‪@johnnyharris‬ 

I was a hardcore Joe Rogan listener from 2010 until about 2017 (I had basically the same liberal political outlook then as I do now). My main problem with Rogan is that sometime between 2014 and 2016 an entire ecosystem of right-wing grifters developed around his show (appearing on the Rogan podcast being a key part of their growth strategy) and Rogan was either too gullible to see that happening or simply didn't care to do anything about it. Years ago Rogan would mostly book interesting people like academics, scientists, historians (as well as comedians and athletes) who didn't have a clear political agenda outside of their narrow field, and weren't necessarily trying to be famous. Over time, this shifted to booking hacks like Jordan Peterson, Dave Rubin, Candace Owens, Ben Shapiro, Alex Jones, Steven Crowder, Bret Weinstein, and other right-wing influencers (and a few similarly uninteresting left-wing influencers). Some of these people got big specifically from Rogan's show. So, what offends me is this lazy reliance on booking internet personalities and the lack of ability to offer smart pushback. He could make an effort to book interesting, smart conservatives from a range of perspectives, but he mostly doesn't. He could prepare rigorously for these interviews but he mostly doesn't. Lastly, his ability to critically assess online information has aged extremely poorly from the media landscape of the early 2010s to now. He was never a genius, but as social media changed Rogan descended into being little more than a gullible boomer who too often accepts whatever memes he happens to see as fact and doesn't know how to distinguish between good information and bad information.

Yea but Joe's friend told him there was a kitty litter box is in his kids school. It must be true.

My issue with Rogan is he is often grossly uninformed about certain topics, and instead of educating himself in those situations, he just shoots from the hip with BS. He also allows certain guests to push misleading agendas and/or outright lies with little to no pushback.

My issue with Rogan is that he almost never calls out blatant lies or thoughtless takes spewed by his guests. The reason he does this isn't necessarily because he agrees, but it's because he hasn't ever contemplated the issue being discussed. On one occasion, he did push back on a guest, and it was great. Dave Rubin was his guest, and Rubin posited the incredibly stupid idea that we should do away with code inspections/standards for construction projects because all they do is "waste money," and the contractors who get these projects would be incentivized to build safe structures simply because it would be better for their business reputation to do so. Rogan pushed back on that because he, having spent time in his youth working in construction, understood how many shortcuts these contractors would take if they were allowed to. But again, Rogan was only challenging Rubin in that instance because he had a real-life experience with the subject matter. But when he has Tulsi Gabbard on, and she is flat-out lying about Ukraine, Rogan just nods along like a child listening to his mother. That's the ultimate problem with these platforms, and really all of the media. It isn't that reporters and hosts always have some malevolent intention in what they are presenting to the audience. It's that they don't know what they are talking about.

The reason it works is because he provides long form conversations with a variety of people that he finds interesting. I watch depending on the guest. The format allows for a more comfortable experience instead of weird combative panels or interviews. It makes for great content. He even provides content for those who just critique.

It is hard to hold someone accountable if they are all over the place regarding what they believe. So for me that means that he believes in Nothing.

I’m ok with platforming people with mildly offensive points of view. It’s when they are based on lies and they spout them as truths that I believe it does real damage.

5:45 the podcast being long is the appeal for most people. I like it because I can put in on in the background while at work and not have to worry about finding something new to listen to.

I've seen Johnny's "work" previously and thought he had the flavor of a right-winger himself, possibly because of his religious background, coming out of that left a conservative mark...I dipped a toe into Joe's "comedy", its not offensive, just wasn't particularly funny. He's better suited smoking weed, having 4 hour discussions w/his buddies in the basement.

Great example how how Rogan just DOES NOT tell the truth or even care is how he loves and describes Elon Musk as some eccentric genius monk who lives in a prefab $50,000 home and doesn't have a car when in reality Elon has bought 100s of millions in property, has over 6 jets and some of his first big purchases were insanely expensive cars. Rogan doesn't care that he has not fully researched a topic he is discussing on his podcast and has said as much. This is the downfall of this country when, literally a guy with a show is treated as some truth teller when he is just not informed and doesn't care to be very well informed. This creates a false reality that doesn't really exist.

My theory is that he talks as much boll**ks as the rest of us so he's entirely relatable. In other times it would be harmless, in an age where we are struggling to learn how to parse out the wealth of information that gets thrown at us, some of us read his boll**ks as news.

Being curious is great. But he's careless too. Too much power and very minimal accountability can only create a monster 💀

If you hide a distasteful pill in a spoonful of sweet jam, it's still a distasteful pill.

Joe Rogan filled the void left by people like Rush Limbaugh. Millennials are enthralled by JR. Forget reading or doing any real research. People quote JR as if he’s some kind of intellectual authority on all subjects. There are so many other, more intelligent people to listen to, to read. I don’t understand the appeal. JR is nothing but a showman who isn’t really telling the truth. It’s a show that appeals to a certain demographic that is too lazy to actually read books.

Joe Rogan makes stupid people feel smarter than they are; That's why a lot of young guys for him. 1) They feel empowered and 2) Joe Rogan hosts guests who agree with that, which is mostly all right-wing mouth-pieces. So, do you really wonder how you got here?

Wow. I'm a center left kind of guy and a longtime listener of both Pod Save America and Joe Rogan, and it's fascinating to see how Joe is being treated like this alien specimen by them. We're really screwed if this highly clinical attempt at understanding of our compatriots is the best we can do. "It complicates things that he has this genuine dislike of staying in one box," says Harris of Rogan, or something to that effect, before admitting he is much more low-effort when it comes to transcending his identity group. Mr. borders journalist indeed! Meanwhile Favreau nods along, clearly feeling totally in sync. I mean, what is Pod Save America saving America from if not the other half of America? It's unsurprising this is so mind melting for these guys.

I think it is a herd mentality. Centuries ago, when people were mostly in rural area, the herd was their village and/or their church/religion. As urbanization increased (and in a male-dominated society), fraternal organization grew to be a major factor in addition to religion. Later, those organizations added adjuncts for women. After WWII, where women grew in the workforce and eventually two-earner households became common, memberships in those organizations diminished, including organized religions. Then, with the growth of cable TV and the internet and the decline of local newspapers, people have more options for finding a herd to follow. The COVID pandemic essentially halted many things, especially in-person gathering, so people looked for other ways to connect and find a herd. Talk shows and podcasters have become the new herd leaders.

Joe Rogan got the idea for a podcast by being a constant guest on the Opie and Anthony Show in the mid aughts. O&A was a radio show that featured comedians and various guests where they would riff for hours on end. This show was the inspiration for what Rogan would become.

I used to watch him occasionally. It’s easy listening / viewing when people are stoned or high. I stopped watching him when he started pushing ivermectin. That was the line I drew. I think one of the reasons he’s popular is a lot of young men think he’s quite intellectually capable and sophisticated so it makes them feel they are also intellectual and sophisticated. Well I think that’s part of it. When in reality he’s just an average Joe ( 🙄) with a lot of enthusiasm and a friendly personality when he’s doing his podcasts. But personally I think he’s a bit of a dick these days. Especially with his right wing conspiracy leanings.

I opened a dictionary the other day. I looked up "Intellectually Laziness" and there was a full page picture of Joe Rogan. Which dictionary? Just research it yourself.

You want something more complex than “He says what those without the benefit of family trees that fork want to hear?”

Great interview. Really enjoyed listening to this. Well done Johnny, your videos are awesome.

My biggest issue with Rogan is something he has admitted openly: he’s prone to believe conspiracy theories.

He has been developing his listening audience for a decade. He does mostly approach his guest as if he was born yesterday, just a completely empty head so the listener can project on him. I work 2 jobs roughly 70 hours a week as a solo short order cook and I can tune out for 8 of 10 working hours everyday.

Thinking of Rogan as Broprah gets you pretty far.

Joe Roger represents a shadenfreude zeitgeist thing that allows for enough ambiguity everyone feels he is talking to them. They have a term for that; “confidence man”. The most worrying thing about Rogen is that he gives a platform and by extension validity to every extremist tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist and they usually come from the far right which is why he is associated with far right ideology.

I want hysteria to cover this topic

This interview with Johnny is so much better than Johnny’s actual video about Joe Rogan which was basically pandering to Rogan fans - if not outright courting them. Johnny somehow missed the fact that Joe Rogan’s “nuance” has completely disappeared in recent years. There is a clear distinction between Joe Rogan pre-2020 and Joe Rogan now. Johnny’s video talked about Joe having Alan Yang and Bernie Sanders on his show, but that all happened in 2019. When’s the last time someone actually objective appeared on Joe’s show (rather than an anti-vaxxer, a Prager U “professor” or anyone else clearly right-wing)? To go through and entire 20 minute video about Joe Rogan and conclude that he’s just so popular because he doesn’t fit a mold or he’s just nuanced is irresponsible. Joe used to have reputable people on his show and display an open-mindedness. Now he just wants to live in an echo chamber surrounded by fake experts that conform to his worldview, which, yes, is right wing.

Rogan is the greatest carnival barker at a time when a good deal of the public desires to be sold a bill of goods that make them feel both part of a secret group that is in the know as well as smarter than the people who they actually should be relying on.

Ha! Sounds like Bill Maher has been emulating Joe Rogan 🤔

I’ve been a fan of Johnny for ages but his Joe Rogan video was pretty whack… he basically made the video from the perspective of Rogan pre-2020 and ignored all the bullsh*t he has pulled from 2020-now. He didn’t even mention any of the anti-vaxx nonsense, the science denialism, transphobia, misogyny, sexism and dubious election claims. He’s even rationalizing a lot of Rogan’s BS in this very podcast, by saying crap like “he doesn’t really platform extreme views” or whatever. Dude, during your 2-week marathon listening of TJRE, did you actually just stop at the end of 2019 and not listen to any of his shows for the past 3 years…? Also, “The Witch Trials of J.K. Rowling” is a straight up propaganda piece FILLED to the brim with misinformation, deceptive twisting of truth, obfuscation, omitted facts and straight up disinformation. It’s a little alarming that Johnny said he listened to it recently and “doesn’t know” where he stands on Rowling. Big yikes. I feel like we’re watching a turn to the right wing right before our eyes. I mean, Johnny did grow up Mormon after all so I’m sure he still has a lot of that foundational baggage…

Maybe Newsradio was "cheesy", it was also the best sitcom of the 90's, 1000 x's funnier than friends and not as funny as Seinfeld but very solid. This was the only role I was ever comfortable with Joe Rogan playing, then he took his own, meandering path

Yes! Cathartic to listen to podcasts....not necessarily J.R. Too many of us alone listen to feel part of something. Background noise to tune in and out of as doing other mindless activities. On some level we crave the human voice just talking.

Makes it hard to rewatch News Radio

I think joe rogan is less a curious person and way more of an active enabler of the organized right via not offering even the slightest pushback to some pretty awful positions. I think it's important context to remember how he first went mainstream, on a weirdly right wing (lets be frank, it was a scam to get women in bikinis to do nasty/porn adjacent stuff) gameshow that was pretty much porn for rich assholes. If you're a billionaire, their are probably few things more amusing than watching the poors debase themselves for the kind of money you could use to wipe your ass with (for the rest of their life) and still be very rich. Oh, he also had that mma era (and I'm not talking welding haha), it's pretty hard to find left wing people in that business (or any other incredibly shitty job), people who believe beating people up for money is a good life choice tend to be right wing (weird coincidence!), as do those who work with them (in their case because people willing to exploit the health/wellbeing of others for money tend to be right wing). He was always right wing, it's just that nobody but the 'great decisionmakers' knew how far right he leaned. He's the classic 'right wing is the default so by being right wing I'm actually neutral' BS that way too many Americans fall for.

It's one of the world's great mysteries. However, given the idiocratic state of our country, we can all see why he became a "success." The man believes in Big Foot, Yetti's, and basic science we learned in elementary school blows his mind. There are so many vids out there of this guy masquerading as an intelligent commentator with his jaw slacked and saying, "whoa dude, that's crazy." Yes Joe, the Earth isn't flat.

Parasocial relationship + sunk cost fallacy.

Johnny Harris builds such a good narrative but his info is always a bit off somewhere. Better off finding a better source tbh. Dude can't keep a historical timeline accurate lmao

There's a episode of The Simpsons where Homer becomes a boxer. His skull is so thick and his brain is so small, that he can just take a thousand hits to the head without it damaging him. Then when his opponent is so tired and worn out, Homer can just push them over and win. Joe Rogan is that, but for ideas.

The same reason trump became so popular. The level of immaturity in our citizenry is pretty much off the charts.

Whoa! This was such a good episode. The sensation of “finally understanding something” is what draws me to podcasts in general. This episode gave me that sensation because I have long struggled to understand the Joe Rogan effect. 10/10 episode 😊

>There's a part of him that feels very much like, "I want to be open minded to everything." Yeah, except for transgender issues. When these people are regurgitating lies and being bias on an issue, and you know a buttload about that issue, it's very discouraging seeing what gets passed off as a "neutral' or unbiased angle, and seeing people who don't just buy into it, it's a horrible let down.

This guest drank the Rogan coolaid. Joe platforms the worst of the worst, so therefore he is one of the worst. Anyone who makes excuses for Joe are just fanboys of playing all the sides for capital gain. They are impressed with the fact that he has somehow gained success without the need of a backbone to stand for something.

This was a great interview Jon! Great insights about the information we consume and spew.

I've been trying to keep up with all this Israel and Palestine issue in real time and trying to ignore takes, but I've realized that when I listen to people's takes on the issue, I'm becoming heavily biased against Israel. Yeah, I get that innocent people shouldn't be slaughtered ruthlessly, but it appears that one side refuses to acknowledge that there are even people on one side, let alone innocent people, and watching so many people come out on the side of Israel is becoming disheartening. So I get the whole "you don't know enough about the situation so stay out of it," but when our country has a huge hand in what goes on and innocent people are being slaughtered, we're becoming contributors to the death and hardship by sticking our head in the sand and waiting for it to boil over with more verified facts. It's information warfare, these people deserve our time and effort to try to distill the conflict into real information to help drive the policies our government makes when it comes to deciding on how to sponsor our nations allies in the time of war and ethnic cleansing. And when we have powerful people in our country trying to stifle our free speech to voice an opinion on a humanitarian crisis by calling us antisemitic and trying to blacklist us, we need people who know how to fact check and spread a voice to speak out on it, and quickly before any more lives are affected.

Im so happy that ya'll gave CIA Harris an interview , he's the best worst Liberal documentarian out there

Joe platforms right-wing propagandists. I don’t always agree with “guilty by affiliation”, but at a certain point you are the company you keep, especially when you make it a point to keep that company.

I got into it 10 years ago, becuase of the Newsradio Cast, and even then it's like most podcast shows on a cast, it's the "whatever happen to...."..... and then it quickly went into Milo Yonopolis, Ben Shapiro, Alex Jones, and that's when I jumped off. Sure there was Neil Degrass Tyson, but just going "ooooh and ahhhhh" with Ben Shapiro, it wasn't being "open minded." It's the stoner jock who thinks he's getting his mind blown because he took so much drugs before watching an episode of Nova. And sometimes, you do get the jocks who go "hey, wait, if I'm nicer to people, then they will be nice to me." But he didn't and became worse.

Johnny Harris comes across as an incredibly neurotic truth twister in this video

Don’t forget Rogan sells his supplements & runs ads all through his podcast. Btw did you know Alex Jones also sells supplements or sugar pills. Money money money, I can say anything & get tons of money. Say anything for the next dollar.

Johnny Harris I moved lol

" The line " needs to be defined by truth. The program needs to be responsible to point out any bending, twisting, or shading of the truth that occurs. Politicians and media should be legally required to NOT LIE!

I like Rogan. I appreciate what he brings to the media landscape. I tend to agree with a lot of his thoughts. But I also watched this to kind of challenge my own biases by listening to someone I normally wouldn’t agree with. There’s some truth in this video. There’s also biases based on ideology. And that’s okay. I would love to get back to a society just being friends with everyone. Politics and ideologies feels like sports teams now and it’s gross. Good discussion, gentleman.

Rogan has a more traditional outlook on conversation where the relationship you have with the person you are talking to is more important than the cold scientific and industrial skepticism we subject speech to in our modern world. He listens to his guest the same way a farmer listens to his neighbor. There is something wholesome about it while also being highly vulnerable to conspiracy theories and/or fear mongering.

I could not be paid to watch the FOX NETWORK OR JOE ROGAN -

The funny thing is those people who claim that I’m biased because I don’t listen to Joe Rogan. First of all, I didn’t grew up watching Fear Factor and secondly, I don’t like the UFC-MMA fighting. So, how am I supposed to be familiar with Joe Rogan or care what he has to say? I gravitate towards podcasts based on what I find interesting, and I just don’t find Rogan interesting from the very first time I’ve heard of his podcast, which was around 2018.

I was done when he promoted Ivermectin and became an expert on Covid. Now his friend Lex is becoming ridiculous __ having Kushner as a guest.

7:30 ehhhhh, As someone who was an avid listener from the pod from 2012 til about 2017-2018, and now a more casual listener *Im curious to hear Johnny (Come Lately’s) history overview*

Can I be the first to nominate. Johnny Harris as The Minister of truth. Protecting our freedom of speech with making sure the bad guys don't hurt us wih their evil words. And protect our minds from ideas that we disagree with!

Rogan often self-identifies as a meathead or a shit-talking idiot. I enjoyed the Joe Rogan Experience (JRE) a lot more when it was on RU-vid and he had on people talking about UFOs, DMT, ancient cultures, various conspiracy theories, martial arts, and bow-hunting. Comedians in general but especially Duncan Trusell episodes were always a lot of fun too and he's had lots of great guests over the years like Anthony Bourdain, Bob Lazar, Les Stroud, Edward Snowden, Neil Degrasse Tyson, Edward Norton, Dr. Rhonda Patrick, Josh Dubin and many others. There have been some real train wreck episodes (Deadmau5), and guests I don't have any interest in from the get go (Mike Baker or Steven Crowder) so I don't watch, but with thousands of shows there always going to be some that fall short or flat out suck. Rogan tends to reflect back the perspective of his guest and, like a good host, he doesn't give them too much grief for their point of view unless it really rubs him the wrong way. He has a few red lines like transgirls and transwomen in female sports or someone saying a woman or girl would have to carry a fetus to term if they'd been impregnated by a rapist. He also gets particular about people getting facts wrong in subjects he knows a lot about like professional fighting, pool, and muscle cars. It's gotten less consistently fun to watch the JRE since his show became more of a politicized platform, but there are still entertaining and/or informative episodes here and there. But the thing to remember is he's a comedian and a dummy - not a super genius. Still one of the funniest moments I'll never forget is when he had Candace Owens on and at one point they were talking about the environment and he asks her "don't you care about the environment?" And with a sneering tone she replied "not even a little bit". She could tell Joe didn't have any respect for that answer and tried to walk back and qualify her opinion, but it was obvious she meant what she had said and it soured the rest of the interview. She was never on again.

I'm a fan of both you and Rogan. Reasoned take. I cringe often but I think he means well

Johnny’s insights into generational differences in consuming information should be the hypothesis for a dissertation. I, a boomer, and my best friend, a millennial, were laughing at each other this weekend over how we process Israel-Gaza news. She knows the headlines; I’m stuck in the weeds. I NEED to know why we’re not hearing of deaths due to dehydration and starvation. I NEED to know about cultural norms that prohibit, say, middle-aged men from reporting their Hamas-involved nephews and cousins. (But to whom would they report?) I NEED to know why/how ambulances are still running when experts said three weeks ago that vehicle fuel would run out in five days. Meanwhile, I’m looking at a sky full of rockets and bombed-out apartment buildings, hoping to find answers there. Why does a 68-year-old Mapuche immigrant to the U.S. NEED to know every detail of this horrible war while a 34-year-old Mexican immigrant is content with the basics? (Until I heard Johnny, I thought the conditions under which we left our home countries explained differences in news consumption and processing.)

Because of the stress levels of the stories being covered on a daily basis, my self-preservation kicked in and I began listening for the what-ifs and the speculations during the panel discussions. The point that Trump turns on the VCR to make sure he hears all of the free legal experts advising him on what is barely within the law is the same time that I begin to withdraw my attention because it doesn't mean anything until it is in court. This mechanism is working out better for me and keeps me from having to completely tune out like so many Americans have because of the Trump nonsense. He has been successful in killing people's desire to change things for the good. Numbing us into paralysis which he hopes will translate into staying home and not voting. In my regular life I don't know as much of the ins and oz of issues. But it's also true that not one person who wants to hear about such details in my personal life. I guess it was a habit I developed when early on when Trump first arrived on the scene and would start his outrageous attention getting but no one in my world was aware of it. So I became one of the self-appointed megaphones proclaiming the outrages at was going on hoping to get the attention and concern of others to also rise up against him. It's necessary to step back and calm down because there will be another season before he's gone that everything will be on fire again. At that it will that's when it will be important to speak up again and be heard. You can't be a clanging gong every day and expect people to understand the impact of your most recent observations, as outrageous and illegal as you know they are. You can't force people to care but you can pressure them into not caring. 🤷‍♀️

His politicial views were always part of him that I found so interesting about him. Since Covid, I haven't been able to listen to him at all because I just find his platforming of crazy people to be far too dangerous in the middle of a pandemic, though ironically, it was a guest on his podcast who at the beginning of the pandemic, really put into perspective how fucking terrifying the situation was, when it was still mostly in Italy. Back when I would listen to him occiasionally, I found him(besides some occaisional comments to the contrary) pretty much pro-LGBTQ rights, pro-women's rights, pro-science on climate change, a lot of the major progressive ideas, he was on my general side of. What I have always found most damaging(besides platforming crazy and dangerous people) were his opinions towards masculinity, and weak men. His opinions on this topic are pretty much intense, classic ideas of toxic-masculinity and I found them really mostly dangerous towards Men really. He doesn't like "weak" men, he doesn't like men who cry, he doesn't like men who take on more "feminine" roles in a relationship. I think I'd consider him kind of a stepping stone towards the more dangerous ideaology that might lead you towards someone like Andrew Tate, which was always my concern. It's not a huge leap to go from there to being anti-women, even though again, I've never found Rogan to be very much on that side of things. Other than the platforming people, it also irritates me how much he changes his opinion based on who is sitting across the table from him, I think this probably comes from his massive ignorance though, as I can see how it would be pretty difficult to push back on ideas when you don't have a good grasp on the topic yourself. I think sooooo many of the concerns around Joe Rogan could be fixed by having a solid fact check section, or even better, to be more knowledgeable about the guests he's having on so he can push back more effectively. The lack of pushback on many guests is really unforgivable in some cases, I have to say. I haven't listened to him almost at all since 2020 and I don't have much desire to go back.

😂😂 lmaoooo he’s doing his Johnny Harris camera angles on someone else’s podcast 27:55

How does Rogan get labeled as trans-phobe? The only thing I've ever heard him say was that he's completely against men who later 'transitioned' into women fighting other actual women in combat sports. Men who were previously terrible as mixed martial artists are now getting into the ring with real women and beating them to a pulp. I may disagree with his political leanings, but as far as that goes, he's dead right.

Here's the thing that many liberals/progressives can't understand, but need to. And I count myself in the group of liberals who do understand why our side seemingly can't reach the people who listen to Joe Rogan. For some reason, we have offloaded our understanding of the framework of oppression to academics who talk in very small circles and do not have very much cultural reflection outside of that very tiny world. They have a very specific way that they talk to each other, they read the literature that each other write and they succeed due to them affirming each other constantly. And they held a belief that systemic oppression is derived from racial power structures. This wasn't necessarily false, but it was just an observation that was 30 years past its prime. Their dogma/ideas/whatever has been adopted by progressives who have made their way into the workforce, institutions and government, and they've created what I believe is widely considered a new form of institutionalized prejudice against different, bigger groups, those being men and those with perceived privilege. So whereas we had institutional prejudice against blacks, people of color, women, people of different sexual orientation and other groups, now the academic community has trained an entire generation of college educated folks to flip the bit and turn their attention to being prejudiced against men, white people and the institutions that seemingly support them. This is a MASSIVE misfire, and I can't overstate how incredibly misguided this approach is. Because while these folks were talking to each other and creating this doctrine over the course of the past 30 years, the world actually improved immensely away from the prejudices against race, sexism and even sexual orientation... and we were moving towards solving wealth inequality. And wealth inequality has been proven time and time again to be THE thing that truly prevents anybody if any color to climb the socio-economic ladder. What we are now looking at is a workforce that will be dominated by a different gender, is leaving men behind when it comes to them seeking higher education and a focus AWAY from economic justice for ALL people. So where do those people turn when they can't turn to institutions of higher learning? The guy at the bar who "tells it like it is." The people who listen to Joe Rogan aren't stupid. They understand how the broader, educated world perceives them, and they're not going to just take it sitting down. They'll build a new political base, they'll vote with their dollars (which are considerable), and we'll continue to fracture the coalition that could have actually levelled the economic playing field once and for all. We'll get sidelined (AGAIN!) by these petty fights between genders and races, and keep playing the wedge politics game that the folks with the real power rely on us to play so they can continue to build near infinite wealth without us claiming our fair share.

The big problem i have with Rogan is that he doesnt appear to have done any research on the subject matter (whatever it may be) and assumes that whoever he is interviewing is telling the truth, when clearly many if them are not. A lot of people take it as gospel and don't realize that they are being lied to. Maybe not directly by Rogan himself, but the damage is done.

I would not be shocked if some of his guest have paid to be on his show. Do you really think a dark money pack wouldn't or Flat Earthers do love crowd funding

41:54 Thank you for reminding me that I don't need to be FIRST to get the information. I believe the most reasonable voices will eventually rise to the top of the algorithm. A news diet with a measured PBS-approach has always served me well, and allowed me the space to process information.

What does that mean that he is proud to be a white man.

Come on guys . . . the 'line' between curiosity and idiocy isn't that hard to identify. And I'm really surprised to hear free speech equated with a platform. 😢 Episodes like this make me wonder when you're going to start debating what F@x News gets right.

Because he’s a lot less ideologically motivated and a lot more honest and trustworthy than you are.

joe rogan was a commedian before his TV shows. he got his TV shows because ppl spoted him doing standup. he was always a standup first and foremost.

“Isn’t he like a professional wrestler”. This guy reminds me of Adam Conover, in a bad way.

I was an ardent defender that Rogan didn't convert to a full on right-winger. But he truly has lost the ability consider the facts/arguments of both sides and make an educated judgement. You can tell that the only social media that he consumes is from right wing commentators. The final nail in the coffin was when he said he likes Trump over Biden because Biden lies. That is like saying the kid who stole a candy bar is more of a criminal than Bonnie and Clyde. That's how far he's fallen down the rabbit hole.

I’m concerned that Joe Rogan does indeed platform a lot of bad ideas. And that he models that it’s not worthwhile or even possible to know actual facts or truth about anything. He may be mildly curious and open minded but he’s often very lazy. It feels like his audience of man cave bros feel validated by that.

Johnny won a PULITZER PRIZE. You forgot that.

He feel authentic to people..but authenticity can be faked and curated..as we see all the time on social media..I don’t understand how people can’t see that everything online and on tv is curated.

Rogan is a capitalist. It’s up to podcast listeners to be media literate. I’m not a fan.

10:38 Funny, my preconceived notions of this pod is: social justice warrior, authoritarian, anti-democratic, anti free speech.

Loved this. My 88 year old mom said tonight she needs a newspaper because she can’t understand the Israel war discussions she is hearing on the radio. I appreciated the analysis on Joe Rogen’s show as my nephew loves his show. My nephew hates politics but likes Joe Rogen. I, too, felt repulsed by Rogen for some of what he thinks. And hearing this left wing journalist talk about the researching of Joe Rogen’s show took away some of my revulsion.

Thanks for a great conversation!

In less than 4 minutes I overdose on Joe Rogan and have to turn it off. It’s like a substance abuse going from ecstatic to excruciatingly painful. Why would one do that to themselves?

The interview with Steven Crowder is fun. Rogan calls Crowder a bitch a bunch of times.

Did Johnny notice the guests on Joe Rogan's show and how few of them are women? And the way he treats different guests, the way he's super open and curious with certain people who live inside his world view? Did he think of any context to what Joe thinks is an admissible idea (one from a bro-ey business guy like Andrew Yang) vs listening to female scientists? What episodes did he watch? Did Johnny listen to Contrapoint's discussion of that JK Rowling podcast? It feels like he kind of doesn't add any context to his opinions, like everything exists in a vacuum. Johnny seems like maybe he should rely on other people to help him understand the line, because walking around blankly means he doesn't exist in our current reality and part of why these guys are bad is the consequences of what their platforms do to people.

I'm literally bout to watch Loki s2 for the first time and ep.5 drops in two days. Needing to be first or included at any cost got old quick

Johnny is the best. Thanks for having him on.

Not a fan of Rogan content, but dude is an excellent interviewer from what I've seen. Main thing being, he doesn't talk much. He seems to give his guests a lot of breathing space to talk. I might not agree with the things coming out of their mouths, but credit where credit is due.

He's become a lazy interviewer & is digging the hero worship he's getting from the looney's.

I feel that discussing all the pain caused by our hierarchy in the US is more successful when it’s approached the way community and labor organizers do it. You can get to a place where everyone agrees it’s in their best interests to challenge it or work together - without ever telling anyone how to think.

There seems to be a default view now in the media, and even here in this podcast episode, that if something appeals to young men, it is likely to be negative. That could be a discussion on its own.

Are we really wired to process so much tragedy and outrage ? I prefer slower and more educational presentations. It’s cool to hear people just share ideas in real time but it gets very speculative real quick.

he's such a consummate videographer he brought his own coverage 😂

Who gets to decide misinformation is?

Did you not search his name on RU-vid before booking him as a guest bc… he’s notorious for misrepresenting history and facts to serve a narrative or his own personal agenda.

His interview with the woman from Westboro baptist was one of the most compelling pieces of media out there. The power of listening at its best.

Joe Rogan isn’t a journalist, talking about him like he’s one because some get their news from him doesn’t make him one either. People love him because he’s willing to let controversial, entertaining, interesting, and funny people talk and give their side. The best way to save people from “scary ideas”, is to let them hear it in full and find the cracks. There will always be people with horrible ideas and people that believe them, but shutting them down will only make people take it more legitimately.

The Joe Rogan bio at 7:40 undersells the eclectic nature of his career. I'm not a Rogan listener, but I enjoyed his old RU-vid clips and he's talked about his history, so I'll sum it up briefly. Rogan was a martial artist as a kid. He was Massachusetts state Taekwondo champion several times and was training for the Olympics when he started hanging out with MMA guys. He found that Taekwondo didn't hold a candle to MMA in terms of effectiveness and gave up on Taekwondo and the Olympics to do MMA. At the same time, he was trying to be a stand up comedian, paying the bills by being a martial arts instructor. After a little time on the stand up circuit he got the handyman role on NewsRadio _(a very underrated sitcom, imo),_ and his career as an entertainer took off. After NewsRadio he got Fear Factor, became the UFC's top announcer, and started his podcast. Rogan's appeal, at least to me, is that he's a curious, honest, well-spoken guy who isn't an idiot; he's also a legitimate expert on martial arts and MMA, and most of his best early podcast moments are with other MMA guys. He's way too confident in his own ability to discern the truth, while being a bit gullible, and can get lost in his own head sometimes. Because he's cultivated a very manly-man charisma from standup comedy, hosting and announcing, he can also be very persuasive. Sometimes that's good, sometimes it's bad, but he always comes across as authentic even though, or maybe especially because, he sometimes has dumb opinions. He isn't personally liberal or conservative _(I would describe him as politically agnostic with opinions in all directions),_ he's a little too quick to believe conspiracies, and he often lets his guests talk freely, without much pushback. The right-wingers who just want to lie to people _(Candace Owens, Alex Jones, etc.)_ often use this to their advantage, which is why he's ended up booking some pretty awful people - he lets _everyone_ say their piece for the most part, so terrible people can use his huge platform to get their messages out. He also has good, informative people on and lets them talk as well. So it's an interesting mixed bag.

And it is not okay to let people talk when you aren’t pushing back. Which rogan is known for not doing. And he platforms shitty people.