, the Kopassus. 5. Cecep Arif Rahman speaks fluent English. He worked as an English teacher in elementary school before becoming an actor. Rahman translated the spontaneous Indonesian dialogue during the glass room scene so the director and crew could understand it.
Dude cmon John Wick is John Wick, The Raid is The Raid, we dont have to "compare" them.. ntar kalo niruin dibilang plagiat salah lagi 😂 udahlah masing masing director punya "rasa"nya sendiri.. jangan "dibandingin" dan disamain.. nikmati karyanya aja..
Mereka sadar pasar kita dan kang yayan ama kang cecep mang dah terkenal, klo dibikin jadi org asia yg bicara Inggris yg ada dihujat sama fans luar mreka juga
Just to let you know, Keanu has a legit martial art background (not as good as Cecep of course) and I would bet both of the Indonesia actors would not do so well against somebody who is bigger and also has legit martial arts background like Michael Jai White or Scott Adkins. So from the story point of view, somebody who got the skills of wick with a considerable size advantage, possibly can beat them.
@@beardedentity Scott Adkins definitely is the type of guy I don't want to mess with. Apart from his obvious professional martial arts background, his presence himself looks like he could've killed someone with ease.
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Mungkin kalo ada yang penasaran kenapa ini jatohnya kaya' friendly match, ada setidaknya 2 alasan: 1. Mereka tu fanboys-nya John Wick 2. Mereka cuma anak buahnya Zero, sedangkan Zero sebelumnya sempet bilang, "cuma aku yang boleh membunuhmu". Jadi Kang Yayan dan Kang Cecep tugasnya buat bikin John capek doang, biar bisa dikalahin Zero.
*Because I've seen what these guys could do in the Raid, it seriously ruined the scene for me... Cause these guys were only putting out half the effort so Keanu could keep up.*
In the raid the fights look more intense due to the framing, in this movie the frame was more still compared to the raid which is why it look awkward, because still frame can't really hide the delay that will happen due to the choreography, plus the size difference between the actors are really apparent so that doesn't help
@@rffg781 yeah because john wick isnt pro like those men. i can say those both men are nerfed. watch silat art attraction videos on youtube you will find they are really fast and they arent even as pro as those 2 men in the movie. sorry for my english, but i hope you understand what i'm trying to say
In perception by the movie, the two lose to John Wick first they underestimated him, second John used his size as advantage in the end. But in real life, I see those two have incredible speed and technique to quickly end the fight against Wick. Noticed many openings and holding backs
Thats yayan Ruhian and Cecip from both Raid films and Merantau etc. Indonesian chaps that started their own stunt and choreography classes and ended up in films. they are top level Pengkat Silat practioners
Well partically if john wick have his guns or pencil these scene would last in 20 seconds lol john is good at guns but kung fu or martial arts not much but these guys are very dangerous wick knows it so he grabs his belt to tie there hands
@ASAP.69 how lol well john wick is great shooter how the hell would they kill him when his few steps away john wick would have an idea to kill an enemy than people on raid those people are stupid as hell the main character would be dead if theres no plot armor the punch of mad dog he would be asleep in real life and no person know karate even jaka almost beat mad dog even tho he dont know kung fu or martial arts hes just using his defense punches of mad dog and kill him
It looks like realistic fight. Wick is so much bigger than them, so he use lock and throwing. Remember, they both might be small, but fast af, so playing offensive is a no go.
The way I see it, Yayan and Cecep were too afraid to swing their punches and kicks, since it's f*ckin Keanu Reeves 😂 If it's Iko Uwais, they would just kick his ass and then say sorry later. Lol. Edit: Sumpah ya, orang indo yg mau reply di mari. Kalo gak paham gak usah ngegas. Inti dari komen gw ini bilang kalo dua guru silat itu terpaksa harus gerak lambat karena lawannya Keanu, dia bintang besar tp ya beladirinya belum sejago kang yayan, kang cecep ataupun iko. Makanya ini gelutnya kurang greget. Takut kena. Coba kalo lawannya iko, kang yayan & kang cecep pasti gak segan2. Mereka bisa full power dan kalo si iko gak sengaja kepukul ya gampang bisa minta maaf nanti. Ampun dah, ngabisin energi aja gw ngejelasin kayak gini 🤦♀️
Three things I like about this 1. A real martial artist will want to beat an opponent at his best. Sure in combat you want to really hurt them bad or even kill them. But you want to do it while they are competently fighting you back. So in sparring sessions, you allow your opponent to warm up. If they have a previous injury, you either postpone the whole thing, or you make an agreement not to capitalize on the injured area. Otherwise you'd be a real pussy. 2. In this fight, the size and height advantage does not necessarily pay any significant advantage because there are 2 opponents, and they are quicker and more agile. Smaller and more agile opponents who keep moving are difficult to hit. Look at Pacquiao vs the bigger guys he fought. Especially Margarito. 3. Yes John is supposed to win, but not by outstriking them. As you can see, they do not even make Keanu's punches and kicks look fancy as compared to the two little guys. He is slower, and older (and they address this) so he has to use more grappling techniques to subdue their movement. Keanu is trained in many martial arts, but he is humble enough to admit that at his age he really could not do all that Jackie Chan stuff anymore. And that is what gives the fight a more realistic feel to it
This fight scene was totally spoiled by the incredibly slow and wooden movements of Keanu lol... you can literally see them waiting for his moves mid-action...
@@arthurmorganSUN I know he is slowing down, but guys like Jet Li, Jackie Chan, Jason Statham, Tom Cruise or Mark Dacascos (chef baldie in Parabellum) are his age or older than him and move way better. I think it has more to do with proper conditioning and exercising than with age, Keanu isn't working out well enough to pull these scenes as flawlessly as he could.
I seriously hope John kept them alive to help him to destroy the high table.The next movie John will be well protected if these guys in action.This is the real silat from Indonesia. SAMPAI JUMPA LAGI. BELUM PENCEN LAGI.
udah kaya pertarungan 2 guru beladiri dengan murid bandelnya yah..guru2nya pura2 mengalah..mudah2an di seri 4 atau 5 bisa diulang pertarungan lg dg john wick mampu mengalahkan keduanya dengan lebih meyakinkan
*This scene was really good... but the only problem is that I've seen these 2 actors in "The Raid" movies, and it kind of ruined it knowing these guys were only going at like 60% so Keanu Reeves could keep up. These guys were nuts in The Raid 2... They would seriously fuck anybody up.*
They have to slow down the movements of kang yayan and kang cecep because they have little screen time but they must be able to satisfy all of their fans. If the two of them fought like in The Raid, the scene would end in 1 minute
beda banget ya sama di film the raid. soalnya disini lawan mainnya orang barat jadi gerakannya lambat. mereka berdua jadi keliatan kaya nunggu. tapi overall udah bagus banget performa semuanya
Me gusta que esos actores de la Raid estuvieran en esta película, espero que Iko Uwais esté pronto en la próxima como una aparición sorpresa y aliada de John.
Tony Jaa e Iko Uwais estarán en The Expendables 4, Iko está luchando contra Jason Statham en esa película. la película se estrenará alrededor de septiembre
Never liked this scene, you can clearly see these Indonesians are real fighters with impressive skills and high speed vs an actor with slow and static movements. Just give John Wick a gun.
new patch information : *john wick nerf 1. decrease 50% movement speed 2. decrease 50% attack speed 3. decrease 50% basic/skill damage auto recovery cooldown increase from 5s to 40s
Menurut saya, adegan kang cecep kang yayan sama jon wick lumyan keren tapi kurang greget, karna besik nya jon wick tidak sama dengan silat, kang cecep dan kang yayan hanya terlihat tidak benar-benar mengeluarkan semua skil mereka itu seperti hanya 50%. di 1 sisi postur tubuh pun menjadi faktor yang mempengaruhi adegan.
Saya setuju sama perbedaan fisik terlalu jauh berpengaruh terhadap koreografinya. Kalo masalah skill ya kan ini scripted, uda diatur. Tapi saya nanya ke temen yang tau dan nonton dia bilang yang dikeluarin jurus asli. Dia juga bilang kan ini film bukan tarung beneran. Ya saya seh iya iya aja tapi masuk akal kayanya.
if you watch the raid and the raid 2... you will know yayan and cecep get slow down their move a lot for this fight.. and if you learn martial arts you will know, from his move, Keanu can't fight at the real life.
yg menghina keanu di kolom komen, actor dan atlet beda kemampuan ya bro jangan banding2in. kita harusnya dah senang dan bangga mereka pakai kang cecep dan kang yayan di film besar macam john wick jadi ga usah menghina dan membanding2kan.
these two Indonesian looks more like a pure fighter than an actor... their skill using traditional weapon 'Kerambit' looks really sync with east asian fighting style.