Jonathan Pie: Having a pop at Brexit and Tory voters is 'gross' | ITV News 

They are more than just comedic rants, they are straight to the heart cutting observations of the sheer absudity of what our so called 'leaders' are doing, along with their bare faced corruption. No wonder Pie is angry, Tom is likely just as angry but holding back for this interview.

He makes MSN seem like a parody in which it is compared to Pies rants of truth

Me too. He just gets it

@rrbh I feel the same. I call it 'second-hand catharsis'.

100% agree

49% of a tired generation

He's the voice of whiney, virtue signalling city dwellers that have no idea about the real world.

No 99%

@terryfinch9319 reality and maths missing from your reply.

the voice of half a frustrated, unheard and tired generation.

i think he probably just trawls web comments & repackages what 'we' are saying, then sells it back to us

nonsense

@@johncannon3411 That word doesn't mean what you think it does.

I'm sure whoever gets into power will not be treated any differently. Well they will be treated differently and it makes it harder to do so, but the corruption ineptitude and the intellectual vacuity of these Tories is not something we have seen for a 100 years.

@@jonathanstewart7838 Sadly it's directed by profit and that's all USA based. You can't have power in any country unless the USA agrees to it first. It's getting worse because everything is getting worse. Really, don't expect to much from Labour either. We saw what happened when there was an actual leftwinger, he was smeared to within an inch of his life just for asking for reasonable things. Neo Liberalism doesn't disappear with the tories.

Surely you can't be snobby when in possession of a trailer park mullet?

@@phily8093 well maybe that’s the solution eh? All we need is the entire news team of Channel 4 and the BBC to all get mullets!

@@Lumibear. It's no doubt happening as we speak

@@phily8093 Can’t wait to see it! XD

I've liked this character for years and he's almost the British equivalent to Australian TV show, 'Shaun Micallef's Mad As Hell'. It aired in Australia for just over 10 years and wrapped last year. The only difference between them: 'Mad As Hell' has Shaun Micallef presenting as a frustrated news anchor in studio to a live audience. Recurring actors played "guest speakers" attempting to advocate for each event reported on. But 9/10 they shot their own feet off. I used it to get my filler of weekly news, it was fantastic.

No love for ian hislop then eh

@@dominicparker6124 lots respect for Ian hislop :)

Not much of a switch, to be fair!

Yes, and remember how anti-Thatcher the actual writers were!

Even my parents could see through Blair and they voted Conservative. They hated that emptiness in him. I think they would have rathered Margaret Beckett or John Prescott was Prime Minister.

hmm all the sure-start projects!

​@@lemsip207Perhaps that's why because they were con-servative supporters. Things were as a matter of fact much better under the last Labour government from 1997 up until 2010

I was too young to fully appreciate Spitting Image, but I always liked the idea of the show, and was impressed with the puppets, but after seeing the revival and recalling a few older sketches, I feel that most of it was scatological and vulgar than genuinely witty. The people behind the show seemed to have a childish obsession with faecal matter which makes it difficult to watch. It's a shame and such a waste of a potentially clever premise and some truly inspired puppets.

@@GregOrCreg The Spitting Image scripts weren't great. Take a look at the Not the Nine O'Clock News sketch "Constable Savage". It's over 40 years old but hasn't dated at all.

@@geoffpoole483 Totally agreed that there was/is far better satire than Spitting Image. It's just a shame because SI had the potential to be better in view of the puppets and the fact that it focused on current events.

Also 'Yes Minister' stranger than fiction

@@markrhoden68 I was a bit too young for that, but I've read some of the scripts, and they were indeed very sharp and clever.

It's such a simple thing but impossible to achieve. I genuinely believe if you put someone in a room with their ideological enemy and said 'If you just treat them as a person for 10 minutes everything you want in politics will be achieved', they would be insulting them without 10 seconds because achieving their stated goals isn't actually the goal, it's showing others how virtuous they are.

Sensational 🪮

It screams Duesseldorf 1986. He just needs the bleached jeans to go with it.

That's what happens when you grow out the modern man's haircut. You know the one that looks like you've been locked up in a foreign jail or been conscripted to the army in the past. Long on the top, almost shaved at the sides The Turkish barber look. 🤣

I love how younger folks currently often look like they're cosplaying as extras from 80s episodes of Home and Away.

@@Kettlepip It’s a sign of their desperation.

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

WHY do young people think this a good look? They clearly didn’t live through the trauma the first time round.

@@vickygarnett7623 they weren’t there mannnn, they weren’t there (smokes cigarettes with trembling fingers)… Tbh it’s more whenever the bowl cut comes back that weirds me out.

@@Lumibear. I blame late nineties to early 2000's emo for the Return Of The Bowl Cut

@@vickygarnett7623 You see young people have no authentic culture of their own now that social media has homogenized and commercialized everything, so they are doomed to repeat an endless death loop of past bad taste because they are unable to create anything new.

It was funny. And richly deserved. Shame kids are more interested in brain dead TikTok videos now. :(

I know what you mean, and I dearly hope it does have an effect, but I wonder how effective it actually was in the past. Spitting Image was absolutely scathing of Thatcher, turning her into some weird dehumanized robotic Caligula-type figure by the end, and millions (most with only 4 TV channels and no internet) were glued to it, and laughed it up, but still apparently voted for her, when it came down to it, as long the economy was going well. The recession and the poll tax seemed to be the breaking points, and analysts now say that even 'old Labour' (with Neil Kinnock or, preferably, John Smith) would have got in at that time. Another one of those 'sliding doors' moments...!

The army is already on the street. Uniform consists of a stretched out ear lobes and blue/green hair.

@@jamesthecat They did bring back Spitting Image for a time, but for some reason it ended far too soon. I did notice they we're as biting as he original series, so maybe that's why it never took off?

Ha

Agree, the choice should be between losing a leg or an arm. There should be a 3rd option which allows you to keep both!!!

Reform is only sensible option

​@@JT_Williamswhy?

@@markianrossBecause all sane people hate Labour and the Tories with equal contempt.

What an embarrassment to walk down the street like that ay? The mind boggles.

@@Warbaman Mullet is as Mullet does, champ

Best comment! It's compounded when they have a moustache to boot. The early 80's look is not one I thought would come back.

Lefty? Is he? I’m sure there are plenty of left wing students in Bath, Oxford

@@jakehowie442 Most of the audiences were in their 40s or above.

Absolutely agree. His sledgehammer satire projects the anger and frustration most people are feeling. He's brilliant.

We saw him in Oxford a year or so after the Brexit vote. His support act bombed, very badly, for his apparent Brexit supporting views.

Sadly ruined by an horrendous mullet.

@@user-pm8uc5dc3e Appearance has nothing to do with skill. Also, it's "a mullet". Not "an mullet".

@@nebularain3338 Get an haircut you scruff

@@user-pm8uc5dc3e Let’s not judge a book by its cover - even if the cover is pretty terrible.

Definitely "an" horrendous mullet and a good interviewer/interview.

Or was it the cover of Clinton losing in 2016 that was brilliant...

It was the single best take on it of any commentator - it was exceptionally good.

@@mum2jka No, Clinton was an exceptionally poor candidate who caused her own loss and allowed that lump of orange snot to win. Anyway, what has that got to do with Pie?

@@piccalillipit9211He was spot-on about the dangers of vilifying political opponents and their supporters. A lesson that we sadly haven’t learned, quite the opposite.

@@kaasmeester5903i don’t want to be that guy but I feel like calling Trump voters deplorables is bad but backing this government after it’s failures in literally every metric for the last 14 years is worth the shame. There’s only so long someone can be blind to the truth before there’s no point trying to be nice to them. There’s a difference between disagreement on abortion for example and hard evidence that the government that you’ve voted for has failed on their manifesto to the tune of 80% failure rate and to vote again for them when they don’t have a functioning plan or the ability to generate new ones.

He taps into the visceral rage felt by the true majority against this appalling Tory regime and their awful brexit.

He played Tom Parker Bowles in a made for TV film about Prince William following the death of his mother. His father made him hang out with Camilla's children but they were a bad influence on him.

Very true. I am a Bennite by birth, but have been shunted over to Reform because the Left no longer want people like me anywhere near their 'safe space'. Why do people vote for the Labour-Tory Uniparty - it's because of fear, fear that there's no other option and that no other party can ever win because that's just how it is. Ask any Labour or Tory voter why and, if they don't have a mental breakdown because you asked, they cannot give an honest response - 'the alternative isn't worth considering', 'the Tories are corrupt', 'Labour love paedos' etc. etc. Basically, you have a circular feedback between two opposing factions who actually NEED each other - one is the boogeyman of the other. Of course, there's no reason why Reform UK or Rejoin EU can't be the parties of power - it takes 326 seats won and if either party can do that then they will form the next Government. Reform becoming the party of Government might make some suicidal, but others would welcome it and (same as if Rejoin EU won) it would be a fresh alternative. People have to think back to 2020 and Covid-19 - neither Tories or Labour covered themselves with any glory or dignity with what happened, because Uniparty Neolibs do not give a sh*t about anybody or anything other than themselves. You're poor - f*ck you, your tax is too high - f*ck you, the NHS is failing - f*ck them. What are we going to do? Oh yeah, vote in Labour because Carol Vorderman tells us to. If Rejoin EU become the new party of power, much as I would oppose their Brexit stance, I would be prepared to give them a chance and if they got the economy under control they'd earn my respect for that. However, I can see certain Left facets going more apoplectic that they got elected than if Farage becomes the next PM - 'how dare the Left not vote for the Left which I want... that is sooo offensive!'

Hence why I'm writing to my local MP (yeah I know nothing will probably happen) if there is no electoral reform enacted by the next government. We need proportional representation!

@@alexhando8541 PR - useful but I think FPTP is here to stay. Most people want PR until you point out 'well that could mean giving Reform UK a platform'. Love them or loathe them, their vote is on the up and very few nuanced people would be prepared to say 'I may not like them, but I believe that they should be heard.' It's more like 'no, ban the horrible people who say horrible things I don't like.'

@@user-bv5lc1nf5d proportional systems like STV would not prevent greater representation for radically left or right wing parties, but would still not allow them to getting in to power, as the system favours coalitions instead. Regardless of hypothetical scenarios, Reclaim, Reform and the like would remain fringe parties with only a handful of MPs despite the change in system. They certainly wouldn't be forming any governments, it would be a situation very like Germany at present, but certainly not Germany like in 1936 like a lot of people seem to worry about...

...so more made up characters?

We have enough comedians

More lefties ? Surely we’ve got enough ?!?

More people who refuse to discuss their tax arrangements for money they were given by Russian state propagandists? Is that what we need? Really?

Making an actor president didn't work out half bad for Ukraine. (I'm not so sure about the US in the 80s.)

"This is Colin Baker, the Old Bailey......soaked.....married, with several children....an aching heart......pissed off.....really dreadfully pissed off"

@@Bromley68 spot on! It was a long time ago and actually funnier than I remembered it🤣

@@roberthorwat6747 If I remember, Baker's report had almost no details, he hadn't even been given the names of the defendants, he had obviously been told to stand there in the pouring rain doing an utterly pointless report with no information. I remember all this because my friend's dad worked for ITN and at Xmas parties, they would recite Baker's diatribe in the same way that Monty Python fans can recite whole sketches :)

Agreed, I preferred his impartial stance, I stopped watching when he became clearly biased

Nice nod to norm macdonald.

I dunno. I think sexual assault is pretty bad.

unfortunately the tories arent the worst in uk. we have growing far right parties like reform uk.

@@millennialmale4879 I see reform as a positive thing, because it means we'll get a change in government, even if it is 2024-era Labour.

Isn’t that what happened back in 2016 as well? Trump was a bit of an unknown, politically speaking. While Clinton was the very embodiment of everything that people thought was wrong with politics. I’m no American, but in ‘16 I might have very well voted against Clinton, i.e. for Trump.

I think over here its a rejection of the tory manner of governing that people are rejecting, we can't really vote against any particular candidate because they never last long enough to become the central problem. The last two didn't even win a general election, just a tory party leadership campaign. Its been 14 years now and we are just sick of the constant scandal and lack of actual governing. I think most people just want politics to be boring again, to not have this constant stream of half mad weirdos in charge and the constant scandals.

@@stephenoxfthat’s insane

Perhaps two ? To double the existing stock !

I dont like Starmer - Im not a Corbinite - but Starmer is a slimy greasy standard politician who would sell his mother for power - IMO. BUT - Sunak would sell the COUNTY and is selling the country for personal financial gain - he will make disabled people poorer and more miserable JUST to hang on a bit longer to try and get his India trade deal - he is a terrible human being and there is NO comparison with Starmer. Starmer scored 3/10 but Sunak scores minus several million

My guy, Starmer has been binning promises and running to the Right for years. He got rid of every Labour MP who backed unions, you know the thing Labour was built on. He blackmailed the speaker. Openly. He has openly talked about further austerity measures. He takes cash from a "green energy" company which chops trees in Canada into wood chips and wants to ship them across the Atlantic to burn here as biofuels. He has no intention of bringing in proportional representation. He spent years as a human rights lawyer. Pretends that Israeli war crimes are legal. Basically he has done everything he could to show anyone paying attention that he is another "new labour" Tory in a red tie.

Absolutely correct, they both need more brain cells and then maybe they can be a bit different.

They are both Tories. So there are some similarities...

Now, if only Conservatives weren't demonizing the left for the last fifty years, we'd likely be able to get along. But, being told that "healthcare is a human right" and "We shouldn't pick on minorities" gets them screaming that you're a dirty commie, so, hard to justify treating people nice, when they are dead set on bringing the world back to the rule of kings.

Everybody is a hypocrite to some degree. Have some modesty, you are not special, you are fallible, as is everybody else. The sooner you and everyone else accepts this the better the world will become.

He got this because of his position and it is a tradition that the role holder gets it.

You haven't been reading election results correctly, more than half the country voted against both Tories and Brexit and seen them turn extreme right, then break Britain with delusional policies.

Amazes me as well. I'm not attacking the Tory voters however I have a few of them around me who still think Brexit was good for the country, that the NHS is in difficulties because of immigrants and those desperate boat people and not the politicians they've elected, etc. There's no way to change their minds.

Eh…no. Brexit yes, Tories no. The Tories and Reform combined are about 34% right now, and with Johnson they got 43% of the vote.

That is completely false. The only reason that the Conservatives have been so successful historically, is that the non-Tory vote has always been split, sometimes 3 or 4 ways. The fact that Brexshit voting, GB News watching trash now have a "viable" (!?) alternative in Reform, simply balances things up a bit electorally.

Fireman!

Example please