Joker Spoiler Discussion 

wait.. they kept saying he was "misspelling sense" I'm unsure if they are aware that spelling it "cents" was part of the joke? "I hope my death makes more CENTS than my life" or am i missing something here?

Maybe I'm reading too much into it but I thought his unintentional way of inciting the riots among a few other parts was kind of how he learned social engineering. He had no idea he had any influence and then all of a sudden he realizes he can manipulate people and he'll probably find it hilarious.

"Cents" instead of "sense" was not a misspelling, it was a joke with a double meaning IMO, hence that is life has no monetary value but the 3 attacker seemed to have that kind of value in spite of being despicable people.

Holy cow, of course "cents" was a double entendre guys.

The Dark Knight was more enjoyable, but this movie moved me more and hit me with more emotions. So I think they are both great in two different ways.

"I got called for that?" "It's not the f****n' fire dept." 🤣🤣🤣

Joker wasn’t “The Joker we know” until the end of the movie. If there’s a sequel we’ll probably see a pretty gnarly heist. Also don’t discredit him. He was able to come up with a lie about the gun going off on the spot. He infiltrated Arkham and stole documents by punking a guy out in a psycho way. And then he deconstructed Murray in a very articulate way, before carrying out a premeditated murder on live television. He’s not an idiot in this movie. By the end of the movie he’s learned that because of the chaos he’s caused, he’s rewarded by other’s normalizing his behavior (which is what he’s wanted), and feeding into his delusions about bringing happiness into the world, by seeing the angry lower class people taking a stand, and doing what they perceive to be “right”, while also enjoying the positive emotion that comes along with causing chaos. The pieces had to be set in this movie. I don’t understand people who complain about that. It’s what the whole movie is...setting up this character. The fact that Todd Phillips was able to do all of that in such a meta way, by portraying all of these real life mental health issues, that people choose to ignore on a daily basis, and using those issues as the causality for Joker’s decent, is why this movie is fucking genius. I would rather have this movie, than the “multi-choice origin story” (which I also love), because this movie was that good.

I liked this movie way more than you guys seemed to like it.

I think the dialogue is fantastic, because it's organic & realistic. Some people expected Dark Knight dialogue, but don't realize how much it wouldn't fit in this world/film. Todd phillips built a world where people talk to each other like regular, everyday people....not a place where people make grand speeches out of every line.

I agreed with Teddy about a lot of this but I didnt really like the pace in the first half. Beau is right, the best Batman origin was done at the end of this. A more grounded and detective Batman type might fit in this world.

I think my absolute favorite part of this movie is that so much is left up to interpretation. Did he kill Zazie Beetz's character? Did he let her daughter go? Did his co-worker *really* give him that gun or did he just buy it? Did he *really* get jumped or did he *actually* steal the sign? Were those guys on the subway *actually* assholes that pushed him, or was it all in his head? The reveal that he was seeing things changes how you can see the whole movie and really harkens back to that Killing Joke quote: "Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another. If I'm going to have a past, I'd prefer it to be multiple choice." The whole movie might just be one way Joker is remembering his origin! I can't wait to see all of the theories that come out around this movie and which of them are true.

“I may be a homicidal maniac but I’m an American homicidal maniac!"

Todd Phillips also is the only to have a accurate depiction of Gotham City it actually felt like a Character

I think the problem everyone has with the film is how realistic and down to earth it is almost a reflection of our modern day psychopath while other violence is so over the top it is more numbing viewed as a over dramatization of life

Look as a 20 year old polisci major that line isn't something I'd tweet, it's what my bio would be.

my favorite thing about this movie is that it got me really rooting for him. By the end of it, I was starting to think they do all deserve what is coming to them.

hahah you lost me at"he couldn't spell cents right". You know that was spelled on purpose "cents" and not sense...

I feel like everyone is missing that He was never Arthur Fleck hes not Thomas Waynes son, he is THE JOKER. He never had a day in his life where he was happy or had control. He had a limp and walked with his shoulders close together. But when he finally dawns the persona, Who he was meant to be he walked with swagger. If you believe he is Waynes son cool thats what Phillips wanted he wants the audience to have their own Opinions and Thoughts. What we believe about his Backstory is the truth to us. But he was always meant to be the Joker. Thats my biggest take away.

When he kills the dudes on the subway it was at first self defense but him hunting down the last dude and shot him in the back 3 times that would be considered murder. It was self defense then he felt control for the first time then he wants to finish the dude and murders him

I just noticed,on second watch, that both Joker and Batman's story start with being in the floor in an alley. I'm also not convinced the scene on the police car at the end actually happened...

as soon as I was about to get in the car for an hour! been waiting on this one; you guys are the best!!

The movie as a whole was great. My only minor complaint is that some of the scenes prolong too much, the movie itself is really well paced but some scenes aren't. The most confusing thing to me tho is how many videos and articles I've about the "themes" and "hidden meanings" of this movie when it's really not subtle at all. All in all nive discussion boys!

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i love that despite the fact that it's an origin story they still managed to incorporate the multiple choice element and keep his backstory mysterious

Got an hour of work still, what a clutch video drop.

Yo, no lie this is hands down Teddy's best discussion. I feel like he's usually trying to keep up with Beau and Aaron but in this discussion I felt like he made the best points

Sounds like the aliens from Mars Attacks.

The tone and role he played in requiem for a dream makes me think Leto could of come close to portraying Joker like Phoenix, btw great review guys, that intro caught me off guard haha

I like how when he is putting on his makeup near the end and he turns the photo of his young mother over to see, "Love your smile -T.W." Implying she was never delusional and everything she was saying in the flashback was true. He just crumples the photo like, "that ship has sailed."

It wasn’t “continuity issues “ with no cuffs or when he slips past the cops...it was all intentional!! Because a lot of it happened in his head...he is an unreliable narrator!

Normally the death of Thomas Wayne is a bit tiresome. But in this film it works brilliantly. I think this is due to to the fact that it occurs amidst the climax of the film. The fact that some random clown kills Wayne only further highlights the impact the Joker had. He truly is chaos personified.

No one is born a criminal mastermind, but he ends up in the role and embraces it. It seems to me that the film hints that he becomes a criminal mastermind as a result of learning how easily people can be manipulated and controlled. All his medication make him makes him clumsy, slouched and mentally slow and he has been on it most his life. Once he is off it he is his "true" self for the first time and who he feels he is meant to be.

I was waiting for this review

Ive been waitimg for this!!!!! I saw it tues after opening weekend

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I feel like either the continuity errors you mentioned there’s a chance they were intentional- to indicate that the scene was a fantasy projection of arthur’s mind. There’s a chance he never snuck into the theatre(super unlikely given all the security) or ran into Wayne. At the end of the scene The film snap cuts back to his apartment in the same pose as how he was standing in the theatre bathroom. Showing that it might have been imaginary. Similarly with the end. How does a random mob co-ordinate it’s actions to attack the convoy that is holding the joker and and then reverently celebrate him without any clear guidance. the fact that he’s suddenly not wearing handcuffs could be a way to show that the scene has slipped from reality and is now an idealized version in his mind, of the way the violence in the city is unfolding and identified with/celebrating him.

Maybe I'm mistaken and if so please point me in the right direction, but after a quick search I couldn't find a video or podcast about the dark knight trilogy or Heath Ledger's perfomance specifically. It seems like you guys have alot of opinion about it and enjoy the dark knight (who doesn't) and now more than ever it seems somehow of actuality. Great content as always

When Thomas and Martha Wayne got killed and you see Bruce standing over them, the score sounded reminiscent to Hans Zimmer's Dark Knight theme.

Don’t normally watch on RU-vid and stick to Spotify, but had to drop by an say Teddy’s laugh is solid.

"When you give me my Joker could you introduce me as Oscar?"

YO CRICKET! METAL GEAR REVIEWS. this is a reminder

To defend the movie. Who’s to say Joker started off as a criminal mastermind. Maybe he started only killing those who did him wrong and as time went on farther he got farther from the moral line.

My only issue with the movie was the fact they used a Gary glitter song

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The only thing that I didnt like about Joker was the age continuity. Joker is in his 30s(??) in this film and meets a 10yr old(??) Batman? In just about every other version I've seen of Batman involving Joker they seem to be the same age. If Batman in this movie was 10ish then by the time he gets to be an adult wouldn't Joker be late 50s early 60s??? Someone please explain cuz ya girl is confused lol. Otherwise absolutely loved this film. JP was amazing!

One of America’s top 5 best podcasts here. Certainly my #1 for all things cinematic/Hollywood entertainment and reviews. Bo/Beau (sp?) OUTSTANDING host and mediator and Aaron/Teddy are thunder and lightning in a tag team target and triangulate on the overall review. Aaron more the intellectual but, whose comedic timing is like Tyson’s 88 uppercut although Aaron is not so eager to land his which I sincerely respect as trying to hard would damage the product and likely take a bit more where Teddy tends to chime in with the less layered takes on the things reviewed. Teddy is a charismatic and affable bastard and Bo/Beau, what else can you say? The kid is the “equalizer” he acts as the fulcrum and balances it all out. Love it all. Especially reviews of good films. You guys are awesome. Cheers

Anyone else notice the comedian they used in the standup set, Gary Gulman, has a comedy special on HBO where he discusses mental health issues he has had to deal with all his life. Great standup, highly recommended and very fitting to put him in the movie.

You mention him getting into the security event with Thomas Wayne. I would like to have seen him do that as well as get onto the Wayne grounds in a clever way. As well as may be making neat inventions or even medicines for his mom. That would have given us at least the high intelligence that I expect of the Joker

The JOKER is NOT a superhero movie!

This was a great movie. Joaquin Phoenix was immense! After listening to interviews with the director I understand this movie more. Arthur Fleck isn't Batman's Joker, but might be an inspiration to Batman's Joker. Besides, there's a huge age difference between Arthur Fleck and Bruce Wayne, whereas Batman and Joker more or less has the same age. I'm disappointed that you guys didn't go into his illusions. There are many people speculating that many of the scenes were just Arthur's illusion, and they make some good points. Was looking forward to hearing your thoughts.

the original script fills in a few of the continuity issues he manages to sneak in to meet Thomas Wayne because the security is occupied by massive riots outside he takes a new gun off his dead coworker, explaining where he suddenly has more bullets the masks are based on the description of his makeup from the subway shooting (probably given by the woman who was on the train) he takes one of the masks and bases his final design on it

Great movie, a great omage to 70's Cinema, and a great stand alone character piece.

Can someone answer this question to me, please? What is the connection between the main character of this movie and the comik book joker besides the name and the green hair?

Why is there -11:11- on the clock at his work, the "flashback" to the hospital and on the one at his psychiatrist?

Joker is Maleficent done right

I noticed the got targareyn music too...👌🏼

Imagine if Shindlers List came out in 2020: “ oh no, it’s too dark”. Yeah no shit

When joker is in his room he has the clown mask on his mirror. The whole clown riots were in his head. The riots were for the garbage strike but in Arthurs head they were all wearing the clown mask. Like you said. Do you think everyone in ny,uhh excuse me, gotham bouth the same mask from the same guy? It was part of arthurs delusion

Guys don't sleep on Knives Out.

He did mean to kill the people on the subway. He chased down the last guy.

I think its a masterpiece. I think a lot of the "errors " were actually delusions. Like the clown masks on everyone.

Question: Do you think this will be the new formula for DC films moving forward?

It's a double entendre. Here's another Real eyes realize real lies.

Joaquin Phoenix was fantastic in Joker but critics are saying that Adam Driver could win best actor for Marriage Story 👀

Definitely my favorite movie of the year, possibly of this decade.

Solid discussion with three movie geeks with good wit and chemistry. +1

Teddy I shit my pants, can you pick me up?... I'm scared

I loved how this Joker was really just an opportunist who figured out that the angry underbelly of Gotham was where he could find the love he always craved.

Teddy the people’s champion

The story I tell myself is that this is the inspiration "Our Joker" gets the whole clown idea from.

I kinda like that he wasn't a mastermind but a regular guy per se that "fell" into the role? Just because it punched more how he was more of a symbol that Gotham "created", like Gotham had this problem that this guy was a product of and Gotham PUT him into this role and all he did was embrace it. One of the many Joker theories is that there're multiple jokers so I could see that theory working with this where say the first Joker's this regular guy is impacted by Gotham's broken system and say dies outside the public's knowledge or something but inspires someone else to take up the Joker persona thats calculating and manipulative like the Joker we all know because in this movie hes more of a belief and idea maybe even "mantle", PLUS the public didnt really knew who he was but his "public" persona if that makes sense. In this way he rivals batman in the fact that he's almost an urban legend or myth or even title that Gotham created as opposed to Batman intentionally creating his myth/lore. That would also explain the different ages of joker in various Batman movies and shows along with driving home an even larger motivation to Batman hating him, in that hes almost this belief or idea thats always been around Bruce who can't get rid of

It seemed pretty obvious to me that the entire movie was the hallucination of a mentally insane person in an asylum.

"All i have is negative thoughts,but you don't Listen...."arthur/joker

teddy bless him

This joker didn't realize his position in life until the riots.

I really didn't like how intelligent he seemed but if they make a sequel I'd like to see him develop into his criminal genius and actually have some agency and showing him growing into his leadership position...

Bit disappointed with this discussion. Personally my favourite part of this film is that you don't know which parts actually occurred - especially the end. It's clearly established that Arthur is an unreliable narrator, but you all just seem to be accepting everything unquestionably. Seems strange that you don't at least raise the question.

Most of the controversy is related to the fact that it's Joker and the Aurora Colorado movie theater Batman premiere shooting. The shooter looked similarly to the Joker and there were unsubstantiated rumors that he called himself that during his arrest but it's been denied by the police.

Around the 35-minute park when they I talkin about Arthur killing those people in the subway. The first one was self defense the second one was a little shady and the third one he chased down. As the subway opened he dashed toward the door weighted for the injured man to leave running and then left and chased and pursued him shot him in the back, murdering him and then found a bathroom and did a yoga dance. that's when Joker came into frowition.

I watched this movie this weekend and i was so impressed . Firstly i didnt find fault at all with this joker and the people need to understand that we live in a world were most violent people were once innocent and just bullied till they go over the edge and add mental illness into the mix and we get a joker Its crazy how people wanted to be introduced to a serial killer straight off the bat and not want to know what pushed the serial killer over the edge, i felt so bad for joker he was a innocent man who wanted more for himself and society kept pushing him into a deep dark hole and thus we got the birth of the joker....The build up was terrific i have 0 complaints im thoroughly satisfied at how this movie started and ended

I think your missing the point that this is the birth of the joker He isn’t THE joker yet I don’t think there is that much of a jump between the joaquin phoenix joker and health ledger joker - I think the biggest difference is time Health ledgers joker already did time in Arkham - he didn’t just appear in Gotham fully formed as that Joaquins joker at the very end in arkham has the potential to evolve into a criminal mastermind once he inevitably escapes

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This is only the beginning of Joker. He just came to be his destiny. You can't expect him to be a Mastermind. Heath's Joker is already an established Joker.

I don’t get this obsession of joker being a mastermind. He never has been. He represents pure chaos. His success resides in his unpredictability. He sees the world and his plans like no one else which is why batman struggles to work him and his plans out. That’s his genius - the fact he is the antithesis of genius. This portrayal was perfection and Ledger had the same vibe. How can you solve a criminal with no motive?

I was expecting a lot more from this flick, a lot more. Of course...there are so many comic/graphic novel movies being made maybe it's general burnout. Maybe it's Ledger's creating sheer perfection in his Joker, taking fantastic dialogue to levels to rival any drama cinema has produced... I see what they were trying for, but it's become the cliche anymore, is the bad guy really a bad guy when life's shit on him? Phoenix has turned in some great performances-to me anyway-but...just nothing really worked for me on this one.

Hello guys, I understand your point about this Joker not being this sort of "Yang-mastermind". But I think the movie is very well balanced in that sense: the Joker didn't choose to become the Joker and Bruce doesn't choose his faith either, they are both put in that situation of having to become something else in order to overcome their current situation. In order for the Joker of Joaquín Phoenix to truly embrace his skills (like Heath Ledger's Joker) Batman needs to exist as well. As long as Bruce is just Bruce, the Joker won't be this mastermind you expected. Maybe the intention of the movie is to show what fuels future Joker and future Batman.

The Joker did go international once....he was officially appointed the US ambassador to Iran.

Just think of how much better their opinions of this movie would be if somebody could tell them that Arthur didn't misspell "sense", they just didn't get the joke.

How about when he suffocated his mom, yet she was hooked up to O2 for a continuity error.

But like, Joker was not a mastermind in Killing Joke. It’s more about how he says fuck it all

When Critics and News outlets talk about how this film might incite Violence even though we’ve been having that Convo sin the 90’s with video games and movies. But completely miss the messages about Mental Illness, Social Divide, Poverty, and Just not being a dick!!

Great film. It had you feeling bad for the Joker honestly. That's how I felt anyway.

Did he hallucinate meeting Wayne in that building during the rally?

Am I the only one who thinks that the last scene is the real beginning of the movie, and that's how he escaped the asylum in the first place?

I was thinking that with the 3 good jokers (sit down letto I didnt mean you) In live action cinema they represent the fears and anxieties of the current social economic state that they were created in. Jack Nicholson's joker was made in the eighties which was a time of economic and materialistic success. So the bulk of people were pretty happy middle class people, Hence why he was using the materialism of make up products and so on to attack Gotham. The Dark Knight was made in 2008. By this point there was growing anxieties about terrorism and Questioning politics and what is truly moralistic but in the end we still root for the traditional hero. The last decade since The Dark Knight Has seen a shift in the social economical and political landscape where the government is not at all for the people, mental illness is on the rise and the access to the help they need to function is non existant. Each joker is a reflection of the times.

Yea him spelling sense as cents was part of the joke.

same i love the social network really i love anything sorkin

You didn't show up on my Subs videos! Its bull! I could have seen this 3 days ago.