Jon is literally elite level debater. Chris Wallace is, for whatever you think of him, an advanced interviewer and debater. Jon runs absolute circles around him while being ambushed by all the questions.
I was mildly impressed with Wallace. He had many carefully laid traps, and didn't get thrown by Stewart like most people do. Stewart had to actually slow down to navigate things at multiple points to not get caught, whereas he usually dances all round folks so quickly they don't even realize they got got. On the other hand, Stewart walked right into the lion's den, and though he had to be careful it still was not a terribly difficult "battle." It was kind of like watching a top rated highschool basketball player face off against an NBA superstar.
@@jonholbrook8821 Chris Wallace was a legitimately good reporter despite his employer and partisan views. Kind of sad to see him leave Fox as he was one of the last semi-contrarian voices. It worries me to see who they'll pick up, they'll will likely carry a lot more explicit bias than Wallace.
@@jackmedlock5888 Fox can’t afford to not go further right because their base is shifting further right. On the other hand, they can’t afford to be Fox as they face the courts over their lies about the companies that supply the voting machines. They fed hate and they will be consumed by it either way.
@@michael1345 hold on now, they’re the main thruster for why the right is becoming more right. If they really wanted to bring them back to reality, they would.
Also worth noting that the networks they’re talking about like CNN and NBC absolutely did adopt the Fox News style partisanship once Trump came along. It’s maybe not as cynical and corrosive but now I can’t blame anyone for having trust issues with these networks. Just stick to Associated Press I guess
And in fact his description of Fox news is corroborated in Fox documents (inc. emails and texts) turned over to the court/lawyers in the Dominion voting suit.
The simple fact that Chris Wallace repeatedly says Fox shows "the other side" is an open admission of Fox conservative bias. There is no "other side" if your business model is to tell the truth. Thank you Chris, for admitting Fox's blatant right-wing bias that they deny day in and day out.
the thing is tho is that saying conersative wouldn't have even been that controversial cause a good chunk of the american population were conservative if not center right. "other side" to me sounds like a lot more far right values being subtly represented in the fox news broadcast but you can't say that cause then that gets too spicy for the general public. the reason fox news is more blatantly fascistic now in terms of rhetoric is because of what trump allowed to seep in to the mainstream political landscape
When Wallace said lets talk about your network and showed the tommy lee clip..I wish Jon had countered with, what's my networks name, and what's yours.
@@uascottcan I ask how old you all are? No disrespect by it. I just want to know where this resurgence of these clips are coming from and wondering if it is the young crowd catching on or just the old heads looking for nostalgia. Genuinely curious.
Stewart called it 10 years ago. “How often do you appear on my show.” Wallace has always been the voice of reason for Fox News. For whatever that’s worth...
@@sebastiansebastian5270 I would take as many wrapped snacks as possible. Btw, Fox always calls him Jon Liebowitz as if he changed his name for hiding his Jewish essence but he actually did not care about his dad who ditched them and took his mom's maiden name, Stewart
He sweats out these things, Jon does, the quintessential nervous wreck political hack comedian that wants to be taken seriously but not out loud, because hiding behind his "comedian" label allows him all of the privilege of a thoroughly biased political commentator without having to actually take ownership of his leftist views.
"Being a comedian is harder than what you do" - this is true. Comedians consider the fullest contexts, and then drive through that process of context to hit on the absurdity of things. It takes a lot of thinking to get there.
I know it's two years later but I so agree with this comment. What presenters like Wallace do is point and direct and tell their viewers what to think. What comedians do is build a mirror and hold it to us and to the system and give us a perspective outside of both that highlights the absurdity of believing that system is for our benefit and believing that we're doing good by empowering certain aspects of that system when it's all the same system.
@@jedinxf7 SAME!! Omg, I love him. I love Trevor too but I could not see him doing this in the world we live in today. Fox is too insane for this shite now
@@grindelo5868 i think he was referring to the laziness of the media's viewers...not to research what they hear on the media. That's what I got from it at least
@@grindelo5868 oh wallace sings a whole different tune now. But I wonder about Stewart. He always seemed to lean to the dems side back in the day, but the dems stood for different things back then. I always thought Stewart's allegiances were to equality, fairness, freedom of speech, the right to disagree. I'm not sure the dems have those same values now, or if they ever did.
chris wallace contradicted himself so much, he said at one point that fox is always fair and balanced and then many times said "we tell the other side of the story", how is that not partisan bias !!??
The whole agenda is making a fairly extreme ideology look like one side of a 50/50 debate. It's like providing a "counterweight" to the fact that smoking tobacco is bad for you. But what about the other side of the argument? Yeah it's a 50/50 debate but the evidence is NOT 50/50. Fox News's schtick is the old tobacco lobbyist disinformation playbook applied to things like climate change and... now, the coronavirus
RossKempOnYourMum01 Exactly. It’s also funny when the right criticizes people like Jon for mainly going after the right but it’s like... that’s where the comedy is though. The right has way more characters and ridiculous people who make ridicule statements. The left has gotten a little crazier in current times with the PC stuff but back around the time of this interview, there was no Herman Cain equivalent on the left. Remember that one conservative who said a raped woman’s body has a way of self-aborting a fetus so there’s no reason for abortion to be legal? How about Texas trying to teach creationism in the science class? How about a character like Alex Jones? There’s just a shit ton more crazy in the right so that’s naturally where the comedy is. So it’s also a fallacy when the right criticizes people like Stewart for not being 50/50 in their satire of both sides as well.
He probably meant they tell both sides of the story, while others would only tell one. To be fair though, Wallace, Shep Smith (before he quit) and Neil Cavuto would be on the left edge of Fox, with Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson on the right edge, so you'd have to listen to different hosts to get both sides of anything. His statement at 10:40 about Chris Wallace being a counterweight to pundits like Hannity seems more true than ever now.
Anyone who tries to go up against Jon Stewart loses. He’s too prepared, smart and too eloquent. And he’s able to channel his emotions into what he’s saying without lowering himself to their shenanigans.
Jon lauds his brother as an academic genius and the reason he chose such a different career path but he's clearly an extremely intelligent man himself. Society would be so well served to recognize and promote all people like him.
But we wont because of the money in politics. It only serves to promote a popularity contest so we had a president in don the con trump that would say before meeting a dictator...'quote, "I hope he likes me and i like him". Jesus christ my fucking kids say that! A comedian said what are they going to do afterwards...FUCK! Please god can we get politics right in america! Its supposed to be a free country but both sides want to tell me what to do and keep us poor!
Wallace: Let me give you another example. Stewart: Ok. *Plays example* Wallace: Well how do you explain that one huh? Stewart: So I thin- Wallace: Let me give you another example.
Exactly, why should Chris or Fox News care so much of what goes on with Comedy central??? They are threatened that people who watch CC will hate Conservatives. Who the hell cares?
12:40 I think he's downplaying the significance of omitting information that would give a different impression, but I'm making this comment 9 years later when the US is considerably more partisan. -and while politifact put Jon in a position where he had to walk back his comment at 15:00 about Fox viewers being consistently the most misinformed, that may have changed too.
Chris Wallace's examples hurt the impact of what he was trying to say greatly and was a stupid move all-around, that being said I don't disagree with his main point at all. Stewart keeps using the word "idealogical" like its an antonym of partisan, when really since he has personal liberal ideologies its the exact same thing. There's a lot of history of the daily show, especially now under Trevor Noah, omitting and misrepresenting interviews and news stories to push a liberal agenda no question. Stewart is so intelligent though that it's basically impossible to catch him slipping up like that and he obviously didn't here.
@HeyMildred Funny how in American, rational is now considered liberal talking points. Oh, how the Republicans have fallen from its past glory and rationality.
It's like working at a job that you know is bullshit all across the board but you're doing your damned hardest to have a high moral compass trying to stave off the bullshit before you just give up because you know you should've jumped ship a long time ago. I could only ever stand to even squint my eyes at Fox if I knew Chris was going to be on, but after he left I knew Fox was truly dead in the water. Glad he left.
Your description accurately narrates my last job that I covered me ass at for 4 years just for them to terminate me without any given reason despite asking multiple times. I was a loud mouth towards advocating change within the company of getting things working more efficiently. The Friday before getting fired on Monday I asked who to report my HR manager to and got the boot
South Park is one of the few shows that goes after liberals AND conservatives - eg the anti gay christian camp and the PC principal characters, both great satire of 2 different perspectives
@@RossKempOnYourMum01 What I respect most about Trey Parker and Matt Stone is they will go after ANYBODY!!! I believe that's why they've stayed on the tube as long as they have.
@@RossKempOnYourMum01 it isn't about liberals and conservatives on South Park. Its about exposing hypocrisy. They really aren't a political show. They just aren't afraid to call people out on their hypocrisy
My dream would be to have Jon and Chris sit down now, October 2020, one month before the craziest election we've ever had, and revisit this very subject.
I don't think Stewart would need to make any new points. Everything he said still holds and rings true today, if anything we're seeing the ruptured organ of Fox News, the tumor they grew that has metastasized. He gave up comedy to go be an activist, that much is true, and he has my respect.
@@goodolarchie I disagree. Chris' argument from the very beginning was that Fox News is a counterweight to the leftward learnings of CNN, ABC and other MSM. I think if his argument wasn't evident 9 years ago, it is clearly evident today. CNN as an example, and even MSNBC, are clearly liberally biased news organizations, just as Fox News is clearly a conservatively biased news organization. The sad thing is that people today still refuse to see it - those who get their news from CNN and Fox News aren't just getting the news, they are getting the narrative. Fox News viewers can accept that, it's been the case for years, but CNN and other MSM viewers on the other hand can't. It's tough to fathom that the "news" they have been consuming all this time has been narrative all along.
@@Cgrowney Well, considering Fox has consistently had more viewers than CNN and MSNBC combined, then wouldn’t that make them the true MSM? The whole thing about the media being left-biased comes from a study done decades ago of news anchors. It wasn’t even about the news content which isn’t even controlled by those anchors. The right has been harping on about those results ever since despite the fact that the very same media outlets those anchors worked for are owned by the wealthy who predominantly vote/support Republicans. Do they give to Dems? Only when those Dems are aligned with their economic policies. The sad thing about the greed of the wealthy is that they can never tell when they’ve won, which is why we have greater inequality today than the French did during their revolution. This country is fucked until something is done about the hoarding of money.
I'm 63 and this is the most monumental debate between very differing ideological perspectives that I have the pleasure to watch. Kudos to both these men
Jon Stewart was so spot-on accurate with every single comment. The only thing Chris Wallace said that I was WISH was correct was saying that Jon had political aspirations. If ONLY that were true! I firmly believe that NO candidate could possibly stand up to Mr. Stewart in any political arena. Jon's breadth and depth of knowledge, coupled with his good humor and real likeability, would make him an unstoppable force that would have a real chance of uniting (some) people that would otherwise never consider working together for the greater good.
Jarred Can it's hard to call something a debate when he's spending so much time trying to cut off Jon's answers. He was asking softer questions, but the intention was to try to deligitimise Jon, even just a bit.
Fox threw their best guy at him, and he was so flustered by about the third minute that he wouldn't let Stewart complete his well-rounded arguments. I don't think Chris Wallace was ready for that, even if he'd been exposed to it already.
Chris Wallace's smugness is really irritating in this interview (attempted hit piece) He comes across as very unintelligent in this compared to Stewart
@joe: He is not only really fast, but he's clearly thought all of these subjects through in great depth. He's not just winging it. He's also a very smart debater. Stewart quickly detected that Wallace's strategy was to overwhelm Stewart with data points and put him on the defensive. And he refused to play along. He insisted upon discussing each data point in depth. I like and respect Chris Wallace, but it was disappointing to see him resort to that kind of "gotcha" approach. That said, I think Wallace knew Stewart would be a handful and that Wallace's only chance was to be hyper-prepared to maintain command of the conversation (which he ultimately failed to do).
I think John Stewart is a genius too - but I don't think he had to rely on any genius to stand his ground here. The key is Stewart understands what he is doing and what his role is in the media. In contrast, main stream news programs don't understand why he is more popular than they are - but that shouldn't be their concern! The problem is the news will always get less ratings than entertainment programming - but no duh, that's cause entertainers are supposed to be entertaining! The news media is supposed be concerned with reporting ACCURATE FACTS and needs to stop worrying about being entertaining - they should leave that bit to professionals like Stewart. The moment the mainstream news media started caring too much about grabbing our attention with gimmicks and sensationalism was the moment we lost our faith in the news. And they wonder why echo chambers exist? Guess they finally learned how to tell a joke.
10:36 "I think that you are here... to bring a credibility and an integrity, to an organization that might not otherwise have it." "I just no longer felt comfortable with the programming at Fox." -- Chris Wallace on why he quit.
Amazing how current Stewart sounds six years after the taping. As commenters have said for years, Wallace did not understand that Stewart clubbed him to death with wit, charm and intelligence.
It's the only thing Faux News does that gives them credibility in anyone's mind anymore. They try to make themselves appear fair and balanced by bringing everyone on, even people who will shred them with the facts. Then they say, "hey look who we had on our show, aren't we so inclusive and open minded?" Even though it's all for show.
I'd really like to have these two sit down for a long-form podcast. Fox obvious gave Wallace a charged statement/premise to work with. I think these two could sit down and have a great talk about their differing opinions on policy.
Tucker Carson, as ridiculously one-sided as his opinions sometimes tend to be, has had respectful disagreement interviews too sometimes. Andrew Yang for example
Civil like Victorian arguments. “Oh so you intend to attack my fields? Very well we shall meet in battle” “Very well then sir. A battle we shall have” in the most calm breath
Jon never said he wasn't a news guy... his point was that it's pathetic that as a satirist he's given credibility in this world because of people's lack of faith and disappointment in news outlets
Jon and The Daily Show attracted my attention in my early 20’s because of witnessing the absurdity happening with the news media and Bush Jrs administration. Jon wasn’t some kind of beacon of ideology to look towards. It was entertaining to consume the chaos happening in government during the time. Colbert’s first sketches are so hilariously good, I’m sad I can’t find them anywhere. Fox always been Fox’n. Jon Stewart is a brilliant man and should be treasured.
This aged well. Wallace reading Stewart's description of FNC as a propaganda delivery is spot on. After 18 years, even Wallace had enough of Tucker Carlson's lies. And wouldn't we all be better off with a 2022 sequel of these two rehashing these arguments? (Obviously, said sequel can not occur at Wallace's former employer.)
The best interviewers ask a good question and listen to the answer. If the question is good one the answer will be long and interesting and won't require interruption.
Chris Wallace: you are trying to be a politician and your "humor" is your way of being an activist. John: I'm a comedian first and I want to be funny more than anything. Yes I have political views and I'm on a network called Comedy Central. Why am I being taken seriously when my main goal is to make people laugh. Chris Wallace: you are on the same network as Southpark. So how can anyone take you seriously. John: 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ thank you for not listening to a word I just said.
I mean, when they showed the CC clip, that proved that the intent of the interview was not to "understand" Stewart. The clip, combined with the condescending "just remember, that's where you work" shows they had always meant to use that segment to attack Stewart. You don't prepare clips like that "on-the-fly". Those things must be done in advance.
Chris Wallace is unbelievably condescending this entire interview. He's trying to tell Stewart that he doesn't know what his own job is, what his own motivations are, like he'd know better than Stewart himself...
John even kept saying "Are you suggesting that we are alike?". John knew what he was doing. Even that stupid ass "I accept your apology." at the end. That was only to make the idiots who watch fox news think they got in the last hit and made him crumble. This behavior is exactly what John is talking about.
And you know what? I think Jon Stewart, despite his protests, IS a political player, not a hugely partisan one, but certainly political. Wallace was right about Stewart's dodge.
@@AceofDlamonds If Jon were a political player, he would relish every opportunity to have political influence, but he rarely makes public appearances. When he does, it’s for the comedy. He’s never given even a hint about running for office.
@Phillip S how sway...? he answered every single one of his questions directly and thoroughly...so how was he avoiding the interview? Again...did you not listen to what he was saying to Chris Wallace...?? They're not on the same plataform. Jon is a comedian first then tries to get some sort of point across...not a theological / ideological point...just another point across as far as how mass media reports things. Why didn't wallace defend as to why a lot of fucks news watchers are some of the most misinformed people? I mean you can go back and forth but remember...the Daily show is on COMEDY CENTRAL man...
Chris thought this would be easy, to belittle Jon here, but,,, nope. Not even close. Btw, to Chris, Obama was one of the best Presidents who got us, once again, out of Bush and Cheney's disaster of a recession.
Boy, did Stewart nail it. Very astute & prescient of him. And Wallace could not be more defensive in this clip. There are mostly definitely “walking orders” at that network.
It's even more true, I would say, now than ever before. Fox points to him and says "we are credible! We have an anchor who asks the hard questions." And then cuts into Wallace's time to give Tucker some more time to spout his right nationist statements.
January 6th, during the insurrection, Laura Ingram floats the lie, live on Fox News, that some storming the Capitol were identified as Antifa. Six months later 75% of Republicans believe Antifa was behind it. There is no equivalent to that level of organized propaganda in the guise of news.
Michael Farrell Even if that's true... its not true now. I think that's why Stewart is essentially gone from the current 2018 political commentary. Because if he were honest, he'd say that in the past two years most liberal-biased media has become FOX News.
right, but the type of fox news viewer you're talking about doesn't like Chris Wallace/Shepherd Smith anyway, they think they are democrats or RINOs. And unfortunately their air time is very small anyways.
@@michaelfarrell4824 "People listen to fox news because of tribalism " and because they lack the capacity to examine and justify the contradictory nature of their own beliefs, it's easier to have somebody spoon feed you.
@@EncourageSquirt funny you say that. i was listening to a British podcast and the host said the main difference between the US and Britain was that the Liberals in the US were the radical Conservatives in the UK. so essentially in the UK Joe Biden would be pushing a Trump like agenda
I love watching Jon Stewart in discussions like this. He has an enormous wealth of knowledge and insight and is clearly brilliant. It would be a thrill to sit down and have a conversation like this with him.
@@glennatkinson9948 A clown by trade with an audience that respects his social commentary. He is also the target of the very Farcical Opinionated Xenophobic noise he was criticizing Aussies say the most poisonous toxic creature in Australia is now in America infecting it with the Ailes that never wain. People that watch no news are better informed than fans of tucker's Farcical Alt-Right Turpitudes aka F.A.R.T.s for short who truly believe his F.A.R.T.s are the common scents they've sought. Murdoch's poison is nonsense but it makes cents for tucker.
What a fantastic exchange between two very brilliant, in my opinion, observers of politics and current events, at times I laughed so hard it hurt. I respect each of them for their integrity and insight…loved this!
And learn from the best at how to wit and genius charm your way out of a narcissist’s banter buttered with: “I just want to know baby. Who are you inside, really?”
Jon: yeah you're great, you're good at your job. Interviewer: yeah well you work on comedy central so people shouldn't take you seriously. Jon: yeah for sure... Interviewer:... Yeah but you have south park on your network... Jon: yeah it's great. Interviewer: *starts short circuiting*
Same thing happened on Crossfire. Jon's line "The lead in to my show is puppets making crank calls. Do you really want to compare your show to mine?" They all try and make Jon into a Newsman doing comedy when he's a comedian doing news.
Interesting that in an interview recently he had to admit that others saw the trajectory that Fox was on before he did and that those people might have thought " ‘Gee, you were a slow learner, Chris.’ ” I wonder if Jon Stewart was one of them.
I don't see why people are giving props to Wallace. He was bush league this entire interview. Changing topics, trying to hurt Jon's image with South Park references, interrupting, I could go on. Pushing that agenda Fox wants. Jon's was too smart for this.
They are giving him props because sometimes, he appears to be objective or ask questions the rest of the Foxbots don't. He's as much a conservative as a douchebag like O'Reilly, but he doesn't breathe fire, so they treat him like he's a moderate. He's just a better behaved douchebag. The only person on Fox News who may be trusted is Shep Smith, and really, for somebody like that to be on the network, for as long as he has been there, he must have dirt on somebody.
The bar is clearly set very low for anyone on Fox, but it is hard for me to see how anyone could watch this and not think that Jon made him look stupid.
I think Jon's answer to when he had last voted for a Republican president blew Chris Wallace out of the water as it showed that Jon is more about integrity than about a political agenda which Wallace just seems incapable of comprehending. I was afraid of how he was going to answer and I was actually pleased that he answered as he did. I have always said that I would vote more for integrity than political positions, although these days the two seem to go ahead in hand. I just changed parties to Republican so I could vote against Trump in our state primary because I feel so powerless and feel the Democrats, in their inability to steer people away from Trump, are showing profound weakness which is deeply disturbing and I have deep dread about this election year.
@@AEON. You are right about 2016, but Jon was citing a study that showed Fox News viewers to be the worst informed about the news. I'm not saying the study was correct, just that it was what Stewart was referring to. This interview predated the 2016 election by 5 years,
Chris: Fox News isn't biased, we are the counter weight to CNN John: So you're the opposite of CNN? Chris: Yes John: So you're biased Chris: I hate you
@@boomerfunnyjimgaffigan4998 It was a joke satirizing Chris Wallace constantly bringing reasons he thinks other networks were liberally biased to counter Jon's point of Fox having a right wing bias with Jon explaining the difference in the bias of Fox and other news channels/papers. In addition Chris also tries to weirdly lump Jon with news channels and at points just randomly criticize him which lends to the joke of him saying to Jon "I hate you"
@J.A. Bristol So is everyone on Fox lmao. Plus fox is the most mainstream of all the media, they had the most viewers for awhile lmao. You're a good sheep.
@J.A. Bristol Your lack of knowledge on this subject is staggering, and it demonstrates that you either have never watched John or simply choose to swallow the slop Fox feeds to you. Stewart was consistently hard on the Obama administration for the things that he thought weren't being handled well, he regularly made a joke of his hatred of CNN (and the other liberal news networks, to a lesser extent), and he was consistent in both critique and celebration for people doing the things that he considers to be "right". So do us all a favor and fuck off with everything you just said, you ignoramus.
He precisely nailed HIMSELF. He's been mired in leftist milieu for decades and of course he just can't understand there's the other side of the story. He is to some extent aware of his own ideology, but doesn't understand the EXTENT of his own ideology - he probably thinks he's close to 'average' - and he probably IS 'average' - in a leftist environment. It's like asking a fish does it think the water is cold. Of course it's not cold to it when it's completely used to it.
Jon: “Your viewers are the most consistently misinformed people” Chris: “yeah but on your network on a completely different program someone made a joke about Tommy Lee’s penis”
If you were a conservative, you would understand. If you have ever seen Good Morning Vietnam, the conservatives are the higher ranking officers. The General is not, he is a classic Republican. He gets the humour.
It's political commentary operating under the guise of "Comedy". If it was straight up comedy, you would see a balanced mix of conservatives and liberals on their program. But you don't.
Many Fox viewers see anyone left of Joe McCarthy as "left wing"? Ronald Reagan would be called a lefty if he were alive today. by Fox's definition, 90% of the country is "left wing".... which really negates the concept of left and right.
conor m And consistently an audience that is: most lied to, least informed, least environmentally conscious, and most likely to die from Covid while also taking the fewest precautions www.snopes.com/ap/2020/09/23/debunked-covid-story-prompts-differing-responses-on-fox-news/ arstechnica.com/science/2011/11/fox-news-successfully-creates-climate-confusion-but-only-among-conservatives/ www.journalism.org/2020/04/01/cable-tv-and-covid-19-how-americans-perceive-the-outbreak-and-view-media-coverage-differ-by-main-news-source/ www.thedailybeast.com/fox-news-apologizes-for-confusing-john-lewis-for-elijah-cummings www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/tv/ct-ent-debunked-coronavirus-story-fox-news-20200922-y7ggqsumtrg5do3qjphv5aj22u-story.html?outputType=amp www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/04/08/five-facts-about-fox-news/?amp=1
