Johnny vs. The Legend of Zelda 

I'd say that's fitting punishment, I can't stand when someone calls Link "Zelda"

First after 6 years

First after 6 years

Funny thing is, that line isn't even a weird/bad translation, that's literally the same thing it says in Japanese.

XenoMorphic E I wish I could say that to that fucktard Egoraptor to his face.

The Indigo Bros. I have mixed feeling about Egoraptor. I love his Game Grumps playthroughs, but on the other hand, I feel that a lot of his sequelitis videos don't make a lot of sense.

XenoMorphic E Arin is an idiot.

Omar Elmosrati Sometimes, but most of the time, he's goddamn right.

Bucketninja No, not really.

kermit and sparkles I felt like there was no point to defeating ganon

+Krebons1200 That's why I think that it's good how Zelda games pay more attention to the story nowadays. I can't speak for everyone, but I need a context for my quest. That's the same reason, why I like worlds with boundaries, instead of worlds that are completely open from the get go. You can't build a believable world without certain limitations in my opinion.

+Lord Raven like how in Dying Light you can't go everywhere at first and it feels like a good pace?

this game is one of my favorites.

★ Froggie Animation ★ why don't you

TheYorkMan Yeah that's why John says that this one just not really that good for modern standards, but could be considered good for its time.

TheYorkMan Sorry my mistake.

TheYorkMan Yeah especially when it's one of John's more controversial reviews along with Lost Levels and SA2.

Ruler3995 while I do enjoy the Zelda Franchise it’s not my favorite Nintendo Series, I’m more of a Metroid guy.

I'm more of a Metroid fan than a Zelda fan as well. But I can respect for what makes the Zelda franchise unique in the first place.

I could not have said it better myself.

You can carry up to 16 bombs, but it'll cost you a total of 200 rupees for those expansions

L-Y3T which means most people will not have that ability, because no one will buy it and some people won’t even know about it.

@@Rountree1985 that's the bad part. I discovered those expansions by complete accident, because I was poking every wall by that point in the game, and trying to push every block.

From what I've seen, 2nd quest is even _more_ obtuse!

Alex Fraser it did get a remake, but only in Japan.

Giordan Diodato SON OF A B#$%H!!! WHY WON'T JAPAN SHARE?!?!

Alex Fraser it was via the Satelleview on the Super Famicom

Giordan Diodato satelleview? what's that?

Alex Fraser Google is your friend.

Amen.

In other videos about Zelda 2 for NES, old-timers who played through as kids remember the social aspect of the game. Friends would play and share hints. I had to share a console and TV with my older brother. We watched each others gameplay and of course were able to combine time on the same game if we wanted. Sure, there were heart containers I never found, but I think I had found dungeon 9 before I was even able to make it in there (so before I had gotten the ladder). The only thing I never did was find and complete all the dungeons in the second quest.

"Coming in 2014"

Oh shit it's you

You definitely need a guide for some things, but for me personally, the only thing I needed a guide for is the grumble grumble goryah in dungeon 7. I managed to find everything else on my own, and some of the hints the game gives you are actually very good. Not all of them, mind you, but at least motherfuckers don't lie to you like in Castlevania 2

Games were designed to be harder for padding or to eat your quarters. That was literally the only reason the few games that were harder were harder.

EURIPODES that's the coolest thing I've heard. Man things were so great and simple back then lol

EURIPODES I volunteer as tribute!

EURIPODES Wow sounds like it was an awesome time

That sounds awesome. You just don't get that sort of thing anymore.

"My son is also named bort"

Yeah actually it is Johnny explains the origin of the bort running gag in one of the later sonic 06 LP parts over at Johnnys LP Channel SGB

Ernie: Hey Bort.

Mah boi, that is the plate of the hero of time, or the hero that gets reincarnated over and over

Bort, I wish you wouldn't drink so much Bort Well Ernie I wish you wouldn't eat cookies IN THE DAMN BED!!!! Bort, you're shouting again Bort!

HOW?!?!?!?!?!

How?!

it wasn't easy guys..it wasn't easy.. this, and Metroid NES.

***** My goal wasn't to impresso anyone, so no, I'll never do that.

***** ahah ok man, you know there are douches on the internet that would say that seriously, my misunderstanding was legitimate :P

The natural thing I did against Ganon is tried every weapon I had when he went brown. Intuitive enough.

Baigandine L But still not enough. In A Link to the Past, the Silver Arrow was still needed to finish him off, but it could be obtained much earlier and you could escape your fight with Ganon and get a hint as to your need for it. Here, there was a hint back in Level 8... in the Japanese. In English, the Spectacle Rock hint got bumped up there and that bullcrap about the tip of the nose took its place. And if you didn't get the arrow before going to Ganon (there were no boss doors and plenty of invisible cracked walls) there was no way out without dying.

He had *some* good points about things wrong with Oot, *But* then he greatly exaggerated them and was clearly a biased boner towards Link to the Past. I mean why else would he say, "The exploration is great you even have to find the item required to beat a boss in a different dungeon" and treat that as good design.

***** i thought it was brilliant,maybe ur just too big of a Zelda fan in my experience Zelda fans are some of the most butt hurt fans i have ever seen

GreenNinjaTea I honestly think OoT is overrated but even I thought Egoraptor was nitpicking things alot

***** thats the part that confuses me the most, since he praises having to wait in castlevania, yet bashes it in everything else, and makes some bizzare claim that in zelda 1 getting the items has suspense

***** I'd argue Ocarina of Time is much more tense, given the redeads and gibdos or the juxtaposition between the first third as a child and the last two as an adult. Plus I don't know if this is just something the 3DS version fixed but the enemies he referred to as just waiting weren't very long to wait for another attack.

I really only used the guide to try and find some of the dungeons and a few other things. I have no idea how anyone can beat it on their first try without some sort of guide. Sure trial and error, but since it's an early nes game and areas blend in to one another, which drives me nuts.

When I played this game, I didn't use a map or guide (only for the Silver Arrows and Red Tunic), and this became my favourite game of all time! I first played it in mid 2015. :)

I was pretty good at finding shit without a guide thanks to (some of) the hints, but then I had to look for Level 7...

+L-Y3T iijjnjj8in

Except the game fucking gives you a guide and map in your package when you buy the game.

I forget do you just move the grave or do you have to do something else first?

@@iananderson4754 you have to have a certain number of hearts and then you can push the grave stone

​@@curiositykilledthecat5118 You can push the gravestone no matter how many hearts you have.

Well not for Zelda 1, for Ocarina of Time 3D. You can’t just take all games in a franchise and classify them as one game. That’s like saying the internet is one person.

Well that sucks.

Maybe have Zelda 2 as the after game surprise extra.

Zelda 1 did get a remake on the Super Famicom, but still, I definitely would love a remake on modern consoles.

The Legend of Zelda:zero mission

lol

Somebody managed to hack in the sword swipe

Not all icons can withstand the test of time on their own.

@@jaredargento1511 Truth. The OP here is obviously an LOZ fanboy.

+yumimakai I don't know how much of that is getting used to newer, easier games and how much is simply losing that youthful dexterity.

@@alienspacebat5218 i know this is 4 years old but i wanted to add that i think its more that as a kid we literally had nothing better to do. these hard games seemed easy cause we spent hours getting our ass kicked until we could get through it. and now as adults we only remember getting through it and not the countless attempts we failed.

It more a fact this is a different time, in the 80's/90's most games didn't hold your hand. No online forums, playthroughs and everyone was use to it. Today's gamers on the other hand are use to being told where to go and what to do next and with that the games of the past to new gamers aren't as use to thinking outside the box. So technically its and isn't a guide game (it just depends on what era you began gaming)

KidSnivy69 Yeah, I was trying to avoid saying what so many gamers of my generation have already said regarding the condemnation of today's "pampered" gamers. And it's true that the internet and--even worse---in-game tutorials have probably softened today's gamers. Difficult games do still exist today, but it's impossible to create this specific sort of difficulty anymore. Johnny (who is about 5-6 years younger than me) complains about the vague gray map for the overworld. But that was done intentionally. The mystery of Zelda was something very intriguing at the time. We had to rely on Nintendo power forums and word of mouth from friends rather than the internet. It's a different form of the same thing, but what separates today's gen is the same thing that defines today's world. Every answer and every solution has to be available IMMEDIATELY. I'm not saying one way is better than the other, but I was a little surprised that Johnny, someone who excels at retro games--was so put off by the style of this classic game.

frozenaorta The only things I disagree with is the map, just because it was intended that way doesn't automatically make it good or fun; and Johnny himself has mentioned while he play Zelda he isn't the biggest fan of the series and something tells me this wasn't his first Zelda game. Other than that I agree with you

KidSnivy69 Yeah, back then, designers expected you to draw your own map or something. Remember the original Metroid? That shit was brutal. But the overworld really isn't all that big in Zelda. I never really needed any sort of map to know where I was.

i agree, although im only 16 and i can still figure most of it out

You look like spongebob hydronated.

Its not ridiculous if every new game is ridiculously linear. Whats even the point with the token collecting if you can't take the dungeons out of order?

Uh, you miss the point, games had different standards back then, you cant just come out and compare a game from the 90's to a game from like 2012 then claim that classic games are flawed in comparison to a game that came out 20 years later on new tech people didnt think would exist... Yeah they had flaws, like all games, but they had to at that point, sure, you can compare fun factor, and I sense nostalgia-blinding in a lot of people, but it hardly makes sense to compare skyward sword to LoZ, then say SS is much better thus LoZ isnt... of course it is, its 3D, looks better, performs better, is bigger etc. When people say classic games are better, they are talking about principles, ideas, mechanics, things most modern games lack; -Rare to see a new idea -Poor mechanics in comparison -less love and care for the product -EASY MODE GENERATION --Hand holding out the arse Most modern games today seem to be made to hook you, how many games are FPS's and how many have you level up and unlock stuff, mentally forcing you to want to keep going, old games didnt need that, the 'Fun' factor just is not as strong in most modern games anymore. its all about £$£$£ and DLC. I rarely feel challenged or demanded in games, and rarely feel that spark that classic games had. Shovel knight was a great throwback to the classic generation, that was a nice "modern-classic" game and was really well made. it also had a unique idea and mechanics, and was structurally sound. As I said though, there is some rose-tint-nostalgia in gamers, like the LoZ, some say it is the best Zelda.... to that I laugh. Some, particularly that game, bring up modern handholding and say LoZ got it right... hardly, that game had too LITTLE direction, no guide, but also no sign or message pointing you in the right path. How it should be done is set me on the path, make the 'path' obvious to where it goes enough that im not lost, but hidden enough that I need to think and work out what I need to do, make me find the path that im on, or find where it goes, but make the path clear to where it is. Let me deviate at my will, let me choose to explore, but dont force me to aimlessly wander with no path, nor, restrict me to the path. Show me the tower on the horizon and say "go there" and let me forge my own exploration, just point me. (If any of this makes sense in terms of games) If Zelda 1 had a sign, pointing you to the first dungeon, a man who tells you where to find some stuff (Roughly) before you go to said dungeon, slight cracks on the wall to show where to bomb (or, hints from people for the really hidden stuff) and signs on what tree to burn... then, once the player has beaten dungeon 1, THEN open up, kind of like a tutorial section. Dont just have an inconspicuous wall, or one tree in a forest a secret, either have a visual clue, or, give me a hint somewhere else, "When I was young, I used to play in this cave by the shore, its gone now, I swear it was by the tree just a few steps away" "My granddad said he hid money somewhere in this forest, south of the mountains, the only clue he said is "look for the arrow, and do the opposite" but Im not sure what that means" Point is, both gens had issues, sure, but, standards changed, and said old games where typically (Not always) structurally and mechanically better in comparison.

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" old games where typically (Not always) structurally and mechanically better in comparison." Yeah, for me I'm rather conflicted on classic games, some I enjoy, some I don't, both difficult and easy, console and arcade games and all that. Sometimes I can like a game with it's flaws, sometimes I can't. I'm a bit all over the place with them. Some I play to this day still. Modern games, can be massively cheap, flawed and buggy too, but even when they're not, I tend to find them really bland. Of course there are always exceptions, I do like some newer games, just not that many, even a lot that try to emulate older ones as it happens. Generally I like gaming best from the early 90's up until the late 2000's with others on either side of that. but it is the case now that each year I play less and less new releases.

YTRoflcopter ok

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This game is kind of old school. It was basically a social experience, because you were supposed to talk to your friends about stuff like this, and if they knew anything, they would give you tips. Unfortunately, I didn't get to play this game for myself until I was a teenager, and I didn't have that many friends at that point, let alone friends who still owned an NES, So I too had to look up a guide for a few things. But I can still say beyond the shadow of a doubt that I enjoyed this game, warts and all

I see that you are quite a SuperDerek fan.😊

I also know that's TV Tropes speak. So yeah without a guide you're fucked

Yeah, I couldn’t have said it better myself.

You're not alone on Zelda 2! While I am definitely a fan of the original Zelda (I've loved all the Zelda games I've played so far), I enjoyed Zelda 2 more and found the gameplay superior in just about every respect. I didn't have a problem with sidescrolling either. It reminded me of the Mario games, only more challenging since Link can't stomp on his enemies.

Marysia Kosowski Agreed. I guess I can see the original being awesome back in the day and finding all the cool secrets. Back then it was awesome. The game just seems to random with secrets for me. Being 14 I only grew up with games from N64 and onward so I never experienced the game like that back then.

I can agree that zelda 2 was pretty cool, but hard as shit, lol, i wouldn't mind a remake of zelda 2 to be honest.

The only thing Zelda 1 did better than Zelda 2 is the checkpoint system. In Zelda 1; when u game over & continue, u started back at the entrance of the dungeon. In Zelda 2; you have to start all the way back to Zelda's Castle instead of just starting back at the dungeon or other outer areas u entered.

Now 9-years

LOL!!!

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I can relate.

While I do agree that both of those games are better (I go back to Link's Awakening a LOT), I still enjoy this game in all honesty, even while recognizing all of its flaws

Yep. U pretty much sum up about what I think about the game. Respected it for the foundation of the series. But man, is it age so poorly. It needs an remake so bad and give it liked the Metroid: Zero Mission treatment.

TheBlue Typhoon17 This game hasn't aged well. ALttP, Link's Adventure, and the Oracle games are much better 2D Zelda's imo.

Keep in mind the creators expected you to have the manual and the map from the box. Back then, cartridge restrictions required narrative aids outside the game.

Omar just read the manual

Sono. Even so, the game still plays very archaic. Exploring your ways to the game can be an chore and the designs are not well thought of.

yes

I got a teleporter if that helps.

Don't trust the teleporter. If you every played the Henry stick man games you know what I am talking about

Don't worry it's a TF2 Teleporter.

You're binge watching Johnny's videos, I think you're good

I'd understand your complaints if this were a game released today, but it's not. It's essentially the first of its kind--an experiment--so of course it would have some serious flaws, and that goes for Zelda II as well, which was also very experimental. That doesn't change the fact, however, that the game is genuinely fun for a lot of people (who know what they're doing), and honestly, I think you need to recognize how important it is. At least a third of the games we have today would not exist if Zelda 1 hadn't set in motion the evolution of gaming. Gaming without Nintendo would be like paintings without the Renaissance. And as for the fans who praise the game based on design, just let them believe what they want. Some people actually enjoy getting lost in a game's overworld, like me when I used to play this game on GBA. I greatly appreciated the freedom of exploration, I liked the fact that nearly every square had something to do on it, and as I explored, I found many secrets on my own, and it was rewarding. Nothing today really recaptures the feeling I felt as a kid when I found a hundred rupees past an invisible walkway or a secret shop that sells a ring to boost my defense. Sure, I never beat it until I used the internet, but I had a lot of fun nonetheless. All that said, just let people enjoy their old games and realize that you're complaining about a game released in 1987 that anyone with a Nintendo console can buy for a measly 5 dollars.

Half-Moon Prophet You hit the nail on the head. Times change, and gamer's tastes and expectations just aren't the same as what they were back in the NES days. It's not that it's badly designed overall, the game's idea of exploration just hasn't aged as well as others. But under no circumstances should anyone playing the game today for the first time attempt it without a guide.

So, what you're saying is that this game lacks direction. I think that's an understandable complaint. I don't mind non-linear gameplay, but exploration shouldn't result in so much confusion. However, as HMP said, this is the first Zelda game, so it's going to have a few flaws.

It was a different time. This game was made for kids. You'd get together at the playground, talk about the game, and swap tips, tricks, and secrets you found out. Eventually, you'd get enough info to progress and beat the game.

Personally, I prefer Zelda II. If only because of the more refined combat.

how so

For one thing, it's easier to save the game on the Collector's Disc version. The original NES version required you to hold in the RESET Button while turning the game off.

Marysia Kosowski Oh yes... now I cannot unsee the public bathrooms.

Haha...you're welcome, I guess? ;)

did you get every item?

...you LIE...

Me too =) But didnt found everything though.

Orpheus Bladesong it probably is possible without a guide but hours on hours of teeth biting of wandering and dying though.

No, I don't think I got everything. I believe I just got the essentials

I'll never understand the appeal in beating this without a guide.

+KidSnivy69 It's the sense of accomplishment because you don't need something to hold your hand through a game. I do this with other games

HueyGamingFreeman I get that from just playing at all

-this is late by a few months, but whatever- Welcome to the SomecallmeJohnny fandom!

Scott wasn’t even that harsh on this game in his own review of it.

DashieSparkle Heh, I KNEW THAT! I mean, not only did I already know about the gloriousness that is Gamefaqs, but he mentioned it at LEAST ONCE in the video. What I meant is I don't know how to get it all nice onto one single piece of paper which folds in and out like his does. All I can be able to do is get half of the map on one piece of paper and the other half on the other. It works and I can use it, but I just wish it was on a single piece of paper, again, like Johnny's.

BadWordHater Oh...... lol ok now I feel stupid. Well I know how he did it. He just printed the map out on two separate pages and stuck them together.

DashieSparkle Which I don't how how to do. I mean, I could try with glue, but the pieces of paper are supposed to be seperate. I don't think he printed the pieces of paper out of a printer and stuck them together. It looks like a different kind of paper with the edges weaved together.

That sounds boring

KidSnivy69 - LOL Yeah. Yeah it does. Had too much free time.

TJOEL20 But hey, I can't say I beat this game that way so you have my respect

Yeah, that's an outside source.

Xcalibur64 compared to about 600 other nes games, it aged well.

I don't see how, other than compared to games today this game is unfair and hard, but thats how we liked our NES games. Where didn't it age well? Sure the graphics suck, but its an NES game. Music is iconic, and all of it has been used in future games. Gameplay is amazing for the time.

Clunky combat thats just old school top down Zelda. Same way in A Link to the past Links awakening Oracle games, Sure it got better but still the same feel. Link is hard to control in all those games, but the fact that this was the first one you have to give it some credit. Im not wearing nostalgia glasses im giving a great game credit where its due. Same thing with Super Mario Bros. Any NES game that spawned a franchise really will have the same complaints, the only difference is Mario and Zelda went on to make better games in the future, which created these complaints.

You cant discredit the game because of the NES limitations. All NES games suffer from the same issues, a clear sign its not the game, Zelda and Mario minimized the issues as much as possible. The only reason link handles better in a link to the past is because the hardware was better, i don't know if you have played Links awakening but he is just as if not harder to control than the original game.

Play it on the gameboy, its not the same, hardware limitations. Plus zelda 1 is harder on modern tvs, try it on an old school tv. Input lag will kill the experience. Finally i mentioned hardware because that limited how well the games could perform. All of the games on the NES suffered from the same issues. I literally mean all of them.

There are 6 threes in your comment and two paragraphers or whatever is it called in english. 6 / 2 = 3. 3 = 3 LEFT 4 DEAD 3 CONFIRMED!

Now there is 3 people that are commenting on this post. TEAM FORTRESS 3 CONFIRMED

Now there's four so your theory failed... D=

***** I said 3 PEOPLE So that means we must put up a stop sign on this post

Oh

Thats what he said,but since the game doesn't have a good map or hint system without a map or the manual which is outside help instead of in game help. And there's a lot of secret can't know like burning a specific tree or blow a specific area.

angel Ybarra you're pretty much gonna get lost with the manual or a guide which again is outside assistance.

Angel Ybarra I think the hints are just fine. Usually when you have to bomb a wall in a dungeon, you can tell by looking at your map and compass that it's necessary to advance.

Having to bomb every wall and burn every bush just to find the select few that hold secrets, some of which are MANDATORY for progression, is not my idea of fun exploration.

Listen, if the game will only let me carry 16 bombs at the very most, I’d really rather not be wasting them on random, identical-looking walls, HOPING that something will be revealed behind them. That’s not fun. It’s really tedious and boring.

They absolutely should! Seriously, I cannot fathom why Nintendo remade the first two Metroid games, but NOT the first two Zelda games!

+MegaAnimazing No It's BOOOOOOOOOORRTT! Get it right man

+Thomas Ink No, it's Bo Rt

+sonicgamer42 That's BSC, damnnit!

Thomas Ink Hm, fair point.

i cant even beat it WITH the save points

***** Yeah its a tough game. Some enemies are just plain horrible (I'm looking at you darknut and wizzrobe).

It's especially useful for Super Mario Bros. The Lost Levels so much difficulty

Thanks to developers phasing out a lot of the fake difficulty seen in many of these old NES games.

Okoa there was nothing fake about the difficulty in the first zelda. the 2nd one, yea.

Apart from needing to go out of your way to get the silver arrows for Ganon, or the meat for the dude blocking the paths in the dungeons. I'm sure the challenge in navigation was fair for its time, but we're used to far better now.

dementedavenger2784 I can understand loving a game, every gamer has one game that they love. But just because you love a game doesn't mean you can't see it's obvious flaws. One of the main reasons that modern games seem easier is because classic games were based off of arcades, which were made to take your money. And so many things in Zelda 1 are not as great as you remember.

I’m sorry, but when I’m only allowed to carry 16 bombs at the most, I’d rather not be wasting them on random, identical-looking walls, HOPING that something is behind them. That’s simply not fun. It’s very tedious and boring.

+HeartlessWeegee2 But I love Yu-Gi-Oh...

Kerrmunism Well, so does Johnny. (Watch his review of Kingdom Hearts Chain of Memories for proof.)