Jonathan Pageau on how Jordan Peterson changed the conversation around religion | The Sacred 

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Hi!!! Congratulations on your discoveries and growth in your faith. I am also beginning my walk with Jesus Christ very recently. I have a dear friend who has been struggling with these issues and constantly wants to stir up conversation around the subject of Christianity. He also is a well educated militant anti theist but clearly his desire to speak about the subject of God is telling as to his desire for relationship with the Lord. He often speaks about evolution disproving creationism and how miracles are found all over different religions. Would you be so kind to assist me in which direction I could potentially walk with him?

@@JayJay2510_ interesting. Ultimately it’s going to have to come from within your friend, as I’m sure you know. Until then, show your friend compassion, respect and patience as he navigates the complicated world. For me, one thing that made me pull away from atheism was that science doesn’t attempt to answer the question “how do I live a good life.” That question is relegated to philosophy, ethics and morality, which each are informed by science, but go beyond science in order to come to meaningful conclusions. The phrase “god is the end of inquiry” really startled me into realizing that all the answers to the questions that science is asked never satisfied me fully. Where did we come from, how does the universe work, why do we age, and how did we get here? Those questions can be asked of science and perhaps even in every case science can produce some kind of answer, but so far those answers have not fulfilled me. Only something like god can do that, as far as I can tell. I am not a christian. At least not yet. I don’t believe the things that qualify me to be a christian, but I believe in the power of the Bible as a symbol, which means I believe in the value of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ as a symbol. Does that make me a christian? I don’t think most Christians would say it does, but it brings me a lot of meaning. You may want to start with your friend by considering the value of the ancient texts - including the Bible, Sanskrit texts, cuneiform texts, and other ancient creation myths etched into stone - from the perspective of early attempts at philosophy. They represent the thousands of years that humans have struggled with these concepts. They’re not just propaganda. We aren’t that sophisticated. Certainly they have been co-opted, abused and misused by corrupt people, but when you read the raw texts, it’s remarkable how relatable and relevant the stories are. And how similar! That’s the best I can tell you. As an atheist, beginning to believe is such a massive step in a new direction that it takes time to get used to yourself. Allow your friend time to realize that his pursuits will not yield the fruits that he’s looking for.

I'm terribly curious: How did Joscha Bach contribute to this conversion of yours? I hadn't heard of him but when I saw your post I looked him up and he may be one of the most materialist (in the philosophical sense) men I've come across in a long time. So I don't understand how he could facilitate a person's conversion to theism. But maybe I haven't watched enough of him.

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Donald Trump has a high lQ - Jordan Peterson

@@johncarroll772 and?

@@lolsing2205 Give them hell- Jordan Peterson. Nothing like Christian love.

@@johncarroll772 you are just all over the place are not you?

@@lolsing2205 does Peterson hang out with a corrupt mass murdering war criminal from the middle east.

Your argument is that we can't be happy without the belief in an imaginary being? Speak for yourself.

The same can be said for Christinity too. We are now all religious from today on. Now what? Religion doesn't really answer that question either....

​@@Thaco69you mean the principle of reality Himself? That's imaginary to you?

@@Thaco69oh yeah we definitely just thought up the belief of an infinite being who does not die and created everything we can perceive and more

@@youlig1. ​​⁠Le principe que vous n’avez pas compris, ce n’est pas d’être religieux qui donne du sens, c’est d’être en communion avec notre Créateur, notre Père. Tant que vous n’aurez pas compris cela, la religion demeurera de la ‘’religion’’ linéaire horizontale, moralisatrice, comme un dessin 2D, comme cet objet ‘Pac-Mam’’ des premiers jeux vidéo, vous irez simplement à droite et à gauche dans une approche « mangeons et buvons, car demain nous mourrons ». Alors que nous sommes appelés à naître de nouveau comme dit Jésus, nous sommes appelés à élever notre esprit sur la voie verticale qu’est cette communion. Il vous appartient de rester comme telle une ovule inféconde qui s’écoule dans le sang, ou une ovule fécondée par La Parole de Dieu, tel que cité dans Jean 1: « Au commencement était la Parole, et la Parole était avec Dieu, et la Parole était Dieu. Elle était au commencement avec Dieu. Toutes choses ont été faites par elle, et rien de ce qui a été fait n'a été fait sans elle. En elle était la vie, et la vie était la lumière des hommes. La lumière luit dans les ténèbres, et les ténèbres ne l'ont point reçue. » C’est ce qui vous enfantera dans cette nouvelle naissance, c’est ce qui vous fera naître au monde du Père. « La terre entière souffre les douleurs de l’enfantement attendant la révélation des fils de Dieu. » Romain 8:19-22

I think I may borrow this quote

Yes probsbly on his youtube channel (pageu or person he’s talking to)

I can't help but think that anyone who is impressed with Jordan Peterson has a serious deficit in critical thinking skills.

​@@Thaco69 the other way around. Your arrogance doesn't imply intelligence, but rather communion with bourgeois ideology.

You got that line from another video.

@@johnnastrom9400nah it’s pretty transparent if you watch the Exodus clips and every time he talks he starts going on about Jung and “you can also look at it psychologically”

He has found a way to communicate these ideas in such a way that someone who is lost in materialism can find them acceptable. For me, he acted as a bridge. I have made the transition to full faith in the transcendent but it never would have occurred without that bridge. Peterson is following the Holy Spirit whether he knows where his inspiration comes from or not. I thank God for that because it saved me.

@@troyhavok8605 That's good to hear, I read few other comments similar to yours about Peterson ie as a bridge to real belief in the living and true God. Im not against what he is doing, I'm just poking a stick at him to perceive more. Anyway you are right, the Holy Spirit is with him. God Bless you.

I agree with you that it is frustrating that he’s still resisting, but his new book on this very topic should come out soon

Have to disagree. Most people outside Orthodox circles don'tknow Jay's work at all. Jordan is far more well-known and influential.

You totally missed the point.

I watched a video recently about Sam Harris and how he basically lies about the Bible. I saw a clip of him completely taking something Jesus said out of context, and if anyone was smart enough to actually check the Bible for themselves, they'd see that he was completely lying.

Sam Harris is intellectually mind numbing to listen too. Alex O on the other hand is thought provoking and stimulating, Alex you can see will eventually write a book similar to Antony Flew on why he became open to God.

think harder for longer. you'll thank yourself later

oh no he said something i dont like

@@lolsing2205 It may be not to your own personal linking. Personal likes and dislikes are simply emotional polarities with no rational basis. Objective facts about Michelangelo's achievements his art and creative ability are second to none all evident and measurable. “Michelangelo’s great perfect marble David cries out to its observer: “You could be more than you are.” - Jordan B. Peterson

@@Michelle-vg5lc there are no objective facts about any art lmao in fact theres no objectivity at all

@@lolsing2205 🙄time waster

sanest anti theist

Says the anonymous troll demon.

@@JordanBPetersonahahahah no wayyyy dr peterson did not think you would respond to him xD

@@JordanBPeterson Really? Honestly, I swear to you, I was about to respond to this with “typical idiotic Peterson fan response” and then decided your comment wasn’t even worth that. Then I noticed the checkmark. Jordan, you know you’re a fraud, right? Deep down, you must know. You must. I honestly think you were a decent, intellectually honest, well-meaning guy once. But something happened. You got a taste of fame. Your legion of dumb frat boy sycophants were intoxicating. And then it all went wrong, didn’t it. Anyway, best of luck with your future projects. PS. “Demon”? Dude. Get a grip. PPS. Can you tell me if the actual human we refer to as Jesus literally was murdered and then resurrected in real actual reality or not yet? I’ve got 40 hours, if you need that long. I’d be happy to give you my number.

@@JordanBPeterson Jordan, would you ever be interested in talking to Jay Dyer? He's an Orthodox Christian Philosopher; he's a very critcal person, but is open to respectful discussions on the topics you like to discuss.