@@DarthVader-tt5yy well he did in the Arkham Knight, in this showcase it was the beating and leaving him for dead. SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS and in this one Bruce died to save Jason.
@@theequalizer2465 Not really. An anarchist believes he is making the world better. The Joker wants to burn the world because he likes to make people suffer and destroy everything around him for the sake of it.
I love how whenever anybody’s about to kill Joker he immediately monologues until he’s set up a scenario where they morally/philosophically lose if they kill him
Only because Joker's victims are apparently dumb as hell. His argument is "you kill people, so you're just as bad as me", but anyone who's thought outside that logic for a second will know that they're not comparable at all based on WHO they kill. Jason kills criminals that terrorize and corrupt gotham, Joker kills innocents for fun. BIG BIG BIG DIFFERENCE.
@@Manglet762 i want a comic likr this Joker:all your years wasted in a war being as killing machine as the bastards you kill ,you think you are better tha-fall down to the ground with a bullet in the face MC:i never said that i am better
@@Manglet762 that's so much more than that dude jason decipated people on daily i know criminals are bad but jason has no lines if its a criminal then he allows himself to kill him or torture any way he wants which is the point, jason has no morals just an excuse to satasfy his bloodlust.
@@neonmatt24 I know. It’s funny even if he can’t remember all the other stuff he did Jason still clearly wants to shoot joker in this scene with the gun he’s holding so either way the “I don’t kill” thing doesn’t work.
@@ianm5686 Exception? Nonsense. Sure there are a few super villains worth more alive than dead, like Brainiac or Lex Luthor, and sure there are some honest crooks who just need some help like Mr Freeze and Kirk Langstrom. But exception? Anyone like Joker or Darkseid should be killed immeadiately if a person has any sense. They don't really even have a reason.
For those that don’t understand the “just one bad day” line it’s joker’s philosophy where he is just ahead of the curve and that all it takes is one bad day
@@lynetterobinson2681 it’s possibly true. You see it all the time. There’s people who’ve committed murders and all that, and one common theme among friends and family is they never sAw that person doing those things. One bad day is all it takes.
I alkways though it was something out of "The Killer Joke", where Joker push Batman to his absolute limits, to try to show how anyone could turn into him, with one sufficient bad day.
Not that rare. In the comics and in some movies and cartoons, The Joker can actually fight. It’s only because he’s fighting Batman all the time that it looks like he can’t.
I wish he was a real treat to Batman in terms of fighting though. And instead the writers fucking fixing him to make him much more buff more skilled they just let him like that....
i know everyone is talking about joker calling out jason on his bs but can we all just appreciate how that fake hand joker had was such a joker thing to do
@@imcrazyforwar he is a chemist and has good jokes. In a way it's like when Harley Quinn does a therapy session. Why not be eccentric lol intelligence will only isolate you in the end.
That "i knew their was a joke under that mask, but i never expected this punch line" really got me. Its both insults redhoods work but also hes proud of the monster hes made
I like how the moment Joker realizes he's won he willingly puts his head against the gun as opposed to before when Joker was actively fighting Jason and trying to kill him. Same thing with the Dark Knight movies with Two face. The moment he convinces the other person they're just like him he doesn't care about fighting or living, he wants the person to kill him and live with the fact that they're his replacement in spirit even if not literally being the next Joker.
I think that's what people tend to get confused with. His (or at least this Joker's) goal isn't really to create a new joker. His goal is to show that anyone, even the so-called "incorruptible heroes" can stoop to his level if pushed far enough. Jason killed so many people just to get to Joker. And what's worse, is that he lied to himself about not doing that. That (in Joker's eyes) puts him on about the same level of Joker because at least he admits he's crazy, while Jason lies to himself. It's kinda like in the Injustice movie, where the Joker pushes Clark into killing him. Knowing full well once he does, it will cause a domino effect that pushes Clark to do more and more heinous actions due to one day. The day everything went wrong. The day he lost his wife and child. One. Bad. Day. To drive the most good willed people to commit evil.
It is one of the most interesting aspects of the Joker, and why it's also interesting that in some of the DC universes and/or Batman stories where he does die, it's usually by accident and his own hand unintentionally. Movies like Return of the Joker (whether it's the censored or uncensored version) and the way he was portrayed in the Arkham games show that. It shows how much Joker's philosophy backfires on himself - he projects that everyone else can easily become a monster just like he is due to trauma (especially with Batman) when the truth is he's his own worst enemy no matter what he says about Batman (as well as Batman not needing him as he thinks).
It's kind of creepy when you find out if this is big of a dog off from Adventure Time literally talkand then he actually sounds like with a joker would sound like Annie doesn't just do the cake boys but creep ear
One Bad Day. That line is perfect because that’s how the joker was created in the Killing Joke. One Bad Day is what turned Jason into Red Hood. It’s genius. One Bad Day created Joker, One Bad Day created Red Hood, One Bad Day created Batman. This is amazing
I feel so awful for Jason in this scene. He was a boy who was brutally murdered, when joker started pointing out everything it was like jason reverted to that small childlike state
That's a really terrifying thing. Becoming a monster on its own is bad enough but becoming a monster and literally forgetting that you've done so is outright horrifying.
I love the way he delivers the "one... bad... day!" line. It's like he's saying "I did it! I actually did it!" The sheer evil in how Joker always reacts to what should be his just deserts is great. He doesn't care if you do horrible things to him, because making you into the kind of person who would do those things is the highlight of his life.
All that stuff about kill Joker than your as bad as he is The best way to counter that is basically explaining this by comparing a small water to an ocean
I like the accent that Joker puts into his voice near the end of his rant lol. Also, I guess this explains why instead of just killing the joker outright he tries to get Bruce to do it.
@@alexmansfield3268 Ah, my bad then. Kind of felt like this scene would be able to slot right into a part right before Jason confronts him and eventually reveals he has the joker captive.
1:03 The fact that Joker needed to process what happened is practically out of character and makes the moment all the more impactful. He finally proved his philosophy without even trying to. This take on Red Hood almost makes me forgive the lazarus pit shpeel.
Someone once said on an under the red hood video (since age gated, thanks coppa) that joker finding out red hood is jason is like fishing for spare change in your couch, only to find a couple hundred dollar bills instead. I do believe this statement to be the best at describing that scene
@meshachbrandon233 Except that Gordan, Batman, & Oracle all proved him wrong. Then again, his Earth-22 (Injustice) version managed to pull the 'one bad day' trick on Superman, so...
I love the voice actor I just feel it was lazy on DC’s part to do alternate endings instead of an original movie. Would of liked to see an Identity Crisis adaptation.
I love that Joker is so practiced in fighting Batman and the various Robins that he actually got the upper hand for a second. He even managed to take the knife from its sheath.
It's so unbelievable to think that the same person who threw Jason into the abyss of murder and revenge was the same person who ultimately made him see what he became. With that act we can really say: ''You became what you swore to destroy ''
And it's not even Jokers fault (well, kinda). Jason always had a problem where he'd go too far with combatting criminals with Batman, and was on a path towards his more-violent form of Justice. Joker kills Jason, and the Lazarus Pit awakened his inner demon.
As is, it could've ended fine. Hell, it's enough as is since Joker tells Jason he played himself. Hell, regardless of the outcome, he'll have to live knowing he was the reason Joker came back.
This was the moment Jason understood why Batman had a code. Because if he did not have a moral limit, one day, the Joker or any other villain, would just show him as much evil he truly was by acting evil for the "greater good". Batman really is smarter than people think.
That’s what makes Batman so interesting because both sides have a point killing the joker would save so many lives but Batman is to selfish in his own ego to do it and break his code but on the other side of Batman starts killing what’s to make him stop
in life there will always be exceptions to rules. the decision to take the life of another should not be dished out lightly. as Jason so aptly put it. joker is different from any other batman villain in dc. there is no redemption for joker. no matter what angle you look at it from there is no reason to keep the joker alive. it has been shown time and time again that he can not be contained as he always escapes any confinement he is put in. and free he takes pleasure in causing chaos and death just for the sake of it. every moment he is free he ruins innocent lives. the death penalty should not be dished out lightly yes but in the case of joker everyone would agree its the best course of action in the interest of EVERYONE any citizen who would look at jokers body count and lives he has ruined will agree that yes the joker needs to die. benefit of doubt? there is a limit to giving benefit of the doubt before it just becomes blind belief. after the countless trials and times joker has been put away only to escape and kill again or fake remorse to be released just to turn around and kill again. yeah benefit of the doubt is long gone. so in summery joker should be the only exception to batmans rule. there is no benefit to leaving him alive. if batman can't kill him himself without letting all the rage, anger, and hatred that's built up inside him running rampant, then let someone else who is more mentally sound do the job for you. we all know that the only thing holding back batman from becoming a monster is his only rule. he is so mentally broken and has all the necessary qualities to easily become one and he knows it. that's why he sticks to his rule so dogmatically, its the only think keeping him grounded and sane. think of it like this. you got all the necessary ingredients to create a perfect monster gathered in one placed batmans rule is the only thing keeping all those ingredients from mixing. but if we are talking the REAL reason why joker isn't dead. its because he is the best villain in dc and they don't want to lose him. there is no more iconic batman villain than joker.
@@ljllob4740You miss a very important part that so many people like to ignore just to make Batman edgy for no good reason: Batman doesn’t kill because he’s full of compassion, for me his best incarnation will always be the The Animated Series where he fights against evil as much as he tries to make these people seek help and provide it to them, that’s why he sends them to Arkham just so they can regain their sanity, because Batman is the person that took “His one worst day” as Joker likes to say and instead of transforming into yet another villain, he took the pain and loss and used it to create Batman. If you can’t imagine a certain iteration of Batman comforting a crying child, than that’s no Batman, that’s just Punisher with a funny hat. This is what Red Hood/Jason Todd lacks, compassion, to be strong enough not just to beat out the criminals and villains, but to be the one that can save people from that darkness. It’s completely idealistic, but in this day and age of cynicism, I think we need more of TAS Batman.
@dawnseeker176 At the same time Jason's mission seems more foolish than Batman's. Sure he said that he just wanted Joker dead, he also killed Black Mask and several other criminals. It would never be enough. He teeters somewhere between Batman and The Punisher.
This is one aspect of the Joker I wish would be shown more often: his ability to make any situation work for him so that he comes out on top. He’s clearly making this up as he goes along in an effort to save his own skin, but he could tell when he’d gotten to Jason to the point that he wouldn’t shoot, so he just taunted him to cement that point.
@@beckhornig7910 Joker certainly wouldn't let a Nazi have the last laugh. If he knew he was about to die he'd have one last trick up his sleeve before he let then take him
Simple solution, find a way to flip the joke on him. Because despite popular belief, joker has shown multiple times to fear death when the joke is on him. Two of the biggest examples being The Hush storyline where Joker was actually scared for his life because batman was finally pushed to the point where he was willing to kill joker, but it was for a crime he had nothing to do. And the other being that Batman:TAS episode where joker just decided to harass this poor random dude all day, until the guy finally snapped and was willing to blow both joker and himself up, terrifying the joker because as he put it “this is how the Joker ends, no plans, no schemes, no final battle with the dark knight, but instead being blown to ashes by some random nobody in a ally way” and this left the joker practically shitting his pants.
@@alexmansfield3268 he wasn't ever fearful of death he was fearful of how he was going to die. Alone. That's his point he knows he's been alone his whole life and when him and Batman fight he feels complete, like there's a purpose to continue doing what he does. Without that life for him is pointless, until he is curious of the red hood and ends up being almost just as happy as when he fights batman that's why he wanted to die when he asked who your daddy because he felt like Robin was going to kill him which he wanted Batman to do this whole time and Batman's 1 purpose is not to kill otherwise they lose and turn psychopathic, in his words that's his joke
@@huntergabriel8875 More or less that, except I think this was for another reason. He was afraid because he was going to die without a last fight with Batman.
This is the best take on Jason's murderous rampage: a surprise twist where Joker reveals that Jason has been pulling "Joker style jokes" and turning himself into a "copycat killer" all along without realizing it.
0:49 I never get tired of him hitting the joker with the crowbar the way he did. A crowbar for a crowbar. I like how they gave different endings like this. I really like this one because it truly is something I never saw coming as the Joker said and left me somewhat speechless. Also if I were in his shoes, I would have pulled the trigger due to all of the things the Joker has already done and will continue to do as soon as he broke out like he always does. There are some individuals that need to be stopped permanently and if Joker was a real person, he would be one. Thanks for uploading this scene. One of my favorites. ❤️🖤❤️🖤
There are so may loop holes around that promise. Loophole 1: "I killed everybody, except for the Joker." Loophole 2: "I killed Joker for paralyzing Barbara Gordon." Loophole 3: "I had it orchestrated so that somebody else killed the Joker."
I love how Joker is basically always ahead of his enemies. You kill him, he has what he wants. You let him win, he has what he wants. And to show that he's always ahead is his antics along with his iq being 350 just shows his power in gotham.
Whats scary about this scene is realizing the situation and fully grasping the meaning of it Batman and Joker are two sides of one coin they really are and each one represents a different side of humanity Batman is someone who was hurt by the world and is determined to never let that happen to anyone else ever again the Joker experienced the same fate but wants to break the world to make them like him sick and insane not out of revenge but to understand himself again in some twisted way because in his mind everything is a joke everyone has a breaking point and it only takes one bad day for anyone to become like him. The only unbreakable person he's ever met is Batman which is why they're archenemies Joker sees Batman as a challenge and makes it his life's mission to break him he shot and paralyzed Barbara and tested and traumatized Commissioner Gordon, he tortured and disfigured Tim Drake, and he beat and killed Jason Todd all in attempts to break Batman to force him through the the pain and blood of his loved ones to pick up a gun and kill him because I believe that's what the Joker wants most in the world to be killed but only wants Batman to one to pull the trigger because then only then would have he won and proved his point but he fails to break Batman every time so the battle rages on.
@Samuel Andrew it's like an expression what joker did to robin was like a father turning his son into a different human not the biological bad luck meaning
Okay now this was truly an amazing scene. Red Hood and Joker face to face. I think what I love about this scene is the fact that not only does Joker mock at Jason but he calls him out how he is not even remotely close to what Batman is. I truly believe that deep down Joker believes Batman was the only true hero he could never break cause even he does seem to show some sort empathy which parallels to his sadistic laughter on red hood situation. I find the reference of the entire joke punchline (Joker 2019) really funny when think about the idea of how Jason remotely doesn't even realize what he has been doing until the one and only person who hates him is willing to reveal the truth which really puts you into the perspective onto how the villain truly understand Jason situation which I find scary. P.S the "I got you a crowbar, a little song, a little dance and a little dynamite in your pants. And you were reborn." Sends shiver down my spine because it just further proves Joker one bad theory which I'm assuming he is implying.
Yeah, at one point, Joker reveals to Batman that he never wants either of them to win the game. The game they play, he literally wants to do it forever and ever. So whenever Batman dies in these things, the Joker tends to become inactive/catatonic.
Jokers respect for batman can be summarized by what he says to lex luther after he mocks joker for being unable to beat batman and thinking he could just show up and beat super man calling him ez mode "There's nothing mere about that mortal"
Joker is definitely one of,if not the best villain that are genuinely terrifying,like,I cannot imagine marvel,dark horse comics,Disney literally anyone make such threatening villain such as the Joker DC really nailed this one
This scene is absolutely beautiful, Joker calls Jason out on his bs and goes over every kill that he committed throughout the film. This is why Batman never kills, both Batman and Joker know that of Batman crosses that line, Batman is no better than Joker. Jason was too blinded by rage and vengeance to understand in the original but in this scene Joker opens his eyes.
@@Shuyin781 not in this particular version. This is part of a chose your own adventure kind of movie and in this particular sequence he didn’t go in the pit
I love the way John delivers the “who’s your daddy?” line he sounds so menacing. And I also think his joker laugh sounds even more psychotic than when he was in under the red hood.
“SO ADMIT IT SON! Who’s your daddy?” I loved this movie when you was a kid and now 15 that line still runs chills down my back. This has got to be the best joker yet with all his gadgets like the hand, perfect. Love you Jason ❤ PZ. I do love Jason very much so nobody plz hate that.
@@jermainekngdom3154 okay Jason wasn't really bad from the start granted he wasn't the better Robin then Dick but he did have his moments. In the modern retelling such as the TV show Titans and the comic book Batman The Adventure Continues they do fuck it up.
@@justintatum9233 It's all Jason. Todd was going to become a primal if Bruce hadn't adopted him from the streets, so he was already bad. Batman just suppressed it.
@@blair5475 explain why he was taking care of his non-biological mother despite the fact that she was sick. Explain how he was the first son Bruce actually legally adopted. Sure as Robin he did get a lot more violent but he usually did it out of defense like there was a time when he nail gun a goons hand because he hurt Barbara, or the time when he pushed or spooked a rapist off a roof. Like I said he definitely had a lot of violent moments but usually those violence came in terms of Defense.
I can understand why most people would've liked Jensen Ackles to reprise this role. Vincent Martella's alright, but his voice is suited for a younger teenage Robin. Although, I have to admit, he's doing well in this film. Wish I could find the other routes.
I figured that since all the scenes take place a or two after his torture ( instead of the 5 he canonically does ) that he didn’t mature enough to get the ackles voice.( he would have preferred Jensen ackles as well but still a decent flick.
One of the best depictions of the Joker, his whole goal is to break Batman but by breaking Jason Todd instead he gets more satisfaction with how far he pushed him.
The interactive version of death in the family truly is amazing. I saw another ending where the red hood didn’t show up so the joker did retire and tried to move on with his life but Jason ended up killing him at a diner.
“A little song, a little dance, some dynamite in your pants” Like Jack Nicholson Joker saying to Vale he wants “oh a song, a little dance, Batman’s head on a lance”
The voice direction here is magnificent. The Joker actually sounds proud of Jason like watching his son hit a home run in the Big Leagues. “Who’s your Daddy?” Even with a gun to his head, Joker wins.
"Everyone creates the thing they dread. Men of peace create engines of war, invaders create avengers." Ultron. Batman created the Joker and the Red Hood.
As much as I love Mark Hamill, I have to admit, he is getting old. I mean, physically. He's not gonna be around to voice the Joker forever. I feel like John DiMaggio is amazing as the Clown Prince of Crime.
@@tomnorton4277 both are good. i find tudyk's to be more creepy and sadistic, with dimaggio more chaotic and manic. And while i havent read the 3 Jokers comic series yet, i now have the urgent desire to see a version with Hamill, Dimaggio and Tudyk providing the voices.
I believe this is where Jason realized why Batman doesn't Kill literally like he said if he kills he won't come back to normal and that's literally the Joker explanation right here with Jason he's the perfect example
@@AspieMediaBobby lmao oh it actually is? well they shouldve casted someone else, his voice doesnt fit the psycho chaotic criminal, more like Black Mask kinda villain.
@@MarcAlcatraz 1. "Psycho chaotic" Joker is only one take on the character. 2.John DiMaggio`s take and design for The Joker in "Under The Red Hood" was a mix of the Jack Nicholson,Heath Ledger and Mark Hamill versions with Jack`s physicality and gangsteresque persona,Heath`s demonic baritone and nihilism and Mark`s crazed,sadistic whimsy .
It’s ironic, Jason is the only one who can make a valid argument to Batman, and now joker is the one making the argument to Jason. also the video is 4 minutes and 20 seconds long.
As a whole movie, it's a series of vignettes with narration tying them all together due to the choice-driven nature of the product. That isn't to say those vignettes aren't good though.
To me 3:39 is the ultimate example of Joker’s point, it is only because of his knowledge of Joker that he would ever think about doing the ‘Bang’ flag. It’s one of his signature and he directly took it from him and specially built it into his rocket it launcher.
I like how these newer movies show just how much of a strong fighter the joker is the reality is that the joker is really tough strong and a competent brawler
John DiMaggio in my opinion was incredible as the Joker in this movie, between his voice and laugh, DiMaggio gave us an incredible sinister kind of Joker that we all wanted to see on the big screen. 🔥🔥
DiMaggio is by far the most underrated Joker voice. He is in my opinion just as good, if not better, than Hamill’s version. The way he pulls off the sinister lines while also nailing the hysterical laughter is insane. By far and away one of the best versions.
I wouldn't go so far as to say he's better than Hamill, but he is an amazing Joker in his own right, so different that he may almost be considered a different character. Three Jokers indeed... Hamill, DiMaggio, and Ledger. Though I can't count out Nicolson or Romero... so Five Jokers?
I love that expression of "What have I done?!" Weather you're blinded by rage or simply didn't think your plans through, you've become the one in the wrong!
1:24 I love how Robin is so taken aback when he realized he's been played (at least in Joker's mind). And then he straight makes Robin see it that way.
Anyone notice how Joker's standing drop-kick on Jason Todd was hard enough to send him flying into a car and push it back? The Joker must weigh like 700 pounds, he didnt even take a step
I know this is a comment on Joker not supposedly being super strong, but honestly, considering what he has survived, wouldn't be shocked if the Ace Chemicals increased the density of his bones and skin. Mix that with an unshackled psyche, and ya got someone that can deliver a hefty punch...or kick.
And then Jason kicked a car door open hard enough to send Joker flying twice as far. The leverage of that door worked against Jason. So whatever Joker's dropkick was, Jason's stationary kick was thrice that. Hahaha
Let's be honest joker wanted jason to be just like him it was all part of his plan not to just mess with batman but to create another killer with no morals just like him
@@justagamer4386 I don't think so. I've heard people complain that they can't make the decisions on digital. You can only do that with with an actual disc or blu-ray.
