@@J4sse no he wanted to push rick to the edge The gun itself wouldn't have had any bullets, and the scene would've went down as planned, rick would've stabbed shane like he did But the twist is, after the stabbing and shane being killed, rick would've discovered there was no bullets and kno that shane wasn't trying to kill him, only push
Would have been more dramatic too, to know he killed his best friend and didn't need to. But I guess they wanted Shane to be the bad guy so his arc would be more dramatic. Hard to say which option was better.
Sometimes the actors who inhabit the characters have the best ideas.... This is a brilliant one and I wish they had explored Jon's idea more in the show. In the end tho, I always felt that Shane was doing what Jon described. Furthermore, it's basically confirmed in Season 9 that Rick turned into Shane after killing him, so Jon's idea came into fruition regardless of the death scene
Yeah I mean the scene, while it played out different to what Jon had in mind, still achieved the same outcome for rick in that it pushed him and forced him out of his comfort zone in order to truly become a survivor just like shane was from the very beginning.
No it is t Shane and Rick are vastly different people. Rewatch the show. Shane’s journey would have ended in the CDC if not for the often calm, collected, charismatic, and cautious Rick.
@@suron9135 I don't think so. I think Shane deep down knew that he could never have what he wanted (Lori and Carl to himself).They would never accept him if he showed up with Rick dead. He might have realized that he had to go out and that if he was going to do that, he might as well do some good. Forcing Rick to transform into the monster he needed to be would be a worthy sacrifice. And it would help protect Lori and Carl, whom he loved, and keep them happy...
To me, it would be silly and out of character for Shane to suddenly, suicide basically in order to turn Rick into a stronger man. Clearly HE wants to be the leader, suddenly wanting to kill himself with the plan of making Rick stronger that way is really strange.
@@suron9135 Definitely prefer the way the show did it because it allows you to interpret it how you please. If they went with Jon's idea, it would solidify the notion rather than just come across as a possibility.
It's pretty much the same thing that happened. Shane had a bunch of chances to kill Rick in cold blood but he didn't, even holstered his gun at one point taunting Rick to kill him. So even though Shane's gun wasn't empty, his goal and motivation was still the same, he wanted to die and in doing so pushing Rick to become hardened. He was never truly a bad guy, just a broken one.
This idea is INSANE. It’s honestly so much more poetic than his actual ending. It clearly wasn’t how his intentions were heading overall in the show, but damn that idea is amazing
I am rewatching season 2 and the same thing keeps hitting me right now, same as it did when I watched season 2 for the first time in my early twenties: everything Shane is prognosticating and preparing them for ( sometimes w/o even realizing it ) comes to be, while he is dually informing them ( in ways ) of the sort of animals they are all indeed going to have to become in order to survive. None of this was on accident and it all came out in the wash, but I do prefer Bernthal's idea for this^ particular season 2 ep 12 scene where Shane kicks off. It would have hit with a stronger'ish gravity. Either way, season 2 is still my favorite and it remains amazing. The older I get, the more nuances and depth I catch in season 2, even down to the pauses and glances between the characters. The 0's into the early tens was a true gem of an era for a lot of tv and even popular film. Adios and Jahspeed to THAT. Thank you for giving us what you gave us. 🤘
If only they did this. As ruthless and insane as Shane was turning, it would have been an awesome detail to show that Shane still cared dearly for his friend and would never try to hurt him. Mannn. If only...
That's really amazing, but it would have changed the whole trajectory of the Character Rick. Rick is supposed to be the Godzilla of empathy and second chances, that's the whole premise.
Phenomenal actor and person. Dude unironically carried the first two seasons for me (i know, calm down rick daryl and glenn fans) and wish he got to at least season 4. Waste of a talent and loved the dynamics and complexities of his character because no matter how much people hate him, he was right on a lot of things.
Dammit I wish production would listen to their actors more cause that was a phenomenal idea like why in tf did they not go this route?? It’s objectively wayyyy deeper
He is so humble and respectful in how he talks to his fans. “Do you want the short version or the long version?” He wants to give us his time, not just showing up to conventions for the pay check. “Forgive me if you’ve heard this before,” not “I’ve answered this so many times already.”
After what he did to Otis and betraying Rick with sleeping with his wife and also finding out he didn't know where he belonged anymore tbh and lost his best friend.
Damn this would have been much better than the ending they had for him. And it fits with his character pretty well too. In that dream sequence from Season 9 Shane basically tells Rick that he thinks he made the right choice by killing him that night. So I guess the writers did not include Jon’s idea then, but they did pay a small tribute to it by having Shane acknowledge that deep down he wanted Rick to do it.
Oh That's an Awesome Take on it. And I can still kind of see that in the scene we got, even though gun was Loaded. Still, how much of a mind F*** would it be to Rick if he found out the gun of his "Brother" he just murdered was empty.
This reminds me of the original Resident Evil 2 when after Ada (who was threatening to shoot Leon if he didn't hand her the G-Virus sample) "dies", if you check her gun you find out that ot was empty and she was never going to shoot you. This should definitely have been the scene! Still is in my head cannon since, as Jon said here, he played it in a way that definitely hints Shane was pushing Rick to step-up and become what he had to become.
That would’ve been epic in my opinion if they had done Jon’s idea. Because if Shane had used an empty gun to force Rick to step up, it would’ve demonstrated while Shane was dangerous he always cared about Rick. Enough that he sacrificed himself so that Rick could survive in the world.
That's actually really cool in concept, and a lot deeper than what we got (which is still great) but ultimately it doesn't fit who Shane was as a person. He was too erratic and wanted Lori/Carl as his own more than he wanted Rick to be a good leader. He saw himself as the man he wished Rick was. Wouldn't have made much sense contextually speaking unfortunately.
That would have been so much better in both a cinematic sense, and from a storytelling standpoint. It would have further the world's/series' non black and white characters, and given Rick even more depth, as well as Shane.
It would have been too messy I think personally. It doesn’t follow his character decent. He can’t be going crazy throughout the whole season and then at the very last minute have a redeeming death.
Nah as poetic as that sounds like I think it would be detrimental to Rick cause it might give him false hope. Imagine if Rick actually believe that governor would live with them in a utopian society, they would’ve been wiped out
I know everyone’s jumping all over this and thinking it’s amazing, but I’m glad the writers didn’t do it. It’s essentially suicide by cop. Decent plot twist but not at all true to the character. Shane never wanted to die. He was all about survival. His whole motivation in season 2 was that he wanted to lead the group because he felt he was the only one who was capable(which in a sense he was). Suddenly making a switch and wanting Rick to kill him as rite of passage is not a good ending to that arc.
If you notice, most of the masculine characters were removed. Shane, Rick, Earl, Carl, Glenn, Abraham, JeSus. They killed off Carl, who survived everyone in the Comics, and replaced him with a little girl. The men were killed off to make way for a feminist show for sure. Carol, Michonne, Alpha, Maggie, Sasha, Rosita, Tara. All were kept alive while the men were either killed or emasculated (Negan)
