Jordan and Destiny Agree? Free Exchange Is the Best Solution 

I'm willing to bet that the moment "destiny" went on his own show by himself, he had some "disagreeable" things to say. Things he wouldn't say face to face. I personally find this guy to be a very one sided, selfish individual.

It's a fact how decent adult debate fell to the wayside in society ... how people used to be able to have disagreeable discourse without attacking the other personally or becoming irate But actually have a healthy debate, an exchange of thoughts, ideas etc... rare today...so I enjoyed when this full* talk became a passionate adult* debate

@@helives2630 lmao psych analysis andy much?

@@helives2630 you know what assuming does brother?

​@@helives2630ironic how you are doing the thing that contrasts the comment you are replying to

got me lol! 😂

Very much so.

...and stop letting other men have intercourse with his wife, now ex-wife.

I don't know about his room, but he certainly got his clock cleaned here.

His wife is too busy using the room with other guys. His wife's BF needs to agree.

Do so. It changes you.

Huh? Destiny tried to sound smart but was intellectually bankrupt

WHAT?!?!?

Thanks to Peterson

It went to shit when covid came up. Peterson fully committed to covid conspiracy.

@@reubenmcmurray4377lol “conspiracy”.

​@@reubenmcmurray4377 right, like the fact that the vaccinated could spread it? Or vaccine passports? Or the unvaccinated being variant factories? Or that here in Canada the vaccinated were spreading it more? Or the lab leak theory? Lmao

I love the fact that Destiny can be quiet and respectful. This was a very refreshing conversation with him involved. He usually just tries to overwhelm people but he knows not to try that crap here.

He’s very disagreeable, and he’s a degenerate

After reading this comment I'm not sure if you meant Destiny is only focused on winning or if you meant the opposite 😂

@@manuam98 your 100% correct haha

​@Drogers8675 ?? So which is it. Looks like your last sentence might have a typo or you just switch gears suddenly.

@@ott6428 come on man, Peterson was trying to educate this guy. Peterson for the win.

Thank you for this information.

Would you be willing to extrapolate on what you predict will happen to Norway if nuclear energy is made tenable?

@@TheRealPDizzle Yes. In Norway, the bureaucracy is so extensive and the opposition to nuclear power plants that it will take 15-20 years to be allowed to build something like this. In Norway, we have among the world's largest deposits of thorium. There are fully developed reactors that could have been built. But the opposition to mining is so great that almost nothing is extracted from any of the minerals lying in the ground. The state owns all rights both on the ground and in the air. But we don't need nuclear power plants. The authorities own 90% of the production of electricity from hydropower. They have ensured that almost no investment is made in modernizing or making these power plants more efficient. Tax revenues are more important. Without EVs, we have a surplus of electricity at a production cost of less than 2 cents. We export electricity rather than produce things in Norway.

Self educated. Hes decently well read, and obviously spoken well enough, bro needs to update his facts and opinions

Jp is way smarter.

He's smart but still a dumbass

@@user-hl9fr3ur3iIt isn’t intelligence as must as the efficiency of his approach over a lifetime.

His maturity makes him insufferable. He is the definition of a man child.

It would have been better if Peterson was talking to someone that was more sincere in their pursuit of Truth rather than being eristic.

@@jessequest8575Yeah, he should only talk to people who shares your personal truth. That is called an echo chamber. It is rather funny how peoples critique of a subject, often just tells on themselves.

I think it's good when people are listening (or at least it seemed like he was listening) to what Peterson was saying. The man has too much wisdom to share and I think everyone will benefit a lot by being a good audience.

Heck yeah. Underrated gem. Made me fall in love with spaghetti westerns, as somebody too young to have watched any while growing up.

with johny depp? great movie

It is the single greatest piece of cinema that has ever been created. A masterpiece from beginning to end

You mean The Good The Fear and the Loathing?

So true. Still tho, I skipped this episode

I can't tell if this is just DGG trolling

Actual clown comment.

Destiny thinks he is smarter than everyone else, totally lacks humility. he will never learn anything.

Destiny, like anyone else, is a mixed bag, but he really is willing to have a good faith discussion with people.

WOW $100k donation?

​@@MrSoloTronbro is a company.

Lorraine, I am your density.

Well he's young, but trying. That's very good in my opinion.

Well, it doesn't do any favours that he's on the left. All of their arguments are based on fallacies. Anyway, it's just motion of facts. So he doesn't have much to work with. That said, he's pretty crap. for someone who's supposed to be at the top I think there's a bunch of guys sitting at home behind their keyboard that can talk circles around him.

And Lex is no heavyweight either. There’s a core level of corruption neither will explore. Jordan was slow to it as well but circumstances have forced him to see it and righteously react.

When someone says sure like that they're just affirming that they understood what the person is saying. It's an intellectual way of respecting the other individual in a debate or conversation. You may use sure as "I agree" in regular conversation but that's not how it's used in this context.

​@@jayvbooth So; -" i don't think it is an issue" -"It caused de death of 6 million people" -"I agree" Something like that?

​@@alonsostange1He obviously didn't mean that, come on. Don't be disingenuous.

Too much of many things is a bad thing. I support Jordan with much of his work, but Destiny clearly isn't advocating for a full-on soviet command economy or collectivization. To suggest he is, is as bad as Cathy Newman or any other left wing ideologue claiming Peterson is a Nazi. It's just foolish. Let's be honest. Both Peterson and Destiny are in favour of a mixed economy, but Jordan airs closer towards (but not all the way) Hayekian minimal-state thinking, while Destiny airs more towards a neo-Keynesian view. Peterson doesn't support zero welfare - he's a Psychologist for heaven's sake and so supports the idea of vulnerable people having some free access to a minimum level of state-supported psychological support. Destiny obviously goes further, but he's as much a Stalinist as Jordan is Hitler, which is to say not at all.

I agree with the other commenter. “Sure” is just an acknowledgement here. If Destiny is saying “sure” in the “whatever” sense, he will always say “okay” with an upward inflection, indicating he’s done with arguing and that he thinks it’s a stupid point. He does it only once or twice in this whole interview and does it all the time on stream.

❤😂❤

Do better than being in a personality cult. It's shameful.

@@123Lookatmrlee Its a Meme, Dr. Peterson always "Destroys" people and Destiny is now know as Mr. Borelli because of his participation in a podcast about the Israel X Hamas war. But yeah, I like them both, but in this case, Dr. Peterson was too much for Destiny, but yeah, they do agreed in many things too

@@123Lookatmrleethe full length podcast was basically just Destiny reciting off fake news headlines and talking points he’s read online and then being debunked by JP, followed by some word salad. At one point he claimed that literally no one ever claimed that the C19 vaccines would prevent transmission of Covid

As per usual with a lot of well meaning lost folks, they understand the symptoms but prescribe the wrong antidotes

@@jgt07 Not that hes "lost", his life is very much ok. But I think hes just cannot let go of some leftists tropes and "baseline" hate for the other spectrum. He automatically put Jordan in a "dislike" list and so he tries to argue even when they agree just to show to others that "hes lefty". Idk, just seems like it

To be fair, Mr. Botticelli was decently charitable throughout the convo

Wow. Does the world look brighter to you because of Destiny? Wow. Humans are useless great job forcing one into the world.

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Mozart Symphony #41 in C major

Almost all of the "problems" with capitalism are a direct result of government. Sure, you probably need some basic safety requirements... But outside of workplace safety, the government should have very little say. Most monopolies aren't the inevitable result of capitalism, but of artificial government barriers to entry.

@@JustADudeGamer i agree... Which is why the government should have as little power as possible. You can't be corrupt without the power to do so.

@@JustADudeGamer I really almost entirely agree with you. I think we are probably beyond fixing. The biggest problem is that we've built a house of cards on fake fiat currency and an economy built around debt. Should have never happened... But that baby is born. The only way to fix it, is to let it crumble, which is inevitable. But will be apocalyptic.

The government protects a free market. You didn't know that?

@@trevineleven LOL!

@@trevinelevenmaybe decades ago

@@petewick8627 That's a moronic fantastical statement. You're not living in socialism, dude.

You don’t know much about Steven lol 😂 that is NOT what he is about at all. He’s a social democrat NOT a leftist or commie

It includes post-income tax like GST, PST, carbon tax etc.

The war is on perception and consciousness itself. The jabs were a huge part of lowering peoples defences. They just do what they want now with impunity.

He is not an idiot, he is however an ideologically blinded fool.

He's actually literally one of the most good faith people in the public intellectual space

capitalism is for sure the best system. like you said it has created more wealth for the entirety of their civilization than they often had in the hundreds of years prior to that. BUT. no one in this argument is arguing for the dismantling of that system. the only difference of opinion is how much the "economic freedom" should be unhinged or controled. Capitalism under Roosevelt is not the same as under Reagan. The basic system is still the same though. And under every possible metric you can see that the best capitalism was the one that was there with Roosevelt and not the one that has been pushed by Reagan that is throwing alot of the population to have a level if welbeing comparable to the beggining of the industrial revolution.

@@ricardofurtado6358 I agree, and I wasn't trying to argue in favor of pure capitalism. I actually see benefit in state intervention in specific areas - particularly in those that most would deem too valuable of a public good to let them be run by private companies - i.e. the big 4 I always say MUST be in the hands of the public are: Education, Healthcare, Transportation, and Utilities i.e. power production, water, gas, oil... The reason why this debate upsets me so much, is because every single time there is one side that argues for MORE state intervention. Like it always only goes into one direction. The only country in the entire world that I can think of where they are actually going back on state intervention at the moment is Argentina. Everywhere else the state interferes more and more. And I personally believe that especially in the West, we have already gone way past healthy levels of state intervention to the point where we are now so far away from the core principals of a free market economy, that I struggle to even call it that. I mean I can literally not think of a single activitiy in my private life where the state isn't somehow involved. I cannot buy what I want, I cannot use my property how I want, I cannot even SPEAK how I want, etc. It pisses me off that there are STILL so many people who think we should give the state even MORE control. At what point will this society completely collapse? My parents and grandparents grew up in socialist economies and it saddens me whenever they talk about how much they feel more and more reminded of those times... We are in the process of crippling our economic system to the point where it may not be repairable - yet we have people arguing for more and more control. Not necessarily in this debate and between those two, but overall this is how the discussion often goes.

Christ JP supports can’t think out of the strawman leftist they invent for themselves. Destiny LITERALLY calls himself a capitalist and believes in free market ideas, he simply also believes in government institutions and programs that have been proven to work time and time again in capitalist counties.

Agreed and well-written. And people with low incomes have opportunities to move up in a capitalist system and become wealthier.

What’s funny is that anyone that had actually read Marx would agree with you. Theoretically a communist revolution is supposed to occur once everything has been built by the capitalist economy. Socialist countries try to skip this step and usually starve the country in a hasty attempt at industrialization. So in a way those advocating socialism are doing it incorrectly as well in addition to being terrible economic planners

Taxation. Do you live in a command economy rn? Your wealth is being redistributed to social security every paycheck. They took from the Kulaks because they were stronger than them and wanted to curb their ability to rise against them just like how the British tried to wipe out the Irish during the potato famine by forcibly exporting wheat from Ireland to England for sale.

@@badart3204 So all they did was tax the kulaks???

It was his online handle when he started his career at 12

lol

Your use of love and hate here says a lot about you.

I could not possible disagree more. He has become far less incisive and far more ideological.

He's talked about this at great length, actually written manifestos on it. The problems in the Soviet Union, Maoist China and so on . . . . they had more to do with total centralized and artifical (governmental) takeover of not only the means of production but the entire productive apparatus. This isn't 'redistribution' it's total control, takeover, there are not any disparate entities vying for power or competing in any organic way. Destiny supports an organic free market but believes that the inevitability of asymmetrical winnings lends itself to some POST-production redistribution. So under Destiny's view, we're not overhauling or corrupting the freely-producing apparatus, we're just taking the wealth of the results (the products themselves) and redistributing them to help the marginalized or to compensate for negative externalities. Peterson's argument is that 'redistribution' was what was taking place when farmland (means of production) was taken from the wealthy (efficient) farmers and given to poor farmers who had no idea what they were doing. There is definitely an argument to be made here as well, but it only captures a part of the Stalinist ideology. It's what Destiny was calling a 'command' economy, and he was agreeing with Peterson that it's not organic. But a command economy is 'redistributing' the apparatus itself, whereas Destiny's model is redistributing the wealth it produces. One takes freedom completely away, removes the right to private property. The other doesn't.

That's plain and simple common sense.

Until there is nothing left to redistribute

That does really matter it matter more with what your country has and how will it have an exchange with other countries and generally if you have a communist you most likely have no currency since everything is distributed but when engaging in international trade generally they want money involved and that really only works well in a capitalist country.

Peterson has been doing this for the last 4 years. I cant stand it. Used to be my favorite thing to listen to but now he just blabbers without thinking.

Right? And how on earth do you get redistribution without giving the government command to do so???